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I wish I could get excited for Chuck's coronation, but alas I just cannot be arsed to care. Growing up, whenever there was a royal wedding (Chuch & Di, Fergie & that one, Will & Kate, Harry & Meghan, Eugenie & Jack), I would stay up late and put on a proper British afternoon tea and enjoy all the pageantry and festivities. But this one is leaving me feeling very meh. I don't know if I'll be bothered to get up in the middle of the night to watch live.

I'm curious if anyone in the US will be making a night of it, and if anyone in the UK will not be watching. Just curious!

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I'm in the US and will record it, since I'm curious about the history and traditions. But other than that, meh. For the record, I watched the Will/Kate and Harry/Meghan weddings live.

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I'll record as emma675 said, for the historic aspect.

I too watched Chuck & Di's wedding, Will & Kate and Harry & Meghan all live.  "He who must not be named " always gave me the creeps, so I didn't pay attention to that one.

 

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I've seen all the weddings up to now - starting with Chuck and Di.  I was lucky enough to be living in the UK when Edward and Sophie were married and saw that one as well - it doesn't seem to get the attention the others did when discussion of royal weddings comes up.  Was it not televised in Canada/US I wonder.  Anyway I watched Will and Kate and Harry and Meghan with my late sister - for that one we really went to town and had a high tea and wore our "royal" hats.   I want to get excited about watching the coronation in the same way I was excited to watch the weddings but it's just not happening.  

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I think that kind of makes sense?  Weddings are fun celebrations even for royals, but the Coronation is going to be a more solemn and formal ceremony.  I'm interested in seeing it for the history, and I'll probably rewatch the special on the Queen's Coronation first so I can see the differences.  It's historic, but it's going to be a very different vibe from all the royal weddings.  And also a lot more overt about the whole institution of monarchy and all that entails.  With royal weddings, it's easier to think of the people involved as just celebrities rich enough to wear tiaras.

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US citizen. I have watched all the royal weddings (Charles & Diana's after the fact because I was 8 at the time & Harry & Meghan's taped because I was moving that day), and I watched as much of the Queen's funeral as I could around work. I won't be having/attending any parties and may not watch live, but will at least watch it taped. This is the first British coronation in my lifetime, and since I have been to England and have been to Westminster and have seen the jewels/throne/stone (in Edinburgh), I will want to see all the pieces together.

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8 hours ago, gingerella said:

I wish I could get excited for Chuck's coronation, but alas I just cannot be arsed to care.

You're in good company. A poll done by Redfield and Wilton last week (it's online, with data by age cohort) showed only 30 percent of Brits are planning to attend a Coronation party. Surprisingly, among the most unlikely to attend parties were people aged 55+, who were the highest attendees for the Queen's Jubilee parties. And only 6 in 10 plan to watch the event on May 6th. Between Charles' decades-long unpopularity, and people in Britain having to choose between buying food or paying for heat and electricity,  not surprising, imo that most don't want to celebrate his ascension to the throne.  And since Camilla is also disliked,  putting her front and center in the ritual might be contributing to the lack of enthusiasm as well. 

8 hours ago, Elizabeth Anne said:

 Anyway I watched Will and Kate and Harry and Meghan with my late sister - for that one we really went to town and had a high tea and wore our "royal" hats.   

Glad you have such a lovely memory, Elizabeth Anne -   hugs (and royal hats! ; ) to you.

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I wrote papers on theories of medieval kingship (and also on theories of how to get rid of it), so I'll be watching. The Brits kept parts of the ceremony (or rather restored it in the early 20th century). It will be shorter than Elizabeth's and Charles will have it modernized in other aspects. That should be interesting to see. Also: not going to lie there will be plenty of outfits and maybe some great bling too.

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8 minutes ago, MissLucas said:

Also: not going to lie there will be plenty of outfits and maybe some great bling too.

Oh I’m expecting a parade of tiaras-hopefully a different one than the one we usually see for the new Duchess of Edinburgh!!

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36 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

I plan on watching wearng my tiara.  Thank goodness its a Saturday.

Is this where I confess I recently bought a rose-gold (plated) tiara at an antique mall? Perhaps I’ll don it on Coronation Day. 

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14 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Is this where I confess I recently bought a rose-gold (plated) tiara at an antique mall? Perhaps I’ll don it on Coronation Day. 

Girl, excuse me but you can't drop a comment like that without showing us this tiara...

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1 minute ago, gingerella said:

Girl, excuse me but you can't drop a comment like that without showing us this tiara...

OOT at the moment but I will remember to post a picture when I’m back home. 

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14 hours ago, gingerella said:

I'm curious if anyone in the US will be making a night of it, and if anyone in the UK will not be watching. Just curious!

I'm in the UK and I am looking forward to the extra bank holiday! As for the coronation itself, it's my sister's birthday that weekend, so we might be otherwise occupied...

We did sit down as a family and watch the Queen's funeral, though.

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12 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Is this where I confess I recently bought a rose-gold (plated) tiara at an antique mall? Perhaps I’ll don it on Coronation Day. 

YES this is.   And nothing wrong with it.   Mine can from an online shop that sells tiaras for fun and beauty pageants (don't judge the fun ones are cheap).   So its goldish colored and glass.   But it looks cool.   So I shall it don for the ocassion.

I missed some weddings due to work committments.   Could not bear to watch the funeral so I taped it.   Still have not watched.   But like I said, thank goodness its a Saturday I can watch it.

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My mom was a big fan of the royal family and watched everything.  I remember watching Charles' investiture as Prince of Wales with her back when Charles was 18 and I was a little kid.  Watched all the weddings.  As I recall, Anne's was broadcast live and, of course, Charles' and Andrew's.  I don't think Edward/Sophie was on US TV, I think there were just blurbs on the news.  Watched all the funerals from Diana's to the current Queen's.  And, of course, the next generation's weddings including William and Harry's.  

Not excited about the upcoming coronation but will probably watch bits and pieces and tape it in case I miss something and want to go back.

In Charles' thread we were discussing the upcoming coronation and whether we would want souvenirs.  An old family friend was the daughter of a couple who emigrated to the US from Great Britain around the turn of the 20th century.  He was a gardener/landscaper and she was a governess on big estates over there, they met while working for some aristocrat or another over there and continued to be big monarchists.  They had purchased souvenirs from the coronations of their time and passed them to their daughter who gave them to me years ago.  Here's a photo.  The teacup and plate are from the coronation of George VI and Elizabeth in 1937.  The other cup is Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.   I've also got some stuff from the Queen's golden, diamond and platinum jubilees.

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My grandmother had a souvenir from Edward VIII's aborted coronation, because all the kids in her school were given a little token.  Sadly, I've never seen it!

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21 minutes ago, ancslove said:

My grandmother had a souvenir from Edward VIII's aborted coronation, because all the kids in her school were given a little token.  Sadly, I've never seen it!

Yes, you can find some souvenirs in the antique marketplace from his failed coronation, however they are usually not very expensive, no wonder why!

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1 hour ago, Notabug said:

My mom was a big fan of the royal family and watched everything.  I remember watching Charles' investiture as Prince of Wales with her back when Charles was 18 and I was a little kid.  Watched all the weddings.  As I recall, Anne's was broadcast live and, of course, Charles' and Andrew's.  I don't think Edward/Sophie was on US TV, I think there were just blurbs on the news.  Watched all the funerals from Diana's to the current Queen's.  And, of course, the next generation's weddings including William and Harry's.  

Not excited about the upcoming coronation but will probably watch bits and pieces and tape it in case I miss something and want to go back.

In Charles' thread we were discussing the upcoming coronation and whether we would want souvenirs.  An old family friend was the daughter of a couple who emigrated to the US from Great Britain around the turn of the 20th century.  He was a gardener/landscaper and she was a governess on big estates over there, they met while working for some aristocrat or another over there and continued to be big monarchists.  They had purchased souvenirs from the coronations of their time and passed them to their daughter who gave them to me years ago.  Here's a photo.  The teacup and plate are from the coronation of George VI and Elizabeth in 1937.  The other cup is Queen Elizabeth II in 1953.   I've also got some stuff from the Queen's golden, diamond and platinum jubilees.

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Charles was around 21 when he had his investiture as Prince of Wales.    I remember watching it too.  That was also around the time they showed the film where we saw that documentary film about the royal family on tv.  it's never been shown since although every so often you can find it on Youtube.

Sophie and Edward's wedding was televised in the US, but I believe only by cable news stations. 

Getting back to the Coronation, one of my favorite stories about Charles and Anne is that some time after Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, Charles was telling Anne all about it.

"There won't be another for years and years and years.  And when there is, it will be mine."

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Badger said:

Charles was around 21 when he had his investiture as Prince of Wales.    I remember watching it too.  That was also around the time they showed the film where we saw that documentary film about the royal family on tv.  it's never been shown since although every so often you can find it on Youtube.

Sophie and Edward's wedding was televised in the US, but I believe only by cable news stations. 

Getting back to the Coronation, one of my favorite stories about Charles and Anne is that some time after Queen Elizabeth II's coronation, Charles was telling Anne all about it.

"There won't be another for years and years and years.  And when there is, it will be mine."

 

 

One of my favorite Charles' stories from that time is his recollection of his mother bathing him while wearing the crown as she practiced in order to get used to the weight of it before the coronation ceremony.  She apparently wore it around the house to strengthen her neck muscles.

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3 hours ago, gingerella said:

Yes, you can find some souvenirs in the antique marketplace from his failed coronation, however they are usually not very expensive, no wonder why!

None of the coronation china from George VI, especially the teacups, is worth much.  A teacup from George VI coronation in good shape is worth less than 10 bucks.  I think that a lot of them were made by a variety of manufacturers and nearly everybody got one and saved it.  Queen Elizabeth coronation cups are worth more, but still not expensive at all.  

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I have a teacup and saucer from George V's coronation, I don't know what it's worth but unless it would buy me a car I'm not selling.  My great grandmother emigrated from the UK a few years before the coronation and that teacup was sent to her by her mother.  We were apparently not a keeping things kind of family so this is one of the few things we've got left from her.  She was a staunch monarchist and that teacup was never used.  Pride of place in the sideboard for decades.

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I'm hoping that PBS has the BBC feed, as they did for the Queen's funeral.  I prefer watching these events with commentators who know what is happening, who can identify all the people involved (not just Charles, Camilla, William & Kate), those who have an appreciation for the history of it all.  I had a conversation about this leading up to the Queen's funeral with someone who asked what was the difference between the BBC Coverage and the American networks, and I said the best way to describe the difference is that during William and Kate's wedding no one from the BBC mentioned Pippa Middleton's backside.  I won't get up to watch live since I'm assuming this will be happening at 4 or 5:00 am my time, but I will record it to watch later.  

There was an article on the People magazine site speculating that Kate (and the other royal women) would not be wearing a tiara, and if there are no tiaras that the royal women would not wear long dresses, just dresses and hats.  The article did say the conversation about this is "ongoing," so I've decided this is just an attempt to gin up interest in the event.  There's no way Kate will show up in one of her 47 Alexander McQueen coats and a hat, right?

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56 minutes ago, Calvada said:

There was an article on the People magazine site speculating that Kate (and the other royal women) would not be wearing a tiara, and if there are no tiaras that the royal women would not wear long dresses, just dresses and hats.  The article did say the conversation about this is "ongoing," so I've decided this is just an attempt to gin up interest in the event.  There's no way Kate will show up in one of her 47 Alexander McQueen coats and a hat, right?

Ugh I saw that too.  It’s silly. Charles has been King since September. Since they are putting on a show to place a centuries old crown on his head give the people an actual show! Let Catherine wear an amazing tiara, let his nieces wear their wedding tiaras, let his sister wear whatever the hell she wants from her mother’s collection. Everyone knows these jewels exist, keeping them shut away doesn’t change that. No one will see the women in Sunday style coats and hats and think that they are just like us!

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10 hours ago, Calvada said:

I'm hoping that PBS has the BBC feed, as they did for the Queen's funeral.  I prefer watching these events with commentators who know what is happening, who can identify all the people involved (not just Charles, Camilla, William & Kate), those who have an appreciation for the history of it all.  I had a conversation about this leading up to the Queen's funeral with someone who asked what was the difference between the BBC Coverage and the American networks, and I said the best way to describe the difference is that during William and Kate's wedding no one from the BBC mentioned Pippa Middleton's backside.  I won't get up to watch live since I'm assuming this will be happening at 4 or 5:00 am my time, but I will record it to watch later.  

I work for PBS and in our May programming meeting we learned that the BBC had not yet confirmed our access for the coronation (this meeting was last week, so that may have changed already).  Assuming we do get access, the plan is not to carry it live, but to compile a program to be aired as a special broadcast that evening.  

*If* interest picks up between now and early May, PBS can still alter that plan and go for a live broadcast (they can literally make that call right up to the day of the coronation) but, at this point, we are anticipating only special programming that evening.

I'll try to remember to post again if I hear that the plan is changing. 

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I'm in Canada so I am assuming that the CBC will show live coverage and then rerun the whole thing (or highlights anyway) later.  I'll likely tape it and watch. Maybe.

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13 hours ago, Calvada said:

I'm hoping that PBS has the BBC feed, as they did for the Queen's funeral.

If they don’t there are usually other options to watch a British broadcast. Sky News has a live stream through their website, app and YouTube. And the BBC may have their livestream available without the region lock. That’s what they did for the Queen’s funeral. Both will probably have the coverage available on YouTube for rewatch. 

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 My sister keeps insisting she "read somewhere" that Sir Paul McCartney will be performing at the coronation.  Googling provides me with older stories claiming this is a fact and newer stories saying he's on the "wishlist" of people they would like to perform.  Has anyone heard anything definitive?  She also is maintaining that Queen will be performing with Adam Lambert but that particular bit of news I am not seeing anywhere but her FB posts 😀.

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7 hours ago, chitowngirl said:

If you get BBCAmerica, they might air the Coronation live. They aired the Funeral. 

Yes, IIRC, I watched the Queen's funeral broadcast in the USA on BBCAmerica and it was really good. Low amount of talking and only when something worthwhile was being shared with the viewing audience. I loathe watching anything like this on American broadcast stations because they are usually accompanied with diarrhea of the mouth, non stop chatter about things the talking heads know nothing about, it's really maddening to be honest. So BBCAmerica is my US-based station of choice for all things British when it's a bid deal.

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13 hours ago, gingerella said:

Yes, IIRC, I watched the Queen's funeral broadcast in the USA on BBCAmerica and it was really good. Low amount of talking and only when something worthwhile was being shared with the viewing audience. I loathe watching anything like this on American broadcast stations because they are usually accompanied with diarrhea of the mouth, non stop chatter about things the talking heads know nothing about, it's really maddening to be honest. So BBCAmerica is my US-based station of choice for all things British when it's a bid deal.

Sadly, I do not get BBC America.  I'll have to figure out where to watch the BBC feed.  I need the BBC's Huw Edwards!  In a side note, at the time of the Queen's funeral, I searched for more info on him and I was stunned to realize he is only 61 years old.  I thought he was in his mid-70s.  

That's what I like about about the BBC coverage - they don't yammer on and they know the details of the ceremony, the history behind it all, and most of all the people involved in the ceremony and the dignitaries and royals that will be there.  For example, they don't speculate who that older woman is, they know it's Princess Alexandra.    

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2 hours ago, gingerella said:

I believe you can live stream it on a computer or tablet if you don't have it on your TV. 

BBC America? They require a cable sign-in. If you don’t get the channel you can’t watch the live stream. 

There are a few live tv streaming providers like Fubo and Philo who have BBC America and offer a short free trial. 

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For the Queen's funeral they had some coverage on BBC America, but my cable also has BBC News channels, and they showed everything all day long.     The U.S. news channels weren't very good for viewing, the commentators simply never shut up, even if they didn't have a clue about what was happening, and what dignitaries they couldn't identify.    I didn't realize I had the BBC News channel, because it's a much higher number that the BBC America channel, so until I went searching for it, I didn't even know I could watch it.

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It was announced that during the coronation Charles & Camilla will be attended by four boy pages each.  Camilla’s are three of her grandsons and a great nephew. Charles’ are George and three unrelated boys (one is the son of the rumored about Rose Hanbury. I’m surprised James Wessex isn’t a page, George is the youngest the others are all teens.

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There is debate on whether the acorns are a nod to Kate’s family or just a nod to them being the English oaks, kings of the forest, or something lol. I think if it is a nod to Kate’s side it would be appropriate as it is also a nod to the  Charles’ heirs?

Anyway someone more knowledgable can weigh in.

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Other than a lame story the other day about some factory making cheap looking coronation swag, it is remarkably silent on the news front. We are almost 30 days put from the even and usually there is near daily updates on this and that. It seems odd, like they're being deliberately low key, fir what reason I cannot imagine, or there are a lot more fires to be put out. Strange since the country hasn't had a coronation in umpteen decades.

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2 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

There is debate on whether the acorns are a nod to Kate’s family or just a nod to them being the English oaks, kings of the forest, or something lol. I think if it is a nod to Kate’s side it would be appropriate as it is also a nod to the  Charles’ heirs?

Anyway someone more knowledgable can weigh in.

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Weren't Kate's diamond wedding earrings in the shape of acorns? I think they were a gift from her parents?

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The calligraphy and the illumination/floral border is wonderful with all the spring flowers. I know better than to dip into any discussion about heraldry but I do love the Green Man. 

I've seen several lists for 'best coronation souvenirs' already (mugs, tea towels, tea caddies). And the other day Instagram was trying to interest me for a commemorative pin. Capitalism is still working.

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1 hour ago, Oosala said:

Re: the bolded part.  Will that be enough to stop the rumors about William and Rose having an affair?  I should hope so.  Silly distraction, really.

Probably not because if William isn't cheating and/or Catherine isn’t pregnant what is there to write about? (heavy sarcasm)

There is quite an age gap between Rose who is about William & Catherine’s age and her husband who inherited one of the senior peerages in England, one of the few that actually requires duties at court. They have twin sons, since the oldest twin will inherit his father’s title they actually chose the younger twin to be a page at coronation which is nice. They are about the age that pages have traditionally been accompanying the monarch to parliament so it’s possible they’ll replace George with the older twin and those children/teens will be at the next opening of parliament. I don’t think George can be a page because of his relationship to the monarch and place in succession. I think the closest relative might have been Princess Margaret’s son serving as page to his aunt. The Queen’s sons and grandsons were never pages.

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I hadn't seen Camilla's coat of arms before, usually that sort of thing is mu h talked about and even my heraldry society hasn't talked about it. Weird.

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I don't give much of a fig for Chaz or Camz, but on a purely esthetic note, I really love the whimsical coronation invite. I like it a lot better than the one for QEII.

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Although this special one for young Charles was adorable. 

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I wonder if he had this one in mind, all these years later, when it came time for their invite.

 

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11 hours ago, emma675 said:

Weren't Kate's diamond wedding earrings in the shape of acorns? I think they were a gift from her parents?

Taking my response to the Will and Kate thread.

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1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Although this special one for young Charles was adorable. 

I had never seen this before!  Thank you so much for sharing!  It looks like something out of A.A. Milne.  I love it.

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