S19.E12: Finale Part 2

[Lamb18]

This seems kind of desperate, to hook people in for The Bachelor months before it airs.

[b2H]

So they are repeating the preliminary introductions of some of the women.  They have done this before.  Good Heavens.

[dizzyd]

So that’s the interactive part! FIR! Not a cruise ticket lol. 

 I remember the last time they did this Dean told Rachel he heard once you go black you never go back. 😬

Edited September 21, 2022 by dizzyd

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 hours ago, Riplet68 said:

Yeah...Jesse just gave away Rachels storyline tonight

I always record the show and FF the stuff in studio parts.

[Riplet68]

This may be the first bachelor season I watch from the beginning.  I've always enjoyed the Bachelorette more than the bachelor.  I like Zach, I just hope he isn't boring and they don't give him a bunch of psychos.

[Stats Queen]

The Bachelor Franchise and ABC owe me three things:

1. A free cruise

2. An opportunity to vote for who will be the next bachelor.

3. many wasted hours of my time back.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Stats Queen

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Tell her to break up with me? Just dump her and move on, dude.

I don't think he was allowed.

[Kiss my mutt]

Maybe having America vote will catch on. It can’t go any worse. 

[phlebas]

If ABC loved us, they would let us pick who to vote out after Fantasy Suites.... and every week of BiP

[DEL901]

1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I always record the show and FF the stuff in studio parts.

You have to at least watch part of Rachel grilling Tino yet refusing to actually listen to him to the point people were feeling sorry for him. 

[Amy Beth]

1 minute ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Maybe having America vote will catch on. It can’t go any worse. 

They vote do it, because they like to keep the villains around, but America should get vote who to get rid of during the season.

They can call it “America’s Thorn”.

[dizzyd]

I vote for Brooklyn to be on BiP. Everyone has a B name. They just want to confuse us more right. Maybe they’re going alphabetically. Cat sounds like Rachel. I like Bailey and Christina. Wonder if Christina is related to Barbara Mandrell. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by dizzyd

[Kiss my mutt]

Why did they sound go out when Brooklyn was talking? Was she cussing or giving away something.  I gave up Twitter but my husband said he’d vote for me. Lol

#notcat

Edited September 21, 2022 by Kiss my mutt

[DEL901]

The first woman stole that swearing and then swearing again bit from Love, Actually.  

[tennisgurl]

Feet shots. Sexy? 

[Stats Queen]

How to remember Bailey’s name is more original than mine.

I tell people, my name is Janet so wherever you say Damn it, think of me.

[Kiss my mutt]

Is Christina related to the Mandrell sisters? She looks like Barbara. 

[Lamb18]

Zach's showing the most interest in Bailey, asking her questions, and she interrupts him to say her memorized lines.

Is Cat the villainness for next season?

[DEL901]

3 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Why did they sound go out when Brooklyn was talking? Was she cussing or giving away something.  I gave up Twitter but my husband said he’d vote for me. Lol

Oh, wasn’t that shown in the US?   No bleeping in Canada.   She said shit. Then she giggled and said she couldn’t believe she said shit.   Totally stolen from Love, Actually.  

Edited September 21, 2022 by DEL901

[Lamb18]

2 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Why did they sound go out when Brooklyn was talking? Was she cussing or giving away something.  I gave up Twitter but my husband said he’d vote for me. Lol

#notcat

I thought that was just my Fubo cutting out.

[Kiss my mutt]

Just now, DEL901 said:

Oh, wasn’t that shown in the US!  She said shit. Then she giggled and said she couldn’t believe she said shit.   Totally stolen from Love, Actually.  

Thanks, I didn’t know if there were technical difficulties. 

[dizzyd]

4 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

Oh, wasn’t that shown in the US?   No bleeping in Canada.   She said shit. Then she giggled and said she couldn’t believe she said shit.   Totally stolen from Love, Actually.  

Yeah was censored. And I was right. Send her straight to BiP. And yes Cat for villain, she already had her cat claws out. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by dizzyd

[Lamb18]

He seemed the most interested in Bailey. 

I'll vote for the cat that is sticking out his tongue.

[Stats Queen]

1 minute ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Is Christina related to the Mandrell sisters? She looks like Barbara. 

My quick Google search - she is the daughter of Irlene Mandrell, the younger sister of Barbara and Louise Mandrell.

[DEL901]

1 minute ago, dizzyd said:

Yeah was censored. And I was right. Send her straight to BiP. 

Our censor isn’t as strict.  During the Emmys, they didn’t even censor  Brett Goldstein’s F-bomb. 

[Kiss my mutt]

3 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

My quick Google search - she is the daughter of Irlene Mandrell, the younger sister of Barbara and Louise Mandrell.

Wow! I had a feeling! Thanks for looking that up. 👍

I voted for her. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by Kiss my mutt

[Lamb18]

Jesse and Zach are wearing the same outfit, practically.

Is there going to be an America's vote each week like on Dancing with the Stars?

[Stats Queen]

America speaks based on Twitter.

Seriously, businesses, politicians and the Bachelor Franchise deciding the Twitter speaks for America - just a big no, mu post people avoid Twitter at all costs.

That being said, either Brianna or Christina would have been my vote.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Stats Queen

[Melonie77]

16 minutes ago, Lamb18 said:

This seems kind of desperate, to hook people in for The Bachelor months before it airs.

They've done this before....started the next season early and had the next bach/bachette meet some of the contestants on the after-the-final-rose show.

Reality Steve said they already had the ladies cast and squared away before picking Zach. I wonder if they made some changes and found some younger women for him.

I don't think any of the women are very pretty with the exception of the one who brought the booze.

[dizzyd]

This is going to be a batch of really really younguns since he’s only 25. I expect a lot of behavioral traits that will make me roll my eyes. 

Edited September 21, 2022 by dizzyd

[Jaundiced Eye]

2 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

That being said, either Brianna or Christina would have been my vote.

I agree. Those are the two I liked the most as well. That Cat gave me the shudders. If she isn't gone the first night, I'm calling producer interference.

[DEL901]

2 minutes ago, Lamb18 said:

Is there going to be an America's vote each week like on Dancing with the Stars?

Would be fun, but filming will be complete weeks/months before the first episode even airs. Filming starts this Monday, so it probably finishes in November.  

[GracieK]

Ok first of all I hated Tino all season and still do. He’s an inarticulate douchebag and I had no idea what Rachel ever saw in him. And cheating is selfish and demeaning and unacceptable. Much like Rachel’s treatment of her men all season. Rachel is a brat. She’s self centered - truly seems to think everything should revolve around her. Her parents raised her that way. I have no doubt she said high maintenance and bitchy things like I should just give you the ring back.. or why don’t you just become the next bachelor. The way Tino had to KEEP acknowledging just how hard Rachel had it as the lead and how much pressure she was under that she just needed to be coddled and sleep in her own bed and be left alone but also constantly bathed in attention and love. Someone like that will beat you down and Tino definitely looked completely beaten down.  Rachel showed that she can’t handle even the slightest disappointment or adversity her entire season - when someone shows you who they are.. believe them. Tino probably kept having resentment toward her behavior, went out to blow off steam, got drunk and kissed another woman because he was being hateful in response to dealing with her. But he couldn’t say any of that obviously. So grovel it is. 
 

Zach has dork energy but he seems kind and I like him. 

[Kiss my mutt]

Zach looks older than 26, more like, 32-34. The first impression girl looked extremely young compared to him. 
 

6 minutes ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

I agree. Those are the two I liked the most as well. That Cat gave me the shudders. If she isn't gone the first night, I'm calling producer interference.

Cat looked damned near 40 compared to the other girls. 

[tinkerbell]

Rachel is awful. Her hate-glare at Tino was so intense. The man she said she loved and wanted to marry.

He apologized, she didn't like the words he used, so she belittled him in a condescending tone.  

Sorry, I know everyone has moved on, I'm watching it on a delay.  I don't like the way the show treated Tino. He screwed up, he apologized,  he's treated like the worst guy in the world. And the audience was prepped to go apeshit when Aven came on. Cruel that he took off with Rachel while Tino was still there.

[Melonie77]

Did Jesse just cut Zach off because he was insinuating Rachel was not honest with him?

[Katie111]

Was that Rachel on BIP?  Do we think she is just visiting the beach or is she an actual contestant?  I really hope it’s not the latter.  

[Jaundiced Eye]

6 minutes ago, Katie111 said:

Was that Rachel on BIP?  Do we think she is just visiting the beach or is she an actual contestant?  I really hope it’s not the latter.  

I hope she's just visiting. I absolutely would not watch the show if she were on it. I never thought I'd see a Bachelorette who made me think Andi (Dorfman?) wasn't so bad. Rachel is orders of magnitude worse.

[nickp1991]

Sooner or later Grandpa John is going to get caught with four hookers

[tennisgurl]

Kind of a cute idea, but maybe not great to waste first impression rose on someone who Zach didn’t even choose. It’s not a great…first impression?

[DEL901]

13 minutes ago, Katie111 said:

Was that Rachel on BIP?  Do we think she is just visiting the beach or is she an actual contestant?  I really hope it’s not the latter.  

Just a guest, I am sure, since it was filmed months ago and she was still berating Tino then. 

[Katie111]

Any guesses on what the “issues” were that Tino and Rachel were alluding to in their fight?  Seems like they both agreed that they didn’t want them discussed on TV so makes me wonder what they were.  Also, they were bad enough that at least she was in therapy.  Was it just the usual, he’s jealous watching the show when it airs, or something more deep than that? 

[Jaundiced Eye]

Just now, Katie111 said:

Any guesses on what the “issues” were that Tino and Rachel were alluding to in their fight?  Seems like they both agreed that they didn’t want them discussed on TV so makes me wonder what they were.  Also, they were bad enough that at least she was in therapy.  Was it just the usual, he’s jealous watching the show when it airs, or something more deep than that? 

Rachel's borderline personality disorder? I know it's mean, but that's what popped into my head.

[maggiemae]

How fakey was it for Aven to enter at that exact moment? 

Let alone get the access to enter the stage to do so?

[gwen747]

I think Rachel opened the Friends time machine and when she woke up she found herself in Season 3. I wonder if the girl Tino kissed works at the copy place. 

[dizzyd]

1 hour ago, EarlGreyTea said:

Forget the cheating scandal, address the blackface! That's the bigger issue.

Erich had not publicly addressed the cheating scandal but he had addressed the blackface pic which was from a costume party where he was dressed like his idol Jimi Hendrix. He apologized for it and like Rachel from Matt’s season, it was an old pic from a high school yearbook 15 years ago when he was a kid and didn’t know better and realizes it was a mistake. Gabby is willing to forgive him like Matt forgave Rachel and hopes that her partner has grown and learned from his past mistakes.

We’ll see with time how strong this relationship is. If they were able to weather the 2 months separation bubble, 2 scandals and another 2 months of DWTS, that bodes well for them. I like their chemistry, it seems as natural as can be with cameras on you all the time and they seem like they try to communicate and are willing to work for the relationship and know that it’s going to be difficult. So let’s see. I’d like them to make it. But I said that about Michelle and Nayte too. 

[Back Atcha]

1 hour ago, Jaundiced Eye said:

Rachel's borderline personality disorder? I know it's mean, but that's what popped into my head.

I'll go with that. She just can't let a conversation go!  She will "misunderstand" what Tino says...contradict things he even wrote.  I don't know why Tino (is that his name) didn't just walk away.  Does his contract REQUIRE that he be humiliated?  Let's see a conversation between Tino and Zach.  Are WE required to think of Rachel as some saint whom "he done her wrong"?  This trainwreck was a trainwreck...making Jesse Palmer's Inquisition look creepier than ever.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Back Atcha

[Back Atcha]

57 minutes ago, dizzyd said:

So let’s see. I’d like them to make it. But I said that about Michelle and Nayte too.

YIKES!!!   I don't watch regularly or read much of the online stuff.  Is THAT the couple that got the down payment on a house?  Who gets custody??

[Back Atcha]

What does "Bachelor Nation" expect the viewers to think?  Are we supposed to be sad that Spoiled Rachel's heart was broken because Tino "kissed a girl"?  I wouldn't want to even get into a discussion with Rachel, let alone an argument.  She is an EXCELLENT combatant; no one will ever win because she won't concede a point that is obvious.  This was NOT easy to watch...even with a lot of fast-forwarding.  Really, does Jesse think she's some kind of heroine?

Notice her father sitting there getting madder and more upset by the minute?  He raised an entitled princess and he'll go on blaming everyone else--just like St. Rachel.

[Melonie77]

13 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I don't think he was allowed.

So, I did fall asleep when the Kardashians appeared and didn't wake up until Rachel and Tino were arguing at the Unhappy House.
I just went back and watched what I missed and I still don't really know what happened.

I agree with everyone that Rachel was just horrible. I called her out for being a selfish narcissist at the beginning of the season but now I think she's a nasty bully too.
Yes, Tino is no angel but she is really slamming him. She seems highly indignant that he didn't worship her to the degree that she demands. Yuck!

What I don't get is Tino's side.
It sounded to me like he wasn't able to tell his story completely because he was being prevented from speaking about certain parts.
Did anyone else notice this? 
For example, what issues was Princess Rachel dealing with that put her in such a bad place. A place that made it difficult to focus on the relationship?
She said it had nothing to do with Tino.
Does anyone know what Rachel was supposedly dealing with after the show?
And why was she seeing a therapist? I don't blame Tino for being confused.
I'm not a psychologist but I know that narcissists are often delusional and believe their own versions of 'the truth'.
Bringing Aven out felt like the show was 'handling' Rachel. 
 

11 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

Notice her father sitting there getting madder and more upset by the minute?  He raised an entitled princess and he'll go on blaming everyone else--just like St. Rachel.

I wonder what Tino's dad will have to say about all of this. His son's reputation was trashed on national tv. I would imagine he is mad as heck.

Edited September 21, 2022 by Melonie77