S18.E.14: High Tea & High Tension

[FozzyBear]

Shannon has Dr Moon practically on retainer but she’s a 60 year old woman who hasn’t had a mammogram in 10 years? What. The. Actual. Fuck. She had created her own misery through her own bad decisions.

Also Shannon running away from dinner because she “confided in a friend” and now she’s betrayed? Oh fuck off. You talked to Heather on camera to present John as an uncaring shit. I believe John is an uncaring shit, but that wasn’t a private conversation. That was propaganda. It may have been true propaganda but stop acting like you didn’t do that on camera on purpose! I know I’m alone on my island over here but sometimes I really can’t with Shannon’s bullshit. I’ve even found her more sympathetic this season than I normally do, but..come on! You are on a reality show Shannon and you came to play. That’s fine, but don’t act like you don’t know it.

And can someone please tell me how Shannon sent John pictures of her injured face that night if the damn night went off the rails because she lost her phone? Nothing Shannon has said about that night makes a lick of sense.

Edited October 20 by FozzyBear

[Slakkie]

10 hours ago, la patineuse said:

And why did Heather address Kate Middleton first as "Duchess?" While she is a Duchess as well, isn't it more appropriate to address her as the (HRH) Princess of Wales (the higher rank)?

And neither is correct.  She is Her Royal Highness, Catherine the Princess of Wales.  She is not Princess Kate, she would be Princess William technically.  Same as Meghan, Duchess of Sussex or even Princess Michael of Kent.  Unless you are a blood Princess you and your name are not attached to Princess as it is through the husband.

Sorry Fancy Pants you are as uninformed as the rest.  And Catherine would not go to a shop in the middle of London to pop in for candy, she would have an assistant pop in to grab some.  You have a better chance of running into her at the local grocery store in Windsor

[CasseroleQueen]

On 10/16/2024 at 4:06 PM, ZettaK said:

John Janssen said on the last episode (he appeared in a confessional with Alexis) that he sued because the statute of limitations would be over in a few days, and there was no agreement yet. Shannon already said that she paid for half of the duration of their relationship in the middle of the season, from saying for a long time that she paid for everything for four years. He didn’t want to sign a non disparagement agreement because she has a platform (the show), on top of her social media, well, to disparage him. She could have said something mild, like "I overexaggerated" since she was there half way already.  

The funny thing is, if he had accepted her offer to pay him back she might stop talking about him because it would be over. But he wants to drag this out for some reason. He likes to hear his name on tv?

On 10/16/2024 at 5:30 PM, ZettaK said:

The behavior of a woman who drives drunk and crashes into a house, then pulls away and drives her car a few houses away, gets out and pretends to walk her dog, claims this was a one time thing (driving drunk) in her first scene this season, and continues drinking on the show is better than somebody's who calls her out for drinking on the show, and even appearing hungover in Sonoma? 

And she would have driven away if she could

[CasseroleQueen]

On 10/18/2024 at 3:06 PM, ZettaK said:

It's the second time she is showing on tv "receipts" of what she paid for during the relationship. What kind of a relationship was it that she was writing down, and keeping receipts of what she paid for? She also said openly on the latest episode that her expenses for the first year of the relationship were equal to what the loan was.

Nothing beats true love like keeping a running tally on who spent want on whom. Did she subtract the stuff he paid for? Who am I kidding? This is Shannon

 

[RoseAllDay]

Gina, just stop with the stupid British accent already. Please. 

…and find a new outfit that doesn’t look like silver-plated denim overalls.

These trips always make me embarrassed to be an American. Note to world: Not all of us are this gross.

Edited October 20 by RoseAllDay

[RoseAllDay]

I have to say, I feel for Heather. I wonder if they recommended genetic testing to determine what course she could take, rather than just basing the percentage on her family history. I wonder when they recommend a prophyactic mastectomy? What percentage of risk indicates that?

I can’t imagine that hanging over my head.

[Cosmocrush]

8 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Also Shannon running away from dinner because she “confided in a friend” and now she’s betrayed? Oh fuck off. You talked to Heather on camera to present John as an uncaring shit. I believe John is an uncaring shit, but that wasn’t a private conversation. That was propaganda. It may have been true propaganda but stop acting like you didn’t do that on camera on purpose! I know I’m alone on my island over here but sometimes I really can’t with Shannon’s bullshit. I’ve even found her more sympathetic this season than I normally do, but..come on! You are on a reality show Shannon and you came to play. That’s fine, but don’t act like you don’t know it.

Good point @FozzyBear.  They do this all the time- pretend conversations on camera are private.   The dramatic leaving is something Tamra and Shannon have in common, although I don't think Shannon has ever stomped off into a hedge. 

[RoseAllDay]

12 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Shannon has Dr Moon practically on retainer but she’s a 60 year old woman who hasn’t had a mammogram in 10 years? What. The. Actual. Fuck. She had created her own misery through her own bad decisions.

Also Shannon running away from dinner because she “confided in a friend” and now she’s betrayed? Oh fuck off. You talked to Heather on camera to present John as an uncaring shit. I believe John is an uncaring shit, but that wasn’t a private conversation. That was propaganda. It may have been true propaganda but stop acting like you didn’t do that on camera on purpose! I know I’m alone on my island over here but sometimes I really can’t with Shannon’s bullshit. I’ve even found her more sympathetic this season than I normally do, but..come on! You are on a reality show Shannon and you came to play. That’s fine, but don’t act like you don’t know it.

And can someone please tell me how Shannon sent John pictures of her injured face that night if the damn night went off the rails because she lost her phone? Nothing Shannon has said about that night makes a lick of sense.

IKR? I was about five months late with mine this year, and I was stressed out. (Went back and forth on it because of contradictory guidelines, but decided to go ahead and do it.) When I mentioned it to the tech, she was, “Meh.” So maybe Shannon isn’t necessarily the exception. Both she and Jenn were damn lucky. It wasn’t like it was a case of not being able to afford it, or having no insurance. It’s stressful as fuck, yes, but I have peace of mind for the next year.

Lawsuit aside, Shannon is just a hot mess. Always has been.

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/12/2024 at 10:11 AM, Juneau Gal said:

’m around the age of these women, the older ones, and for the life of me I cannot think of a time I have ever screamed at, viciously confronted anyone, let alone a supposed friend. This behavior is beyond my ability to comprehend. 

I've thought the same thing. I've had disagreements with friends, but I've never behaved the way these women do. Is it strictly for the cameras? Are they encouraged to "bring it" by the producers? Because if I acted like this with one of my friends, I expect she would never speak to me again. 

[Palimelon]

Yeah but you have to remember, other than maybe Gina and Emily, these women are co-workers, not real friends. And while most of us would never behave this way with co-workers either, part of their job these days is to "bring it" to secure that contract for next year.

[Chalby]

On 10/11/2024 at 2:22 PM, Natalie68 said:

I don't mean this to sound mean, but sympathy is for victims.  Not victims of their own actions. IF her alcohol problem had not been known since 2014 and had not been a constant theme, maybe some sympathy (itty bitty amount).

I understand what Palimelon is saying. We all know Shannon isn't a victim or someone who deserves our sympathy.

But by Bravo bringing Alexis and John on, their BS timed threats of videos for owed money, etc opened the door to "viewer sympathy" (especially for many who may not follow as closely as we snarkers do).

[FozzyBear]

23 hours ago, CasseroleQueen said:

The funny thing is, if he had accepted her offer to pay him back she might stop talking about him because it would be over. But he wants to drag this out for some reason. He likes to hear his name on tv?

Maybe. However Shannon hasn’t really shown a great ability to stop talking about things. She generally can’t help herself from harping on the ways she feels she’s been wronged.

[la patineuse]

18 hours ago, Chalby said:

I understand what Palimelon is saying. We all know Shannon isn't a victim or someone who deserves our sympathy.

But by Bravo bringing Alexis and John on, their BS timed threats of videos for owed money, etc opened the door to "viewer sympathy" (especially for many who may not follow as closely as we snarkers do).

I think Bravo and Andy Cohen miscalculated with this storyline. It might have been one thing for making Shannon's DUI a primary storyline and making her address and take accountability for her actions, but they really piled on her by bringing Alexis back on knowing she was in a relationship with John Janssen, the past bad blood with the Jim Bellino lawsuit, and it wouldn't surprise me if they knew of the possibility of a new lawsuit. Alexis (and John) also miscalculated and she came in hot after Shannon and didn't let up. Given the drama she brought to Shannon, and what almost feels like a setup by Bravo's PTB, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought Alexis back next season even though she's overwhelming disliked by most of the RHOC audience this season.

Edited October 21 by la patineuse

[Cosmocrush]

34 minutes ago, la patineuse said:

...Given the drama she brought to Shannon, and what almost feels like a setup by Bravo's PTB, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought Alexis back next season even though she's overwhelming disliked by most of the RHOC audience this season.

The sliver lining for me is that Jansen the Jerk thought having  his dumbdumb girlfriend bully Shannon would "make him look like a good guy".   I've never thought he was a good guy but all this did imo, is remind viewers what a dick he can be to Shannon and make himself look terrible.   I would not be a bit surprised if this was the sole reason he started dating Alexis.  I'm sure getting back on the show was Alexis motivation to hook up with JJ.  True love.  *snort*

[Dr Mama]

2 hours ago, la patineuse said:

Given the drama she brought to Shannon, and what almost feels like a setup by Bravo's PTB, it wouldn't surprise me if they brought Alexis back next season even though she's overwhelming disliked by most of the RHOC audience this season.

Oh, I hope not! Between Alexis and Tamra, RHOC is painful to watch this season.

[ZettaK]

On 10/19/2024 at 12:37 PM, Cosmocrush said:

Those scraps of paper, lol, didn't look like she was keeping track in real time.  More like @Dr Mama said, she most likely went through credit card statements when Jansen retained an attorney to get the money back.  But even then it doesn't seem like it was really about the money since she offered a settlement.  Anyone who's retained an attorney knows those fees often out pace the actual amount in dispute.

And speaking of her "receipts"  Shannon may be 60 but keeping track of stuff on crumpled notepad paper makes her look 90.  I laughed as hard as Emily when she pulled them out. 

 

She was keeping track in real time with the little pieces of paper because she wouldn't remember later on what the charges were on a cc statement, or if she paid cash for something.

[RoseAllDay]

On 10/21/2024 at 9:53 PM, Dr Mama said:

Oh, I hope not! Between Alexis and Tamra, RHOC is painful to watch this season.

So agree. I have really lost interest in this show. I catch it as I can on Peacock, and TBF, it’s not must-see TV for me anymore.

Andy’s fixation on thinking that bad, unlikeable people make for good entertainment is really killing his franchises. Nobody wants that shoved down their throat every. single. season. (At least I don’t.) At least drop the “Real” from the title. This show hasn’t been “real” since Season 1, but it’s been somewhat amusing at times to watch people make utter jackasses out of themselves.

If that (insert whatever adjective you want here) Tamra comes back, I’m definitely out.

[Dr Mama]

11 hours ago, ZettaK said:

She was keeping track in real time with the little pieces of paper because she wouldn't remember later on what the charges were on a cc statement, or if she paid cash for something.

I seriously doubt she was making notes on pieces of paper in real time.

I think it would be pretty easy for me to remember whether or not I brought my boyfriend along with me on a trip I took--and you can't pay cash for that.

I find it very plausible that she paid for a lot of stuff while they were dating--and it could have been stuff he didn't really care much about (trips, dinners out) but that she was willing to pay for both of them, so HE did not see that spending as "gifts" to him. And maybe she didn't even see it that way at the time, but when he asked her to sign a promissory note, she started thinking about all the money she had spent on him over the years they were dating--even, again, if HE saw that spending as stuff she just spent because SHE wanted to spend it, he didn't ask for it. And THAT'S when she started adding it all up.

Edited October 23 by Dr Mama

[Dr Mama]

4 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

Andy’s fixation on thinking that bad, unlikeable people make for good entertainment is really killing his franchises. Nobody wants that shoved down their throat every. single. season. (At least I don’t.) At least drop the “Real” from the title. This show hasn’t been “real” since Season 1, but it’s been somewhat amusing at times to watch people make utter jackasses out of themselves.

I think I'd actually love the show if it was more on the "real" and they found interesting, funny, rich women and just followed more of their real lives--the fancy houses, great events, shopping, travel, etc.

Like, I think I would watch a show that was a condensed view of the everyday life of Jenna or Racquel [NYC] or Sutton and Garcelle [BH] or Kathy Hilton and Crystal Minkoff.

But even a revamp of the RH format with more on the "real" would be way more interesting to me.

[RealHousewife]

5 minutes ago, Dr Mama said:

I seriously doubt she was making notes on pieces of paper in real time.

I think it would be pretty easy for me to remember whether or not I brought my boyfriend along with me on a trip I took--and you can't pay cash for that.

I find it very plausible that she paid for a lot of stuff while they were dating--and it could have been stuff he didn't really care much about (trips, dinners out) but that she was willing to pay for both of them, so HE did not see that spending as "gifts" to him. And maybe she didn't even see it that way at the time, but when he asked her to sign a promissory note, she started thinking about all the money she had spent on him over the years they were dating--even, again, if HE saw that spending as stuff she just spent because SHE wanted to spend it, he didn't ask for it.

I don’t know much about John, but Shannon grew up rich, married a man who made a lot of money, and then lucked out with her Housewife gig. I think she’s someone accustomed to living a lavish lifestyle, and she can’t wrap her head around people watching how much money they spend on food, trips, plastic surgery, etc. I’ve known Shannon types. They can be sweet, but they will deem people as cheap simply for being responsible with money. God knows how much she’s spent on Dr. Moon alone. 

If John was truly this cheapskate she treated the entire time, Shannon shouldn’t have stayed with him so long. Most people would feel taken advantage of and leave. And if he didn’t also treat her to fancy meals and things, why on earth would she expect sudden generosity of $75,000 or whatever? None of it adds up, even with her receipts. 

I still think Alexis is a bully and John also says and does things that are contradictory, but there is reason to believe him about that money being a loan. 

[Mindthinkr]

5 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

God knows how much she’s spent on Dr. Moon alone. 

He probably made enough off of her to put one of his kids through college. (Not that I actually know if he has children, but that’s what my brother and I joke about my dentist. That we paid for one of her 5 kid’s education. At least I have something to show for it. All I see in Shannon is some hypochondria and how he placates those feelings in her.) 

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Dr Mama said:

I seriously doubt she was making notes on pieces of paper in real time.

I think it would be pretty easy for me to remember whether or not I brought my boyfriend along with me on a trip I took--and you can't pay cash for that.

I find it very plausible that she paid for a lot of stuff while they were dating--and it could have been stuff he didn't really care much about (trips, dinners out) but that she was willing to pay for both of them, so HE did not see that spending as "gifts" to him. And maybe she didn't even see it that way at the time, but when he asked her to sign a promissory note, she started thinking about all the money she had spent on him over the years they were dating--even, again, if HE saw that spending as stuff she just spent because SHE wanted to spend it, he didn't ask for it. And THAT'S when she started adding it all up.

It sounded to me that she was staying up late at night after the lawsuit announcement scribbling all the things she paid for during the relationship.  Not that she had done it at the time.  

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, Dr Mama said:

I think I'd actually love the show if it was more on the "real" and they found interesting, funny, rich women and just followed more of their real lives--the fancy houses, great events, shopping, travel, etc.

Like, I think I would watch a show that was a condensed view of the everyday life of Jenna or Racquel [NYC] or Sutton and Garcelle [BH] or Kathy Hilton and Crystal Minkoff.

But even a revamp of the RH format with more on the "real" would be way more interesting to me.

That's how the RHOOC started;  rich women who specifically lived behind the gates at Coto de Caza (private gated community in OC) and basically followed them around.  The common threads were neighbors.  The outlier was Lauri who worked for Vicki, who sold insurance out of her home office and lived in her Cat Crap Condo outside the gates. 

But within a few years RH left, moved, fired or whatever and Tamra entered.  She was cast as a suburban hw and lived in Ladera Ranch.  From the get go she put everything on camera, including her failing marriage.  Before long she was buddies with Vicki and attacking Gretchen for her gold digging relationship with a dying older man.  So yeah, I'd say the fights started with Tamra. 

I'm not sure when BRAVO started putting the HWs in forced situations but RHONY started out that way.  

I am seriously embarrassed I know all this crap.  I've never re-watched an episode but I have seen every one within a day it aired.  And of course being on TWOP and then Primetimer made it fun.  Still does. 

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, Dr Mama said:

I think I'd actually love the show if it was more on the "real" and they found interesting, funny, rich women and just followed more of their real lives--the fancy houses, great events, shopping, travel, etc.

Like, I think I would watch a show that was a condensed view of the everyday life of Jenna or Racquel [NYC] or Sutton and Garcelle [BH] or Kathy Hilton and Crystal Minkoff.

But even a revamp of the RH format with more on the "real" would be way more interesting to me.

Season 1 had a lot of relatable storylines — Jeana and her kids, Vicki with hers, and Kimberly’s cancer scare. Even Slade and Jo didn’t look fake. No fancy trips that they just decide to take. Hell, IIRC, their reunion was filmed around Vicki’s fire pit, no Andy to stir the pot and no couch politics.

IMO, the beginning of the end started with Tamra and her outrageousness, and she’s been on full tilt ever since. Such a bad influence.

(But I hate Tamra, so I might be biased…)

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, Dr Mama said:

I seriously doubt she was making notes on pieces of paper in real time.

I think it would be pretty easy for me to remember whether or not I brought my boyfriend along with me on a trip I took--and you can't pay cash for that.

I find it very plausible that she paid for a lot of stuff while they were dating--and it could have been stuff he didn't really care much about (trips, dinners out) but that she was willing to pay for both of them, so HE did not see that spending as "gifts" to him. And maybe she didn't even see it that way at the time, but when he asked her to sign a promissory note, she started thinking about all the money she had spent on him over the years they were dating--even, again, if HE saw that spending as stuff she just spent because SHE wanted to spend it, he didn't ask for it. And THAT'S when she started adding it all up.

I don’t think Shannon is that organized. She was probably trying to reconstruct the ledger way after the fact.

[Salacious Kitty]

Tamrat has fans? 🤔

[ZettaK]

5 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

That's how the RHOOC started;  rich women who specifically lived behind the gates at Coto de Caza (private gated community in OC) and basically followed them around.  The common threads were neighbors.  The outlier was Lauri who worked for Vicki, who sold insurance out of her home office and lived in her Cat Crap Condo outside the gates. 

But within a few years RH left, moved, fired or whatever and Tamra entered.  She was cast as a suburban hw and lived in Ladera Ranch.  From the get go she put everything on camera, including her failing marriage.  Before long she was buddies with Vicki and attacking Gretchen for her gold digging relationship with a dying older man.  So yeah, I'd say the fights started with Tamra. 

I'm not sure when BRAVO started putting the HWs in forced situations but RHONY started out that way.  

I am seriously embarrassed I know all this crap.  I've never re-watched an episode but I have seen every one within a day it aired.  And of course being on TWOP and then Primetimer made it fun.  Still does. 

The first falling out was when Vicki was furious at Jeana, her friend, and neighbor for not selling her second, investment house in Coto fast enough. 

Gretchen was the first cast member who was in a very obvious gold digging relationship while dating another guy on the down low (although it seems the women saw her in bars, and restaurants with the guy). The fiance was a lot older (about 25 years) and sick. George Peterson, Laurie's husband was a couple of years younger than her, and Slade was older than Jo, but not so much older, and she was attracted to him. 

Edited October 24 by ZettaK

[Dr Mama]

11 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

I don’t think Shannon is that organized. She was probably trying to reconstruct the ledger way after the fact.

I agree—I was responding to someone who said she was keeping notes as she spent the money. I think the paper notes came after either the promissory note request or the lawsuit.

[RoseAllDay]

16 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

He probably made enough off of her to put one of his kids through college. (Not that I actually know if he has children, but that’s what my brother and I joke about my dentist. That we paid for one of her 5 kid’s education. At least I have something to show for it. All I see in Shannon is some hypochondria and how he placates those feelings in her.) 

This is why her not getting a mammogram in 10 years floors me. She’s all in with the woo-woo stuff, but ignores established medical science. I still say she was extremely lucky, especially with dense breasts, and I’m sure she chalks it up to Dr. Moon’s medicine show. I hate the things as much as the next woman, but compared to the alternative…

(I don’t know if I’d brag about having dense breasts. They can make routine mammograms harder to evaluate.)

[Salacious Kitty]

I wonder if Shannon hasn't had insurance since the divorce. Her kids in college need to be covered, but maybe she's been hedging her bets for herself, depending on the woo of Dr. Moon? 

[Cosmocrush]

33 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I wonder if Shannon hasn't had insurance since the divorce. Her kids in college need to be covered, but maybe she's been hedging her bets for herself, depending on the woo of Dr. Moon? 

Maybe.  I do think that the longer a woman goes without a mammogram the scarier it becomes, because now it's been______ years.  Good on Heather for getting everyone to go.  But I don't know why she thought this group actually cares about her, the way actual friends care about someone.   Heather has never been a real friend to anyone in this group and vice versa. 

[FozzyBear]

3 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I wonder if Shannon hasn't had insurance since the divorce. Her kids in college need to be covered, but maybe she's been hedging her bets for herself, depending on the woo of Dr. Moon? 

I guess anything is possible but Covered California has a lot of plans available and a yearly mammogram should be included in the wellness portion of even the cheapest plan.

i think a more likely scenario is that the mammogram gives her anxiety so she avoids them. That or she read some BS article about the how they actually give you cancer. 

Edited October 24 by FozzyBear

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Maybe.  I do think that the longer a woman goes without a mammogram the scarier it becomes, because now it's been______ years.  Good on Heather for getting everyone to go.  But I don't know why she thought this group actually cares about her, the way actual friends care about someone.   Heather has never been a real friend to anyone in this group and vice versa. 

Because she was wanting to be the center of attention and tell her tale of woe? Sorry if that sounds harsh, but if it had been anyone else she would have sympathized for five seconds, and then said, “Next…let’s move on.” I’m sure the reaction would have been different, though, had they found something.

Which brings me to this: I wish I could get same-day results with my mammograms. I have to sweat out a possible phone call (which I’ve gotten) for three days, and then wait on the all-clear letter. I find that a bit cruel, but then I don’t handle anything medical particularly well anyway.

2 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

I guess anything is possible but Covered California has a lot of plans available and a yearly mammogram should be included in the wellness portion of even the cheapest plan.

i think a more likely scenario is that the mammogram gives her anxiety so she avoids them. That or she was some BS article about the how they actually give you cancer. 

I bet it’s this, as phobic as she is about toxins.

[FozzyBear]

46 minutes ago, RoseAllDay said:

Because she was wanting to be the center of attention and tell her tale of woe? Sorry if that sounds harsh, but if it had been anyone else she would have sympathized for five seconds, and then said, “Next…let’s move on.” I’m sure the reaction would have been different, though, had they found something.

Which brings me to this: I wish I could get same-day results with my mammograms. I have to sweat out a possible phone call (which I’ve gotten) for three days, and then wait on the all-clear letter. I find that a bit cruel, but then I don’t handle anything medical particularly well anyway.

I bet it’s this, as phobic as she is about toxins.

Oh I’m not sympathetic. I’m with you. Shannon creates her own misery through bad decisions and then starts in on her “woe is me” routine. If it was because she couldn’t afford insurance (which I doubt) then why is she taking John on expensive trips instead of buying even a basic health plan? If it’s for other reasons why isn’t she addressing those reasons? And can you imagine if Shannon had gotten the news Heather did? Lord help us. The crying would never end. 

I’ve never liked John (always thought there was something off about him) and Alexis is being terrible. But I can’t say I’m exactly sympathetic to Shannon. I find her to be just a manipulative with her constant helpless Shannon routine. How many years are people expected to feel sorry for Shannon before she just starts making better decisions?

[ZettaK]

The lawsuit was filed in April 2024, and they broke up in November 2022. They were together for four years according to Shannon. The promissory note was sent in the beginning of 2022, just after the first loan. There is no way Shannon remembered, even if she looked at cc statements what she spent, and where exactly. She would also write down everything she remembered in one piece of paper, not a whole stack of notes. She wrote the notes in real time. 

[Cosmocrush]

How interesting that he waited TWO YEARS to file a lawsuit.  I'm sure it was just a coincidence that it was after he started dating Alexis, who coincidentally was getting back on the show.  What a dirtbag. 

[ZettaK]

7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I wonder if Shannon hasn't had insurance since the divorce. Her kids in college need to be covered, but maybe she's been hedging her bets for herself, depending on the woo of Dr. Moon? 

There are relatively inexpensive insurance plans (or at least not expensive). My husband had one for both of us for a few years when he was a contractor for a company and was not covered. She should have insurance instead of going to that charlatan, but like somebody else mentioned she thinks that Dr. Moon is more reliable than conventional medicine. 

Edited October 25 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

17 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

How interesting that he waited TWO YEARS to file a lawsuit.  I'm sure it was just a coincidence that it was after he started dating Alexis, who coincidentally was getting back on the show.  What a dirtbag. 

He said in the confessional he shared with JJ (Alexis) that it had to do with the statute of limitations (in order to be able to file a lawsuit). And yes, it was exactly two years from the beginning of 2022 when he gave her the first amount to the beginning of 2024 when he filed. It seems there were messages and emails between them for years, and they never agreed. I assume the statute of limitations is two years for this kind of case. 

Edited October 25 by ZettaK

[lasu]

28 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

She wrote the notes in real time. 

No, if you go back and watch the scene with Emily and Heather, Shannon clearly says, "this is the shit I spend my time doing at home now," and "this is how I've done it so far," and she's only done the first 6 months of their relationship. 

I'm not sure why it seems so far fetched to go back through bank receipts. It's something people have to do fairly routinely, and especially if you keep a calendar, it's really not hard to back and pick out expenses. 

ETA: Google seems pretty sure the statute of limitations on personal debt (including promissory notes) is four years, not two. 

Edited October 25 by lasu

[RoseAllDay]

12 hours ago, FozzyBear said:

Oh I’m not sympathetic. I’m with you. Shannon creates her own misery through bad decisions and then starts in on her “woe is me” routine. If it was because she couldn’t afford insurance (which I doubt) then why is she taking John on expensive trips instead of buying even a basic health plan? If it’s for other reasons why isn’t she addressing those reasons? And can you imagine if Shannon had gotten the news Heather did? Lord help us. The crying would never end. 

I’ve never liked John (always thought there was something off about him) and Alexis is being terrible. But I can’t say I’m exactly sympathetic to Shannon. I find her to be just a manipulative with her constant helpless Shannon routine. How many years are people expected to feel sorry for Shannon before she just starts making better decisions?

Like Jenn and her rent drama, I think Shannon has been one of those persons who never has really had to take any kind of responsibility because there was always somebody else around to take care of things. She is truly on her own now, and can’t navigate life. When things get magically taken care of, it comes as a shock when you find yourself in a mess. 

I admit that I haven’t been following the promissory note business that closely anymore, but I find it unbelievable that some kind of formal agreement wasn’t put in place given the amounts at issue. You don’t have an “understanding” over $75,000. I’d want repayment terms in writing.

[Cosmocrush]

13 hours ago, ZettaK said:

He said in the confessional he shared with JJ (Alexis) that it had to do with the statute of limitations (in order to be able to file a lawsuit). And yes, it was exactly two years from the beginning of 2022 when he gave her the first amount to the beginning of 2024 when he filed. It seems there were messages and emails between them for years, and they never agreed. I assume the statute of limitations is two years for this kind of case. 

The timing still seems suspicious to me; he only filed after hooking up with Alexis and only when filming started.  It just doesn't sound like Jansen is as concerned about the money as much as it's about harassing Shannon on camera and giving Alexis a story. 

And yes, according to the the California Dept of Justice, the statute of limitations on personal debt is four years with a written contract.  Not sure about trying to collect without a contract. 

[RoseAllDay]

14 hours ago, lasu said:

No, if you go back and watch the scene with Emily and Heather, Shannon clearly says, "this is the shit I spend my time doing at home now," and "this is how I've done it so far," and she's only done the first 6 months of their relationship. 

I'm not sure why it seems so far fetched to go back through bank receipts. It's something people have to do fairly routinely, and especially if you keep a calendar, it's really not hard to back and pick out expenses. 

ETA: Google seems pretty sure the statute of limitations on personal debt (including promissory notes) is four years, not two. 

I can’t see Shannon being this organized. If it were me, this would be a job for my accountant, or, if I had a lawyer’s advice, a forensic accountant. I’m beginning to think she knows she’s probably on the hook, and she’s flailing. 

Only Shannon would find herself in this kind of mess.

[RoseAllDay]

2 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

The timing still seems suspicious to me; he only filed after hooking up with Alexis and only when filming started.  It just doesn't sound like Jansen is as concerned about the money as much as it's about harassing Shannon on camera and giving Alexis a story. 

And yes, according to the the California Dept of Justice, the statute of limitations on personal debt is four years with a written contract.  Not sure about trying to collect without a contract. 

Wants to freeload off Alexis, so he’s doing everything to keep her relevant, maybe? Some men on these shows are real gems.

Ladies of the OC — if you do anything involving property, custody, large debts, whatever…get a lawyer. 🤦‍♀️ “Real” life problems, lol.

[ZettaK]

On 10/24/2024 at 8:41 PM, lasu said:

No, if you go back and watch the scene with Emily and Heather, Shannon clearly says, "this is the shit I spend my time doing at home now," and "this is how I've done it so far," and she's only done the first 6 months of their relationship. 

I'm not sure why it seems so far fetched to go back through bank receipts. It's something people have to do fairly routinely, and especially if you keep a calendar, it's really not hard to back and pick out expenses. 

ETA: Google seems pretty sure the statute of limitations on personal debt (including promissory notes) is four years, not two. 

The statute of limitations for breach of oral contract is two years in California.

On 10/25/2024 at 10:37 AM, Cosmocrush said:

The timing still seems suspicious to me; he only filed after hooking up with Alexis and only when filming started.  It just doesn't sound like Jansen is as concerned about the money as much as it's about harassing Shannon on camera and giving Alexis a story. 

And yes, according to the the California Dept of Justice, the statute of limitations on personal debt is four years with a written contract.  Not sure about trying to collect without a contract. 

It's breach of oral contract, and the statute of limitations is two years in California, which is exactly the time he filed the lawsuit (he gave her the first amount in the spring of 2022). There is nothing suspicious to it.

Edited October 31 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 10/25/2024 at 1:03 PM, RoseAllDay said:

Wants to freeload off Alexis, so he’s doing everything to keep her relevant, maybe? Some men on these shows are real gems.

Ladies of the OC — if you do anything involving property, custody, large debts, whatever…get a lawyer. 🤦‍♀️ “Real” life problems, lol.

Why, and how would he want to freeload from Alexis? Her child support is ending soon (and it is used for the kids- I'm sure Jim Bellino is watching), and Jim Bellino would renegotiate (end) the alimony, it's part of their divorce settlement. Jannsen and Alexis have a wedding date. Shannon said on the show Jannsen is well-off.