S05.E12: Tough Stuff

[Whimsy]

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Gary and Maggie make a difficult decision; Katherine and Greta explore options for the future; Eddie and Delilah realize they need to make a change.

Original airdate 4/26/23

[Snazzy Daisy]

A Million Little Things | 5x12 Promo "Tough Stuff"

 

[JayDub1987]

Yep. Sitting here crying real tears. I’m pissed at how they’re doing this, but it’s the most emotional reaction this show has elicited from me in a while.  

[cardigirl]

Dammit, they're really going to kill Gary. 😭

[JayDub1987]

9 minutes ago, cardigirl said:

Dammit, they're really going to kill Gary. 😭

I’ve been in tears for the better part of the show tonight. I wish they hadn’t even had him beat it before, fall in love, and have a kid. 

[ams1001]

Gary looks so different without the beard.

Is it bad I didn't tear up until Danny did?

Damn, that's a lot of candles.

I like Maggie's dress.

 

[KaveDweller]

That was a well done episode, it is hard to criticize an episode where they are killing someone slowly. And the wedding was really sweet.

The only thing I have to ask is....Maggie said they checked their bags for the flight they didn't get on. Did they get them back? I don't think you are supposed to just turn around and leave if you checked your bags, it sets off all sorts of red flags with security, right?

They really better have something good happen for Sophie in the finale. She seems to really be drifting and you never hear about her band anymore. Everyone else has had some kind of wrap up started and their future hinted at. 

[historylover820]

Well that was depressing.

I can't really criticize it, but, damn, do I feel depressed. Even if that wedding was sweet, and, for once, I didn't want to throw things at the TV when I see Delilah.

Well done episode. But I'm very sad now and I'm going to bed. At least I don't have to work tomorrow. 

Edited April 27, 2023 by historylover820
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[txhorns79]

So Delilah and Eddie bought a new home without ever consulting any of the kids/adult children who are going to live there?  How very them.  

Was Gary's aunt at the wedding?  I didn't see her.  

And Greta and Catherine, perhaps the real question you should ask yourselves about a potential new baby is whether you are prepared to be in your 60s with a teenager living in your home?  Those are tough times for 30/40-something parents.  I can't imagine going through that in my 60s. 

  

[llongori]

22 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

And Greta and Catherine, perhaps the real question you should ask yourselves about a potential new baby is whether you are prepared to be in your 60s with a teenager living in your home?  Those are tough times for 30/40-something parents.  I can't imagine going through that in my 60s. 

  

Katherine, Katherine...  Greta's hesitancy to have a child because of her mental issues is too valid to brush off with "but you'll be there to help them through it."  It was a huge reason why I chose to remain childless.  Depression and addiction run down both sides of my family.  I've lived with the misery of both and there was NO WAY I was even going to chance passing that misery on to a child.  I don't believe suffering through misery with support is so much better than suffering without support that it's worth risking with a child.  Strictly my $.02.  YMMV.

And I echo the sentiment that the show was horribly depressing.  The physical transformation of Gary was so jarring that I didn't even recognize it was him when they first showed him at Javier's party.

[Frisky Wig]

13 minutes ago, llongori said:

Katherine, Katherine...  Greta's hesitancy to have a child because of her mental issues is too valid to brush off with "but you'll be there to help them through it."  It was a huge reason why I chose to remain childless.  Depression and addiction run down both sides of my family.  I've lived with the misery of both and there was NO WAY I was even going to chance passing that misery on to a child.  I don't believe suffering through misery with support is so much better than suffering without support that it's worth risking with a child.  Strictly my $.02.  YMMV.

And I echo the sentiment that the show was horribly depressing.  The physical transformation of Gary was so jarring that I didn't even recognize it was him when they first showed him at Javier's party.

Same. I’m childfree as well and one of the numerous reasons is the large number of substance abusers in my family tree, family history of depression and other MI and my own issues with depression and eating disorders. If I had a child and my child developed, say, depression and anorexia nervosa, I would know what my kid was dealing with and how to help but my firsthand knowledge of how horrific those illnesses are, I don’t want to risk it. Someone else’s mileage may vary but that’s mine. 
 

Also, Gary was unrecognizable. Fortunately his voice is very unique. 

[Snazzy Daisy]

What an emotionally exhausting episode! 😭😭😭

I first started crying when Gary thanked Dr. Stein for helping him making this far. The other scene that hit me hard was the airport scene. I basically wept every time Gary was on screen. Thanks so much JRR!

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by SnazzyDaisy

[cinsays]

good episode, very sad, next week should be the same, i guess

but i could do without delilah being so prominent and where was gary's son with katherine? was he not at the wedding? or was it naptime?

and delilah and ed sleep with the little girl in bed with them like that?

[luna1122again]

This show so wants to be the 'thirtysomething' of this era, and pretty much is, tho I liked 'thirtysomething' a lot more than this one...so I really should have not had any doubt that they'd kill off their Gary too.

I remember back then that people complained about how entitled and whiny the main characters of that show were, and I didn't really agree then, but that's how I have felt, mostly, about this gang. I also watch this show now and am gobsmacked by the idea that all these adults have time to be there for each other at every single gathering, event, significant moment, insignificant  moment of one another's lives, but honestly, in my thirties, my friends and I were kind of like that. Not quite to this degree, but close. Now we still care about each other but we're too old and tired and cranky to get together much. Ha. 

I complain about this show, but damn, it was really sad last nite. But at least Maggie's dress was gorgeous. 

[cardigirl]

This show wanted to be ABC's answer to This Is Us, but it was never that show, and I don't really think of thirtysomething either. Maybe that was the initial intent of the creator, "I'm gonna write a show as good as 'thirtysomething'" but he fell short a good part of the time. This season has been a little different, mostly due to JRR's performance. He's been hitting it out of the park. 

I'll miss seeing James on my tv weekly.  Back to the Psych reruns for me. 

[Notabug]

10 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

That was a well done episode, it is hard to criticize an episode where they are killing someone slowly. And the wedding was really sweet.

The only thing I have to ask is....Maggie said they checked their bags for the flight they didn't get on. Did they get them back? I don't think you are supposed to just turn around and leave if you checked your bags, it sets off all sorts of red flags with security, right?

They really better have something good happen for Sophie in the finale. She seems to really be drifting and you never hear about her band anymore. Everyone else has had some kind of wrap up started and their future hinted at. 

I believe the plane cannot take off until the bags have been located and removed if a passenger doesn't get on a flight after checking in.  So, if Maggie didn't immediately inform someone at the gate, the plane could've been delayed in taking off.

I thought the storyline with Gary was moving and realistic.  Great makeup work, he really did look sick.  James Roday Rodrigues is a very fine comic actor, so I guess it's no surprise he can do tragedy as well.

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but i could do without delilah being so prominent and where was gary's son with katherine? was he not at the wedding? or was it naptime

You mean Gary's son with Maggie, right?  He was there, being held by one of the female cast, Regina, I think.  Looked like he was asleep for much of it.

I agree that Maggie's dress was just stunning.

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So Delilah and Eddie bought a new home without ever consulting any of the kids/adult children who are going to live there?  How very them

Considering Delilah sold their family home and they were all living in an apartment someplace, any home they bought was probably going to be a better fit anyway.  Also, Sophie is already a couple years out of high school and Danny is going off to college.  Neither one is going to be living with Delilah much longer anyway.  I disagree that they needed to have any input as to where they were going to live for the next couple years.  As far as I'm concerned, if your name isn't on the mortgage, you don't get to pick the house.

I must say, I thought it was sweet when Ed told Gary they were moving into the building to be there for Maggie and the baby.  I agree, these people are way too up in each other's business, but the relief on Gary's face knowing that they'd be around after he was gone was worth it.  Not that I'd want Delilah living a couple doors down from me.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Notabug

[Suzn]

Well, that was fucking depressing. No tears, just feeling hopeless.  There were plenty of the usual things to criticize, but now I just want to watch the final depressing episode and say goodbye to the whole mess.

[cinsays]

6 minutes ago, Suzn said:

Well, that was fucking depressing. No tears, just feeling hopeless.  There were plenty of the usual things to criticize, but now I just want to watch the final depressing episode and say goodbye to the whole mess.

 

i meant ed's son with katherine, the childish acting teenager

[ams1001]

I just watched the scene again...Regina was holding the baby when they were waiting for Maggie, and a little later I think it's Maggie's producer (her name escapes me) who's holding him.

I do not see Theo or Charlie. Maybe he's watching her down the hall. We know she loves running around with sharp objects in her hand; she'd probably be a true menace around all those little flames... (that said, the people in the background are out of focus a lot so it's hard to tell who's who sometimes).

 

[Notabug]

37 minutes ago, cinsays said:

 

i meant ed's son with katherine, the childish acting teenager

I try to pretend he isn't there, even when he is.  I noticed none of the writers thought he needed to be in any of the emotional scenes with Gary.  No way that kid could pull off anything other than the childish stuff they give him, bad as that is.

[ams1001]

5 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I try to pretend he isn't there, even when he is.  I noticed none of the writers thought he needed to be in any of the emotional scenes with Gary.  No way that kid could pull off anything other than the childish stuff they give him, bad as that is.

Him trying to be emotional and dramatic just takes me right out of the scene, so it's a good thing.

[Cosmocrush]

Wow that was not fun. I hate this story.  Why couldn't Maggie be the one?  But  Gary did such a good job I almost missed the ridiculous stuff.  Like Gina and Rome skipping her big introduction of the mayor to go to the airport when they could have gone to the house earlier when Rome was helping Gary pack.  Or Maggie breaking down and asking Delilah "how she did it" meaning got through Jon's death.  What????  Apples and oranges.  Plus, being in bed with Eddie at the time probably softened the blow.  🙄

The wedding was nice.   I wonder what the secret legal papers were that Katherine drew up for Gary?  Maybe now that they are  married they don't matter?  

 

[Suzn]

12 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I try to pretend he isn't there, even when he is.  I noticed none of the writers thought he needed to be in any of the emotional scenes with Gary.  No way that kid could pull off anything other than the childish stuff they give him, bad as that is.

 

6 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Him trying to be emotional and dramatic just takes me right out of the scene, so it's a good thing.

So true.  I'm glad I didn't have to see a scene like that!

[ams1001]

4 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

The wedding was nice.   I wonder what the secret legal papers were that Katherine drew up for Gary?  Maybe now that they are  married they don't matter?  

I was thinking his will but you'd think he would have done that at least when he was told he was terminal, which was apparently a year or more before. Unless he just made some last-minute changes. But this show does like its mysterious legal papers, doesn't it?

Edited April 27, 2023 by ams1001

[Notabug]

17 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

I was thinking his will but you'd think he would have done that at least when he was told he was terminal, which was apparently a year or more before. Unless he just made some last-minute changes. But this show does like it's mysterious legal papers, doesn't it?

Well, at the time Gary met with Katherine, he wasn't married to Maggie, so I suppose he could've been making sure his will was airtight to give her the resources she would need for Javi.  I believe I commented a couple of episodes ago that they should've gotten married as soon as his cancer recurred since there is now a child in the picture.  Technically, I guess Javi would inherit if Gary wasn't married, but much better that he did marry Javi's mother.  Otherwise, he'd have had to set up a trust for Javi with Maggie as the administrator.

Gary worked in the insurance industry, you'd think he'd know more than most about estate planning.

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r Maggie breaking down and asking Delilah "how she did it" meaning got through Jon's death.  What????  Apples and oranges.  Plus, being in bed with Eddie at the time probably softened the blow

How Delilah did it:

1.  She was so busy getting laid by Jon's good friend that she didn't even notice that he was depressed and suicidal.  So, she didn't have the sense of impending doom that Maggie has.  

2. See number 1.  Delilah seemingly didn't much care for Jon anymore, while Maggie seems to be rather fond of Gary.

3.  See number 1.  Delilah was carrying Eddie's love child and all the morning sickness and hiding the child's paternity from friends and family didn't leave her any time to even notice Jon wasn't around anymore.

Edited April 27, 2023 by Notabug

[ams1001]

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

Gary worked in the insurance industry, you'd think he'd know more than most about estate planning.

Yeah, I figured as an actuary he knows his odds better than most. I'm guessing we'll find out in the finale; why set up a little mystery in the penultimate episode if not to resolve it (presumably after he dies). Then again, it is this show.

[Notabug]

1 minute ago, ams1001 said:

Yeah, I figured as an actuary he knows his odds better than most. I'm guessing we'll find out in the finale; why set up a little mystery in the penultimate episode if not to resolve it (presumably after he dies). Then again, it is this show.

Heck, the major mystery that the whole first season revolved around turned out to be a whole lotta nothin'.  I have no hopes that this will be any different.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Yupp, Maggie's dress is modestly sweet & gorgeous!

 

 

1 hour ago, Cosmocrush said:

I wonder what the secret legal papers were that Katherine drew up for Gary?  Maybe now that they are  married they don't matter?  

Is Katherine a conveyancing lawyer? She helped Delilah keeping her house before.

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by SnazzyDaisy

[Clanstarling]

13 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

The only thing I have to ask is....Maggie said they checked their bags for the flight they didn't get on. Did they get them back? I don't think you are supposed to just turn around and leave if you checked your bags, it sets off all sorts of red flags with security, right?

I didn't really think about airport rules about bags, I just thought "aren't your bags on the plane?"

12 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

So Delilah and Eddie bought a new home without ever consulting any of the kids/adult children who are going to live there?  How very them.

Eh, Danny's off to Harvard, Sophie's grown and she can leave if she doesn't like it. I can criticize them for a lot of things, but not consulting the kids isn't one of them.

1 hour ago, Cosmocrush said:

Or Maggie breaking down and asking Delilah "how she did it" meaning got through Jon's death.  What????  Apples and oranges.  Plus, being in bed with Eddie at the time probably softened the blow.  🙄

Definitely apples and oranges - mostly (all other stuff aside) that one was quick and the other is a horrible slow goodbye. That being said, when I thought I was going to lose my husband, I did have some talks with my friend, the only widow I knew. Our circumstances were also different (though not like the show), but you do reach out to someone who knows the pain. Fortunately, he got better and has recovered fully.

This episode moved me more than any episode in the entire series. I was choked up and teary through most of it. Whatever else we can say about the show runners/writers, it's clear they've experienced loss.

I did love Maggie's wedding dress.

[circumvent]

5 hours ago, Notabug said:

Gary worked in the insurance industry,

Did he? I don't mean the insurance industry part but the "he worked" part

 

Edited April 27, 2023 by circumvent

[ams1001]

55 minutes ago, Clanstarling said:

Danny's off to Harvard

Of course, because only the Ivy League will do on TV (I realize he probably wants to go there because his Dad did, but still).

[Lethallyfab]

I’m just surprised we didn’t see Danny’s Harvard essay, “how my dad died and his group of friends helped us through it.”  Maybe that will be the voice-over for the finale.

I thought showing Danny’s initial “yeah, I actually don’t want to deal with this uncomfortable thing right now” reaction to Gary was important.  Not everyone can kumbuya and live, laugh, love their way through grief.

This was heart-wrenching all around.  I cried pretty much throughout the entire episode.  

[ams1001]

2 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Is Katherine a conveyancing lawyer? She helped Delilah keeping her house before.

I don't know if they've ever defined her actual area of law. The fandom wiki just says 'attorney.'

[tennisgurl]

So they actually pulled the trigger, I guessed early on that we would end the show with Gary dying, but that was still tough to watch. Kudos to James and the makeup people, he really did look like he was wasting away, not like a lot of TV terminal illnesses where the person looks perfect except for messy hair. This show has always desperately wanted to be This Is Us so of course they had to end on the lingering death of a major character and the rest of the cast dealing with it. Sadly this show has never been anywhere near the quality of This is Us at its best, but this was still pretty well done. They wanted me to be depressed, and now I'm depressed. Mission accomplished. 

There was a lot of the usual bullshit here, but I'm really not even in the mood to snark about this, its too sad. 

[ams1001]

2 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

There was a lot of the usual bullshit here, but I'm really not even in the mood to snark about this, its too sad. 

Same here; I had a few snarky comments in my initial post, and I deleted them before submitting because it felt wrong..

[Brian Cronin]

James Roday Rodriguez really elevates the shitty material so much. This episode really summed up the show - hacky material sold really well by an excellent cast, so it is ultimately still worth watching. 

"Strangers"  was a great choice for the wedding, but I'd preferred had they used the original Kinks version. 

[Endora]

Wow that episode was heartbreaking.  I cried a lot and never usually let a show get to me that much.  It would have been nice if Gary’s Aunt and Maggie’s mom made an appearance.  Maybe the finale?  I was glad summer was apparently over and Sophie was back, I really love the character.  Anyone think next weeks finally will be fast forwarded a few years?

[Lethallyfab]

I don’t think this show has ever remotely been on any Awards’ Show radar but I would be extremely welcome to James Roday Rodriguez receiving a nomination for his work here.

[gibasi]

I am glad my daughter doesn’t watch this show. Gary looked exactly like my son-in-law who died of cancer. I think they have handled Gary’s cancer so realistically and truthfully-Danny not wanting to see Gary, Maggie not wanting to give up and all of the friends reactions. And Gary being so god awful tired. So hard to watch but so well done. And James Roday Rodriguez is the GOAT.

[marceline]

The Codependent Weirdoes really earned their name tonight. Sophie just deciding that she would join Gary & Maggie in Mexico was random as shit and then there was Eddie & Delilah getting a condo down the hall from G&M. Don't even get me started on which of these apartments/condos/houses are/have been wheelchair accessible. I need to see floor plans.

I'll be honest, Gary's dying means nothing to me. It just doesn't. I'm a cold bitch these days. For me, Gary wore out his welcome a long time ago and no matter how much they want to turn him into ER's Mark Green, it's not gonna happen.

The wedding was sweet and Maggie's dress was perfection. It's just a shame that Inez couldn't be there. She's just a phone call away, right? And Maggie's going to need her help when Gary's gone. Also, as a Star Trek fan I saw Gary and thought "Changeling!"

It looks like the show just chose to offramp the story of Regina's run for City Council. Good. It was stupid to even introduce it. They would've been better off just sticking with the story of Gina trying to help her former coworker and his daughter climb out of homelessness.

Okay, radical thought: what if it isn't just Gary who dies in the finale but Regina. What if her TBI "comes back" and she collapses just as Gary dies? 

[circumvent]

I will be the voice of dissent here. Having read the thread before watching the episode, I was bracing myself for a deluge of tears. I cry with commercials, for context. I didn't. I almost did when Danny and Sophie were talking but that was it.

I also don't think the show did great with Gary's decline. He looked sharp, he looked upright. My neighbor who is having cancer treatment has to use a walker after the rounds of chemo. He doesn't walk upright and has trouble speaking for extended periods of time. I would prefer to see Gary have a hint of despair, of non-acceptance, of dread and self-pity. Those are human feelings when faced with certain death. That he kept telling jokes was annoying to me, and unrealistic. Even Gary would have a moment when he would need to just be alone, cry, something. Why the show didn't go that way I am not sure but it is unfair for someone who is dying to be the one not falling apart, the one holding everyone up and keeping their spirits high. 

Also don't think that the actor did anything extra special with the part. Not deserving of all the praise, imo. Aside: I would never recognize the actor outside the context of the show because I only ever saw him with a beard, and he looks so different without it. I would recognize his voice though. 

Maggie's dress was pretty but not my style. Too princess for my taste. 

Two absurd things: At the doctor's office, Javi was on a pram. I don't think people put kids that are one year old in prams, do they? There are so many types of strollers, full of different setting, why would the kid need a pram? Then When Eddie was looking at properties, the house in Springfield had two floors. People in wheelchairs don't look at two-floor houses, even if there is a bedroom in the main floor. And as already pointed out, condos that are accessible? Doubt it. And it was on 2C, second floor. IF they had said it was on the ground floor, I could ignore the still absurd premise but no. I also think Maggie's building doesn't have an elevator

Maybe I had high expectations for the episode but to me it was just meh.

 

[Notabug]

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 People in wheelchairs don't look at two-floor houses, even if there is a bedroom in the main floor. And as already pointed out, condos that are accessible? Doubt it. And it was on 2C, second flo

Eddie lived with Gary in his condo not that long ago, so the building must be accessible.  Eddie also seemingly had no problems using the bathroom in Gary's condo, so we can imagine that the bathroom(s) in the new condo are at least large enough to be adapted for the chair.  If the building is a new conversion to condos, each unit may well be fully accessible.  That's a big selling point for condos these days.

Since Eddie was buying the place and had actually lived in the building once upon a time, I can buy that the condo he purchased was either already adapted or amenable to those changes with minimal cost or construction.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Notabug

[KaveDweller]

11 hours ago, Notabug said:

Considering Delilah sold their family home and they were all living in an apartment someplace, any home they bought was probably going to be a better fit anyway.  Also, Sophie is already a couple years out of high school and Danny is going off to college.  Neither one is going to be living with Delilah much longer anyway.  I disagree that they needed to have any input as to where they were going to live for the next couple years.  As far as I'm concerned, if your name isn't on the mortgage, you don't get to pick the house.

I was more curious about where Sophie had planned to be living after the house was sold. Danny was going to be in France, but did Sophie even think about it?

I'm also curious about how Delilah could have sold that amazing large house and not have money to afford something decent, but smaller in the same area.

8 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Is Katherine a conveyancing lawyer? She helped Delilah keeping her house before.

Katherine is a TV lawyer, which means she practices whatever the other characters need help with.

I'm not sure what else the papers could have been other then a will. But if it was, I'm not sure why Gary would have been worried. Unless someone challenges a will, aren't the person's wishes generally carried out as expected? And there is not really anyone who would challenge it. I can't imagine his aunt doing that, and his only other family is his mother who he hasn't spoken too since he was a kid. 

5 minutes ago, Notabug said:

Eddie lived with Gary in his condo not that long ago, so the building must be accessible.  Eddie also seemingly had no problems using the bathroom in Gary's condo, so we can imagine that the bathroom(s) in the new condo are at least large enough to be adapted for the chair.  If the building is a new conversion to condos, each unit may well be fully accessible.  That's a big selling point for condos these days.

Since Eddie was buying the place and had actually lived in the building once upon a time, I can buy that the condo he purchased was either already adapted or amenable to those changes with minimal cost or construction.

The condo they bought was in Maggie's building. Eddie has been living in Gary's old condo, ever since Gary moved in with Maggie.

 

[Notabug]

9 minutes ago, KaveDweller said:

The condo they bought was in Maggie's building. Eddie has been living in Gary's old condo, ever since Gary moved in with Maggie.

 

Well, that's how much attention I pay to this show sometimes.  I suppose Eddie has visited Gary and Maggie often enough that we can presume the building, including the second floor, is accessible.  Since Eddie is not earning much money and is a full time student these days, Delilah must've made the down payment on the new place. \ Delilah hasn't worked at any sort of job in several years by this point, so she must have significant financial resources, even before the sale of the old house. Considering what she must've cleared after selling it, she should have more than enough money to pay for any renovations the new place might need for Eddie.

Edited April 28, 2023 by Notabug

[bybrandy]

21 hours ago, llongori said:

Katherine, Katherine...  Greta's hesitancy to have a child because of her mental issues is too valid to brush off with "but you'll be there to help them through it."  It was a huge reason why I chose to remain childless.  Depression and addiction run down both sides of my family.  I've lived with the misery of both and there was NO WAY I was even going to chance passing that misery on to a child.  I don't believe suffering through misery with support is so much better than suffering without support that it's worth risking with a child.  Strictly my $.02.  YMMV.

And I echo the sentiment that the show was horribly depressing.  The physical transformation of Gary was so jarring that I didn't even recognize it was him when they first showed him at Javier's party.

I 100% percent respect your choices but it certainly isn't the only set of choice.  Loads of addiction in my family and both my brothers and heir father are diagnosed bipolar and my brother very happily chose to have a second child (the first one woopsed his way onto the scene) and while I absolutely do not begrudge anybody any choice they make in this situation the difference of what my nephews have avaliable to them with a parent who has spent 20 years working on his own mental health and addiction issues than what my brother had as an undiagnosed teen?   It isn't even close.   So while I agree it isn't a cut and dried issue I do think Katherine is right that if they go into this with their eyes wide open and being honest and open with their kid then the kid has an easier road ahead than Greta did.

Plus I didn't feel like this was the end of the discussion,   They can't just get pregnant with out making several active choices.  This was lets not rule it out by letting your eggs go.  

[Guest]

I haven’t watched this show for a few seasons so some things threw me (Eddie and Delilah? Ew! And Katherine is a lesbian? And has a mullet?!) but I heard Gary was dying and I wanted to see. I cried. It was emotionally manipulative, but well done. 

[bybrandy]

Gary and Maggie aren't on the first floor so clearly there is some kind of elevator because we've seen Eddie there many, many times.  Eddie said they were right down the hall so they are probably on the same floor an if doorways need to be widened or roll in showers added things in the kitchen lowered the sale from Delilah's house should cover those kind of renovations.  I moved last year and looked at several condos there were certainly options that were completely inaccessible but there were options that would have required minimal retrofitting.  I spent 10 years as a caretaker for my elderly and incresasingly disabled parent and this was my first home after she passed so I really was cognizent of what I didn't need to change any more.   It was bittersweet.

[Winston Wolfe]

On 4/26/2023 at 10:39 PM, JayDub1987 said:

Yep. Sitting here crying real tears. I’m pissed at how they’re doing this, but it’s the most emotional reaction this show has elicited from me in a while.  

I hear you.  "Mr. Big Tough Guy" here hasn't cried since my own Dad died 36 years ago. But my eyes welled up last night, though. For JRR it was a career-defining performance and he'll definitely be getting some hardware come award season...

With that being said, I hope Nash understands that he has to commit to this arc. There can't be any miracle remissions or a fake-out where someone else dies in the Finale. It will waste the mostly stellar performances everyone gave last night.

Shame this series couldn't approximate last night's quality over its entire run. So much wasted potential.

 

Edited April 28, 2023 by Winston Wolfe

[CrystalBlue]

Well, count me in as one of the tearful viewers.  They faked me out too -- I thought they really were going to Mexico and give us a hopeful ending that leaves it up in the air as to Gary's survival.

Everything was well done this episode.

[circumvent]

7 hours ago, Notabug said:

Eddie lived with Gary in his condo not that long ago, so the building must be accessible.  Eddie also seemingly had no problems using the bathroom in Gary's condo, so we can imagine that the bathroom(s) in the new condo are at least large enough to be adapted for the chair.  If the building is a new conversion to condos, each unit may well be fully accessible.  That's a big selling point for condos these days.

Since Eddie was buying the place and had actually lived in the building once upon a time, I can buy that the condo he purchased was either already adapted or amenable to those changes with minimal cost or construction.

Condos are not accessible (and this wasn't the same place Gary lived). They are not built that way because they cater to a certain demographics. Disabled people who use wheelchairs would not buy a place (something that is a huge investment) that wasn't at least workable for them. I live with someone who is not in a wheelchair the whole time but needs some level of accessibility. When we chose our house, we passed on a lot of cute and sometimes cheaper places based on accessibility alone.

TV can come up with whatever they want - and they do - but maybe I just hoped too  much that since they made Eddie so accepting of his new way of moving, they would be more realistic when it comes to the rest of his life. How do Eddie and Delilah get any credit to buy anything anyway? 

The way this show os pure fantasy, it might end with Gary cured and nobody dying.