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53 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

I tried to find when the term came into use but I didn't find anything and, well, I didn't want to google too much...

FWIW,
the OED Online lists a 1928 citation for that meaning for "suck" (from the 1935 publication, Lexical Evidence From Folk Epigraphy in Western North America: A Glossarial Study of the Low Element in the English Vocabulary) which implies it was used in conversation earlier.
The OED Online also shows:

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1902   Testimony in People ex rel. J. Churchill against F. V. Greene (Supreme Court State N.Y.) (1904) I. 495   She pointed to a woman who sat in the rear of the room and she said, ‘That woman..has got medals all over her undershirt and underdrawers for sucking cocks.’

--a PDF of the original of which is here: 
google.com/books/edition/New_York_Court_of_Appeals_Records_and_Br/oeV1Ejsf5dkC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1977&printsec=frontcover

--which further implies that it was in the common vernacular prior to 1902, meaning probably in the 19th century.

But since I am no longer being paid to be an academic librarian, and no one here is in the process of publishing on this topic and in need of a citation, I will now attend to more prosaic errands and housework.

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Shh, we don't talk about Bruno because now it's stuck in my head again.

Pete does know what it means, I think in one episode he was going to say something and Trevor hit Pete to shut up. 

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Sort of a parting gift.

The B&B is still ON!

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Isaac's Shocking Earth-Shattering News.

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9 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I thought I was the only one who hasn't seen Hamilton.  And never will because I don't like rap & hip hop and have no interest in it.

I don't like rap or hip hop either so I was surprised by how much I liked the songs. The show has traditional musical numbers too. If you ever become curious, check out "I'll be back." It's hilarious, a bit sinister, and dang catchy. That was my gateway song to the show.

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11 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I thought I was the only one who hasn't seen Hamilton.  And never will because I don't like rap & hip hop and have no interest in it.

Right there with you. I'm happy the show was such a success and brought so much new attention to live theatre, but a few attempts to listen to the songs proved it was very much not my thing.

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7 minutes ago, Bruinsfan said:

Right there with you. I'm happy the show was such a success and brought so much new attention to live theatre, but a few attempts to listen to the songs proved it was very much not my thing.

I've never seen Hamilton. I would love to see Isaac's reaction to 1776 a musical that I enjoy. Alberta would also have some interesting comments since her family probably included slaves.

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14 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

I don't like rap or hip hop either so I was surprised by how much I liked the songs. The show has traditional musical numbers too. If you ever become curious, check out "I'll be back." It's hilarious, a bit sinister, and dang catchy. That was my gateway song to the show.

I won't ever be interested.  I run screaming from anything involving Lin-Manuel Miranda.

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Oral sex existed before the late 20th century, but the phrase "sucked off" could easily be much more modern.

I don't know . . . it seems pretty obvious to me. And surely they notice Trevor giggling every time they say it. Most of them should have figured it out.

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Pete does know what it means, I think in one episode he was going to say something and Trevor hit Pete to shut up. 

No, that was Sam - he shuts her down every time she tries to object. He did the same thing with her when "he went down on us" came up. I think Pete is just wayyyyy too innocent to get the connotation. 

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14 hours ago, iMonrey said:

No, that was Sam - he shuts her down every time she tries to object. He did the same thing with her when "he went down on us" came up. I think Pete is just wayyyyy too innocent to get the connotation.

It was in ep 7. I watched it again and it was actually Pete that hit Trevor to stop him from laughing about it. It was when Jay was helping Sass write a text to Shiki. Jay asked if they eventually go up and Sass says sucked off. Trevor starts laughing and Pete hits him and sighs. He knows what it means. Pete is a sweet guy but i don't think he's that sheltered and innocent. He was married with a kid. 

I'm thinking Pete doesn't stop them from saying it because he doesn't want to explain what it means. Especially since I'm sure Thorfin would ask a lot of questions about it. Lol 

Have we ever heard any of the more modern ghosts even say it? I don't remember Flower, Pete or Trevor saying it. Trevor just laughs when the others say it. 

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I think they're protecting Hetty's delicate, Victorian-like, sensibilities.  It's sweet, really.

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21 hours ago, Sakura12 said:

Especially since I'm sure Thorfin would ask a lot of questions about it. Lol 

In extensive detail, I imagine, lol.

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On 4/22/2022 at 5:31 PM, Mezzaluna said:

I've got a bone to pick with the show runners. How is it that Thor - after many years of hearing English - still only has a two-year-old's grasp of the lingo? He refers to himself in the third person.   He's had a LOT of time to pick up more vocab and grammar.

You might have known people who have been in your home country for their entire adult lives and still have a thick accent. I certainly do. Or maybe have been appalled at some people's total ineptness at pronouncing common Spanish words correctly. Some people really don't have an ear or talent for other languages.

On 4/23/2022 at 8:50 AM, North of Eden said:

I do like your idea about Pete...maybe they could have a romance across a stonewall at the property line.

If the home had been a speakeasy at one time (isn't that why Alberta was there?) and it's a historical NY home, there could easily be tunnels running between a couple of properties (to avoid the cops or move runaway slaves), so there's that possibility. They might be closed off now, but they can be repaired. That opens up lots of inter-ghostal activity.

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1 hour ago, mojito said:

If the home had been a speakeasy at one time (isn't that why Alberta was there?) and it's a historical NY home, there could easily be tunnels running between a couple of properties (to avoid the cops or move runaway slaves), so there's that possibility. They might be closed off now, but they can be repaired. That opens up lots of inter-ghostal activity.

"inter-ghostal activity"🤣 is a great turn of phrase, @mojito.
I hope it floats up into the zeitgeist and the writers take note.

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On 4/22/2022 at 6:49 PM, Annber03 said:

I'm probably one of very few people left on Earth who hasn't seen Hamilton yet,

I'm in that group too :-) and will stay there because I have no desire to watch it.

I had a coworker tell me about this show, so I searched for it on my ROKU and was happy I found it on the PLUTO app for free. I really enjoyed this and can't wait for season 2.

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On 4/23/2022 at 9:36 AM, shapeshifter said:

I just noticed in this episode that at the end of the opening scene, as the Farnsby's leave after declaring war on Jay & Sam's B&B, that Jay yells, "SAM!" just like Darren used to do.

And Jay frequently calls Sam "Babe" in the same way Darren would call Samantha "Hon."

Since the Farnsby's ghost only appears for a gag at the end of the season, she might be a one-off, but I don't think so. Her presence establishes that there are Ghosts Next Door.

  • Maybe she has information to help solve Alberta's murder--perhaps the Farnsbys have an attic with old records and papers that she knows about/has read. 
  • Maybe she's a murdered Farnsby!
  • Or, at least, she may have knowledge of (less literal) skeletons in the Farnsbys' closet that Jay and Sam could use as blackmail, if necessary. 
  • Did she die at the right age to now be a soulmate for Trevor?

The 50's ghost is named Judy. According to the Joes there are more ghosts at the Farnsby house and we'll see them next season. 

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