Bad Sisters - General Discussion

[AngieBee1]

I can see it being Blánaid. Perhaps her telling Eva in episode one that she would tell friends that he died in his sleep was not (just) because of his death being embarrassing (that erection has to mean something), but because she directly or indirectly had something to do with his death and the sisters are trying to shield her 

[MBayGal]

12 hours ago, chocolatine said:

That taxidermy basement was creepy enough on its own even without George in the freezer. I wonder if he had been as abusive to Minna as JP is to Grace, and one day Minna snapped and killed him.

I thought JP killed his father, tho I don't know why he would--but that was my reaction when i saw George in the freezer.  Minna said JP goes into the basement all the time.  I hope Becca gets out of there before JP shows up!!

[abbyzenn]

That basement was super creepy.  I too thought it was JP that killed his father since he's the one that goes down there but maybe his mother did it and JP hid the body in the basement so his mother wouldn't be charged (although we haven't seen JP being kind to his mother).

[Paws]

8 hours ago, MicheleinPhilly said:

At this point I'm hoping it was Blanaid. 

She said something this episode that made me think it would be her…but now I cant remember what it was 

[Clawdette]

When Blanaid saw her father with Becca, she was beyond disgusted. So kudos to her if she did the deed. 

But it would be hysterical if the rat turd offed himself accidentally.  Maybe an overdose of Viagra combined with something else. I so hope that’s what the autopsy reveals. 

[Cementhead]

I've also suspected the killer could be mild-mannered neighbour Roger who is clearly smitten with Grace.   Perhaps some violent scenario between Grace and JP plays out and Roger annoyingly shows up again (from JP's standpoint) and saves the day. 

I just keep thinking there must be a reason why the writers kept having him repeatedly dropping over uninvited so often.  Apart from being highly entertaining for the viewer because it annoyed the ever loving shit out of JP, perhaps there is another plot reason for it.  Maybe he gets things cleared up with the police and is released from custody just in time to show up and save Grace from JP.

And then maybe he and Grace live happily ever after.  The End.  Or maybe not.  lol. 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Cementhead

[chocolatine]

On 9/23/2022 at 11:13 AM, MBayGal said:

I thought JP killed his father, tho I don't know why he would--but that was my reaction when i saw George in the freezer.  Minna said JP goes into the basement all the time.  I hope Becca gets out of there before JP shows up!!

I rewatched that scene, and Minna said that about George, not JP. She said that he used to hate the basement, but now he's there all the time.

[Ceindreadh]

14 hours ago, chocolatine said:

I rewatched that scene, and Minna said that about George, not JP. She said that he used to hate the basement, but now he's there all the time.

I thought Minna started out by saying George and then said JP.  She could have meant either of them, given her confusion.

Count me in on the Blanaid as the killer (whether deliberate or accidental) train.  Mainly because I can see the sisters banding together to protect her.

Anybody else think that JP will end up dying in the freezer?

[Avabelle]

This show is brilliant. I’m really enjoying it! 

[Avabelle]

For someone who apparently doesn’t want her husband to find out about the affair Ursula sure isn’t shy with public displays of affection with her bit on the side. 

[MaggieG]

On 9/26/2022 at 6:24 PM, Avabelle said:

For someone who apparently doesn’t want her husband to find out about the affair Ursula sure isn’t shy with public displays of affection with her bit on the side. 

And then he walks her into the hospital (we know he went inside because JP saw him walking out) where her husband works. Not very smart Ursula. 

[aghst]

JP is not a killer but he might let you die.

He certainly lies easily and does it plausibly so people like Gerald and Gabriel believe him.

The freezing him to death plot is the dumbest one yet.  Someone has to lock him in the freezer so it’s going to raise all kinds of suspicion.  Becka has been in that house a lot and left fingerprints all over the basement, on that key, inside the freezer.

Then the sister probably left fingerprints, hair, clothes fibers down there too.

If not her the suspicion would fall to Minna, which Becka wouldn’t want either.

They ruled out turning him in too easily.  Maybe Grace would still stand by him, wait for him, but turning him in would still be better than murder.

JP makes enemies all the time, getting punched by both Gabriel and Ben.  Roger and Blanid were giving him the evil eye too, this ep.

How is it that he keeps getting away with the lies?

Or that he hasn’t gotten a bigger beating?

[chocolatine]

Is it possible that it wasn't JP whom Becka locked into the freezer room? He got beaten up on the way, so it's possible he didn't complete the shopping trip, and it was actually Minna who went down into the basement. As far as I recall, Minna wasn't at JP's funeral in the first episode. It could be because the sisters didn't tell her that he died (it's not advised to tell a dementia patient of a loved one's death), but it could also be because Minna died before JP.

[Paws]

Oh I’m convinced it’s Minna in there…or at the very least, it’s not JP. He wouldn’t just knock to be let out..he’d be crashing into the door. From the very beginning the biggest risk in the plan was getting themselves or someone else locked in there. 

im starting to think Blanaid or even one of Ursulas kids offs the prick. In the Film strip thing where they go back and forth there was a pause on one of ursulas kids.
 

[abbyzenn]

My first thought was that it wasn't JP that came into the basement but who else would go down there?   Didn't Minna say she never went down there?  I'd never go there - at least not while all those dead animals were in there.  Clever way to have JP's father die.  The sisters should have turned in JP for hiding the body in the freezer - maybe he'd have been blamed for the death.

So the autopsy after digging JP up was inconclusive.  

Too bad about JP turning Gabriel against Eva.  He really is a dirt bag.

[chocolatine]

3 hours ago, abbyzenn said:

Didn't Minna say she never went down there?

Maybe she made an exception because she wanted to show George her new nose piercing.

Edited September 30, 2022 by chocolatine

[aghst]

But who else knew about the where the key to the locker was other than JP, Becka and the sisters?

Also, if that was Minna who got locked into the freezer overnight, Becka would be looking morose in the present-day scenes, unless Minna somehow survived.

Instead she's looking to jump Matthew's bones every chance she gets.

Only 2 episodes left.

At this point, they may show how JP died but they won't resolve the pursuit by the Claffins this season.

Or maybe they don't even show JP's demise.  Maybe the show runner is tempted to keep featuring the character and the actor who plays JP.

[Avabelle]

The Ursula affair plot is really starting to grate. Granted I usually hate these kind of plots. She just comes off like an asshole. She’s apparently scared about the hubby finding out yet she’s kissing him and holding hands all over town. She won’t commit to the bit on the side because she’s worried the husband will get nasty and she’ll lose the kids? The kids she rarely sees because she’s either working, meeting the bit on the side of plotting the pricks death…

It feels like we’re meant to be rooting for them and think she’s being the selfless hero when really it’s the total opposite. 

Edited October 1, 2022 by Avabelle

[chocolatine]

13 minutes ago, Avabelle said:

The Ursula affair plot is really starting to great. Granted I usually hate these kind of plots. She just comes off like an asshole. She’s apparently scared about the hubby finding out yet she’s kissing him and holding hands all over town. She won’t commit to the bit on the side because she’s worried the husband will get nasty and she’ll lose the kids? The kids she rarely sees because she’s either working, meeting the bit on the side of plotting the pricks death…

It feels like we’re meant to be rooting for them and think she’s being the selfless hero when really it’s the total opposite. 

Agreed. If the genders were reversed, and a male character were screwing around on his sweet, loving wife while she took care of their three children, nobody would sympathize with him.

[AngieBee1]

Also, if that was Minna who got locked into the freezer overnight, Becka would be looking morose. True. But she did cry at JP's funeral. Maybe because she was thinking back to how Minna was caught in the crossfire. It would be fitting as we've seen a pet lose their life, a man lose his eye and Eva lose Gabriel all in the pursuit of killing JP. 

[anniebird]

Is it possible that it’s Ursula’s boyfriend who’s locked in the freezer? He was following JP at one point.

[Avabelle]

He was at JPs funeral so it’s not the bit on the side.

[Ceindreadh]

I think I'm going to have to rewatch the first episode before we get to the finale, just to see if there's any clues in it. 

I also may need to pay more attention to the opening credits and see what they haven't used from them yet (we've got the fake animal eye, a watermelon, archery trophies, and there's a lot of little things which may or may not be relevant)

I actually laughed out loud when they used the 'What we do in the Shadows' theme for the closing credits! 

[Avabelle]

I think Gerald might have something to do with it 

[FlowerofCarnage]

I think JP rescues Minna and decides to put her in a home after because she could have discovered George's body. As for her not being at the funeral, she could be so upset with JP putting her away that she refuses to go. 

[gesundheit]

On 9/30/2022 at 4:22 PM, chocolatine said:

Maybe she made an exception because she wanted to show George her new nose piercing.

Good call -- I definitely think that's going to come back up in some way, but maybe it'll just be more JP fury. But it was there for a reason, for sure. Too specific a plot point to just be inconsequential.

21 hours ago, Avabelle said:

The Ursula affair plot is really starting to grate. Granted I usually hate these kind of plots. She just comes off like an asshole. She’s apparently scared about the hubby finding out yet she’s kissing him and holding hands all over town. She won’t commit to the bit on the side because she’s worried the husband will get nasty and she’ll lose the kids? The kids she rarely sees because she’s either working, meeting the bit on the side of plotting the pricks death…

It feels like we’re meant to be rooting for them and think she’s being the selfless hero when really it’s the total opposite. 

The show's gone out of its way to make it very clear that her husband is a really good man, meanwhile depicting Ursula off continuing her affair whilst plotting a (now) slow, painful murder. I don't think we're supposed to find her selfless at all! Just messy as hell.

[lidarose9]

I love this show! But people are repeatedly doing really stupid things, not the least of which is Ursula and her affair. Natch, these women are not strategic murder planners but the writer(s) are asking us to accept a lot of gaping plot holes. Wouldn't a doctor determine the man had been shot by a frozen pea after not finding any actual paint in the guy's eye and instead a mushy pea? And why didn't the roofie knock out JP if Ursula is a nurse and was in charge of the drug? And you'd think someone would realize it was not a good idea to follow JP down to the marina where they would be recorded on CCTV if not actually seen by a witness? So many things.

I'm guessing that nose piercing will play some role in next week's events. Checkov's nose ring.

[aghst]

Yeah Ursula's affair doesn't have the usual tropes, like Donal ignoring her, maybe being cruel, maybe being a drunk.

And she's unwilling to cut it off, only coming up with, "I could lose the kids."

Maybe she felt desired, wanted for the first time in however long.  That she was willing to send sexts even though she's of a certain age is suppose to suggest she's over the moon?

Or the affair is a convenient vehicle to show another example of JP's villainy and a motive for why Ursula would sign on to the plot.

Seems like they didn't really game out this scenario.

[Ceindreadh]

@lidarose9 I think that the frozen peas just gave BiBi the idea to freeze the paint gun pellets. 

By the time the wound would have been examined, the pellet would have defrosted and looked like normal. 

[gesundheit]

10 hours ago, aghst said:

Yeah Ursula's affair doesn't have the usual tropes, like Donal ignoring her, maybe being cruel, maybe being a drunk.

And she's unwilling to cut it off, only coming up with, "I could lose the kids."

Maybe she felt desired, wanted for the first time in however long.  That she was willing to send sexts even though she's of a certain age is suppose to suggest she's over the moon?

Or the affair is a convenient vehicle to show another example of JP's villainy and a motive for why Ursula would sign on to the plot.

Seems like they didn't really game out this scenario.

This is all what I like about it. She's doing something wrong and there's no good justification. 

[MaggieG]

I'm also wondering who was in the freezer if it wasn't JP. I know they're keeping us in suspense until next week but I'm a little annoyed that Becka didn't check the freezer in the morning to make sure JP (or whoever was in there) had died.

[sadie]

Sorry if someone already mentioned but the thing I’m enjoying the least is how they’ve written JP. I get he’s a jerk and treats their sister bad but he is literally a villain 100% of the time with everyone he interacts with. I don’t like one dimensional characters and JP might be the most one dimensional character ever. It just detracts, for me, from my enjoyment with the show.

[aghst]

They are doing a lot of work to justify the hate that the sisters have for JP.

Even Blanid seems to hate him and even his own mother doesn't seem to be that fond of him either.

So yeah, maybe it's one-note.  He got punched twice in the last episode?  He has a punchable face.

Because if you make him the least bit sympathetic, then the sisters plotting to kill him are monstrous.  They have to make the argument that not only is JP horrible in every possible way, he's actively harming or ruining the lives of Grace and Blanid.

[twoods]

I feel at this point I’m ffing unnecessary plots to get to the main stuff of how that asshole was killed. I don’t care about Ursula’s stupid affair and angst, JP continues to be an ass to everyone including his poor wife, and Becka and Matthew do bring the pretty to the show but him working with his brother is getting tiresome. Even Blanaid is annoying because her name makes me think of a bandaid and I just can’t. 

[aghst]

So Roger and Ben were nearby, though did Ben know bout the cabin?

Ursula told him if JP was gone, they could continue their affair — but did she tell him it was over otherwise like she was supposedly going to do, because Bibi was skeptical.

Becka was anguished about Minna dying for about 2 minutes.  How would Minna get into the freezer when the key was still in that mounted animal moutH?  Becka certainly doesn’t seem to be grieving when she’s flirting with Matt.

The sisters didn’t think to snap photos when They scoped out The freezer and want to do it after Minna’s death?

How do the Claffins have any income if they’re not getting commissions on the policies their father supposedly underwrote?  Are they living off the full premiums?

Just a lot of details don’t add up.  Obviously Thomas is wrong that the sisters kill the Prick.

Eva didn’t have an answer when told that the clients smelled alcohol on her.

Why did they act guilty though?  They tried to kill him but they didn’t actually commit murder — in fact he may not have been murdered at all.

Looks like if there is a second season, it will be about them evading suspicion, covering up their tracks?  But the Claffin business is on the verge of ruin and nobody else seems to have suspicions or have interest in going after 5(em.

Maybe Minna’s autopsy will raise suspicions and they will also find George’s remains.  JP probably left evidence on the suitcase and all those animal eyeballs.

[chocolatine]

57 minutes ago, twoods said:

I don’t care about Ursula’s stupid affair and angst

I think in this episode, the affair served to show that (1) Ursula didn't kill JP, and (2) Ben may have killed him. But otherwise I agree, not a good storyline.

9 minutes ago, aghst said:

Obviously Thomas is wrong that the sisters kill the Prick.

It's still possible that Bibi or Becka killed him. Bibi was running in the woods at night, and Becka had dirt on her shoes when she and Eva were in their hotel room in the morning. Only Eva and Ursula seemed to have slept through the night without going anywhere.

[Paws]

Where was Blanaid on the night of JPs death? Did they say where she was? Her parents were alone.and her aunts weren’t watching her,  She has no living grandparents so she wasn’t with any of them. Did she do it? 

[chocolatine]

30 minutes ago, Paws said:

Where was Blanaid on the night of JPs death? Did they say where she was? Her parents were alone.and her aunts weren’t watching her,  She has no living grandparents so she wasn’t with any of them. Did she do it? 

That's an interesting theory, but I doubt she would have been able to get to Wicklow on her own. Most likely scenario is that she was staying at a friend's house for the weekend.

I really hope it was Rodger who killed JP. JP was a jerk to everyone, but Roger had done nothing but be nice to him and his family. It's not hard to believe that JP's condescending remark about forgiveness was the last straw for him.

And I hope it wasn't Ben since it wouldn't feel earned - JP never messed with him directly, only with Ursula, and I doubt that Ben is *that* much in love with her to commit a murder for her.

Edited October 7, 2022 by chocolatine

[Avabelle]

I think the show has lost me. The death of Minna just seems a bit … too far. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Avabelle

[aghst]

There's been a lot of collateral damage.

So they're hard to identify with, even though they say they're doing it to rescue Grace and Blanid.

If they're not sympathetic, are they at least interesting, like the characters in Succession?

I think Bad Sisters could use more of the sharp dialogue between the sisters, a la catastrophe, to at least make them more interesting.  The snide things which the characters say to each other in Succession is one of the appeals of that show.

And really, was the Catastrophe couple likable?  The most notable thing about them is the hilarious dialogue.  The supporting characters were strong as well.

[Avabelle]

I’m kind of at a point where I don’t like anyone and the fact that they’ve now killed his mother just makes me wish they’d get caught.

In order for the story to work everyone is required to be so stupid.

With the exception of Eve and BIbi I don’t even like the sisters. Grace just comes off like a stupid eejit In nearly every scene. Becka is away with the fairies. Ursula and her stupid affair plot makes her the most unlikeable one of all. 

[Avabelle]

I think the finale twist will be that Grace killed him. At this point if it’s not that I give up.

[MartyQui]

So when JP was in the coffin Grace said he had an erection…maybe it was a viagra induced heart attack and no one was responsible.

[Pike Ludwell]

I saw Sharon Horgan on Morning Joe this morning, and she said there is a clue near the beginning of the first episode. So it could be the erection and a viagra induced heart attack.

[chocolatine]

I think it's a Viagra-induced heart attack as well. A few episodes ago it was established that JP doesn't get hard for Grace anymore (though we know that he's able to masturbate) and they have a huge fight about Grace using a vibrator. Maybe on Grace's birthday, JP wants to give her a "special treat" and takes Viagra in order to accomplish that.

Edited October 11, 2022 by chocolatine

[hatchetgirl]

My husband and I have just started the show.  So deliciously dark and funny!  I want to kill JP!

[gesundheit]

I love that the collateral damage just gets more horrific every episode. What I don't get is why Bibi is the only one of the five sisters who doesn't have her own subplot. Outside of the episode where we got her eye-loss backstory, she's the only one we don't follow separately. And I'd like to!

[Mr. R0b0t]

Love the show so far.  Found it a bit odd that known tee-totaler JP was laying around knocking back wine at the cabin.  I truly hope it was Mammy that did him in.

[scruff]

So  Ursula  completely gets  away  with  Everything  with  No   Consequences  or  Reciprocity huh ? 

The  writers  did  not   even  have  the  decency  or  respect to  allow  Donal  to  find  out  what a  Lying, Cheating, Deceiving, Adulteress   His   wife  was   huh  ?

Instead   they  make  one  big  joke  and mockery  out of it all.  Just  content  with  showing  him  to  be a unknowing ,  unsuspecting, ignorant  Cuck, 

  Every  main  character  fully   supports ,  champions,  cheers,  helps,  eggs,   urges  and  conceals   Ursula's    Disgraceful, Deviant and  Abhorrent  behavior .     All  the  while    laughing   to   each  other   and   behind   Donal's  back  at  what a cuck/simp/beta   he  is made  out to  be .    

This  show   truly   Represents   ALL that  is  wrong  in today's  society.    Ursula  willingly,  knowingly  and   purposefully  takes a Huge  Dump on  Her  Husband,  Marriage  and  Children's  Family  unit  stability.     The  writer's   decide  to   make a  giant JOKE  of all  that   huh ? 

Yet  somehow  Ursula  is  supposed  to be  the   hero/victim/ innocent/ wronged  party    and    Donal    is   the   Bad    guy ?    We  are  supposed  to  like  her  and be  rooting   for  her   right  ?      F'ing  Seriously ?

Ursula's   character  was an  Absolute  Horrible   Human  Being,  Horrible  Wife  and  Horrible  Mother.     It is  simply   sad,  dishonest,   disingenuous and  Disgraceful  the way  the  writers   presented  this  Entire  story  arc. 

This  was   just   yet   another   show     that   promotes,   encourages,  excuses,  justifies,  rationalizes,  glorifies  and  Romanticizes   INFIDELITY.  I  just   cannot    comprehend   how  anyone  on this  Forum  or  anyone   that   has  seen  this  show    can  be  Ok  with that.  

[aghst]

I’d not see them celebrating Ursula’s affair.  They certainly aren’t encouraging her to continue.

They’re all flawed in some way.

But this show wasn’t about the affaIr.  It was about dealing with a malignant person who psychologically tortured all of them and in The case of Grace raped her.

It really got dark with the account of the rape and miscarriage.

Eva seeing JP for what he is seemed so sudden, compared to the way she believed all the gaslighting.  Also not believable that she could overpower and kill him.

It’s one thing to shoot or maybe stab him as a crime of passion but to choke him for several seconds?

Then she happens to watch a movie which depicts someone being choked to death?

The DVD would be circumstantial evidence, not physical evidence like maybe the blue shirt having his skin cells or cloth fibers being found on his neck and body.

Would also look suspicious for Grace to withdraw her claim out of the blue.

But the Claffins would still be in trouble, if another insured whose policy was never underwritten by their father passed away and filed a claim.
 

They seem relieved and happy that there isn’t some arrest or prosecution hanging over them.

But still not clear what they’d do with the show if there are more seasons.  Most major things are tied up neatly.