S16.E09: The Teflon Queen

[Tabbygirl521]

13 hours ago, Starlight22 said:

I didn’t think it was possible to despise King Kodouche more, but I’m proven wrong tonight. My heart broke for Gabe. What a mature and strong young man, and to hear him say he and his siblings were jealous of Robyn for getting to see Kody more than they do was just so sad, especially considering Kody didn’t seem to even register how tragic that comment is. His true colors were revealed when Gabe said he quarantined for two weeks from his girlfriend so that he could see Kody and you could see him fumbling to explain his way out of that one; looks like he knew but decided not to see Gabe anyway— and his excuse? That he doesn’t know who he can trust! What a sick dude.

Now Kody’s not beating around the bush about things at all; he likes Robyn best because she’s obedient to him! Wonder how she feels seeing these episodes…

Very happy to see Christine getting stronger and confident in herself. 
 

Heartbreaking about Janelle’s mom. When Janelle was saying her mom wanted to be with her husband in heaven, was she referring to Winn? I assume so but was not totally sure… 

He quarantined from his girlfriend, who has herself been isolating. But no, that’s not good enough. Kody doesn’t even know her name. 

[WhatAmIWatching]

When Kody was yapping at Gabe, and throwing Janelle under the bus (and rolling back and forth over her body) he said she and Christine were going on vacations and traveling a lot.

In prev threads, it was pointed out that Christine did do extra traveling, so fair point,  but wasn't Janelle just going to Maddie's to help out because Evangalynn (sp?) just had major surgery?? I wouldn't call that a vacation.

I know Kod was complaining about someone getting a massage but I remember, during this time period, that our news kept stressing that we needed to support small businesses, and to find out what their protocols were, so we could utilize their services in a safe manner.

Gabe was impressive with how he insisted that Kody calm his tits, stop yelling, and have a regular conversation. It was telling that Kodoof had no idea that Gabe had quarantined from his gf over the summer and that her precautions were as high as Kodork's. He didn't talk to any of the children that didn't live in his and Robyn's manse. He is disgusting.

[goofygirl]

The two highlights of this pathetic episode are: Douchecanoe's HAIR under that dumb visor and his mention that the "cargiver" has COVID!!!!!!

What the AF??  I thought the "nanny" and her hubs were PERFECT and followed all the Douchecanoe's COVID protocols......  WHAT IN THE HELL HAPPENED??

[Tabbygirl521]

12 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

I don't know folks!  All of this could be the storyline for this year's sister wives!

I can see the five of them sitting down with production and concocting this storyline!

Its pretty good too!  Just like the season of Meri and Sam!

Ratings are up, ad money is pouring in and everybody 's talking about the show and next week's episode!

Brilliant!

 

If true, then Gabe deserves an academy award. The pain in his eyes was heartbreaking. 

[Roslyn]

4 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

As someone who had a poor relationship with their father (never apologized, made me cry, made me feel not good enough, would not communicate anything except I was wrong, I was at fault—on and on), the effects last forever. When my dad died a couple years ago, I had nothing to mourn except the fact we never had a relationship that was normal or caring. To this day, I feel like I was just…..unwanted. 

My heart goes out to Gabe. it’s so sad and it doesn’t need to be this way. Kody is a monster. 

For me replace father with mother. I have only a couple blurry "snaps" of memory of my father. Both my husband and I have our own matched luggage that we drag around from our families.

This entire season is one trigger after another for both of us. Since I made the leap with Discovery to watch this season and my husband and I now watch together. It opens up so many cans of worms. At least we can support ourselves and "validate" each other, but watching Gabe keep his cool and Kody pushed and pushed with zero ability to actually listen to his son and to hear what he was saying. All Kody cares about is pushing people until they just give up and agree with him. He doesn't want a discussion, he just wants compliance.

Thank the gods that these kids have each other to turn to. That they have their mothers and significant others to help them heal as adults.

[Bubbetv]

Another lurker, if seldom poster here~ 

I think Kody liked his kids early in this series because he could stand in a crowd of them, flapping his arms like a mad Father Goose, Christine cheering him on with the affect of a groupie. Hijinks! Hilarity! 

Barf.

It looked comfortable for Janelle to have a part time husband and a partnership parent with Christine, while Meri was good to have alone time for her brooding. I couldn’t live that plyg scene, but I sorta got the upside better.

Now I ping a little for Meri because she realizes she destroyed the whatever identity she had in this club, and that is an awful feeling. But teensy little pinging sympathy. 

 

I keep flashing on her smug smiles before she got the Sam truth. At some restaurant the wives were talking about their struggles again and she just sat there smirking like, “I am SO gonna show you! I am skipping off with my millionaire doting sexpot new man! For that brief time, at least she saw Kody for the asshat he is. 

 

She was a savage sneer at them all, so her desperation - meh.

[Micah70]

Christine didn’t do extra traveling irresponsibly; she said they were all masked and followed guidelines when out and about. And both Christine and Janelle rightfully supported Ysabel, and Maddie (for Evangalyn) respectively because of major surgeries. Kody couldn’t be bothered to go to either one, and what lit me up was when he suggested that Ysabel go alone! My mom was with me for every Illness and surgery in my life. And wild animals couldn’t have kept her away if a grandchild was having surgery. Kody has proven to be a dictator and coward. I feel for his kids. They love their dad, but want to know why they should comply to his crazy rules if he still isn’t going to visit or even call them regardless. At least the boys are learning how NOT to treat family.

[Tabbygirl521]

2 hours ago, steff13 said:

But the survival rate is still over 90%, correct?  I'd take those odds if it meant seeing my kids, no question.  

The thing is, he could have seen his kids with a high degree of safety if he’d wanted to. I’m super, super cautious but have still had outdoor gatherings with other cautious people, and I walk weekly with a friend and have since early 2020. Even if the chance of dying is only 3% (which I question), there are too many other serious ongoing health problems that can occur - not to mention the fact that you can continue the spread of the disease if you contact it 

I don’t take issue with extreme precautions but I do take issue with Kody not taking advantage of safer ways to gather or at least fucking CALL his kids once in awhile  

 

[TeeMo]

I’ve been wondering if watching her own daughters in monogamous marriages is what finally made Christine realize that she’d been drawing the short straw since the day she married into this mess. I wouldn’t want to be married to Tony but Christine seems enamored with Tony and Mykelti’s communication skills. And when Mykelti was pregnant and giving birth she knew her husband would just be there without having to wonder if he’d have obligations to some other wife that day. Aspyn’s husband’s Instagram is all photos of the two of them on vacation or at various events. Just the two of them. Christine truly always seemed to believe that polygamy was a superior way to live because it is what she grew up with but I have to imagine that seeing her daughters have true partners may have caused Christine to realize exactly what she has been missing. Regardless of what kind of partner Tony or Mitchell might be, at the end of every day both Mykelti and Aspyn have them there to lean on - if they have a hard day, they don’t have to hope it falls on the scheduled night they get to get to spend with their husband in order to get his support. 
Christine saying that Kody telling her he no longer wanted an intimate marriage seemed to drive home this point. Plenty of people end up in marriages with little physical intimacy but if you aren’t getting physical intimacy, emotional support or the sense that the other person in your marriage even thinks about you when he is not in your house then what is the point? 

[Teafortwo]

2 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

Regardless of what kind of partner Tony or Mitchell might be, at the end of every day both Mykelti and Aspyn have them there to lean on

Add Caleb and Maddie, whom Christine has visited more than a few times (and we know she considers all the kids to be hers). 

[steff13]

44 minutes ago, Cetacean said:

Depends upon age, weight, health status.  At that time there were no vaccines so Janelle wouldn't have been vaccinated.  She is not young and with her weight could have other health issues.  Unknowns.  But even if she survived she could have passed it on to others who could have died because of it.   I'm sure that's why Gabe referred to her weight and age.

 

I'm pretty sure it was always in the 90% range though.  I have similar issues to Janelle and I was keeping an eye on that.  

[Tabbygirl521]

9 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

I’ve been wondering if watching her own daughters in monogamous marriages is what finally made Christine realize that she’d been drawing the short straw since the day she married into this mess. I wouldn’t want to be married to Tony but Christine seems enamored with Tony and Mykelti’s communication skills. And when Mykelti was pregnant and giving birth she knew her husband would just be there without having to wonder if he’d have obligations to some other wife that day. Aspyn’s husband’s Instagram is all photos of the two of them on vacation or at various events. Just the two of them. Christine truly always seemed to believe that polygamy was a superior way to live because it is what she grew up with but I have to imagine that seeing her daughters have true partners may have caused Christine to realize exactly what she has been missing. Regardless of what kind of partner Tony or Mitchell might be, at the end of every day both Mykelti and Aspyn have them there to lean on - if they have a hard day, they don’t have to hope it falls on the scheduled night they get to get to spend with their husband in order to get his support. 
Christine saying that Kody telling her he no longer wanted an intimate marriage seemed to drive home this point. Plenty of people end up in marriages with little physical intimacy but if you aren’t getting physical intimacy, emotional support or the sense that the other person in your marriage even thinks about you when he is not in your house then what is the point? 

I think you’re right. Christine has alluded to asking Mykelti, “Can it really be this easy?” I recall that Christine used to seem extremely paranoid and afraid of people outside their polygamist community, due to being raised with the fear of their families being broken up, men arrested, etc. It may have been a real revelation to her to see loving monogamous marriages up close. 

[Soobs]

Kody is not the first middle aged man to leave his family and run off with a thinner, younger more obedient woman. It's just easier to hide what he's doing in polygamy. He's not fooling anyone.

It sounds like what he most likes about Robyn is her ability to keep sweet and he wishes he had been more patriarchal from the get go. He sounds about a hundred years old.

Gabe seems like a good kid but I had to laugh when he called his mom fat and old on national TV. I guess he gets his tact from his dad, lol!

[mythoughtis]

Another thought.

People were being careful in December 2020.  But they were attending socially distanced and masked funerals of less than 50 people, masking up to go back to stores, including barbers and hairdressers, getting elective surgeries( such as colonoscopies).  Even attending small immediate family celebrations ( even when adult offspring  lived in their own homes). Nursing homes and other group facilities  were still closed. Restaurants were seating  small groups.  There was no reason why  Kody couldn’t meet his kids anywhere. 
 

[Starlight22]

5 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I often wonder what Logan thinks about all of this.  I know he's smartly distanced himself from the show, but I also have to think he's keeping tabs on his siblings' mental health at the hands of his father and his father's wife.  I hope that quietly and in the background, he is supporting them because they clearly need an adult that they can count on.

I also think he is giving the younger siblings moral support too. I think the kids in this family seem to be stable and have a solid head on their shoulders, I suppose in an effort to be the opposite of their father. 
I do recall Gabe saying that Hunter was a big support for him when they moved to Flagstaff. 

[KateHearts]

14 hours ago, Chalby said:

Also, when Gabe said that the wives and kids would even risk getting covid if it meant being together, Kody looked aghast. That told me that Kody would not risk anything to have his family together.

Well, there you have the essence of Kody: it's all posturing and blah blah blah which means absolutely nothing when it comes down to it. Truely is very sick? Eh, no big deal. Ysabel needs major surgery? Count him out; too dangerous. Janelle's mother (and also his "second mom" and mother in law) dies? Sure hope I don't catch Covid there. And if there was ever a moment where, COVID be damned (especially because Kody is So Careful!), he should have hugged his hurting son- he doesn't. He isn't empathetic, or sorry, or regretful that he didn't see his family or explain his rules- he's ANGRY that anyone question him! EVER! So who wins? ROBYN, because she listens to him and obeys!

As everything unravels, Kody spins frantically trying to justify his horrible mismanagement of the family. He and Robyn make a great pair; I'm sure they (to use their lingo) are sittin' there talkin' about how uncompliant and selfish the rest of the family are, while their brood sit dejectedly in their 80s style terrifying mansion and pat themselves on the back as to their willingness to "follow the protoculls."

As for Robyn saying Ari can't handle Kody being gone more than two days: I'm sure it goes like this starting at hour 36: "ARI, don't you MISS your daddy? Are you sad? Huh? Are you gonna cry? Poor baby!!"  Robyn is the kind of mom who will accompany her sons to prom and hold her daughters tightly and rock them when they get their periods and are feeling crampy.

On a more petty note:  I want Gabe's hair. And I feel for the kids because I think they are all unhealthy looking - especially the girls, who are all overweight (with the exception of Gwen and Ysabel)- they seem to eat a lot of starchy, crappy stuff. I like to look at their old shows and see the abundance of tater tots, corn and bread at their family feasts (alas, that won't be happening soon). I'm sure that with two of the four wives considering defection at this point, Meri will be on standby to provide plenty of Rice Krispie treats for Kody and his paunch.

[MamaGee]

14 hours ago, MsTree said:

Kody, your grown son is crying in pain, and you can't even give him a reassuring hug. What a piece of shit you are.

I was shocked that after that painful and gut-wrenching talk, I didn't hear him tell Gabe he loved him at the end of it. I am not sure if he said it at all in the whole conversation. I keep imagining how I would feel if my dad had acted like Kodouche when I was crying in from of him and he had no reaction. I can only imagine that as a boy and being filmed, it would make me feel so much worse. How can a dad who claims to love his kids not verbalize it to them? Especially when they are in pain right in front of him. With Kodouche being the narcissist we all believe him to be, you would think he would respond at least a little to the fact his son wants to see and talk to him. And where the eff does Kodouche get off being mad at Janelle??? If they are YOUR rules, why aren't YOU communicating them?!?

[bichonblitz]

Something that really bothered me during Kody and Gabe's "talk" is while Kody was praising Sobbyn for being the obedient and perfect wife, Gabe backed down and said that they were all jealous of the relationship between Kody and Sobbyn. That comment was skimmed over but that is really what this disconnect is all about. Kody created this monster of a family dynamic by singing Sobbyn's praises as the perfect wife while disrespecting the other wives and kids. He is doing nothing to make it right. 

[laurakaye]

So Christine and Janelle were doing things outside of their homes, like attending the surgeries of family members (which despite what Kodork says, were NOT VACATIONS).  Christine and Janelle were getting together with their kids, and I guess we are to think that Christine was getting massages (wonder who outed her on that - Robyn probably installed a tracking device on Christine's car).  Were they being irresponsible?  I don't know, it's a deeply personal individual call.  Pre-Thanksgiving and Christmas 2020, I was going places, getting my hair cut, shopping, going to the library, etc., while following the mandates and guidelines.  But where the extreme disconnect comes in is that Kody only wants his underlings to leave their homes when HE says so, under HIS rules and restrictions.  Okay, fine, great.  But then he constantly whines about how he thinks he's being lied to about who went where and with whom.  So for Christine and Janelle, there was literally no good way to live their lives during the cluster that was Covid in 2020.  If they went anywhere, Kody flipped his weave.  If they'd stayed put and literally never left and followed his rules to the letter, he wouldn't believe them anyway - or he'd deem them unclean because Garrison went to work or Gwen forgot to wipe down a box of Cheerios or something.  Kody set rules that were intentionally impossible to follow just so he could thump his chest and declare that if everyone was going to break the rules, then he was going to stay away - and he threw blame at anyone in his path - Janelle, Gabe, Ysabel's spine, etc.

As eye-opening as this season has been, the arguments over Covid "protoculls" has been as annoying as those never-ending roundabout conversations about who the hell was going to live in the trees.  And it's yet another example of how Kody is an expert at blowing so much hot air around that he completely confuses his family to the point where they all shut down.

TL:DR - Kody SUCKS and he deserves to be alone with Robyn for eternity.

13 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

 

 He and Robyn make a great pair; I'm sure they (to use their lingo) are sittin' there talkin' about how uncompliant and selfish the rest of the family are, while their brood sit dejectedly in their 80s style terrifying mansion and pat themselves on the back as to their willingness to "follow the protoculls."

This is the best description of that monstrosity that I have heard yet.

[RedDelicious]

It also occurred to me that Gabe's hair is probably Kody's natural hair color. Kody's hair was much darker back in the 2013 timeframe.

[margol29]

The part that got me was when Kody was talking to Gabe about who would be the caregiver if Janelle got covid. (Meaning Kody would have to do it). Gabe immediately said he would do it even if he had to quit his job. Of course, we all know that Kody would not volunteer to be a caregiver to any wife but Robyn. Gabe is such a good son to his mom. But I wanted to yell at him that his mom is not old! 

[Adeejay]

16 hours ago, Maire said:

I think the reason that Robyn even came to Janelle’s house at all is because King Kody was quarantining there. Joseph Smith forbid he got any alone time with a grieving Janelle.

I don't believe Robyn is a Joseph Smith follower.  Celebrating Joseph Smith’s birthday had always been a huge deal for Christine. She said that each wife brought a tradition into the family and that was hers.  After 16 years, Kody suddenly decided they were no longer going to do so, because it was “weird”.  Interestingly, it was right after Robyn joined the family. 

[readheaded]

4 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

Gosh you’d think Kody would pick up a telephone to check in on them. 🤔

That was my point. Even if he was afraid to visit in person, it doesn’t seem like he was in touch with them via text, phone, FaceTime, etc., which is unforgivable as far as I’m concerned. I’m 50 and my dad’s 74; he lives about an hour away and we text almost everyday. Before we were all fully vaccinated and not seeing each other, we texted and talked everyday. He even texts my 3 young adult sons regularly just to know what’s going on in their lives, as do I. I can’t imagine not being curious about what my kids are doing, not in a nosy way, but just to be available to celebrate successes and lend an ear when needed, if nothing else. 

[nosedive]

3 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

I don't believe Robyn is a Joseph Smith follower.  Celebrating Joseph Smith’s birthday had always been a huge deal for Christine. She said that each wife brought a tradition into the family and that was hers.  After 16 years, Kody suddenly decided they were no longer going to do so, because it was “weird”.  Interestingly, it was right after Robyn joined the family. 

Joseph Smith began the Mormon religion.  I would think he would factor into their belief system for that reason.  I noticed a framed picture in Robyn's house that I assumed was Moroni, though I didn't look very closely.  Having their origins in the Mormon religion, I have always assumed they recognized the same prophets.  Anyone who is in the know, please illuminate me.  I'm only guessing here.  

[MsMalin]

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For me replace father with mother. I have only a couple blurry "snaps" of memory of my father. Both my husband and I have our own matched luggage that we drag around from our families.

This entire season is one trigger after another for both of us. Since I made the leap with Discovery to watch this season and my husband and I now watch together. It opens up so many cans of worms. At least we can support ourselves and "validate" each other, but watching Gabe keep his cool and Kody pushed and pushed with zero ability to actually listen to his son and to hear what he was saying. All Kody cares about is pushing people until they just give up and agree with him. He doesn't want a discussion, he just wants compliance.

Thank the gods that these kids have each other to turn to. That they have their mothers and significant others to help them heal as adults.

I am in the same type of situation. My father died of alcoholism in1986 but what he put us through still hurts today.  I know some people would say just get over it, but these things stay with you forever .  Now that I have a son I can't understand how anyone would ever treat their child that way.  

How is it possible to have 18 children and give them the love and attention they require? This show started out to illustrate the virtues of polygamy but it has failed miserably on all counts. I can't see one reason to convince me otherwise.

[Cetacean]

4 minutes ago, MsMalin said:

This show started out to illustrate the virtues of polygamy but it has failed miserably on all counts. I can't see one reason to convince me otherwise.

I have to wonder if it was ever true that TLC was trying to sell polygamy.  I believe they selected what they thought might be a titillating way of life to bring in viewers just like they offer such other dreadful series as the 600 pound people that are tailor made for people to mock.  THe dredge up the outliers and circus freaks to garner viewers. 

When was the last time The Learning Channel actually presented something of value?  Some of the early programs were innocuous - Flip That House, BBQ Pitmasters, Cake Boss, While You Were Out, and Ballroom Bootcamp come to mind.  Now it's all pure trash.  But apparently lucritive.

Perhaps the whole plan was to show what a major fail polygamy is. If so, it worked as expected.

[lindalouwho]

Note to Ramen head: if you want unconditional obedience, get a dog, not a wife.

[MsMalin]

Now that everything else has been discussed:  What was Kody doing with those logs? Scraping them off then pushing them and grunting like a caveman? Are they going to be used to build a house?

[deirdra]

5 hours ago, AdorkableWitch said:

In addition to all of his other sins, Kodouche was driving and filming after his COVID test. That is reckless and irresponsible but not really surprising. He throws a fit about his rules but he's far more likely to have a car accident. 

Also, it sounded like he stopped by urgent care for a test on his way back from Wyoming.  He may have tested negative, but could test positive in 24-48 hours if he caught it at the tail end of his time in WY or during his stops for gas and meals on the drive home.  And he didn't change his clothes after running in the door to embrace the only fambly he cares about.

8 minutes ago, MsMalin said:

Now that everything else has been discussed:  What was Kody doing with those logs? Scraping them off then pushing them and grunting like a caveman? Are they going to be used to build a house?

He was "pilling" (peeling) them so they could be used for something besides firewood. He's not one to plan anything. He probably did it to prove that he does see his boys at least once per 9 months to do manly man things with them.

Edited January 17, 2022 by deirdra

[Fairytales]

I rewatched the episode and have a few questions. How much time went by between the heart to talking ass conversation Gabe had with Kody and when Gabe did his talking head? My guess is several months since his hair was noticeably longer. That being said, what else happened in those months in-between that caused the pain to be so fresh, his opinion so unchanged? Gabe seems to be the son that if Kody had come back at anytime in between and parented his son,  Gabe would have reflected on it differently.  Instead whatever came from the talk and anything that happened after solidified his view.  There are no words to express what a sad sack of flesh Kody has devolved into. 

[Awfarmington]

2 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

The thing is, he could have seen his kids with a high degree of safety if he’d wanted to. I’m super, super cautious but have still had outdoor gatherings with other cautious people, and I walk weekly with a friend and have since early 2020. Even if the chance of dying is only 3% (which I question), there are too many other serious ongoing health problems that can occur - not to mention the fact that you can continue the spread of the disease if you contact it 

I don’t take issue with extreme precautions but I do take issue with Kody not taking advantage of safer ways to gather or at least fucking CALL his kids once in awhile  

 

I thought about this after the show. According to the schedule (Meri is out) he should spend at least 2 nights a week with each wife and kids. His reasons for not going over- because of their standards being lower than his (lie) so he had to stay with the obedient wife. Why couldn’t he spend those two days calling that wife and her kids separately since that should be technically their time slot?  Robin wouldn’t have anything to gripe about because those are days he shouldn’t be there, in the first place. Gabe said Kody rarely ever calls him. There is no excuse since that part of the week should be carved out for that family. Of course we know the answer to all of the above. He’s using Covid to avoid anyone who is not Robin or her offspring. There are just so many ways he could have connected with Gabe during that 7 months, and I’m sad that Gabe believes quarantining had anything to do with it.  

[Pooky]

4 hours ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I don't think she minded.  Janelle is fat, and it wasn't said in a belittling way.  It was only said to demonstrate that Janelle would take risks to be with her children while Kody will take no risks to be with any of his kids other than those of Robyn.

 

He said overweight and it's no secret lol

[lindalouwho]

8 minutes ago, Fairytales said:

I rewatched the episode and have a few questions. How much time went by between the heart to talking ass conversation Gabe had with Kody and when Gabe did his talking head? My guess is several months since his hair was noticeably longer. That being said, what else happened in those months in-between that caused the pain to be so fresh, his opinion so unchanged? Gabe seems to be the son that if Kody had come back at anytime in between and parented his son,  Gabe would have reflected on it differently.  Instead whatever came from the talk and anything that happened after solidified his view.  There are no words to express what a sad sack of flesh Kody has devolved into. 

Made me spit out my coffee. Bravo!🤣🤣🤣

[Awfarmington]

Just now, Pegasaurus said:

Agree with this assessment. Her behavior starts to sound like a mental abuse form of Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy. (if there is such a thing) 

Or else Robyn is just sociopathic monster and will sacrifice her own kids mental health to get what she wants.

The latter is my opinion. 

[NotinKansasanymore]

Who the heck was going to Mexico?

Did anyone else catch Gabe saying something to the effect when he was talking to Kody about getting Janelle and Christine on his team..., "I can tell her not to go to Mexico, cause I would miss her?" or something to that effect. 

Was Christine going to Mexico for Luluroe or something? 

 

[ezzy4]

I agree with those who point out Kody isn't the first guy to abandon  his family for a younger, "more compliant" woman.  There is absolutely nothing complicated or original about him.

Honestly, it's taken him four tries to find someone with as low of an IQ as his.  I'm not joking...both Robyn and Kody just seem soooo soooo so dumb.  It's clear Robyn lacks education, but she seems to also lack intelligence.

So he finally found someone he doesn't have to feel stupid around.  

And Kody is so obviously manipulative.  He's turned his back on MOST of his family commitments and yet feels like HE is the victim.  (Uhm...can't see a pattern Kody? Can't see the common denominator? IT'S YOU @SSH0L* )  I mean, if his wives or children follow all his covid rules, he just makes up more...then pouts about not feeling respected.  

He is really just the WORST 

But I love watching Meri out manipulate him.  She basically left Kody for another man (who wasn't a man at all), and now here she is...a victim herself.  She just ADORES Kody 😉 .   And Kody can't just dismisses her 'cause she helps with pretending that they have this emotionally complex family.  

Meri, Kody and Robyn really are the perfect family.  They all deserve each other.  And EVERYONE else deserves so much better 

 

[Pooky]

Kody has said he won't force wives out or ask them to leave ( I think it was about Meri?) Maybe being so nasty is his way of pushing them all away. Then he can say they left him and not the other way around. 

[Cancun]

4 hours ago, nosedive said:

No way does Kody have a carton filled with books.  Maybe comic books, but definitely not something without large, colorful illustrations.  

Maybe it’s full of Victoria’s Secret catalogs. Or Playboy magazines. 🤔

[Fig Newton]

Holy smokes ! I hate to say it, but this episode was the most emotional and pathetic 60 minutes of this shit show. To now know that Kody was so out of touch with his "other wives" children is so heartbreaking. Gabe is a good, young man. He wore his heart on his sleeve. When shit got too real, Kody's response was, "let's go home". What a fucking dick. Gabe really took the hit and had an open, honest conversation with real tears (hear that Robyn?). What parent can just sit and watch their child cry and do nothing? Nothing? It's 2022. There are numerous ways to communicate, for starters - a phone. A phone that can call, text and video call. He really couldn't find a moment to extrude himself from Robyn to pay attention to anyone else? The narcissist in him was shown in technicolor this week, and it wasn't all rainbows and lollipops.

I rilly, rilly hope everyone removed their covid clothes before the pajama party! Maybe asshole and assholette should follow their own rules? Did Robyn bother to sanitize the ornaments she so graciously took to Janelle when she went to visit to "see how the funeral was". I guess that means she wasn't in touch with a prayer and a warm word following Grandmas passing. 

There is so much to unwrap in this episode, but my heart goes out to the unRobyn kids. They did not sign up  for this shit and I am sorry that Gabe and Garrison changed their mind that these rules and family dysfunction was not Robyn's fault.  It was. It is. It will be.

 

[kicotan]

2 hours ago, nosedive said:

Joseph Smith began the Mormon religion.  I would think he would factor into their belief system for that reason.  I noticed a framed picture in Robyn's house that I assumed was Moroni, though I didn't look very closely.  Having their origins in the Mormon religion, I have always assumed they recognized the same prophets.  Anyone who is in the know, please illuminate me.  I'm only guessing here.  

Yes, Joseph Smith is the founder of the Mormon religion, however there are various sects with their own dogma as to who is the final authority for leading their versions of the Mormon church and making or changing the rules, else, excommunication.

For example, the LDS church headquartered in Salt Lake City, claiming 15 million members, has decided it objects to the term “Mormons” being used to describe them or their organization.

In other words, it’s not just Joseph Smith’s “Book of Mormon” that qualifies him as a prophet whose teachings are to be considered gospel, from God’s mouth to HIS ear. Depending on the specific sect, there are others.

Im not personally aware of any of Joseph Smith’s various sects that allow women a leadership role.  Men run the church, women submit to their husbands, specifically and men in general and their decisions regarding the church.

[Kellyee]

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He was "pilling" (peeling) them so they could be used for something besides firewood. He's not one to plan anything. He probably did it to prove that he does see his boys at least once per 9 months to do manly man things with them.

I wonder if Kody thinks playing with the logs makes him look productive, so we won't notice that he doesn't have an actual job. Or maybe he just wants us to see that he has a big log, since he obviously has no balls.

Janelle needs a t shirt that says Teflon Queen. And what was Kody's reference to bullying about? Is he talking about Robyn being bullied, or her kids?

 

 

 

[Shelbie]

Kody was correct that obeying was important in his marriage to Robyn. He just has absolutely no awareness that he is the one obeying her in all things and at all times.

[kicotan]

2 hours ago, MsMalin said:

How is it possible to have 18 children and give them the love and attention they require? This show started out to illustrate the virtues of polygamy but it has failed miserably on all counts.

I agree that the conscious decision to have 18 kids in this day and age is incomprehensible unless you are a religious zealot like the Brown’s or the Duggar’s, for example. Another possibility would be medical malpractice like Octomom and her 14 kids.

I think the show has done an EXCELLENT job illustrating the virtues of the Brown’s polygamous marriages over the years.  I think it would be incredibly educational for anyone considering living their principle!  When Christine and Janelle were pumping out as many kids as they could with their beloved co-husband, they found that if Janelle worked and was absent from the home for extended periods of time, Christine provided the childcare and held down the fort.  Win-win.  Who gives a crap if Kody is breathing down your neck. Let him breathe down Meri’s, for crying out loud.  Now that they have very few remaining at home of the 12 they spawned, the benefits or virtues, if you will, for them of their chosen lifestyle have changed.  Their god only blessed Meri with one, so maybe sitting around keeping sweet watching 12 more come into the world without her assistance wasn’t her dream come true?  Robyn showed up a few years too late to enjoy the experience that Janelle and Christine did with respect to the OG dozen.

If nothing else, Kody is consistent.  It is his world, everyone else is just in it, following him down the path of eventual afterlife glory.  Wives can’t lead so they either need to follow or get out of the way.  TWO CHOICES-like it or leave.  Can’t force them, it’s gotta be consensual.  Kids become adults?  They gotta march down their own path and accept that while these women might be their mom(s), these fully grown adult women signed up to obediently follow Kody first and above all others.

I think the kids suffer from BOTH of their parents choosing zealous adherence to their chosen religion over what’s in the best interest of any future child or children.

Edited January 17, 2022 by kicotan
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[65mickey]

11 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

I wonder if Kody thinks playing with the logs makes him look productive, so we won't notice that he doesn't have an actual job. Or maybe he just wants us to see that he has a big log, since he obviously has no balls.

Janelle needs a t shirt that says Teflon Queen. And what was Kody's reference to bullying about? Is he talking about Robyn being bullied, or her kids?

 

 

 

He has said it before that Robyn has been bullied. That she is sweet and obedient and that the other wives and their children have bullied her. 

As far as peeling the logs what is this going to do? Has he never watched shows like Home town. They have a huge workshop full of expensive equipment that splits, cuts, trims and planes the wood to get clean  level boards with which to build things. I have no idea what Kody hopes to accomplish with those huge logs. Probably wants to appear oh so manly.

[deirdra]

1 hour ago, Pooky said:

He said overweight and it's no secret lol

and to a 19 yr old, 51 is OLD! lol

Robyn would always call Kootie during his visits to the original families. When he went to visit Meri on her driveway, Robyn called moments after he stepped out of his vehicle.

Edited January 17, 2022 by deirdra

[RedDelicious]

4 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

As far as peeling the logs what is this going to do?

I wondered if he planned to sell them for extra household money (for Robyn). 

[JayDub1987]

I used to do my full rundown of the episode on here, but it just feels repetitive now. Kody is a self-absorbed asshat, and it just gets more obvious with every episode. Yes, Christine did do some traveling, but his bashing of Janelle to her son was complete BS. Wasn't she going to help care for her grandchild who had just had major surgery? Oh wait, Kody only cares about members of the "family" who still live under his supervision (Robyn and her kids). 

If Gabe had walked over and punched Kody in the mouth the episode would have been perfect. There's not a redeeming quality to be found in Kody. Doesn't their religion teach that if he doesn't have 3 wives he doesn't get into super-heaven or whatever they call it? Well if Janelle bails on him, he's gonna have a hard time finding a third dimwit to sign up to marry him if they've seen this show.

I try not to wish ill on people who in general, especially those I've never met. But if Kody fell into the sewage pond out there on Coyote Piss and never came back out, society would probably be a better place

[deirdra]

Peeled logs are used to make log cabins, but it takes more than 5 logs, and professional log cabin builders will use a machine to peel all 100+ logs at once.  Also, if you stack them so that air can flow under and around them (i.e. don't leave them on the ground like Kodoofus), they dry out and practically peel themselves. If he wanted to sell the 5 logs, buyers might prefer them with the bark on.

[notnowimbusy]

I think poor Gabe was wrong about one thing - it is Robyn calling the shots.  She is nattering in Kody's ear all day/night.   She whips up his anger, plants doubts about anybody else following his rules, makes the neurotic behavior of her kids all about their love for Kody, their constant need to have him there, and I'm sure she has made any suggestion of intimacy with another wife out of the question.   Covid has worked out perfectly for Robyn.   She can deny it all she wants, but if Covid ended tomorrow, there is no way Kody would return to spending time at anybody else's house.   And Robyn will always remind him how they were not loyal to him.  

[Jeanne222]

9 hours ago, Pegasaurus said:

I've had this same thought a few times!

While we viewers watch this stuff, in disgust and anger, the Browns are meeting up at Meri's mansion for drinks and laughs as the wives each toss their house keys into the basket so Kody can draw his wife for the week.

I guess we'll all see how this season plays out next season!

I do think with this 'hit' season the Browns are rolling in the dough!