S18.E12: The Elephant in the Room

[ZettaK]

Tamra and Jenn try to find common ground between their men; Gina reflects on her ex-husband's new engagement; Shannon is rocked by a bombshell article about the lawsuit; Heather accompanies Terry to get rhinoplasty.

First aired on 9/26/2024.

[Jst2Wld]

13 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Heather accompanies Terry to get rhinoplasty.

What about the rest of his face?

[QQQQ]

Nothing says "dude" like tailored underwear.

Edited September 27 by QQQQ

[Kiss my mutt]

It’s about time!

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, Jst2Wld said:

What about the rest of his face?

I'm sorry, but I laughed at this. 

And Terry's surgery is not for his deviated septum only. Isn't this the usual excuse for nose jobs? His nose is larger now because of age (yes, this happens), and his procedures. He is very vain. He had fillers and botox on Botched (his other show), on tv.

Edited September 27 by ZettaK

[FlyingEgret]

Shannon wins by having Archie in her bed instead of Johnny J...

[snarts]

Emily talking about Ryan & Eddie "these are two big dudes" 😂😂😂  i about fell off the couch. I guess when Shane is your baseline, everyone looks huge.

Anyone know the current lawsuit status? I want to see John get his ass handed to him. I'd countersue sue for extortion & attorneys fees.

Tamrat damn near wet herself at the lawsuit news. When will Shannon learn that she's not her friend & she should never ever confide in her? 

Oh Heather, rookie mistake, those microphones pick up everything! Surprised she didn't speak French like the  Countess Luann did just to force the editors to translate. I predict Terry's face will still look like play-doh.  

[tranquilidade]

Tamra is revolting.  That is all I have to say.

[ZettaK]

And we saw three dogs already! That's a win.

ETA: Five now with Katie's dogs.

Edited September 27 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

Ryan who is involved in a huge, illegal betting scandal (that's why the FBI was mentioned) said on a podcast (it was shown tonight) that Eddie is not "nice", and he never heard anything positive about Eddie and Tamra?

Edited September 27 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

Emily talking about Ryan & Eddie "these are two big dudes" 😂😂😂  i about fell off the couch. I guess when Shane is your baseline, everyone looks huge.

Anyone know the current lawsuit status? I want to see John get his ass handed to him. I'd countersue sue for extortion & attorneys fees.

Tamrat damn near wet herself at the lawsuit news. When will Shannon learn that she's not her friend & she should never ever confide in her? 

Oh Heather, rookie mistake, those microphones pick up everything! Surprised she didn't speak French like the  Countess Luann did just to force the editors to translate. I predict Terry's face will still look like play-doh.  

Shannon claimed it was blackmail. It doesn't mean that anybody else would necessarily think so. It's six months since Johnny J sued her (March 2024), and she didn't sue him for blackmail.

There is an update on John Janssen' lawsuit (as of September 26th, 2024). Both parties refused mediation.

According to John, these were loans and Shannon refused to pay him back. But Shannon’s lawyer denied it, arguing, “[John] and [Shannon] were in a romantic relationship for over 4 years. During the relationship, the parties regularly shared their finances and assisted each other with certain financial contributions.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.realitytea.com/2024/09/18/report-shannon-beador-john-janssen-not-interested-in-mediation-rhoc/%3famp

Edited September 27 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

Alexis Bellino might be annoying, but her divorce was finalized in 2018, and Jim Bellino sued Shannon and Tamra in 2020. So, Alexis had nothing to do with the lawsuit. In fact, for a few years the former couple didn't even have a friendly relationship. 

Edited September 27 by ZettaK

[65mickey]

Just because JJ has these videos doesn't mean that he is blackmailing her. The two attorneys, Shane and Emily, sitting at the dinner table both indicated that going to court over this is going to cost far more that settling. If JJ were smart he would take the $75,000 and sign the non defamation agreement and be done with it.  If Shannon were smart she would have repaid the $75,000 a long time ago. This squabbling over $75,000 is not doing either one any favors. 

[bravofan27]

Tamra and Eddie like Jenn but despise Ryan. Ryan despises Tamra and Eddie. Jenn likes everyone. Going to be bad news for Jenn.

Tamra-- if your husband is telling you to stop drinking, tells the host to stop giving you drinks, and you do things you have to apologize for later because of your drinking, you have a drinking problem. It's not being dumb when drunk. It's a pattern and it's a huge problem. 

Ryan has earned his orange. 

Matt is probably wondering what the heck he is doing with these people and reevaluating his life and choice in a wife who invites this in.

I sort of think Tamra and Ryan have the hots for each other. 

[dancingdreamer]

Tamra is such an embarrassment , she just had to bring up the butthole thing. Katie was wearing a thong, you crass little  wench

Eddie looks rough, he hasn't  aged well. Married  to Tamra I can see why. He has to whisper  to her  not to drink too much, ask the host to stop serving  her, something  is wrong with those two. I hated how happy  she was, Shannon being sued was in people  magazine. Heather showed more compassion. 

When Tamra walked away and tripped,  I rewatched  that, just knowing  she was so ticked off. Ryan  is right, she's not happy, especially  knowing Jenn is.

Lucky Shannon,  cuddles with Archie.

Edited September 27 by dancingdreamer

[CrinkleCutCat]

Tamra is all over Shannon and her drinking…. Why isn’t anyone pointing out Tamra’s drinking problem? When your husband is asking that you are not served anymore alcohol that means something.

Ps/

Archie 🥰🥰🥰

[Chatty Cake]

What exactly is Travis’s ex doing to him and Gina?

5 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

 

I sort of think Tamra and Ryan have the hots for each other. 

They probably do but know they could never be together as both need to be the biggest asshole in the room at all times.

Tamra spilling her drink and Eddie asking the host to not serve her anymore was awesome. It sounds like Eddie is aware of her drinking problem and dealing with it whenever they go out. He couldn’t be bothered to get up and go after her when she went out.

Jenn left her husband to feed Ryan’s ego? I feel certain he let her and her children move in so he could be on camera and promote his career of talking about himself and dressing himself in fitted ugly clothes.

[js9548]

Why wouldn't a non-disparagement clause be enforced in court?

[Lisa418722]

Matt was sitting there wondering what Katie has gotten them into being on this show.  

It looks like Eddie is realizing Tamra has her own problems with alcohol.  They've been married longer than I thought they would make it, but after this episode, I wonder how long they will remain married.  

ARCHIE!!!  At least Shannon has a decent guy in her bed now.  

[Pi237]

6 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

 

I sort of think Tamra and Ryan have the hots for each other. 

She totally would. And he’s a cheater, so he would too.  I remember Tamra being rude about the effect Eddie’s afib meds were making on his sex drive.  She seems to need a lot of validation in that area. 

4 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

 

When Tamra walked away and tripped,  I rewatched  that, just knowing  she was so ticked off. 

That was Awesome. Going into the highlight reel for sure. 
 

Tamra has always gotten even nastier when she drinks.  What a hypocrite. Look in the mirror, drunky. 

[QQQQ]

Ryan explaining his job to Matt (and Matt's reaction) reminded me of the in-law dinner scene in Sixteen Candles. "So basically, Jimmy, my business is video game arcades, laundry and cigarette machines, and trucking. I dabble a little bit in personal loans and politics."

[Baltimore Betty]

3 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Archie 🥰🥰🥰

He is the best, isn't he.

Archie also had the same look on his face that Eddie had on his face when Tamra was making an ass of herself at that dinner party.

[Baltimore Betty]

9 hours ago, ZettaK said:

There is an update on John Janssen' lawsuit (as of September 26th, 2024). Both parties refused mediation.

Oh what a shocker, two knuckleheads avoiding the easy way out.  Shannon should pay the money but make JJ sign a document that forbids him from dating any other housewife, we call it the Harry Dubin clause.😁

Seriously, if she pays up and JJ releases the alleged videos then Shannon can sue him for defamation or blackmail or what have you then sue Alexis for creating a toxic work environment, lol.

[EtheltoTillie]

Tamra was screeching like a drunken hyena as the discussion went on. Eddie was trying to get her to stop talking about the FBI. Awkward. 

[chessiegal]

Blackmail is illegal. You don't sue someone over it - you report it to law enforcement.

Quote

The federal blackmail law is 18 USC § 873. Blackmail is a crime under federal law and every state law. Blackmail involves coercing or extorting someone to gain money, property, or services unless the victim meets specific demands. This offense is generally a felony that can carry over a year in prison and high fines.

 

[Baltimore Betty]

55 minutes ago, chessiegal said:

Blackmail is illegal. You don't sue someone over it - you report it to law enforcement.

I was using "sue" lightly, we are after all in the HW universe where up is down and down is up.

[snarts]

1 hour ago, chessiegal said:

Blackmail is illegal. You don't sue someone over it - you report it to law enforcement.

 

Extortion was the term I used. In California:

Civil Code sections 1566, 1567, and 1570 establish a right to rescission in cases in which a person’s consent to a transaction was obtained by "menace": threats of confinement, of unlawful violence to the person or his or her property, or of injury to a person’s character. This is effectively the civil version of extortion.

It's also a crime. Section 518 of the Penal Code defines "extortion" as "the obtaining of property or other consideration from another, with his or her consent, or the obtaining of an official act of a public officer, induced by a wrongful use of force or fear, or under color of official right".

Now I don't portend to be a legal scholar but threatening to release embarrassing videos of someone unless they pay you $ sure seems to fall within those definitions.

Edited September 27 by snarts

[Sweet-tea]

13 hours ago, snarts said:

Oh Heather, rookie mistake, those microphones pick up everything! Surprised she didn't speak French like the  Countess Luann did just to force the editors to translate. I predict Terry's face will still look like play-doh.  

Heather's careful facade slipped in that scene. She did not like Terry daring to call her out! 

Wow, Tamra was really drunk at the dinner. I guess Eddie's attempts to limit her alcohol intake didn't work. She even tripped going out the door. 

11 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Tamra-- if your husband is telling you to stop drinking, tells the host to stop giving you drinks, and you do things you have to apologize for later because of your drinking, you have a drinking problem. It's not being dumb when drunk. It's a pattern and it's a huge problem. 

And how interesting given Tamra keeps getting on Shannon about her drinking. 

Edited September 27 by Sweet-tea

[bosawks]

The amount of hate Tamra has for Ryan makes a small, dark corner of my soul like him.

[J80134]

Eddie looks so drained. I hope he heads back up the mountain before Tamrat sucks him cript keeper dry.

Don't worry Heather. We all already know you're fake for the camera. 

I get Emily's weight insecurities...but your dress was a size 12 because that's the size your measurements fit. She usually stuffs herself into a smaller size, making her look bigger and incredibly uncomfortable 

Loved Matt's(?) response when asked if he has any kids! Katie's got a real keeper there.

Gina's man stuck by her through all the crap with her ex. Now that her shit smells rosy she can't deal with the crap from his ex.

Ryan is such a tool and Jen is such a fool. I bet she stands by his innocence when the fbi pops him. She may have to learn to live on her 8k(?) Child support after all

[snarts]

24 minutes ago, bosawks said:

The amount of hate Tamra has for Ryan makes a small, dark corner of my soul like him.

100% and it makes me think there's more behind it, like she flirted and he wasn't interested. 

Shane, looking alternatively bored & entertained, during the dinner squabble amused me. Can Tamrat ever say anything without screeching?

21 minutes ago, J80134 said:

Gina's man stuck by her through all the crap with her ex. Now that her shit smells rosy she can't deal with the crap from his ex.

Travis' ex was making Gina's presence in the kids lives a central issue in their custody battle. She was using Gina's past DUI and making allegations.

While it sounds like his ex is battling some issues of her own, Travis & Gina separating households (along with Gina's recent sobriety) was likely done based on legal advice. Gina & Travis are still very much together.

Edited September 27 by snarts

[heatherchandler]

10 minutes ago, snarts said:

100% and it makes me think there's more behind it, like she flirted and he wasn't interested. 

Didn’t Tamra say when Jen was first introduced that “all the women” at the gym were hot for Ryan?  Like they joked about sleeping with him and then Jen actually did?  I’m SURE Tamra is just jealous.

 

14 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Ryan who is involved in a huge, illegal betting scandal (that's why the FBI was mentioned) said on a podcast (it was shown tonight) that Eddie is not "nice", and he never heard anything positive about Eddie and Tamra?

I think “nice-guy” Eddie is a facade.  And Tamra is not nice.  So I don’t think Ryan lied about that.

 

[Cosmocrush]

Poor Matt.

Katie seems to have a perfectly nice life;  I cannot understand why she would choose to join this shit show, much less have Matt interact with these crazies.  

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, bosawks said:

The amount of hate Tamra has for Ryan makes a small, dark corner of my soul like him.

Ha! This is the first time I have liked Ryan because he didn't back down from Tamra. Bullies like Tamra can only bully when they pick on someone they perceive to be weaker. Ryan stood toe to toe, and Tamra's reaction was to run. I also love that Eddie didn't run after her.

I think Tamra has a drinking problem that may be worse than Shannon's was at her worst. The difference is that Tamra has Eddie to try to reign her in, and presumably drive her when she is intoxicated and doesn't have Bravo to provide her with transportation. My guess is her going hard at Shannon, other than that is her bullying MO, is to deflect from her own problem. 

I felt a bit sorry for Katie and Matt, but honestly, did they not watch an episode of this show (or any ho wife franchise) before signing on? The only reason to have dinner parties is to give Bravo footage of drunken fights. I am sure it is in the contract somewhere. 

Loved, loved, loved the producers including Heather's off camera comments to Terry. I am sure Heather admonishes Terry often, she is far too invested in her imagine as the perfect wife/mother/person to not  keep anyone in line that dares to step out of line. 

Edited September 27 by UsernameFatigue

[EtheltoTillie]

7 hours ago, js9548 said:

Why wouldn't a non-disparagement clause be enforced in court?

That wasn't the issue.  He refused to sign one.  It was something requested and not required.  If the case went to trial, they were saying that she would not get one because the court would not order a nondisparagement clause.  The court would just award an amount of money. 

[Baltimore Betty]

1 hour ago, J80134 said:

Eddie looks so drained. I hope he heads back up the mountain before Tamrat sucks him cript keeper dry.

Don't worry Heather. We all already know you're fake for the camera. 

I get Emily's weight insecurities...but your dress was a size 12 because that's the size your measurements fit. She usually stuffs herself into a smaller size, making her look bigger and incredibly uncomfortable 

Loved Matt's(?) response when asked if he has any kids! Katie's got a real keeper there.

Gina's man stuck by her through all the crap with her ex. Now that her shit smells rosy she can't deal with the crap from his ex.

Ryan is such a tool and Jen is such a fool. I bet she stands by his innocence when the fbi pops him. She may have to learn to live on her 8k(?) Child support after all

100%!

I will always refer to Ryan and Jenn as the Fool and the Tool.

I think Gina did a smart thing by asking Travis to move out, it might light a fire under his but to hustle more and it might be the wake up call he needs to finish the messy divorce business with his ex. However, I wonder if he was earning the same when he was married and the ex was tired of paying all the bills? 

Has anyone listened to the Podcast with the Tool talking crap about Tamra and Eddie? I feel like Tamra is doing that odd HW thing where anyone who talks in generalities about her or mentions her name in a sentence, she glooms on to one tiny out of context nugget and turns it in to something crazy.

[politichick]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

Travis' ex was making Gina's presence in the kids lives a central issue in their custody battle. She was using Gina's past DUI and making allegations.

While it sounds like his ex is battling some issues of her own, Travis & Gina separating households (along with Gina's recent sobriety) was likely done based on legal advice. Gina & Travis are still very much together.

That's interesting. Plus, that house is waaay too small for their blended family and Gina and Travis can't buy a bigger home together until he's divorced, especially in a community property state. In the meantime, Giina is making upgrades to the house so it will sell for more when they can buy.

Tamra sucks and I am with the poster who said Eddie is likely not the nice guy we all think he is. Instead of fucking with her face all the time, she needs to work on her arms.

And Emily, get some fucking help.

[Cosmocrush]

11 hours ago, dancingdreamer said:

I hated how happy  she was, Shannon being sued was in people  magazine.

Tamra was so excited she didn't wait a minute to get on the phone and start spreading the news.  As a victim of a baseless lawsuit herself, also by an Alexis adjacent asshole, seems like she would have a bit of empathy.  But nope. 

And she was not only thrilled to get  a butt dial/accidental message of Shannon's misery, but told everyone she saw about it. 

 

[SweetieDarling]

28 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I will always refer to Ryan and Jenn as the Fool and the Tool.

🤣 Love it! Me too!

[snarts]

37 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Has anyone listened to the Podcast with the Tool talking crap about Tamra and Eddie? I feel like Tamra is doing that odd HW thing where anyone who talks in generalities about her or mentions her name in a sentence, she glooms on to one tiny out of context nugget and turns it in to something crazy.

I haven't but the snippets they included from it & the social media screenshots seemingly backed Ryan's version of events. He did not attack Tamrat's parenting on the podcast and the post telling her to focus on her own son was directed at her.

Also agree with your perspective, Tamrat is dumb & a hypocrite. She talks shit constantly but quickly cries foul if anyone dare mention her or her house of cards. She's screaming that Ryan attacked her/Eddie/kids when he merely responded to what had been said about him the previous season.

I also agree that if a mutual friend really told Eddie that Ryan said he wanted to f^ck his wife, Eddie would've confronted him. IMHO, Tamrat's the one who told Eddie that cockamamie story (after Ryan turned her down & got with Jenn) to make herself appear desirable and to piss Jenn off.

Edited September 27 by snarts

[Arynm]

I think it's telling that Shannon sent Tamra directly to voicemail and never, at least what we saw, called her back.

Can we hope that Shannon has learned that Tamra is a snake that has no one's best interest in mind except herself. Probably not, but she was strong in this moment so I count it as a win.

Tamra might have a drinking problem and I don't care if I am wildly speculating she does it all the time. She was sloppy drunk at that dinner, falling down drunk.

Ryan is so shady and I cant stand him.

 

[politichick]

2 minutes ago, Arynm said:

I think it's telling that Shannon sent Tamra directly to voicemail and never, at least what we saw, called her back.

Can we hope that Shannon has learned that Tamra is a snake that has no one's best interest in mind except herself. Probably not, but she was strong in this moment so I count it as a win.

Tamra might have a drinking problem and I don't care if I am wildly speculating she does it all the time. She was sloppy drunk at that dinner, falling down drunk.

Ryan is so shady and I cant stand him.

 

I just read on some site that Shannon is pretty much done with Tamra.

[bravofan27]

3 hours ago, bosawks said:

The amount of hate Tamra has for Ryan makes a small, dark corner of my soul like him.

That's the best part of Ryan! She kind of wants him and she has spinned it that he wants her (seeing her in the gym and telling a buddy that he was going to f# her), but I think it's the other way around. Or, if true, maybe got Tamra really interested. Who knows, but she is kind of obsessed with Ryan and it's weird. He didn't even say much, and refused to comment on her parenting, but I think she likes having a reason to talk to him. It doesn't seem like Eddie is much of a conversationalist, and Ryan will talk your ear off. He's very engaged. Eddie-- not so much. He didn't even do anything until Jenn pretty much begged him to stop Tamra. 

Katie is kind of like Jenn-- pretty much a wall flower, but maybe at her realty show school they taught her to gasp and hold her hands to her mouth with wide eyes (which is all she ever does) and thankfully for Jenn, Ryan is stepping in to create some narrative and storyline, because Jenn easily fall to margins, given her propensity to be nice. Plus, she's pretty quiet. She needs Ryan in her storyline to keep her interesting. And Ryan willing to go up against Tmara is VERY interesting. 

Edited September 27 by bravofan27

[Baltimore Betty]

If Tamra secretly wants Tool then it makes sense that she does not like Fool.

Ryan answering the question about his employment was hysterical, he forgot to throw in butcher, baker and candlestick maker!

1 hour ago, politichick said:

Instead of fucking with her face all the time, she needs to work on her arms.

I thought Tamra looked horrible at the table, too many procedures on her face and yes, her arms...Crepe Erase. 

[tranquilidade]

3 hours ago, snarts said:

100% and it makes me think there's more behind it, like she flirted and he wasn't interested. 

 

I've thought this for a long time.  Glad someone now said it. There is no other explanation for her reaction. 

[EtheltoTillie]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

 

Ryan answering the question about his employment was hysterical, he forgot to throw in butcher, baker and candlestick maker!

 

This was one of those mean producer edits where they kept him droning on and on with cuts for additional responses. You could feel everyone looking at their watch.  Then Matt just looked at him blankly.  He also didn't have the courtesy to ask what Matt did.  No self awareness.

Edited September 27 by EtheltoTillie

[StevieRocks]

Lord, I can't decide which Dubrow looks more like Madame Puppet. And Madame Puppet #1 is looking like Starvin' Marvin. She is approaching Rachel Zoe territory, except Rachel Zoe is pretty and still looks youthful. Madame Puppet #1 looks "old lady skinny."

[SoTheresThat]

5 hours ago, J80134 said:

I get Emily's weight insecurities...but your dress was a size 12 because that's the size your measurements fit. She usually stuffs herself into a smaller size, making her look bigger and incredibly uncomfortable 

I think Emily's issue with the dress was that with Alexis in the exact same dress except for it being a size 2 (I don't see how those jugs could possibly fit in a size 2 but whatever) it would only emphasize how much bigger Emily is than everybody else.

[Juneau Gal]

My very favorite thing, and the thing that keeps me going when I’m enraged by Tamra, is that I know, I 100% know that she has to be horrified every time she sees herself in that black halter/choker confessional look. Good googlie mooglie - the face, the hair, the arms! Especially the arms. I’m shocked by it every time, how horrid she looks. 

[Natalie68]

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

If Tamra secretly wants Tool then it makes sense that she does not like Fool.

Ryan answering the question about his employment was hysterical, he forgot to throw in butcher, baker and candlestick maker!

I thought Tamra looked horrible at the table, too many procedures on her face and yes, her arms...Crepe Erase. 

PSA: Gold Bond Crepe Eraser is a great moisturizer!

She does look pretty worked over and it has aged her. Nothing wrong with aging but it is as though a line was crossed in the amount of work she has had and now everything is going downhill.