S24.E09: And A Trauma In A Pear Tree

[WendyCR72]

Mid-season finale time - and, I think, the last of Kelli Giddish as Amanda Rollins? Airs December 8, 2022:

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Carisi and Rollins work together on an important arraignment. Benson tries to make Noah's Christmas wish come true when a case falls in her lap.

[CrystalBlue]

Bah humbug!  A Noah-centric Holiday Themed Episode.

Carisi and Rollins work together to get their Holiday Theme Clergyperson out of jail and back to the chapel for their impromptu Christmas wish Holiday Theme wedding before Amanda leaves the show!

Edited December 3, 2022 by CrystalBlue
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[Xeliou66]

This episode sounds like a nightmare. I mean so bad I am so tempted to skip it as I know I’ll want to vomit for the entire hour, it will be nothing but a soapy lovey-dovey episode with Rollins/Carisi getting married, Benson/Noah taking on a huge role, Christmas theme, no case, nothing but a soapy fanfic plot. Blah. They should just give Fin/Velasco/Muncy the week off, but I’m sure they’ll want everyone there to show what a family they are. I’m getting nauseous just thinking about it - it’s disgusting what MH and the soap opera loving writers have done to this show.

[CrystalBlue]

Can't wait to find out what Noah's Christmas wish is.

[Pj3422]

14 hours ago, CrystalBlue said:

Can't wait to find out what Noah's Christmas wish is.

To be off the damn show? 

[TooMuchRealityTV]

1 hour ago, Pj3422 said:

To be off the damn show? 

That's certainly my Christmas wish.

[CrystalBlue]

Noah's Christmas wish is Mommy retires so she can spend time with him in his upcoming transition from child to teenager and will be available to drive him to ballet classes and recitals.

[WendyCR72]

Hey, gang! I think we've had our say. Let's refrain from filling up the thread before the episode airs. Once it has, feel free to post your snarky opinions then.

Thanks!

[dttruman]

On 12/3/2022 at 8:40 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Hey, gang! I think we've had our say. Let's refrain from filling up the thread before the episode airs. Once it has, feel free to post your snarky opinions then.

Thanks!

Can I get one snarky question in? Just want to know who's story will take up most of the episode's time. Carisi and Rollins or Noah's Christmas wish?

[dttruman]

Well, what we all have been waiting for with Carisi and Rollins, they are finally getting HITCHED. The only thing that is so outrageous with it, is that Rollins is wearing white. So far through the 1st half of the it's mostly about Benson and Noah and a little incident occurs when Benson and Noah take a road trip. That incident could lead to a multi-million dollar lawsuit for Benson.

Edited December 9, 2022 by dttruman

[Iguessnot]

Ohhh, maybe Liv will let them adopt Noah then we won't have to hear from him again. Especially with that line about his only real family, Noah can guilt trip Olivia to give him up. 

I bet the family is in for a deathly end.

Why would she leave her front curtains open in Motel 8?

[dttruman]

On 12/8/2022 at 9:20 PM, Iguessnot said:

Ohhh, maybe Liv will let them adopt Noah then we won't have to hear from him again. Especially with that line about his only real family, Noah can guilt trip Olivia to give him up. 

Why is Noah still acting like a 5 year old? I am surprised Benson didn't call the parents first, talk to them, and then go over to the parent's  home and talk to them before the boys could meet each other

Edited December 14, 2022 by dttruman

[Iguessnot]

Ok I liked this episode. Some police work but relaxed. Olivia wasn't too annoying.

[Cloud9Shopper]

What was with Rollins’ wedding dress? The high neck and the poofy sleeves made it look like it was from the 80s or early 90s. There was nothing more modern or flattering they could have come up with, even for a courthouse wedding? And kind of a ripoff we didn’t get to see the full ceremony.

I was afraid at first for the Noah’s brother storyline but glad it ended nicely. Of course it doesn’t seem like Liv will be so lucky when the show comes back. 

Watching Rollins leave at the end, I was just thinking this show needs to end here and now. I don’t even really watch the new eps anymore; I just repeatedly live the glory days on USA and ION. Her departure was the only reason I watched tonight. 

[txhorns79]

1 hour ago, dttruman said:

Why is Noah still acting like a 5 year old?

Yeah, it bothers me that Noah and his half-sibling are supposed to be 12 and 13, but are written as though they are much younger children.  I also thought it was really over-stepping for the family to give Noah a Playstation 5 without speaking to Liv first.  The whole thing felt very off. 

I also couldn't believe Liv and Rollins continued staying at that motel after they made the bust!

And finally, I'll admit that I thought the impromptu wedding for Carisi and Rollins was very sweet.  It's nice to see a character on this show get a happy ending.   

[Xeliou66]

What a disastrous soapy mess this show has become - I mean it’s Rollins last episode and it’s more about St Olivia than Rollins, what else should I expect? I’m so sick of how every character has to kiss St Olivia’s ass and tell her she’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. And don’t even get me started on the Noah bullshit, that was cringeworthy all the way through, and what the hell was the point of it other than to allow St Olivia to play super mommy. And I couldn’t believe Olivia let Noah spend the night at their house after just meeting them. I’m so sick of all things St Olivia, she’s insufferable and it looks like now that Rollins is gone we are in for even more Benson drama. Blah.

And Muncy was terrible in this episode, I hadn’t thought a whole lot one way or another about her until now, but she behaved like an idiot in court and seemed so emotionally unstable that she came off as an unfit detective. She really should be fired from SVU after this, she’s lucky the judge didn’t declare a mistrial but it ended in a hung jury anyway, and mainly thanks to Muncy. I hate how they’ve made Muncy an idiot with no emotional maturity.

Fin was all but wasted once again, I’m sick of him being window dressing - I was at least hoping for one conversation between him and Rollins as he’s been the most stable relationship Rollins has had at SVU, but no Rollins has to spend all her time with St Olivia. Velasco was window dressing as well.

Only part I enjoyed was Carisi in court, give us more of that going forward, he’s come into his own as ADA and it was nice to see him in court.

The Rollins/Carisi wedding was handled okay, I still don’t see much romantic chemistry there, but it wasn’t a soapy mess like everything else was and it didn’t take up the whole episode, I was actually fine with that. But the St Olivia worship and personal soapy crap was unbearable, and Muncy behaving like a juvenile moron was awful as well.

I won’t miss Rollins as I’ve never liked her much, but I’m afraid with her gone we’re in for more St Olivia soapy crapola. This show is just a soapy mess that’s all about Benson. If they want to improve the show, give us more Fin/Velasco, more Carisi in court, dial back the Benson worship and have Muncy grow up. But I don’t trust them to do any of that. What a soapy mess.

[Snazzy Daisy]

Am only watching this SVU episode because of Amanda Rollins. I cannot believe they make her last episode mostly about St. Olivia, Noah’s Christmas wish and the unlikeable Grace Muncy. We even get to see Liv in a towel. What is that?

Amanda deserves a proper wedding with her daughters as flower girls. They can’t even give her that. I hope Kelli Giddish will find a better role in a much better show than this!

It is nice to see Anna Belknap of CSI NY on my screen again.

[wknt3]

The Good:
Fin and Velasco. Not nearly enough of them, but they were competent professionals and good team members/leaders throughout.
At least there was no forced Fall Finale OC crossover?

The Bad:
The opening. An experienced investigator needs Trial 101 and has never been crossed? A surprise wedding with the squad (except Muncy because she's the new girl and only the popular kids are allowed) followed by a reception with Noah (???!!!) and then we find out that Rollins' send off is going to be a Benoah episode???
Muncy. Still the show's punching bag with everyone but Fin and Velasco treating her like she arrived at SVU in a sealed plastic bag from some factory somewhere and not from another investigative unit.
Benoah. Why? Is anyone other than Mariska invested in this? And again why do we get an episode all about Noan in what is supposed to be about Rollins? Or you know elite detectives investigating sexually based offenses?
Speaking of sexually based offenses they just happen to stumble across one? A completely incompetent one that is somehow also a federal case? Why feel the need to give us this half-baked excuse for a sexually based offense? To give a reason to have Rollins come over and cue up the heart to heart where Benson, super detective and empathetic and understanding to the point of near psychic ability is shocked, shocked, shocked that Rollins is taking the unrealistically gob offer she knows about being shot and traumatized?
The trial. The judge is obviously biased against the defendant, Muncy is an idiot, and about the only redeeming feature was that we got some decent Carisi moments. Although it seems like he didn't roleplay the cross.
The promo for next week looks like another suckfest.

Overall this was a dud. Amanda Rollins went out with a whimper. A soapy mess with only a tenuous connection to what the show is supposed to be about. Bah Humbug!

Edited December 11, 2022 by wknt3
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[dttruman]

3 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

And Muncy was terrible in this episode, I hadn’t thought a whole lot one way or another about her until now, but she behaved like an idiot in court and seemed so emotionally unstable that she came off as an unfit detective. She really should be fired from SVU after this, she’s lucky the judge didn’t declare a mistrial but it ended in a hung jury anyway, and mainly thanks to Muncy. I hate how they’ve made Muncy an idiot with no emotional maturity.

I thought this was sort of a "deja vu" set up on a terrible premise. Why is this police brutality charge (for throwing the walkie talkie at him) even considered in this trial, it's so ludicrous. The "deja vu" part as I call it, reminds me of when Cassidy goes nuts on the stand (from Chasing Demons) is even more absurd. Muncy has had to have been undercover a lot with that gang task force, so she should know how to keep a cool head, but she conveniently loses it here. Just another well timed character assassination  to push this weak premise thru.

[Debbiejo]

Benson is a NYPD Captain who makes a 6 figure salary.  Why are she and Noah staying in a creepy Motel 8…… aren’t there any Hampton Inn type chains ?  So ridiculous..  and what 12 year old boy still had his mother constantly calling him sweetheart????

[Diana Berry]

3 hours ago, SnazzyDaisy said:

Am only watching this SVU episode because of Amanda Rollins. I cannot believe they make her last episode mostly about St. Olivia, Noah’s Christmas wish and the unlikeable Grace Muncy. We even get to see Liv in a towel. What is that?

Amanda deserves a proper wedding with her daughters as flower girls. They can’t even give her that. I hope Kelli Giddish will find a better role in a much better show than this!

It is nice to see Anna Belknap of CSI NY on my screen again.

Carisi said he was going to have the real wedding at his mother’s place , I believe.

[txhorns79]

3 hours ago, wknt3 said:

followed by a reception with Noah (???!!!) but not her own kids

Her kids were at the reception.  They were sitting at a table near Noah. 

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, Debbiejo said:

Benson is a NYPD Captain who makes a 6 figure salary.  Why are she and Noah staying in a creepy Motel 8…… aren’t there any Hampton Inn type chains ?  So ridiculous..  and what 12 year old boy still had his mother constantly calling him sweetheart????

I guess they couldn't get Hampton Inn as a product placement, maybe the promo fee was astronomical.  Motel 8 is a national chain Isn't? If it is then, she can sue the national chain for a ton a money, right? I thought they had Noah acting like a 5 year old which made it creepy, because I thought they were going to have his half brother, sexually harassing him like another kid did in a previous stupid episode where Noah was deciding if he was straight, bi, or gay.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, Diana Berry said:

Carisi said he was going to have the real wedding at his mother’s place , I believe.

Carisi is too Catholic to be satisfied with just a court house wedding.  He is going to insist on having their union blessed by the Church at a later date.  

[TakomaSnark]

Why am I not surprised that Amanda's exit episode ended up being all about Benson/Noah melodrama?

[TV Diva Queen]

Where did Noah's half brother live?  She said it was an hour away, are there no hotels an hour away from NYC that aren't a roadside motor inn?  and I'm sorry - but letting Noah sleep at a strangers house for at least two nights was INSANE!  

[Xeliou66]

4 hours ago, dttruman said:

I thought this was sort of a "deja vu" set up on a terrible premise. Why is this police brutality charge (for throwing the walkie talkie at him) even considered in this trial, it's so ludicrous. The "deja vu" part as I call it, reminds me of when Cassidy goes nuts on the stand (from Chasing Demons) is even more absurd. Muncy has had to have been undercover a lot with that gang task force, so she should know how to keep a cool head, but she conveniently loses it here. Just another well timed character assassination  to push this weak premise thru.

Yeah the whole thing was just stupid. It was just unbelievable that Muncy would be so emotionally immature and couldn’t handle being cross examined. They really don’t know what to do with Muncy. 

5 minutes ago, TakomaSnark said:

Why am I not surprised that Amanda's exit episode ended up being all about Benson/Noah melodrama?

Exactly, even when a major character is leaving it’s still all about St Olivia and the wonder-brat. That was just terrible, not only do I hate all things Noah and get so sick of Benson playing super mommy and the constant drama surrounding Noah and St Olivia, but Rollins should’ve been the main focus of this episode, and instead it’s Noah. MH’s ego is so out of control that she can’t even let one episode go by that isn’t about her.

[TakomaSnark]

4 minutes ago, Xeliou66 said:

Exactly, even when a major character is leaving it’s still all about St Olivia and the wonder-brat. That was just terrible, not only do I hate all things Noah and get so sick of Benson playing super mommy and the constant drama surrounding Noah and St Olivia, but Rollins should’ve been the main focus of this episode, and instead it’s Noah. MH’s ego is so out of control that she can’t even let one episode go by that isn’t about her.

Also, did I miss something about the graffiti? I mean, graffiti sucks but why was Benson like, 'Oh my god. When did this graffiti happen?' like she spotted a dead body?

The whole episode was mess.

[Jackie14]

40 minutes ago, TakomaSnark said:

Also, did I miss something about the graffiti? I mean, graffiti sucks but why was Benson like, 'Oh my god. When did this graffiti happen?' like she spotted a dead body?

The whole episode was mess.

Maybe the graffiti is for the gang that will harass her in the promo for the next episode? She may have recognized it and it will make more sense then. Just guessing!

[TV Diva Queen]

10 minutes ago, Jackie14 said:

Maybe the graffiti is for the gang that will harass her in the promo for the next episode? She may have recognized it and it will make more sense then. Just guessing!

yeah.....that's what my 22 yo daughter said while she "watches" SVU with her phone in hand w tiktok.  lol  I guess this gang was in the show previously on a the show.  

[mommalib]

They should have highlighted Rollins relationship with Fin much more. He was basically her mentor and like a big rother to her. But of course everything has to be about Benson, somebody's ego is out of hand. 

[slowpoked]

1 hour ago, LtKelley said:

 I thought it was a reference to the B9something or other gang that has been mentioned on this and the other law and orders recently.

It looks like they're opening up 2023 with that issue based on the previews.

I actually like this episode, for a farewell to Rollins. They didn't put her through one last trauma (like what happens usually with most farewells), like getting shot and almost dying (I guess they did that earlier already this season, so they couldn't do it again.) Because they had been signaling her exit for awhile now, they didn't need to make this episode bombastic and explosive. 

I liked that she got her happy ending early in the episode, rather than the end, so that the back half could focus more on her and Olivia, and a one last case. I would have loved more scenes with Fin, since she was her first partner.

What I didn't like was that they have to shoehorn in Olivia drama still. I mean c'mon, why this just can't be about Rollins, and Olivia and her drama can take a backseat for one freaking episode? And of course she had to make Rollins leaving all about what it will do to her. 

I'll miss Rollins. I know she's not everyone's favorite character. But I sometimes liked how she's messed up, cleaned up, messed up again, cleaned up again, etc. And there were times she was a good foil to Liv, not just nodding along and worshipping everything St. Olivia did. The show will feel so different not seeing her starting next year.

[illdoc]

One last exit interview: https://tvline.com/2022/12/09/kelli-giddish-interview-law-and-order-svu-exit-rollins-leaving/

From the interview:  She says she knew she’d be leaving “before the season started, this year. We worked on this storyline together, and I think the last episode culminated the beautiful Rollins and Benson relationship, and we got to see Carisi and Rollins get married, which was such a treat.” (bolded mine. I think I'm going to throw up).

[slowpoked]

45 minutes ago, illdoc said:

One last exit interview: https://tvline.com/2022/12/09/kelli-giddish-interview-law-and-order-svu-exit-rollins-leaving/

From the interview:  She says she knew she’d be leaving “before the season started, this year. We worked on this storyline together, and I think the last episode culminated the beautiful Rollins and Benson relationship, and we got to see Carisi and Rollins get married, which was such a treat.” (bolded mine. I think I'm going to throw up).

But didn't Kelly confirm around August of last year that it wasn't her decision to leave, and that Mariska and other people fought for her to stay? It was a higher up decision to let go.

[The Wild Sow]

6 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Where did Noah's half brother live?  She said it was an hour away, are there no hotels an hour away from NYC that aren't a roadside motor inn? 

Woodstock, I think they said.  Roughly 2 or 2-1/2 hours from Manhattan. Woodstock's in the Catskills and there are plenty of hotels/motels there.

8 hours ago, dttruman said:

  Motel 8 is a national chain Isn't? If it is then, she can sue the national chain for a ton a money, right? I

I think it was some kind of mashup of Motel 6 (a low-end national chain) and Super 8 (just slightly higher on the low-end scale.)  No actual national chain wants to be associated with cameras in the mirrors!

I seem to recall an episode of Married With Children with this plot (yes, just looked it up - it was called "I'll See You in Court") - Peggy and Al attempt to spice up their love life by going to a motel (at neighbor Marcy's suggestion.)  They watch one of the porno tapes in the room - hey, it was 1990, back in the VHS days! - and it turns out to be a tape of Marcy & her husband Steve. The Bundys get recorded as well, and they all decide to sue the motel.

Spoiler

The outcome of the court case is, Marcy and Steve are awarded $10,000.00 for the invasion of privacy.  Al and Peggy, however, get nothing - since their tape only lasts a few seconds and the jury does not believe it counts as "sex"!

[januaryman]

Too bad they never brought back Henry Messner to finish off that dangling plot thread from two seasons ago. Unless MH wants him for herself.

There's no creative reason for this show to continue any more, but it will as long as someone keeps watching.

[Ms Blue Jay]

You guys are all so funny.  I could read the snarky comments all day.  LOL.

Is Muncy named after John Munch?  I just noticed the similarity in their names.

2 hours ago, slowpoked said:

But didn't Kelly confirm around August of last year that it wasn't her decision to leave, and that Mariska and other people fought for her to stay? It was a higher up decision to let go.

I definitely want the tea on why they got rid of her.  And is Muncy supposed to be the younger, hotter version to replace her?  Because that's so gross.  I'm not even a Kelli/Rollins fan by ANY means but the treatment of her by the show feels disgusting.

[Xeliou66]

3 minutes ago, januaryman said:

Too bad they never brought back Henry Messner to finish off that dangling plot thread from two seasons ago. Unless MH wants him for herself.

There's no creative reason for this show to continue any more, but it will as long as someone keeps watching.

Yeah Henry was one of the best villains of modern day SVU, he was actually creepy, unlike the majority of SVU villains now who are forgettable, interchangeable, run of the mill privileged scum. I liked that they brought him back and I wouldn’t mind seeing him again, who knows, we might, and Rollins could return for a guest spot if there’s no hard feelings between the actress and the SVU higher ups.

This show could be good, it has potential and there are still plenty of good storylines they could do, it’s MH that’s the problem, her ego is out of control and she demands that Benson be front and center the whole time. So the show focuses more on her and her soapy drama and shoves a ton of Benson worship down our throats to the point where the show is stale and predictable. If it wasn’t for her ego and immense power over the show, the show would be pretty good IMO, and not just a shell of itself.

[wknt3]

10 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

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 13 hours ago, wknt3 said:

followed by a reception with Noah (???!!!) but not her own kids

Her kids were at the reception.  They were sitting at a table near Noah. 

Oops! I guess that's just another example of what SVU has taught us about the the difficulties of relying on eye witness testimony about traumatic events.

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Carisi is too Catholic to be satisfied with just a court house wedding.  He is going to insist on having their union blessed by the Church at a later date.  

But will the Church be satisfied with blessing a wedding to Rollins? I know Priests who bless same sex unions who would say that officiating this wedding is a bridge too far...

Edited December 9, 2022 by wknt3

[dttruman]

17 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

17 hours ago, januaryman said:

Too bad they never brought back Henry Messner to finish off that dangling plot thread from two seasons ago. Unless MH wants him for herself.

There's no creative reason for this show to continue any more, but it will as long as someone keeps watching.

Yeah Henry was one of the best villains of modern day SVU, he was actually creepy, unlike the majority of SVU villains now who are forgettable, interchangeable, run of the mill privileged scum. I liked that they brought him back and I wouldn’t mind seeing him again, who knows, we might, and Rollins could return for a guest spot if there’s no hard feelings between the actress and the SVU higher ups.

I would like to see 2 or 3 of the SVU's riches and most powerful villains they have put away, work together and they use Henry Messner as a pawn to bring down Benson and the whole SVU team

Edited December 10, 2022 by dttruman

[Aileen]

7 hours ago, Jackie14 said:

Maybe the graffiti is for the gang that will harass her in the promo for the next episode? She may have recognized it and it will make more sense then. Just guessing!

Yes, it's the BX9 gang...the ones that killed the father on the subway earlier this season.

[CheshireCat]

53 minutes ago, wknt3 said:

But will the Church be satisfied with blessing a wedding to Rollins? I know Priests who bless same sex unions who would say that officiating this wedding is a bridge too far...

I know that the Catholic church in Germany has conditions, like raising your children in the Catholic faith if one of the spouses is not Catholic. Don't know if it's the same in the US but I doubt Rollins would go for any of that.

12 hours ago, Debbiejo said:

 and what 12 year old boy still had his mother constantly calling him sweetheart????

My parents still use my nickname and I'm way older than 12 🤷‍♀️

[Lukeysboat]

Did I miss it (I don’t think I did) or did Benson not open her present? I thought it was going to be something really cheesy but then never saw what it was. Irritates me. 

[The Wild Sow]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Is Muncy named after John Munch?  I just noticed the similarity in their names.

Ha ha - Muncy is the name of one of PA's  women's prisons!   If someone says "oh, she went up to Muncy" everybody knows what they mean!

2 hours ago, Xeliou66 said:

Too bad they never brought back Henry Messner to finish off that dangling plot thread from two seasons ago.

Right! That last scene, basically the showdown between Amanda and Henry - just that look on his face.  It was like, "Oh oh -- Young Henry's in Luuuuuuvvvvv!"

Then again, nobody needs William Lewis redux.

[gesundheit]

I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would, since thankfully the wedding (and that entirely hideous dress) was over before the opening credits. I did like giving the girls one last hurrah, it made sense -- Olivia is the lead character and she was considerably less saintly in this one. I don't like Amanda so I expected to hate every second, but it was kind of cute finding a way to get them wine-drunk together out of town. (And gave them an excuse to do a little fan service for the shippers who want to hear what Olivia says about Elliott after a few glasses. I'm not one of them, but they are legion and need to be fed!)

That said -- listen, Giddish and Hargitay are both beautiful women but using them as honey pots time and time again has really been a stretch for a while now. And it always works like a charm. And I continue to laugh at Amanda being a professor at a major university. I'm sad that they wouldn't free Carisi, but at least they'll free him from her in on-screen scenes.

Are they bringing in someone new? If not, that's going to be really annoying to have Muncy as the only other woman on the show -- clearly a loose-cannon undisciplined immature type to further demonstrate Olivia's Ideal Woman.

We better get more Fin now that they have more time to fill.

What was all that focus on the pie? I expected some big reveal. Very bizarre. 

23 hours ago, dttruman said:

Why is Noah still acting like a 5 year old? 

And his brother does too! Guess it runs in the bloodline. 

[Diana Berry]

On 12/9/2022 at 11:09 AM, Jackie14 said:

Maybe the graffiti is for the gang that will harass her in the promo for the next episode? She may have recognized it and it will make more sense then. Just guessing!

I’m guessing that Noah will end up spending time with Stepford family.  Liv is recuperating thus leaving her some alone time with Stabler.

Other thought half bro will end up being creepy.  He will end up doing something in Liv’s district this being charged by her team.  Noah will have a breakdown.  I could go on. 

[Route66]

2 hours ago, Diana Berry said:

I’m guessing that Noah will end up spending time with Stepford family.  Liv is recuperating thus leaving her some alone time with Stabler.

Other thought half bro will end up being creepy.  He will end up doing something in Liv’s district this being charged by her team.  Noah will have a breakdown.  I could go on. 

I thought 100% when she went to pick him up that they'd be gone with the brother having kidnapped him or otherwise convinced him to go somewhere with him. 

[dttruman]

1 hour ago, Route66 said:

3 hours ago, Diana Berry said:

I’m guessing that Noah will end up spending time with Stepford family.  Liv is recuperating thus leaving her some alone time with Stabler.

Other thought half bro will end up being creepy.  He will end up doing something in Liv’s district this being charged by her team.  Noah will have a breakdown.  I could go on. 

I thought 100% when she went to pick him up that they'd be gone with the brother having kidnapped him or otherwise convinced him to go somewhere with him. 

Yeah, I can see that happening.

[Diana Berry]

3 hours ago, dttruman said:

Yeah, I can see that happening.

They brought this family in for some reason.  They could be truly perfect. Noah wants to get close to his bro.  Begs Liv to let him live with that family.  Liv realizes him   living in  the suburbs may be better, safer for him .Thus also another way to get Liv out of maternal mode so she can focus on Stabler. 

Edited December 10, 2022 by Diana Berry

[WendyCR72]

No offense to you awesome people, but absolutely none of these scenarios sound remotely appealing!