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I am just fine with her leaving.    I had never heard of her until she danced with Golden Boy in a prior season, so all I judge her on is what I have seen on this show.  And I did not like what I saw, from her creepy dance with the little girl to her bad attitude with the judges.

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I bet she wishes she'd never done the show.  I always really, really liked her on So You Think You Can Dance, but I have a completely different perspective of her after seeing her on the show.  And ballroom dance isn't her forte, so I shouldn't be surprised she totally blew as a choreographer, but what really didn't sit right with me was how much she overdanced Jonathon.  

 

I also feel bad for Jonathon; he was so excited to do the show and I don't think he had the best experience, and that's really a shame.  I think he would've done great with Chelsea or Lacey.

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From WK. 7 episode thread:

 

In the case of Allison, I just have to wonder if Johnathan was given Jazz in an earlier show that he would have lasted longer.

 

 

But Jazz is just one dance style and she could have only done that for one week and dance. Derek and Mark may have outdanced their partners when they first came on, but they were still competitive ballroom dancers who were able to teach their celebs the basics of the different dance styles. I don't buy that Jonathan's getting Jazz earlier would have made things go any better for him because he would have had to come back the next week and do a Samba or a Salsa or a Tango or Cha Cha, etc.

 

And the same problems that occurred would have - that is, Alison's not teaching him even the basics of the dance. Alison's outdancing was a problem, yes, but in my opinion the bigger issue was the combination of her outdancing him and not being able to teach and choreograph the basics of the dance. Alison looked amateurish dancing the Samba. How in the world was Jonathan, a non dancer unlike her, supposed to do any better.

 

I am one of those who has loved Alison from SYTYCD and do think some of the reactions she got from some posters was a little harsh but I do think it was a mistake to make her Pro right out of the gate. They should have made her get her feet wet in the troupe and then try her as a Pro next season.She just didn't have enough of the knowledge of ballroom to take a completely untrained dancer like Jonathan and make him look good.

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From WK. 7 episode thread:

 

 

But Jazz is just one dance style and she could have only done that for one week and dance. Derek and Mark may have outdanced their partners when they first came on, but they were still competitive ballroom dancers who were able to teach their celebs the basics of the different dance styles. I don't buy that Jonathan's getting Jazz earlier would have made things go any better for him because he would have had to come back the next week and do a Samba or a Salsa or a Tango or Cha Cha, etc.

 

And the same problems that occurred would have - that is, Alison's not teaching him even the basics of the dance. Alison's outdancing was a problem, yes, but in my opinion the bigger issue was the combination of her outdancing him and not being able to teach and choreograph the basics of the dance. Alison looked amateurish dancing the Samba. How in the world was Jonathan, a non dancer unlike her, supposed to do any better.

 

I am one of those who has loved Alison from SYTYCD and do think some of the reactions she got from some posters was a little harsh but I do think it was a mistake to make her Pro right out of the gate. They should have made her get her feet wet in the troupe and then try her as a Pro next season.She just didn't have enough of the knowledge of ballroom to take a completely untrained dancer like Jonathan and make him look good.

 

Agree completely. It makes me wonder, if we can see and understand this, why couldn't the producers?

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My point tho' is about timing.  Allison could have been given Jazz week 4  and Team Jolker would have been given that all important boost moving forward and help him survive week 5.  I knew that up to week 5 they didn't catch a break at all, Jitterbug was his nail in the coffin (not Allison's fault)  and the Jazz was his good bye, that's unfortunate given that he wasn't the worst out there.

 

Oh, I knew very early on that she would be the whipping boy this season, I predicted the Jazz would be Johnathan's last dance  but I do think this team had a chance to go further if they were given a contemp or jazz a style she can teach well earlier. The producers decided to cast Allison just to tear her apart.  That doesn't sit well with me. 

 

If in the troupe they are casting dancers like Kim Gingras who is a hip hop specialist, absolutely gorgeous woman, and a beautiful dancer, but not a ballroom dancer you have to know that the show is looking beyond the Ballroom and Latin stable. 

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YMMV  but I absolutely disagree that the show cast Alison to tear her apart. There is no proof of that in my opinion and I see no reason that they would want to. Like the producers sat around bored and thought, "hmm , let's cast Alison Holker and tell the judges to rip her apart for kicks..." Alison was cast because she had many great connections on the show through Derek and Mark and a few other Pros and she had done some amazing Results Show performances with Derek that were heavily praised and further raised her profile on the show.

 

So I believe the producers cast her believing that despite her not being a traditional Pro with a background in ballroom, she was talented enough to fake it well if you will. Then they gave her a young, fit, fairly good looking guy unlike Tyne, the other non ballroom Pro who got Bill Nye. However, they underestimated her lack of ballroom knowledge and I'm sorry, Alison didn't do herself any favors by dancing and coming off like she was more concerned about having something to prove to viewers rather than making sure Jonathan was learning the dances and enjoying the experience. That is on her.

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Here's the thing, Allison is a dancer, all of the pros have made the mistake of out dancing their partners at one time or another, I think it's a bit disingenuous to demand that she dial it back in her first season on the show when many of the others have gone full out in their first year, even with years of ballroom teaching beginners experience.They are on national television, doing what they love, the best gig any dancer can get, so I don't totally blame them for getting caught up in it all.   But she got it right on the Jazz, she didn't out dance Johnathan, she dressed so that the focus would be on them both. I'm saying if she was given the chance earlier to really show a bit of her brand of genius, Johnathan could have stayed around, at least for Halloween week. Given how he worked it on the Jazz he would have been a real asset on Team Itsy Bitsy with the precision drill team effect they are going for. 

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And once again, what I and others have stated is that the problem was not simply her outdancing Jonathan but that she was outdancing him while also not teaching him basic ballroom technique because she herself was not that versed in it. That was the problem and no matter when she was given Jazz, yeah something in her wheelhouse, it would not have changed her inability to teach him basic ballroom. Which once again, was the issue. Yes, some Pros outdance their partners but they still know how to choreograph a dance that looks like the assigned dance and teach their celebrity basic steps of the style. 

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The Producers knew who they got when they hired Allison.  She wasn't suddenly a ballroom pro, they hired her for a reason, and it was to broaden the scope of the type of dancing seen on this show. She was highlighted on the brilliant Chandelier piece, she's the only pro on the show who could do it.  She was highlighted as the new pro doing an incredible split leap, again something ballroom pros don't normally do.  She could probably take the other female pros to church on Hip Hop style as well.  Yes, she didn't teach ballroom well, but neither did Lacey Schwimmer and she got to a top 3 finish in her first season.  What she do well was teach her style, and she showed great promise with the Jazz, too bad it wasn't earlier.  

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All of that is all well and good but the show is still a ballroom show, so I don't see what any of that has to do with anything. So fine, let her perform and do all these amazing things for showcase performances which is EXACTLY what she did on the show before and it was great. But when it comes to being a Pro, all the amazing hip hop, art pieces she can do does not matter when she can't teach the celebrity who knows nothing, basic ballroom.

 

Because once again, all their crappy styles thrown in a week or two, this is still a predominantly ballroom show where the majority of the dance styles are ballroom. I also disagree that only Alison could have done that Chandlier piece but honestly this very much feels like a YMMV and agree to disagree discussion at this point. I cannot speak for anyone but I have nothing personally against Alison, I'm not denying her talent but the simple reality is she did not do a great job as a Pro in my opinion. 

 

Yes she outdanced Jonathan and I do think part of it was her caught up in trying to prove something to viewers and that was all well and good, except then she didn't have the ability to teach him the basics of what he needed to know to help him look good. And so it never came together for them. 

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Lindsay and Jenna are the troupe dancers. Kim was hired in probably cause she has worked with Pitbull.

 

Allison has danced on the show a number of times. That's different from the troupe. Being a Troupe member means you are among the pros and stars at the teaching time. It would have benefited Allison. But she and everybody kept saying, ballroom has been in and out of her life since the beginning. It wasn't going to be an issue with her. But a las She can dance the dances with pros and make herself look believable in the dance. It's not the same as teaching and Choreographing a dance that is pretty much in another language. And do so for a newbie dancer. In a competition setting. On top of the Out/over dancing that she has been accused of even on SYTYCD.

 

I still love Allison, Just not for DWTS pro. Without some seriously learning.

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I am not disagreeing that she isn't a good Ballroom dancer or teacher. But the show knows who they hired, they hired a Contemporary dancer not a Ballroom pro. As a Contemporary dancer she's one of the best in the business, if they want to advance other styles then make it a priority to teach other styles in the early weeks, as early as they teach Ballroom styles. If they don't want to advance other dance styles, they should not have hired Allison.  Just think if Johnathan got Jazz instead of Cha Cha week 2 would he have had a better chance to move up the leader board?  Probably, since he did fairly well week 1 on the Jive and had some momentum. 

 

The producers are well aware that everyone else who is teaching Ballroom has at least a ballroom dance title from their respective countries.  But because of the disparity in teacher credentials in ballroom, by extension the show pits dance styles against each other, instead of embracing them on the same level as Ballroom, and that's the crime against Johnathan, not Allison's lack of ballroom experience.  

 

I am ballroom trained but I love all styles and I would have loved to see more of Allison's teaching style, in the style that made her famous.  Mark is supposedly cross trained but his African Jazz is just abomidable, talk about aping a style and not knowing what the hell he is doing, and yet oddly enough people think it's just fine.  If he were critiqued with the same vigour that Allison got slammed for her latin dances he wouldn't be getting high scores for African Jazz. Not all the Ballroom pros have the Contemporary technique that the specialists do. If the show continues to offer these other dance styles, let's get people in who know what they're doing, and deliver us from another culturally insensitive junk piece.

 

I think people want Allison gone not because she's not a good Ballroom pro, but because she's a great Contemporary pro, however the audience doesn't want other styles on the show because for the most part the contemporary dances on this show are less than they could be because the pros aren't trained in the style.

 

And yet, the audience is content to have less than good ballroom dancing on the show, as long as a ballroom pro teaches it.  In the end, the audience has come to only want ballroom pros because of the individual pros' popularity, that comes from longevity, not because of pure ballroom or latin dancing.

 

Much of the dancing has become show dance filler not ballroom or latin technique, since those who want to showcase pure ballroom and latin are slammed for it being too difficult for the contestant, and therefore can't make it look good for TV. 

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I'm of two minds about this. I really don't like Allison's dance style but the judging is supposed to be about the star's performance. Its not Riker's fault that Allison choreographs every single dance at the same speed. All he can do is dance it well, and for the most part, he does. Of course, the problem with this is as long as the judges score Riker well, there is no pressure for Allison to change what she's doing. 

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I was a fan of Allison's work on SYTYCD and followed her career somewhat after her season on that show.  Though I wasn't thrilled about her coming to DWTS since she didn't have the ballroom background, I was willing to give her more of a shot because I liked her in general. But she just leaves me cold on this show. I don't like her at all.   Contrast this with Lacey who I did not want on the show at all due to her background and the fact that this marked the beginning of the SYTYCD crossovers.  Even though she lacked the strong ballroom background and seemed a hot mess at times, she kind of grew on me.  This isn't happening with Allison.  

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I have no issue with SYTYCD crossovers but I'd rather have someone like Witney, Lacey, Lindsay, etc who are ballroom trained but have the ability to do contemporary, jazz, etc, not like Allison's case where she's contemp/jazz trained and has the ability to do ballroom/Latin.

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I'm sure Allison is a lovely person, and I have no gripe about how she's carried herself on a personal level on this show, but I just really think she's not a good fit here. All her dances feel like contemp/jazz routines with a vague ballroom flavor. Last season, poor Jonathan--who I think wasn't a terrible dancer--just couldn't keep up with her pace, and she did nothing to help him out. Now she has Riker, who can keep up with her pace, but honestly shouldn't. He is a great dancer, but he ends up looking like a marionette puppet going haywire with what she's got him doing. That sort of thing worked in his jazz routine, but not for his waltz. 

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After watching tonight's show, I think Allison is pregnant. I've watched her since her days on SYTYCD and her middle is always tiny. Tonight it looked a bit thicker than usual. I guess we will see in the coming weeks.

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After watching tonight's show, I think Allison is pregnant. I've watched her since her days on DWTS and her middle is always tiny. Tonight it looked a bit thicker than usual. I guess we will see in the coming weeks.

I came here to say the same thing. Either she's pregnant or she took the nasty comments about her "boy" body to heart. She looks good with the added pounds.

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I came here to say the same thing. Either she's pregnant or she took the nasty comments about her "boy" body to heart. She looks good with the added pounds.

 

Would they let her do the show if she were pregnant, though? I know pregnant women work all the time, but dancing is a lot more stressful on the body than the average job. I would think they wouldn't want the liability, but maybe it would be discrimination if they didn't let her do it?

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It might not be pregnancy, but that she took the summer off. I don't think she was on the tour. Cheryl and Karina sometimes came back a little heavier too in the fall seasons. It's got to be hard to maintain those bodies if you aren't dancing 24/7.

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Either she's preggo and wanted to stay mum on the topic, knowing it could jeopardize her future on the show if she takes a season or two off, or she knows and everyone else knows and figures by the time the season is up or she gets eliminated it won't be too far along.

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Would they let her do the show if she were pregnant, though? I know pregnant women work all the time, but dancing is a lot more stressful on the body than the average job. I would think they wouldn't want the liability, but maybe it would be discrimination if they didn't let her do it?

I get this may be a different case, but they let the British Classical Singer Katherine Jenkins dance--I'm pretty sure it was on the anniversary special last season--when she was at least 3-4 months (I think closer to 4) pregnant. And everyone seemed happy she was pregnant when it was mentioned in the special. Katherine was originally on the same season as Maria Menounos, as I remember.

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I think she may be able to dance if she is early pregnancy, I took a pole dancing class once and the teacher was 5 months pregnant so maybe if you're active at baseline you can do more physical activity while pregnant.  I don't know though so I am just speculating. She may be very early on but because she has such a flat stomach she starts showing very early which happened in a friend of mine.

 

I really noticed it in the backstage clip when they showed that shot of them in hold.

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I went to Allison's instagram and picked some pics that were date/event verifiable

10 weeks ago:

https://instagram.com/p/4r2GIgOo3X/

6 weeks ago:

https://instagram.com/p/5xh3u3uo4i/

1 week ago:

https://instagram.com/p/7Twr2tOo8M/

 

I may very well be wrong but I'm inclined to think she just relaxed a bit this summer, maybe put on a few pounds and is now slimming down again.  In the 1 week ago pic, she's got that enviable crease down the center of her abs but in this 6 days ago pic, she doesn't https://instagram.com/p/7a9oAlOozu/?taken-by=allisonholker .  Wouldn't that abs crease disappear as soon as she started showing, if she were pregnant? 

 

If she is pregnant, at her level of fitness, I doubt the early stages of pregnancy would slow her down.

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After watching tonight's show, I think Allison is pregnant. I've watched her since her days on SYTYCD and her middle is always tiny. Tonight it looked a bit thicker than usual. I guess we will see in the coming weeks.

 

quoting myself for the first time ever, I knew it! Congratulations to Allison and Twitch!!

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I am so happy for them. And BW it's supposed to be tWitch << like that but I always just write Twitch lol.

I started to write it your way. Should've stuck with that. Thanks. Are you sure there's no apostrophe in it?

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I'm excited for Allison (and tWitch and all of their families) because babies are always exciting.

 

But also, selfishly, because it means she's not likely to be back as a pro next season, maybe the next. It's nothing against Allison, but I still don't think she's a good fit for a pro on the show.

 

So it's a win/win for everybody!

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If Andy makes it to the finals, will Allison be able to do the freestyle with him? Dancing waltz and cha-cha while pregnant is one thing, but being thrown into the air as has become the custom for the freestyle is quite another. I guess the show will cross that bridge when they get to it.

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If Andy makes it to the finals, will Allison be able to do the freestyle with him? Dancing waltz and cha-cha while pregnant is one thing, but being thrown into the air as has become the custom for the freestyle is quite another. I guess the show will cross that bridge when they get to it.

 

Last week she threw herself onto Andy's shoulder then did a belly-slide across the floor.  I guess being 4 months pregnant doesn't slow her down. I'd seen a pap pic of her at the rehearsal studio talking to fans. She was in a midriff top and it was clear she was pregnant.

Congrats to Allison and her family!

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quoting myself for the first time ever, I knew it! Congratulations to Allison and Twitch!!

You must be psychic! I must admit I was skeptical when I read the prediction last month, thinking she had just gained a little weight.

 

I'm a little surprised by her timing though - I would have thought she would have timed a pregnancy so that she wouldn't show at all until after this season ended. If she's at four months now then the moment of conception was around the end of last season - it's like she went straight from the freestyle to baby-making LOL.

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For Allison and tWitch fans, his proposal is on YouTube. They were filming a commercial and the director taped his proposal. It's sweet. He dances for her and flew her parents in as a surprise, and he turns her around to see them standing there and holding her daughter.

Regarding the pregnancy - I was pretty sure. It also explains why she's not touched up her roots.

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For Allison and tWitch fans, his proposal is on YouTube. They were filming a commercial and the director taped his proposal. It's sweet. He dances for her and flew her parents in as a surprise, and he turns her around to see them standing there and holding her daughter.

Regarding the pregnancy - I was pretty sure. It also explains why she's not touched up her roots.

So the daughter is not their daughter together?

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So the daughter is not their daughter together?

No, Allison already had Weslie when she and tWitch got together.

 

So she's not their biological child but I think he may have adopted her, she has his last name.

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I thought Allison's daughter, Weslie, was tWitch's daughter too, when I was talking about Allison's pregnancy announcement Monday night--I even posted the new baby was *their* second child. Then I started seeing Tweets from the ET-type shows that said this is Allison & tWitch's first child together, which confused me. According to Allison's Wikipedia page, Weslie is her daughter by a former fiancé, whose name was given--at least in an article used as a source for info on her page--but I've forgotten it now. I don't know, for sure, if tWitch has adopted Weslie or not. I can't find anything confirming or denying it, either way, online.

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What does the child do that she needs a stage name??   And how old is she that she has Instagram?

I doubt it's a stage name and it says clearly in her bio that her account is managed by her parents Allison AND TWITCH. Lots of younger kids who are somewhat in the public eye have instagrams, and they are all run by their parents. You can tell Weslie doesn't post her own pics/write her own captions if you read them.

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Not to be mean, but I think it's highly unlikely Andy will make the finals.  But congrats to Allison!  I kind of knew it, but it's nice to have it confirmed.  Go Boss family!

 

Andy is one of the few people in the cast who is currently relevant, though. He just had a hit song recently. I wonder if his fans are voting? If they are, he could very well sneak in.

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