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I've never used drugs, because it's never sounded enjoyable to me. I have friends who have talked about their experiences. They mostly make me shudder. 

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1 hour ago, ZootSuitWyatt said:

I may have to rewatch, did Jeff confirm that he sent the postcards (and not just the texts)?

He said he sent them to Tai and Nat but did not mention Misty at all.

1 hour ago, snarts said:

So Shauna showed Nat & Tai the bag used for the blackmail money and said she'd found it Adam's closet. But didn't they already find that bag in trash dumped by the blackmailer (Jeff)?

Damn, good point. I really can’t decide if all these little things are continuity errors or if they’re gonna come up again.

So who all was included in the frenzied chasing of Travis?  Lottie, Shauna?  Were Tai & Van there too or was that when they were off hooking up? Jackie was locked in pantry.  Nat was with Coach and Misty was spying on them.  So who were the others?

It was Lottie, Shauna, Mari, Akilyah, and presumably some or all of the nameless girls.

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I thought they just found the stuff Jeff dumped out? I don't recall Shauna having a bag with her when she got out of her car to confront Adam. 

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3 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I thought they just found the stuff Jeff dumped out? I don't recall Shauna having a bag with her when she got out of her car to confront Adam. 

Yes, we saw them find the garbage he dumped, but no bag.

Count me in among those who say the mushrooms didn't lead to savages trying to murder someone.  Mushrooms don't do that.  I'm more inclined to believe their hallucinations were due to the fermented berries - they were drinking what looked like sludge.  God only knows what molds and bacteria and whatnot grew in the fermenting brew.  That, plus near starvation, would be the more likely culprit.

So we're never going to find out who Adam is?  While I did not think he was Javi, I also am finding it incomprehensible that Adam just randomly chose to have an affair with Shauna that led to him being mindlessly in love with her.  She is a cold, cold fish, and very creepy, IMO.  Of them all, she is the creepiest one, clearly capable of murder without remorse.  Look what you made me do! 

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As someone who has tripped on acid more than once, I can tell you, that wasn't a realistic portrayal.

Yeah I would never definitively say you can't see some stuff but the hallucinations are usually not that whole sale it's more like everything you are seeing is real, but your perceptions are so heightened that they feel OUTSIZED, and you get quickly overwhelmed by really simple things. Like I was freaked out by a kid trailing blue Extra gum over his lip and chin at a rock show, was it a weird creepy thing to do? Not really was it when your are high an acid? YES.

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27 minutes ago, izabella said:

 

So we're never going to find out who Adam is?  While I did not think he was Javi, I also am finding it incomprehensible that Adam just randomly chose to have an affair with Shauna that led to him being mindlessly in love with her.  

Plus there's the issue of Adam's back tattoo, which features mountains and symbols. If he's a fanboy stalker then he's a really dedicated one. There was also strange dialogue when Shauna confronted Adam with the knife. He said something along the lines of "We can fix this, nothing's happened yet" which seemed weirdly out of context. I think there's more to be discovered. The women are going to have to thoroughly scrub the apartment when they remove the body, so maybe they'll unearth some evidence exposing his identity and motives.

One thing I can be sure of, is we won't find a driver's license with Javier Martinez written on it. Nat and Tai saw Adam and nothing about his appearance rang a bell. I think that theory is officially debunked (thankfully). 

And speaking of the body, what the hell are they going to do with him? I'm praying we don't get a scene where each woman carries a suspiciously stuffed gym bag out of the building. 😳

Eta: Also Tai's comment about Shauna's texts being in Adam's cloud has me wondering. Assuming someone reports Adam missing and the police (hello, Kevyn Tan) investigate, how is Shauna going to explain this? 

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On 1/9/2022 at 1:54 PM, calliope1975 said:

 

I knew Travis was going to be okay but that was still very tense. Damn that got scary real fast. 

 

I forgot for a minute that he WAS alive present-day.

 

1 hour ago, iMonrey said:

 

As someone who has tripped on acid more than once, I can tell you, that wasn't a realistic portrayal. It was more along the lines of those cautionary tales whipped up by Afterschool Specials. Like anyone who does drugs automatically thinks they can fly and climbs up on the roof and jumps. The idea that Shauna was hallucinating Travis as a deer (or whatever animal she was seeing) is pretty preposterous. Maybe the fermented berry wine made the acid trip that much more intense, but I think the more likely outcome would be projectile vomiting.

This show demands a strong suspension of disbelief, I'm finding.

I have done mushrooms and I was also drinking (and maybe smoking something too) and I saw weird images but I did not imagine my friends turning into another being, and definitely didn't want to stab anyone.  Lol it does seem like an Afterschool Special!

Yeah for sure!

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19 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

I forgot for a minute that he WAS alive present-day.

I did forget for a few seconds so I was not super serene during that scene. I think it was when it looked like they were pulling his skin off his face that I was like, oh wait, he at least makes it to adulthood. Doesn't mean they couldn't have done some serious but nonfatal damage.

I've only done cannabis and that just makes me chill and sleepy so I have no knowledge on the accuracy, but lets hope no one crashes in the wilderness, starves, and drinks and eats questionable berry juice with psychedelic mushrooms to fact check that scene. Unless Mythbusters wants to take it on. 

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Well that escalated quickly! Both with Shauna and Adam and then with the girls on the forest. I feel like the girls quickly going all cannibal cult might have been more the fault of whatever nasty hooch they were drinking, who knows what kinds of rot was in that concoction, so that mixed with shrooms and the worsening situation left them all in a terrible place where things going bad seemed inevitable. We know that Travis survives, but holy shit that was intense, it really did look like they were going to eat him.  

I am still not so sure that Adam didn't have any secrets, but now that he's dead its likely that he was just a red herring. The real blackmailer was Jeff, and I like that it was the most obvious person instead of the show trying to create some ridiculous twist, I would much rather have a twist that I saw coming because it makes sense then a twist that I never saw coming because its nonsense. I do think that Jeff loves Shauna, and him trying to take the blame for killing Adam was a sweet sentiment, even if he isn't the brightest guy and would inevitably crumble during the second interrogation. I don't think Shauna has much love for him though, or probably for anyone. Its pretty conspicuous that she has never told anyone that she loves them even after they say it to her. 

"There's no book club?" cracked me up, I really appreciate that the show always adds in moments of levity in between the creepiness and drama. 

Coach Scott telling Van and Taissa how brave they were for kissing in front of everyone was really nice, and I really like his friendship with Natalie. The poor guy is probably not long for this world though now that Misty knows he isn't into her. I wonder if his boyfriend Paul will end up playing some part in things? They've mentioned him twice now and we have never seen him, he might be a good candidate for someone who could be after what really happened in the mountains. 

Lottie has taken a seriously creepy turn, without Laura Lee around to put a positive spin on her visions/delusions her visions have taken a dark turn very quickly. Laura Lee convinced her that her visions are real, but she saw them as visions from God that could save them, but now that she's dead, I fear Lottie will only get half of that. 

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2 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

I think it was when it looked like they were pulling his skin off his face that I was like, oh wait, he at least makes it to adulthood.

That didn't actually happen though, right?  I thought it was just Travis or Shauna's mushroom/hooch induced vision.

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

I would much rather have a twist that I saw coming because it makes sense then a twist that I never saw coming because its nonsense.

Ideally I'd like a twist that surprises me but that also makes sense. Best of both worlds lol.

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7 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

That didn't actually happen though, right?  I thought it was just Travis or Shauna's mushroom/hooch induced vision.

I assumed it was a hallucination. It looked like prosthetic skin being pulled away like a mask which isn't how skin works in real life. Or I don't think so. This show has me questioning general human anatomy so ??? 🤨

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Just now, calliope1975 said:

This show has me questioning general human anatomy so ??? 🤨

Yea, Van having a gaping hole in her face so much that you could see her teeth that healed in like a couple weeks really makes you think lol.

ETA: Unless that was also a hallucination, which maybe makes more sense.

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6 hours ago, snarts said:

So Shauna showed Nat & Tai the bag used for the blackmail money and said she'd found it Adam's closet. But didn't they already find that bag in trash dumped by the blackmailer (Jeff)?

 

In the thread for that episode, I posted that I went back and watched them find the stuff from the bag. I was looking for a clue as to who the blackmailer was, not sure if it was significant whether the bag was left behind or not. But Shauna had mentioned earlier that her daughter had made it for Jeff and he kept it with his special things (which, not nice Shauna, though she did think he was cheating and I still think he can be condescending). I figured if the bag was left and just the money taken, it might not be Jeff, because the bag meant something to him, but if it was taken, maybe it was Jeff. Seems like a blackmailer wouldn't risk there being a second tracker sewn in or something. It wouldn't be definitive, but I was curious, so I rewatched. Shauna says the blackmailer dumped out the stuff they'd put in to hide the tracker. I couldn't see the bag, but I also couldn't tell if it wasn't there for sure. From what I could see, I didn't think it was. 

I know time has passed and even if Van healed quite a bit, and I am so glad Van and Tai got the moment with everyone happy for them, that much face-touching and kissing would hurt (that was pre shroomfest.   

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12 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Because I doubt it was Jeff.  And yeah I love what blows his mind isn't that Shauna killed someone but that there isn't a book club.

Well, he did read her journals. I somehow doubt killing someone is the most shocking thing she might have done. I think she might have been really honest in her journals, before, during and after. I think it wasn't just Shauna having sex with Jeff, but what she wrote about him. And I suspect the same ever after. I also noticed neither Tai nor Nat were surprised she kept journals that would describe that time.

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8 hours ago, snarts said:

This, no way she'd have been able to eat enough to stay alive and avoid infection. 

No, it hasn't been long enough for Van to starve even if she can't eat much. With sufficient water it's possible to last a month or even more before starving to death, and water is the one thing that isn't a problem for them. But also, she can use water to slurp food down without having to chew it.

I wonder if Taissa and Van would have come out if Laura Lee were still alive, and what her reaction would have been. But there's no question that Laura Lee's absence has had a negative impact on Lottie.

The girls with Travis was completely Maenad/Bacchae-inspired. Maybe when Shauna sobers up she'll make the reference. I'm sure she knows her Greek mythology. I liked how much the show pulled from that inspiration.

I don't know that the group will officially splinter, but there were girls who crossed a line and girls who didn't, and that is going to affect the group dynamics tremendously. There's Taissa, Van, Natalie and Jackie (plus the three guys who will naturally ally with them); there's Lottie, Shauna and the rest of the girls except Misty; and then there's Misty who really is her own category. It will be interesting to see how everyone acts the morning after.

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Also, one thing that really struck me about Jeff and Shauna's discussion of her journals and time in the wilderness was that there was no mention in the conversation of the baby. Their baby. She had to have written about her pregnancy in her journals. It makes me think that was one thing she did tell him about after the rescue, and maybe that's what got him to start really looking at her as a potential real partner. Because for all that he was "my wife's pretty amazing too" to Jackie's parents, we saw that at the time, he was not into Shauna like he was Jackie.

ETA: Okay, one more thought, LOL. When Van pulled her mask down and we saw how she's scarred, it made me think they have a very good setup for being able to introduce an adult survivor and have us know exactly who she is immediately. With Taissa's marriage on the rocks (although I still like Simone), it would be very interesting if her first love was still alive.

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Thoughts on why Jackie dumped the 'shroom stew while sitting on the log with Shauna? Did she know about the extra ingredient? On the one hand, I would not put it past Her Bitchy Highness to reject anything that Shauna offered her, but, um, wasn't that really expected to be their last decent meal for a long time? Seemed weird.

Then during her mutual virginity-losing sex with Travis she's all porn-starry moaning and sighing, but right back to droll mean girl right after with her "it was... nice"? She's just awful, yet so realistic. And she did look great in her Doomcoming outfit. Really, all of them did, though it was tough to not be thinking "huh, maybe if you put some of the energy dedicated to the weaving and construction of boutonnieres and Phantom masks into hunting and gathering you might last a little longer?"

Too bad about Adam. I really hope Misty hasn't already killed Coach, or the pretty-man quotient will really be in the toilet.

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4 minutes ago, Dewey Decimate said:

Thoughts on why Jackie dumped the 'shroom stew while sitting on the log with Shauna? Did she know about the extra ingredient?

I thought it was the ungodly alcohol rot that she dumped, and assumed she didn't want to be drunk for her first time having sex.

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Peter Gadiot confirms that Adam was not Javi. I hope this episode finally shuts that idiocy down. 
 

"Like everyone, we had a lot of questions about really what was the motivation for Adam," Gadiot exclusively told E! News. "There's a lot of speculation about all of these different potential scenarios, but as far as I can tell, no one has actually guessed what the truth is: he is actually just who he says he was." 
 

https://www.eonline.com/ca/amp/news/1315611/spoiler-unpacks-that-shocking-yellowjackets-murder

Yes, Peter, some of us did guess that he was just a regular guy, but we were drowned out by the crazies.

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I’ve did acid a few times years ago, and although my experiences were nothing like theirs (although there were hallucinations), I always did it in a safe space. The one time I took it in “public” (a work party), I fled there and it turned fairly dark, and I rushed home to be alone in my apartment.  I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have taken it for the first time under those circumstances. The effect of a shared psychosis amongst them also changed the usual dynamics.

Hallucinations from LSD are more like colors looking different or seeing light streaks. Not like seeing a person and thinking it's a deer, or seeing a lamp and thinking it's a table. But I don't want to belabor the point (any more than I already have). This show is asking its audience to "just go with it" on occasion, and I'll give it a pass so long as it continues to entertain.

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I thought it was the ungodly alcohol rot that she dumped, and assumed she didn't want to be drunk for her first time having sex.

That wasn't Jackie's first time having sex, she slept with Jeff. That was established in Episode 1. 

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So we're never going to find out who Adam is?  While I did not think he was Javi, I also am finding it incomprehensible that Adam just randomly chose to have an affair with Shauna that led to him being mindlessly in love with her.  She is a cold, cold fish, and very creepy, IMO.  Of them all, she is the creepiest one, clearly capable of murder without remorse.  Look what you made me do! 

Ultimately I think the point of Adam was just to show how crazy Shauna really is. I honestly didn't expect her to kill him - that was like a turning point. It's funny, there were all these theories flying around about who he "really" was and that's exactly what was going on in Shauna's head too, only she took it further than I expected.

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1 hour ago, Black Knight said:

The girls with Travis was completely Maenad/Bacchae-inspired. Maybe when Shauna sobers up she'll make the reference. I'm sure she knows her Greek mythology. I liked how much the show pulled from that inspiration.

 

I also thought of that immediately.  Has anyone read Mary Renault?  She wrote a series of briliiant novels based upon Greek mythology.  One of them involved Ariadne after her escape from Croesus and her maenad tearing Bacchus apart on Crete.  I believe the book is The King Must Die.  Highly recommend.

That was a scary, freaky episode.  The girls came so close to tearing Travis apart as a stag/sacrifice.  I wonder so much what Travis meant in the present when he said Tell Nat she was right.  I think we will see the mystery of Travis solved in the final episode but everything else will be left to the next season.  For instance, I do not believe we will see any cannibalism yet.  Not that I want to.  Though if we did, I nominate Jackie.

I did LSD once.  It made me fall asleep and have weird dreams.  No way could I have run through the woods and tried to chop off the head of an imaginary stag.

 

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36 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

That wasn't Jackie's first time having sex, she slept with Jeff. That was established in Episode 1. 

No, it wasn't. The show deliberately made a point of showing Jeff and Jackie engaging in something other than PIV sex, while making it unambiguous in Jeff and Shauna's case. Jackie confirmed a couple of times in this episode as well as a previous one (I forget which, I binged the last four episodes, so they're all blurring a bit in my mind) that she and Jeff never did the full deed. That was her motivation for banging Travis; she'd decided she didn't want to die a virgin.

ETA: Found it, back in ep 6 "Saints." Jackie told Shauna that she shouldn't have made Jeff wait, and that if they die out there, someone else is going to be his first.

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I loved the moment when Jackie watches Shauna descend upon Travis with lust in her eyes. “Really? We’re sharing him, too?”

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On 1/9/2022 at 12:13 AM, BitterApple said:

My brain is so overloaded right now, I don't know where to begin.

Jeff being the blackmailer, okay. Getting into hot water with loan sharks to save his failing businesses. Gosh, he's not too bright is he? Speaking of not too bright, really Shauna? The flight number is your safe combo? 

There has to be more to Adam, right? If he was just a fanboy, then why the alias and the lies? The Javi theory is dead, but I bet they'll find out something about him when they get rid of the body.

Doomcoming was...holy shit. They went from pleasantly tripping to dangerously feral frighteningly quick. 

Best nostalgia moments: A Trapper Keeper, Caboodle and Kissed By A Rose!!!!

Best lines:

"There's no book club?!!!!"

and,

"I'm GAY, GAY, GAY!!!!!" 

 

When Jeff said ……What, there’s no bookclub?!? ……. It just cracked me up, for me it was so unexpected to have such a real lol moment in this show!

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Black Knight said:

I thought it was the ungodly alcohol rot that she dumped, and assumed she didn't want to be drunk for her first time having sex.

But didn't she seem like the only one not experiencing hallucinations? I thought Shauna handed her the stew (and said something like "eat it for me"), which it seems they ate first, and then later distributed the round of funky berry wine as a party lubricant. But I could be wrong!

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6 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Peter Gadiot confirms that Adam was not Javi. I hope this episode finally shuts that idiocy down. 
 

"Like everyone, we had a lot of questions about really what was the motivation for Adam," Gadiot exclusively told E! News. "There's a lot of speculation about all of these different potential scenarios, but as far as I can tell, no one has actually guessed what the truth is: he is actually just who he says he was." 
 

https://www.eonline.com/ca/amp/news/1315611/spoiler-unpacks-that-shocking-yellowjackets-murder

Yes, Peter, some of us did guess that he was just a regular guy, but we were drowned out by the crazies.

I don’t think anyone is crazy for thinking up any number of scenarios.  I watched something last year, that people were raving about. The kind of show that annoys me now, which is why I almost didn’t watch Yellowjackets.  A different red herring every episode, and then it turned out to be a little old woman with some serious issues, who was barely a part of the show.  

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26 minutes ago, Anela said:

A different red herring every episode, and then it turned out to be a little old woman with some serious issues, who was barely a part of the show.  

Spoiler

Was that Clickbait on Netflix?

I am really enjoying this show but to be honest I thought it was a limited run series, I don't think I would have started it if I had known it was going to run for 5 seasons. I was really into LOST and used to read the message boards and all the theories and was disappointed in how that ended and how some questions were still not answered. So I hope they don't have a lot of supernatural aspects to this show and that we get answers.

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8 hours ago, Dewey Decimate said:

But didn't she seem like the only one not experiencing hallucinations? I thought Shauna handed her the stew (and said something like "eat it for me"), which it seems they ate first, and then later distributed the round of funky berry wine as a party lubricant. But I could be wrong!

My memory is Shauna pleaded with Jackie to eat a couple of times in this episode. That was probably for the audience’s benefit, so we’d understand right away that she didn’t eat the stew. And when Shauna handed her some hooch, she dumped that out, too.

This means Jackie could not experience what everyone else experienced—running the gamut from a lovely buzz to scary, violent hallucinations. And this will further separate her from the group. Tripping together can create tight bonds between people.

Also, they were tripping on some kind of mushrooms—not LSD. Two very different beasts. Plus, who knows what kind of mushrooms those were. Most likely they’re way different from the shrooms that some stoner guy called Dave was always sharing at parties way back in the day (I’m assuming everyone knew a Dave at one time or another). These may have stronger toxicity. Now some people have great experiences on mushrooms but bad ones on LSD, and vice versa. It depends on a lot of variables. The fact that everyone on the show was hungry, extremely stressed, and most likely sleep-deprived would heighten the effects. Add in the berry concoction and Lottie’s delusions, and you’ve got a great recipe for mass hysteria/psychosis. 

Anyway, that’s how I’m hand-waving everything, which is what I do when I’m enjoying a show like this. And I really loved this episode. 😊 

 

 

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Peter Gadiot confirms that Adam was not Javi. I hope this episode finally shuts that idiocy down. 
 

"Like everyone, we had a lot of questions about really what was the motivation for Adam," Gadiot exclusively told E! News. "There's a lot of speculation about all of these different potential scenarios, but as far as I can tell, no one has actually guessed what the truth is: he is actually just who he says he was." 
 

https://www.eonline.com/ca/amp/news/1315611/spoiler-unpacks-that-shocking-yellowjackets-murder

Yes, Peter, some of us did guess that he was just a regular guy, but we were drowned out by the crazies.

It doesn't make people 'crazies' to wonder about Adam or anything else. The writers are purposefully putting things in the show to make people theorize different things. It's what they want! It's literally the point lol. It's a mystery show.

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6 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:
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Was that Clickbait on Netflix?

 

Yep, that was the show. 

I also loved Lost, but by the end of it, it seemed like it was exactly what they'd been denying about the story. 

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13 minutes ago, Anela said:

i also loved Lost, but by the end of it, it seemed like it was exactly what they'd been denying about the story. 

Yea, the Lost writers (like many/most writers lol) were such liars. The writers for this don’t seem to be like that. They might be going too far in the other direction actually.

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On 1/10/2022 at 9:32 AM, peachmangosteen said:
On 1/9/2022 at 11:51 PM, Bulldog said:

 

Yea, it was totally fine. I can't decide if we're supposed to read into how easily and quickly Ben and Van healed or if we're just supposed to be like 'it's TV lol.'

I think we’re supposed to do that a lot with this show. Suspension of disbelieve can apply to a lot. I know it’s nit picky - lol - but the thing that irritates me the most in regards to this rule is the state of the girls’ clothing months in. They were all so crisp and clean that it drove me nuts. Jackie’s clothes especially. They’re all supposedly going feral and yet they’re dressed as if they’d stepped out of an A&F ad freshly laundered. 😂 Of all the things to think were ridiculous - that bugged me the most. Go figure.

Still like the show a lot tho. But am not super jazzed abt several seasons. Not looking forward to it being stretched out forever. 

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I think this show could be three good seasons, tops. Five would really be stretching it, especially since two of the major plot lines in 2021 have already wrapped up. The one remaining mystery is Travis' murder, but I don't think there's enough material in the present timeline to stretch that long.

I'm assuming more adult survivors will be revealed at the reunion, but then what? Where do they go with it? 

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15 hours ago, Black Knight said:

No, it hasn't been long enough for Van to starve even if she can't eat much. With sufficient water it's possible to last a month or even more before starving to death, and water is the one thing that isn't a problem for them. But also, she can use water to slurp food down without having to chew it.

It's Fall and none of them have had a nutritious diet since May. Van had a hole on the side of face. Even stitched up, it's a serious mouth wound.  There's a reason they give you antibiotics before any type of oral surgery.  Heck, some dentists prescribe them for a gum cleaning!

Her injuries were so severe that they initially thought she was dead and were trying to cremate her so sorry that I have to suspend disbelief over the miraculous recovery, especially coming on the heels of Coach surviving an amateur amputation.

Jackie tossed the stew, no magic mushroom ride for her. No explanation on why she's not eating but it was second time her turning down food was mentioned in the episode.

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9 hours ago, Anela said:

I don’t think anyone is crazy for thinking up any number of scenarios.  I watched something last year, that people were raving about. The kind of show that annoys me now, which is why I almost didn’t watch Yellowjackets.  A different red herring every episode, and then it turned out to be a little old woman with some serious issues, who was barely a part of the show.  

The “Adam is Javi” made zero sense, so that’s what I’m mostly referring to. 

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1 hour ago, snarts said:

It's Fall and none of them have had a nutritious diet since May. Van had a hole on the side of face. Even stitched up, it's a serious mouth wound.  There's a reason they give you antibiotics before any type of oral surgery.  Heck, some dentists prescribe them for a gum cleaning!

Her injuries were so severe that they initially thought she was dead and were trying to cremate her so sorry that I have to suspend disbelief over the miraculous recovery, especially coming on the heels of Coach surviving an amateur amputation.

I agree. I understand you have to give a little leeway to TV/movies, but Van's recovery is seriously pushing it. That said, I am glad for the character's sake that the disfigurement is relatively minor. I am hopeful that we see the adult version of Van in the next episode.

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4 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I agree. I understand you have to give a little leeway to TV/movies, but Van's recovery is seriously pushing it. That said, I am glad for the character's sake that the disfigurement is relatively minor. I am hopeful that we see the adult version of Van in the next episode.

It could be that the audience is seeing Van through Taissa’s eyes (during the mushroom trip), and not the way she really looks. Maybe we’ll see her look more maimed next week . Or not! 

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5 hours ago, Tipsymcstagger said:

I think we’re supposed to do that a lot with this show. Suspension of disbelieve can apply to a lot. I know it’s nit picky - lol - but the thing that irritates me the most in regards to this rule is the state of the girls’ clothing months in. They were all so crisp and clean that it drove me nuts. Jackie’s clothes especially. They’re all supposedly going feral and yet they’re dressed as if they’d stepped out of an A&F ad freshly laundered. 😂 Of all the things to think were ridiculous - that bugged me the most. Go figure.

That's been annoying me too. And the fact that they never had sunburns. That's one thing (and maybe the only thing lol) The Wilds did better than this; now those girls looked sunburned, weathered, and dirty lol.

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29 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

That's been annoying me too. And the fact that they never had sunburns. That's one thing (and maybe the only thing lol) The Wilds did better than this; now those girls looked sunburned, weathered, and dirty lol.

True, but “The Wilds” girls were on a beach/deserted island setup iirc, the Yellowjackets have a cabin built for long-term habitation and plenty of shade trees. I agree the clothes should be more worn out.

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10 minutes ago, MCMLXXVII said:

True, but “The Wilds” girls were on a beach/deserted island setup iirc, the Yellowjackets have a cabin built for long-term habitation and plenty of shade trees. I agree the clothes should be more worn out.

I feel like they'd still get burnt in the summer. I did kinda forget about the cabin though lol. Around how long had they been there when they found the cabin? Maybe they found the cabin just in time for summer lol.

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On 1/9/2022 at 8:00 PM, MCMLXXVII said:

Whoa, was not expecting all that with the almost orgy turned hunt. I guess hunger and ‘shrooms contributed to mass psychosis.


Jackie became  into a nihilist real quick since the previous episode. 
I loved all the dresses the girls wore. 
 

They still have a lot to cover baiting us with “what happened in the woods” and good to know there was at least one book published about the girls.


Jackie’s nihilistic turn made a lot of sense to me, actually. From the very first episode she’s seemed dissatisfied, restless, a little dead inside. Going through the motions with a boyfriend she seemed disinterested in, captain of the soccer team but disinclined to put energy into uniting the others when there was conflict, etc. She just seemed so bored with everything, probably because it all came so easy. Seems like she was past ready for the brighter lights of college but having that ripped away has left her empty. And now she’s lost her social status out there, and she’s jealous of how well Shauna’s coping and her rise in status. 

I find her an interesting study. She seems capable of genuine kindness (e.g. her scene doing Misty’s makeup) but she has a seriously malicious streak (outing Shauna’s pregnancy, sleeping with Travis). 

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I think Jackie is someone who, for all her outward confidence, had some insecurities that she tried to paper over with her confidence (faking it to make it, so to speak) and by negging her best friend a fair amount.

Remember that scene in the pilot where Coach meets with her, and he starts off by telling her that she's not the best player and naming other girls who are better - Shauna, Lottie, Taissa...and while she interrupts the litany by asking if this is a pep talk, it's clear that she's not surprised by the assessment, either.

She was raised by a rather delusional mother who thought she was smart and gifted when she wasn't really, and in this episode we got a telling further bit, I think, when she tells Misty what her mother used to say to her. Speaking of that scene - I'm not sure if that's a great example of Jackie's kindness, though I agree she is kind sometimes. Jackie has to know that Misty is talking about Ben; the show has shown us that the girls are well aware that Misty is crushing on Ben and that Ben is discomfited by her. She encourages Misty in this with some terrible life advice from her mother knowing that it can't lead to anything good. From Jackie's POV, either Misty fails in her seduction and is deeply humiliated and heartbroken, the likely scenario (I doubt Jackie suspected Misty would go as far as drugging him), or Ben actually has sex with her (as Jackie doesn't know he's gay) which would be seven kinds of wrong given their ages and his position of authority. I actually think Jackie's scene with Misty is another example of her current nihilistic outlook on life. She's about to break the girl code in going after Travis and so she doesn't give a fuck about encouraging this other interaction that can only go terribly wrong.

The two things I think Jackie had actual confidence about was that Jeff and Shauna loved her. That's gone now. As she admitted to Travis in this episode, she actually didn't love or even like Jeff, which was obvious from the pilot onwards. But her best friend really has broken her heart. And none of the rest of it was true either - Coach said she was captain because she had influence, but it turns out she doesn't so much. Shauna said everyone loved her, but she's actually at the bottom of the social ladder now - she's hanging out with Misty!

It's going to be interesting to see what happens next, though. The girls are so mad at Jackie for having sex with Natalie's ex-boyfriend Travis, so imagine what they would think of Shauna and Jeff. Shauna will have to do some scrambling if Jackie chooses to detonate the Jeff bomb publicly in an attempt to reverse her and Shauna's standing in the group. Having sex with your best friend's boyfriend and getting pregnant by him is orders of magnitude worse than having sex with the ex-boyfriend of a girl you're not really friends with, if potential Antler Queen Lottie is going to be so judgmental...

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31 minutes ago, Black Knight said:

It’s going to be interesting to see what happens next, though. The girls are so mad at Jackie for having sex with Natalie's ex-boyfriend Travis, so imagine what they would think of Shauna and Jeff. Shauna will have to do some scrambling if Jackie chooses to detonate the Jeff bomb publicly in an attempt to reverse her and Shauna's standing in the group. Having sex with your best friend's boyfriend and getting pregnant by him is orders of magnitude worse than having sex with the ex-boyfriend of a girl you're not really friends with, if potential Antler Queen Lottie is going to be so judgmental...

I do wonder how/ if girl code applies when Travis is “the last man on earth” in this situation. I mean Ginger and Mary Ann vied over the professor, but they still had Gilligan, the Captain and various guest stars.

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9 hours ago, Black Knight said:

She was raised by a rather delusional mother who thought she was smart and gifted when she wasn't really, and in this episode we got a telling further bit, I think, when she tells Misty what her mother used to say to her. Speaking of that scene - I'm not sure if that's a great example of Jackie's kindness, though I agree she is kind sometimes

I don't think Jackie isn't smart. She's not gifted academically like Shauna, but not many people are. But yes, she's more like "above average" in everything vs. extraordinary. She's the person who is always like, top 25% in everything she does, but never the top spot. Which, is generally more useful in my opinion to be merely good at everything vs. great in one or two things. That said, a couple things she is not good at is reading the room (at least in the wilderness, where the social dynamics have changed) and being useful in an emergency situation.

 

At first I was pretty aghast at Jackie repeating her mother's terrible advice to Misty, but I thought she redeemed herself by 1. telling Misty her mother probably wasn't a great source and 2. telling Misty that Misty deserved someone that was really into her. It might have gone over Misty's head, but I thought Jackie was saying that Misty should not chase someone who isn't interested but wait for someone who really likes her. I mean, how Misty's going to do that in the wilderness is unclear, but the advice wasn't bad all the same. 

9 hours ago, MCMLXXVII said:

I do wonder how/ if girl code applies when Travis is “the last man on earth” in this situation. I mean Ginger and Mary Ann vied over the professor, but they still had Gilligan, the Captain and various guest stars.

Well, it might have been different if the girl who broke code was anyone but Jackie. She has not endeared herself to many people. In that same respect, I am not sure the girls will gang up on Shauna either since Jackie is the injured party in question.

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2 hours ago, Tatum said:

I am not sure the girls will gang up on Shauna either since Jackie is the injured party in question.

Yea, I can't see many of them caring about Shauna/Jeff at this point. Maybe if it had been revealed earlier on it would have been worse for Shauna but now I don't see it.

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On 1/11/2022 at 2:20 AM, Armchair Critic said:
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Was that Clickbait on Netflix?

I am really enjoying this show but to be honest I thought it was a limited run series, I don't think I would have started it if I had known it was going to run for 5 seasons. I was really into LOST and used to read the message boards and all the theories and was disappointed in how that ended and how some questions were still not answered. So I hope they don't have a lot of supernatural aspects to this show and that we get answers.

Really, five seasons…..geez I can’t imagine, I might not make it, that could be ten years lol 😂 

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6 minutes ago, endure said:

Really, five seasons…..geez I can’t imagine, I might not make it, that could be ten years lol 😂 

Not sure how they could stretch out the story that long.  Not to mention, they're supposed to be stranded high schoolers in the flashbacks. It'd be hard to keep them looking the same-ish over that many seasons.

Speaking of, shouldn't they all be losing some weight? It's been 4-5 months now and Jackie's the only one looking a little emaciated.  

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Just now, snarts said:

Speaking of, shouldn't they all be losing some weight?

Yea, but I don't really want them to make the actresses starve just for that bit of realism.

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Ultimately I think the point of Adam was just to show how crazy Shauna really is. I honestly didn't expect her to kill him - that was like a turning point. It's funny, there were all these theories flying around about who he "really" was and that's exactly what was going on in Shauna's head too, only she took it further than I expected.

Also, between Adam simply appearing, her husband being secretive (and blackmailing her), her crazy past coming back to haunt her, (and daughter trying to blackmail her! I wouldn't go so far as to absolve her going directly to killing Adam, but she has been on edge. Going back to killing bunnies (hopefully doesn't mean she's pregnant!). 

Yeah, I've been wondering if Jeff knows or now knows because of the diaries - about the baby. It seems like a strange thing to keep from him since it is/was his, but also strange because we don't know what happened to it in the wilderness. Not sure if it's something I'm ready for. Also, with all this sex going on (with Travis...), I hope there aren't more pregnancies!

I would definitely like to see some roots for Nat and longer hair for the rest - besides Tai now.  

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