S27.E11: Finale and After the Final Rose

[DEL901]

The final count down. 

What the heck is Jesse hinting at…that something will change during the live show?

Edited March 28, 2023 by DEL901

[phlebas]

"It very might well tonight"?

Way to get the drinking started early, Jesse.  I'm trying to catch up.

[JenE4]

No Bachelor has gotten engaged since Peter Webber? That wasn’t exactly a success story. Didn’t he trade back through at least 3-4 different fiancés/girlfriends from the show? 

[phlebas]

I'm gonna stay up at least long enough to hear from Arie--....oh. 'Night, all! :)

[DEL901]

2 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

No Bachelor has gotten engaged since Peter Webber? That wasn’t exactly a success story. Didn’t he trade back through at least 3-4 different fiancés/girlfriends from the show? 

I think he is back with Kelley…cause, you know, he can only date from within his season and Maddie and Hannah Ann are off the market. 

[Lamb18]

2 minutes ago, phlebas said:

I'm gonna stay up at least long enough to hear from Arie--....oh. 'Night, all! :)

'Night! So it looks like they're skipping the finale and going straight to After the Final Rose.

[DEL901]

I guess they want to talk to Ariel and clear the runway for whatever dramatic live conclusion Jesse is hinting at. 

[phlebas]

14 hours ago, Lamb18 said:

'Night! So it looks like they're skipping the finale and going straight to After the Final Rose.

I was lying.  I'm not wasting the buzz I'm building -- I plan to be yelling at the TV in about 90 minutes

Edited March 28, 2023 by phlebas

[EllenB]

They can keep saying how heartbroken Ariel was last week, but she was calm, cool, and indifferent in that limo.

[DEL901]

Wonder if he’ll forget and grab her knee.  

Wow.  He really doesn’t care what she is saying, based on his expression.    

[SallyAlbright]

Ariel's answers sound weirdly rehearsed here. 

[Crashcourse]

Meh.  I don't need to see Ariel again with her boobs almost in her lap.

[Lamb18]

Ariel looks a little like Padma from Top Chef.

[phlebas]

Just now, SallyAlbright said:

Ariel's answers sound weirdly rehearsed here. 

TBH, I would practice in the mirror too if I was going to come out hot

[DEL901]

Oh, he could never have kept up with a woman like Ariel.   She made a lucky escape. And Zach is relieved too. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by DEL901

[Lamb18]

Hi Shawn!

[JenE4]

Just now, EllenB said:

They can keep saying how heartbroken Ariel was last week, but she was calm, cool, and indifferent in that limo.

Right, she made a point of saying it hit her after the fact because she had no emotion whatsoever. That’s why they would never give her the lead. She’s too aloof. 

The only emotion she has is a slight bit of anger/embarrassment that she didn’t get a special private talk on the sex-ban reversal. Which, the whole entire thing was ridiculously stupid. She’s basically like I had no intention of sleeping with you anyway.

[phlebas]

2 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Oh, he could never have kept up with a woman like Ariel.   She made a lucky escape. And Zach is relieved too. 

Totally. I don't know what his dating history is like, but he was not ready for someone like Ariel.  It reminds me of Old Matt Donald trying to keep up with Bri the Fake Australian Supermodel on BiP

[SallyAlbright]

Ariel's hurt and anger feels a bit performative because I don't think she was ever that into him. I also think he's been a bit of an idiot but he didn't kill anyone! This feels over the top for me, but I guess that's the show in a nutshell. 😂

Edited March 28, 2023 by SallyAlbright

[EllenB]

Zach's upspeak is such a dead giveaway when he's lying or at least being evasive as hell.

[DEL901]

At least Gabi is first when it comes to meeting Zach’s family.  

Also, did he just call her confident and secure?  Has he met Gabi?

[Riplet68]

Sigh....I love Ariel. i really wish she had been named Bachelor.  You can't tell me they weren't planning on making Charity the Bachelorette from the beginning  - that's who he's kissing on the bump card they've been using all season...isn't it?

I've really liked Zach - and this is the first season I've watched that I haven't had an issue with.  I have a feeling tonight will be the first time he really ticks me off - they've showed in the trailers all season that he's going to cut his second at the rose ceremony (at least that's what it looks like).  I really prefer when the lead goes and talks to the second place person before that so they don't totally embarrass themselves or get humiliated in front of millions of people.

I don't see Gabi being so confident in them....why don't they show those scenes.  I'm starting to think the spoilers ....might...be wrong. Though them setting up a conflict between the lead and his chosen also follows.

[phlebas]

3 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Also, did he just call her confident and secure?  Has he met Gabi?

My brain took that in as "confident, dry, and secure." Thank you, 80s deodorant ads

[DEL901]

Will it all be over for Zach and Gabi?   Jesse, you are 30 minutes into a 3 hour show…. 

[Riplet68]

I think they keep showing Gabi's sister in the audience....and if I'm right....she looks like she wants to spit nails.

Has Gabi said the "l" word to him? He's now said it to her twice....Katy has said it to him twice....but I don't think he's said it back to her.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Riplet68

[FlyingEgret]

Love hearing the audience laugh at Gabi's hmmm answer to Zach's "Does that make sense question"

[DEL901]

Zach’s reassurances are so fake.  Dude can’t act at all.

[EllenB]

With her hair like that, Gabi looks like a grown-up Angela Cartwright, the Brigitta character in Sound of Music (plus some TV shows).

[phlebas]

That was some grade-A, top-shelf gibberish he just gave Gabi.

[Riplet68]

Why is Gabi giving Zach's parents lessons on how to be a successful couple?

She does look great though....love her outfit and styling

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Riplet68

[SallyAlbright]

4 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Zach’s reassurances are so fake.  Dude can’t act at all.

I'm torn between wishing he was a better liar, like some of the past Bachelors, because that makes better TV or being glad that he's pretty honest and awkward because that's definitely better in reality. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by SallyAlbright

[phlebas]

Gabi, when you're lying to the camera, don't forget to blink now and then

[SallyAlbright]

Zach's parents seem really sweet and normal. Seeing him with them makes me remember he's just somebody's awkward kid and I hope he ends up happy even though he was a doofus at times this season. I still liked him much better than a lot of the previous leads because I do think he was well meaning, if naive. 

[JenE4]

Wait, Zach has told Gabi twice that he loves her*, and she only just realized when talking to his sister that she loves him?! 
*Or expressed his feelings of love for her at least to justify breaking the sex ban.

[Melonie77]

Ariel is definitely more intelligent and articulate than Zach. Although she does seem to be channeling the cold and robotic Lillith tonight I don't blame her for being upset that she wasn't made aware of the whole sex/no-sex storyline that took place after her one-on-one w/ Zach. I think Zach should have found the time in Thailand to let her know what happened so that she didn't have to find out via the airing of the show.
I believe the girls have all gotten together socially since the show finished filming. That means Gabi and Kaity kept that information from her all this time as well despite having the opportunity. And now tonight Zach did not provide a good explanation for why he didn't let her know.

[DEL901]

Now Zach’s smile seems genuine. 

[phlebas]

I like Kaity, but if she's going to keep referring to the ex-bf, we need more details

Edited March 28, 2023 by phlebas

[Riplet68]

Zach's look of pride as Katy walks off with Mom says it all.   And His mom's face with Katy is compeltely different than it was with Gabi.

And OMG that background of where they are talking is beautiful!!!!

[Melonie77]

14 minutes ago, EllenB said:

With her hair like that, Gabi looks like a grown-up Angela Cartwright, the Brigitta character in Sound of Music (plus some TV shows).

Yes, I agree! She was also in the 1960s Lost in Space tv show. They do look a lot alike.

[SallyAlbright]

Zach is so obvious. He greeted Gabi with a polite wave and a side hug and smile. He beamed as Kaity walked up, said "hello gorgeous" and scooped her into his arms for a big hug and then a kiss. The only thing I can't really figure out is why he slept with Gabi (and I do not mean that as an insult to her) because to me he's seemed head over heels for Kaity for most of this season. 

Edited March 28, 2023 by SallyAlbright

[phlebas]

"So Zach, what happened to that sweet Christina girl we met 9 weeks ago?  She seemed perfect for you."

I think they've been editing out Kaity's personality all season. She's showing signs these last two weeks of having one.

Edited March 28, 2023 by phlebas

[JenE4]

6 minutes ago, Melonie77 said:

Ariel is definitely more intelligent and articulate than Zach. Although she does seem to be channeling the cold and robotic Lillith tonight I don't blame her for being upset that she wasn't made aware of the whole sex/no-sex storyline that took place after her one-on-one w/ Zach. I think Zach should have found the time in Thailand to let her know what happened so that she didn't have to find out via the airing of the show.
I believe the girls have all gotten together socially since the show finished filming. That means Gabi and Kaity kept that information from her all this time as well despite having the opportunity. And now tonight Zach did not provide a good explanation for why he didn't let her know.

She meant that she found out during the rose ceremony when he made a big announcement about what happened and how he felt guilty about it. She didn’t get pulled aside for a private chat like he did with the other two. No one kept a secret from her.

[Riplet68]

So, Zach has told Gabi twice.....but only when reassuring her.  They haven't shown us him telling Katy that he's falling in love yet.  I'm thinking....He wants to keep the real "I love you" for the engagement....not realizing that saying "I'm falling in love you (and did he actually say "I love you" to Gabi?) is being read as the same thing. 

His words to Gabi would lead you to believe she's his first choice...but his face and actions with Katy say she is. He needs to get his mouth and body signals on the same page

[Melonie77]

I'm kind of surprised Kaity is so emotional with Zach's family...she seems a bit tipsy. I wonder if her closeness with Gabi has made this process a lot more difficult for both of the final women.

[LakeGal]

Zach's family seemed to really like Kaity.  His one sister did not seem fond of Gabi.  Zach lights up around Kaity in a way he does not with Gabi.

[JenE4]

Interesting editing there that Gabi’s conversations were pretty surface level about her perfect parents—job interview for a wife. Kaity, on the other hand, was very vulnerable (drink!) and open about her emotions about this process. She for sure “bonded” with them all more from what we’ve shown. Yet, Zach did NOT use the “love” word back with Kaity, even when she expressed she was in love with him.

[hyacinth]

I really identified with the brunette sister who seemed completely uninterested in the entire charade, right up to the point she finally melted and smiled when Kaity professed her irrational unshakable love for Zach, the greatest man of all time.    

 

[DEL901]

With Arie and Mesnick, they picked an F1 who seemed best on paper before ditching them for the womsn they really loved and both relationships seem to be working.  

This doesn’t seem to be that way.  His family does seem to prefer Kaity and he lights up around her…. Could he pick Gabi from “Catholic guilt” and then change his mind?

[SallyAlbright]

2 minutes ago, JenE4 said:

Interesting editing there that Gabi’s conversations were pretty surface level about her perfect parents—job interview for a wife. Kaity, on the other hand, was very vulnerable (drink!) and open about her emotions about this process. She for sure “bonded” with them all more from what we’ve shown. Yet, Zach did NOT use the “love” word back with Kaity, even when she expressed she was in love with him.

I feel like he's been more liberal with the "falling in love" with Gabi but Kaity will get the actual "I love you" at the end. 

[JenE4]

Kaity’s getting another jungle adventure date! If Gabi gets another boat or private island, I will be pulling a Greer tea-date pout-fest on Kaity’s behalf.