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11 minutes ago, T Summer said:

In the ep 6 podcast Rachna Fruchbom  who herself is Indian, spoke of wanting  to depict an Indian family living in Queens and  to highlight the  Diwali celebration.

I'd love to know how she felt about the finished product, because it seemed like the only real reason for that setpiece was to give Carrie another OTT getup (which was not a sari, despite all the discussion of one and a trip to sari shop that noticeably did not have saris) and hairdo. The Diwali celebration scene lasted two minutes - if that.

11 minutes ago, T Summer said:

First off, it's so obvious this guy thinks every word he utters is pure genius.

Was just reading about those elsewhere, he sounds positively insufferable.

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No @ifionlyknew you are NOT taking it too personally.

What is the point of bringing back beloved characters if you are going to ignore who they are?  It's such a disservice to the fans.  I know I'm preaching to the choir but god it makes no damn sense to me.

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1 minute ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

No @ifionlyknew you are NOT taking it too personally.

What is the point of bringing back beloved characters if you are going to ignore who they are?  It's such a disservice to the fans.  I know I'm preaching to the choir but god it makes no damn sense to me.

@Ms Blue Jay I remember you and I and our fellow SATC board  posters migrating to this board and speculating what would happen to the characters in the reboot and none of us had Carrie throws up on a date, Charlotte publicly berates Harry for rightfully expecting an I'm sorry after Charlotte knocked him down and Miranda starts an affair with an asshole in Carrie's kitchen on our bingo cards.

I will never understand why the writers have done this.

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6 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:

If they wanted to tell all those stories then they should have created a new show and wrote those stories. 

Maybe I'm taking this too personally but I loved SATC  and even though I knew this reboot was going to disappoint I was looking forward to spending more time with these characters. But it is now painfully obvious I care more about these characters than these writers do.  

Well you know why they'd pick this vehicle, it was already wildly successful and a reboot  certain to be greenlighted. Now they can just fold in their pet issues and personal stories. A heck of a lot easier than being creative and writing new  stories!

 ... and they'd have to do it for a demographic that's more challenging to write for. There's  already a ton of TV shows and movies featuring 30somethings. 

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6 minutes ago, T Summer said:

Well you know why they'd pick this vehicle, it was already wildly successful and a reboot  certain to be greenlighted. Now they can just fold in their pet issues and personal stories. A heck of a lot easier than being creative and writing new  stories!

 ... and they'd have to do it for a demographic that's more challenging to write for. There's  already a ton of TV shows and movies featuring 30somethings. 

Couldn't MPK reboot Two Broke Girls and stuff all this nonsense in there as his mea culpa for offensive stereotypes and be done with it? 

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3 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Wow, what an asshole.  

Right? That was only 8-1/2 years ago. Dude does not like it being suggested that he's an offensive hack.

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Later in the session, when the reporter persisted in trying to find out whether or not King had made changes to the show at the behest of CBS, King asked the reporter his name (it was Tim Molloy of TheWrap.com). “So you’re Irish,” King said. “I’m Irish. We’ve identified your sexual problem.”

SJP's good buddy!

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I actually wanted to like show, "2 Broke Girls".  Kat Dennings is a lot more of an intelligent actor than that show gave her credit.  But it was full of offensive jokes.  It was such hackneyed, cheap gags for THAT time when it came out.  By the time it came out, it was already outdated.  It's just.  not. funny.  He seems like a dick who places blame on the audience instead of accepting some, and it seems like his new proteges are following suit.

Good thing for Kat she has "Dollface" now.  That's a much better show. I enjoyed Season 1.

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6 hours ago, ivygirl said:

Many of us had affection for the key players—I mean, I know Berger was kind of petulant, but I still found he had some appeal and humor; and someone here said they liked Richard (whom I never found appealing—but it shows there was something attractive about his character, to some women). 

Richard had a swagger that I loved--and as badly as he acted, he knew Samantha was worth ten of him. I love a man with self-confidence. There's something very attractive about knowing you're not going to have to spend the evening talking him through in insecurities. (Why is why I despised Berger.) I loved Steve for the same reason--he wasn't intimidated by Miranda, or threatened because she made more than he did. I loved it when he said to Miranda "I knew you'd come around." I'm not AT ALL happy with how they're depicting Steve in this.

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22 hours ago, gorgy said:

then got switched out for Anthony as the fourth because we gotta get him in for some reason.

The one thing I am not gonna give them a hard time about.  No one expected Stanford to die/run off to Japan when they started putting the story together.

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2 hours ago, T Summer said:

 

I listened to a couple of those AJLT writer's room podcasts ep 5 and 6 particularly where MPK lead the discussions with  a few of the female writers and producers.  First off, it's so obvious this guy thinks every word he utters is pure genius.

He states Samantha Irby "crafted" and wrote  the Tragically Hip episode. Besides Carrie's hip surgery  and Miranda's sexual awakening it's the one where Rose discloses identifying as gender non binary and wishing to be called Rock.

MPK  mentioned "Kelly in the writing room had this weird congenital hip defect"

Samantha Irby states she has a wife who's youngest announced she was a lesbian on a Tik Tok and that's how  the family found out.

Julie Rottenberg, one of the producers  states "I wanted to show the real struggle and journey that parents can go through  as the parent of a kid who decided they were   gender non binary at a certain age". 

MPK added they always  check  in with the G.L.A.A.D. the LGBT+ media advisory board on these issues.

In the ep 6 podcast Rachna Fruchbom  who herself is Indian, spoke of wanting  to depict an Indian family living in Queens and  to highlight the  Diwali celebration.

 

So they did have a bunch of their own  stories they wanted to tell.  That, and they were going to address every lack of diversity criticism ever lobbed at the old series, right out of the gate. Kind of sounds like they didn't have time to do much real writing.

 

So the writers took well-established, known and loved characters and wrote stories based on things that happened to them or they'd heard about from someone else, with some thinly written connecting material. Ok, that can work, as it probably often did in the SATC writers' room. However, when you treat these same characters as if they are history-less and soul-less paper dolls you can hang any behavior onto, no matter how inconsistent with their previous behavior, and plop them into very contrived situations, well then, you create a dud of a failure like this show.

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41 minutes ago, CeeBeeGee said:

Richard had a swagger that I loved--and as badly as he acted, he knew Samantha was worth ten of him. I love a man with self-confidence. There's something very attractive about knowing you're not going to have to spend the evening talking him through in insecurities. (Why is why I despised Berger.) I loved Steve for the same reason--he wasn't intimidated by Miranda, or threatened because she made more than he did. I loved it when he said to Miranda "I knew you'd come around." I'm not AT ALL happy with how they're depicting Steve in this.

I loved Steve as well—and I can’t stand this depiction either. He had a sweetness and his own confidence.

And thanks for sharing why you enjoyed Richard!

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2 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

I loved Steve as well—and I can’t stand this depiction either. He had a sweetness and his own confidence.

And thanks for sharing why you enjoyed Richard!

I see the appeal of both men. Steve is more of a sweet adorkable fellow. Richard is more of the sexy, confident guy. Steve says something kind, and it's from the bottom of his heart. Richard says hi gorgeous, but even if he means it, it's from a lower part of his body.  

I prefer a Steve. 

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Steve literally dumped Miranda right before her company's party because she made more than him, so. Yes, it's good he got over that, but he did have stupid male ego issues at first. I would argue it was only when he opened his own bar that he stopped getting hung up on his class/finance issues regarding Miranda. Again, growth is great. Growth is very cool. But Steve really had to grow up a lot throughout SATC.

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5 hours ago, T Summer said:

 Richard was  appealing, but he was a prick.

You forgot perfect in every way Jerry Jarod a.k.a. Smith! He was a Saint!

Oh yeah! Smith! He was a sweet character. 

7 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I see the appeal of both men. Steve is more of a sweet adorkable fellow. Richard is more of the sexy, confident guy. Steve says something kind, and it's from the bottom of his heart. Richard says hi gorgeous, but even if he means it, it's from a lower part of his body.  

I prefer a Steve. 

Nice comparison. I prefer a Steve too 😊

That was the nice thing about the original show… the stories were good and if you didn’t connect or relate to one, you’d be sure to find another that you did. 

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A few pages back some posters were speculating about the possible return of Aiden, so I went and checked his IMBD. Didn't see any AJLT credits, but I did see something surprising. Does everyone other than  me already know who he (actor John Corbett) is married to?

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6 minutes ago, luna1122 said:

They've been together forever. 

Yes, the thing I read stated 20 years, I think? I had no idea

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31 minutes ago, T Summer said:

A few pages back some posters were speculating about the possible return of Aiden, so I went and checked his IMBD. Didn't see any AJLT credits, but I did see something surprising. Does everyone other than  me already know who he (actor John Corbett) is married to?

I believe the IMDB stuff is officially embargoed until an episode goes live. They may publish speculative cast information (or information for recurring cast) but I would consider it with an asterisk until the episode goes live.

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1 hour ago, Rai said:

Steve literally dumped Miranda right before her company's party because she made more than him, so. Yes, it's good he got over that, but he did have stupid male ego issues at first. I would argue it was only when he opened his own bar that he stopped getting hung up on his class/finance issues regarding Miranda. Again, growth is great. Growth is very cool. But Steve really had to grow up a lot throughout SATC.

Ah, didn't know that. (I haven't seen every episode.)

 

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1 minute ago, TakomaSnark said:

I believe the IMDB stuff is officially embargoed until an episode goes live. They may publish speculative cast information (or information for recurring cast) but I would consider it with an asterisk until the episode goes live.

Thanks, I was wondering if that ever happens? So I guess it's still a possibility.

I personally thought it was dopey to have twice burned Aiden seemingly mooning over Carrie "boy are you not like not like any other woman" in awful SATC movie #2, so I hope they don't go there.

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43 minutes ago, CeeBeeGee said:

Ah, didn't know that. (I haven't seen every episode.)

You need to.  It's so much better than this crap. 😄 Only some parts of Season 3 and most of Season 5 are bad.  Other than that I love it. 

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5 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:

If they wanted to tell all those stories then they should have created a new show and wrote those stories. 

Maybe I'm taking this too personally but I loved SATC  and even though I knew this reboot was going to disappoint I was looking forward to spending more time with these characters. But it is now painfully obvious I care more about these characters than these writers do.  

Bingo!  And no, I don't think you're taking this too personally.  It's amazingly tone deaf of MPK not to realize that many of the fans had a great love and affection for these characters and changing them too much and not necessarily in ways we would appreciate or feel are right for the characters would not only disappoint but actually hurt us.  How could he be that self absorbed not to know his audience that well after so many years?  But I guess he was so intent on proving to all his critics that he could make his show more progressive that he completely overlooked all of that.  And maybe he thought it might appeal to younger viewers and didn't care about how the older audience felt about it. 

They could have gradually made the characters and situations more progressive in ways that wouldn't offend the older audience but these writers chose to gut punch us with everything all at once to the extreme.  I feel like they're deliberately trying to shock the older audience as if making us uncomfortable will attract younger viewers and the progressive critics they want to impress.  The rest of us are obviously expendable to them.   Bad enough that so many of the fans are over 50 and starting to feel "invisible" anyway, but to feel like this show is ignoring what we want makes it even worse!

I feel like he allowed or even directed the writers to completely hijack the show for the purposes of focusing on their pet social issues as they have lived through them in their personal experiences.  That would be fine if they didn't completely redirect and/or destroy almost every single main character on a show with that much history and a diehard fanbase in the process.  It's too much too fast and sacrifices too much of what was good about the old series.   And as you say, if they wanted to do all that they should have written an entirely new series.

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Lots of things wrong with this episode (and let’s face it, the series in general) but for me the biggest problem was the suggestion that the only light at the end of Carrie’s dark, depressing tunnel is… dating. Yes, I know that it was the editor’s idea, but Carrie went along with it!

I get the part about providing a hopeful ending. But why is hope wrapped up in the prospect of another relationship? Why can’t Carrie write something about learning to stand on her own, and realizing happiness doesn’t depend on having a man to lean on? Can’t she mourn Big and embrace a future without him? Why can’t that be hopeful?

Also, Steve needs to leave Miranda. And explain his reasons on a post-it note.

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11 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

Also, Steve needs to leave Miranda. And explain his reasons on a post-it note.

I approve. And that pisses me off that I do since I loved this couple. But this reboot burned that all down...

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Now I wonder if I listened to AJLT the writer's room podcasts (they're up on You Tube), editions 1-4 and 7 if I'd hear where the rest of the show ideas came from? I don't think I could take more of MPK though. That was a lot  of source material cited in 2 partial podcasts that I listened to.

So I  did  listen to  the ep 7 one and MPK  seems to be stating 3 months is what went by, the time Carrie took to write her book. He also mentioned not making a big deal of Seema being the 4th at the table as they'd already done that with Anthony and it had  been 3 months.

MPK -"We came up with this idea where we  would go from fall through winter in one very slick   very technicolor montage where Carrie is writing through 3 months."

Before they launch into  10-15 minutes of DISGUSTING vomit talk., they talk about getting Carrie  to go out on a date using pressure from the publisher as the impetus. They touch on   the subject of whether to show Carrie getting her photo taken making a profile?  before ultimately deciding Seema will do it and "stage her", to make so  so easy  for Carrie.

MPK- "The interesting thing about that scene, in the editing room there were lots more jokes in it. When I was in the editing room I was like that feels like the old show, that feels like the old show. That feels like the old show. They're past that. There were jokes about we didn't date on apps, we used to get man's names off the cave walls."

 IDK what show they're talking about, because these women did not deal with online dating and making profiles  and they were in long term relationships when that  became  the way  lots of people  meet. Considering some of the other BS they've taken time up with, it doesn't seem like touching on these women being unfamiliar with dating this way would be a waste of time. Some might even consider it a glaring omission!

Then writer Elisa Zuritsky states  professor Nya and her husband  talking  about trying to get pregnant  and then realizing they're not is another  scene based on an experience of hers. She sent her husband  a text  meant for his eyes only saying she's wasn't pregnant and please don't tell the kids. Then she accidentally pressed a button that  prompted it to be read aloud by the robotic voice of the Apple play device, so the kids  in the car did hear it.

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Oh, and guess what? Elisa Zuritsky plays tennis and becomes aggressive and competitive when she plays,    diverging  from her normal people pleasing  ways. She has had fights with her husband over tennis but recalls one particularly bad one where they fought  in the street from the tennis court  all the way home.

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That's it! I can't put up with   this  egomaniac  long enough to listen to 1-4. I think we now know where they get their story ideas, and the material they come up with to string them together has been laden with way too much focus on  bodily functions... which has long been a refuge of untalented writers.

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9 minutes ago, T Summer said:

Now I wonder if I listened to AJLT the writer's room podcasts (they're up on You Tube), editions 1-4 and 7 if I'd hear where the rest of the show ideas came from? I don't think I could take more of MPK though. That was a lot  of source material cited in 2 partial podcasts that I listened to.

So I  did  listen to  the ep 7 one and MPK  seems to be stating 3 months is what went by, the time Carrie took to write her book. He also mentioned not making a big deal of Seema being the 4th at the table as they'd already done that with Anthony and it had  been 3 months.

MPK -"We came up with this idea where we  would go from fall through winter in one very slick   very technicolor montage where Carrie is writing through 3 months."

Before they launch into  10-15 minutes of DISGUSTING vomit talk., they talk about getting Carrie  to go out on a date using pressure from the publisher as the impetus. They touch on   the subject of whether to show Carrie getting her photo taken making a profile?  before ultimately deciding Seema will do it and "stage her", to make so  so easy  for Carrie.

MPK- "The interesting thing about that scene, in the editing room there were lots more jokes in it. When I was in the editing room I was like that feels like the old show, that feels like the old show. That feels like the old show. They're past that. There were jokes about we didn't date on apps, we used to get man's names off the cave walls."

 IDK what show they're talking about, because these women did not deal with online dating and making profiles  and they were in long term relationships when that  became  the way  lots of people  meet. Considering some of the other BS they've taken time up with, it doesn't seem like touching on these women being unfamiliar with dating this way would be a waste of time. Some might even consider it a glaring omission!

Then writer Elisa Zuritsky states  professor Nya and her husband  talking  about trying to get pregnant  and then realizing they're not is another  scene based on an experience of hers. She sent her husband  a text  meant for his eyes only saying she's wasn't pregnant and please don't tell the kids. Then she accidentally pressed a button that  prompted it to be read aloud by the robotic voice of the Apple play device, so the kids  in the car did hear it.

🙄

Oh, and guess what? Elisa Zuritsky plays tennis and becomes aggressive and competitive when she plays,    diverging  from her normal people pleasing  ways. She has had fights with her husband over tennis but recalls one particularly bad one where they fought  in the street from the tennis court  all the way home.

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That's it! I can't put up with   this  egomaniac  long enough to listen to 1-4. I think we now know where they get their story ideas, and the material they come up with to string them together has been laden with way too much focus on  bodily functions... which has long been a refuge of untalented writers.

It's one thing to use your life as a springboard for a story but to just litter personal and disjointed experiences all over firmly established characters in a way that isn't true to who they were or are... That's how you end up with the dumpster fire of AJLT.

Thanks for taking the bullet on listening to the discussion.

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I randomly came across this earlier today and it made me howl with laughter after the last two episodes of AJLT.

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12 hours ago, RedHawk said:

However, when you treat these same characters as if they are history-less and soul-less paper dolls you can hang any behavior onto,

Bingo, what a succinct description of the disease infecting this show.

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6 hours ago, T Summer said:

MPK -"We came up with this idea where we  would go from fall through winter in one very slick   very technicolor montage where Carrie is writing through 3 months."

It sure looked like more than 3 months to me, unless NYC has a far more compressed autumn, Winter, Spring than I imagined.  It gave off the vibe that Carrie was a prisoner, as well, trapped in the same window.

Now, for a truly “very slick very technicolour montage” showing the passage of seasons, see Notting Hill.  MPK may think they just came up with it, but I suspect they stole it - perhaps unconsciously - from that movie where it was done exceptionally well.

6 hours ago, TakomaSnark said:

It's one thing to use your life as a springboard for a story but to just litter personal and disjointed experiences all over firmly established characters in a way that isn't true to who they were or are... That's how you end up with the dumpster fire of AJLT.

Thanks for taking the bullet on listening to the discussion.

I echo the sentiment on your bravery and sacrifice.

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7 hours ago, TakomaSnark said:

Thanks for taking the bullet on listening to the discussion.

 

19 minutes ago, Trillian said:

I echo the sentiment on your bravery and sacrifice.

You're welcome! I'm out now, though. Can't do 1-4.

I think I could read  transcripts but MPK speaking just exudes pretentiousness.

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9 hours ago, T Summer said:

Now I wonder if I listened to AJLT the writer's room podcasts (they're up on You Tube), editions 1-4 and 7 if I'd hear where the rest of the show ideas came from? I don't think I could take more of MPK though. That was a lot  of source material cited in 2 partial podcasts that I listened to.

So I  did  listen to  the ep 7 one and MPK  seems to be stating 3 months is what went by, the time Carrie took to write her book. He also mentioned not making a big deal of Seema being the 4th at the table as they'd already done that with Anthony and it had  been 3 months.

MPK -"We came up with this idea where we  would go from fall through winter in one very slick   very technicolor montage where Carrie is writing through 3 months."

Before they launch into  10-15 minutes of DISGUSTING vomit talk., they talk about getting Carrie  to go out on a date using pressure from the publisher as the impetus. They touch on   the subject of whether to show Carrie getting her photo taken making a profile?  before ultimately deciding Seema will do it and "stage her", to make so  so easy  for Carrie.

MPK- "The interesting thing about that scene, in the editing room there were lots more jokes in it. When I was in the editing room I was like that feels like the old show, that feels like the old show. That feels like the old show. They're past that. There were jokes about we didn't date on apps, we used to get man's names off the cave walls."

 IDK what show they're talking about, because these women did not deal with online dating and making profiles  and they were in long term relationships when that  became  the way  lots of people  meet. Considering some of the other BS they've taken time up with, it doesn't seem like touching on these women being unfamiliar with dating this way would be a waste of time. Some might even consider it a glaring omission!

Then writer Elisa Zuritsky states  professor Nya and her husband  talking  about trying to get pregnant  and then realizing they're not is another  scene based on an experience of hers. She sent her husband  a text  meant for his eyes only saying she's wasn't pregnant and please don't tell the kids. Then she accidentally pressed a button that  prompted it to be read aloud by the robotic voice of the Apple play device, so the kids  in the car did hear it.

🙄

Oh, and guess what? Elisa Zuritsky plays tennis and becomes aggressive and competitive when she plays,    diverging  from her normal people pleasing  ways. She has had fights with her husband over tennis but recalls one particularly bad one where they fought  in the street from the tennis court  all the way home.

🙄

That's it! I can't put up with   this  egomaniac  long enough to listen to 1-4. I think we now know where they get their story ideas, and the material they come up with to string them together has been laden with way too much focus on  bodily functions... which has long been a refuge of untalented writers.

So disappointing.  I'm all for women having opportunities to tell their stories, but that doesn't automatically translate into good writing.  Especially if said writers are hired for a series that already has highly developed, aged characters.

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4 hours ago, Trillian said:

It sure looked like more than 3 months to me, unless NYC has a far more compressed autumn, Winter, Spring than I imagined.  It gave off the vibe that Carrie was a prisoner, as well, trapped in the same window.

Now, for a truly “very slick very technicolour montage” showing the passage of seasons, see Notting Hill.  MPK may think they just came up with it, but I suspect they stole it - perhaps unconsciously - from that movie where it was done exceptionally well.

I echo the sentiment on your bravery and sacrifice.

I immediately thought of "Notting Hill". Nope, they did not invent that montage and in "Notting Hill" it was easy to understand how much time had passed and it was wonderful how it showed the lives of characters at the market changing through time.

I thought I was clever when I surmised that we were to think that Carrie began her writing at the desk shortly after she first "walked herself home" to her old place, and that she has been writing ever since. The montage encompassed the three-month time jump during which she recovered from her hip surgery and the short time that she moved to the all-white apartment and then back to her old place. Thus, most of the months (maybe 7?) since Big died. But no, MPK says it has been three months, so I'm like, "They couldn't even get the montage right?"

It certainly takes more than three months to go from green leaves through winter to "spring" in NYC. Although, this show is apparently set in the future, after the pandemic ends (during which no one aged - ha!), so let's say they're depicting the effect of climate change.

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They arent even trying to get things right.  If they can't get the timeline right (for fuck sake they are writing the episodes so at the very least they should get that right) what hope is there they will get anything else right? It's insulting to viewers and I wish I could say it's insulting to the cast but we know both SJP and CN had input so they must have been on board with all of it 

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34 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:

They arent even trying to get things right.  If they can't get the timeline right (for fuck sake they are writing the episodes so at the very least they should get that right) what hope is there they will get anything else right? It's insulting to viewers and I wish I could say it's insulting to the cast but we know both SJP and CN had input so they must have been on board with all of it 

I realize that in the original series the writers and the viewers didn't pay close attention to a timeline, however, with Big's death a consistent timeline becomes more important for this series. It's up to the writers to make it make sense and they won't even give us that.

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14 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Lots of things wrong with this episode (and let’s face it, the series in general) but for me the biggest problem was the suggestion that the only light at the end of Carrie’s dark, depressing tunnel is… dating. Yes, I know that it was the editor’s idea, but Carrie went along with it!

I get the part about providing a hopeful ending. But why is hope wrapped up in the prospect of another relationship? Why can’t Carrie write something about learning to stand on her own, and realizing happiness doesn’t depend on having a man to lean on? Can’t she mourn Big and embrace a future without him? Why can’t that be hopeful?

Also, Steve needs to leave Miranda. And explain his reasons on a post-it note.

I for one, would love to see him leave her via a post it note.  And for a women who is supposedly as smart as Miranda, how can she not  not realize Che is just there for the readily available sex?  What’s happened to to kind Charlotte?  As for Carrie, hiding like a toddler because math teacher shows up.  Yet this kind man saves her from humiliation.   Write about that for your epilogue of a book about a husband I’m not sure you really liked.

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On 1/15/2022 at 1:36 PM, T Summer said:

 Richard was  appealing, but he was a prick.

You forgot perfect in every way Jerry Jarod a.k.a. Smith! He was a Saint!

He was saintly, and hot, and smart, and called Samantha on her BS. Aidan was also saintly, smart, and forgave Carrie a number of sins. Yet both those relationships ended, in a way that acknowledged that this or that person is a good person, but not right for this other person. Samantha was honest in her ending things with Smith, and they stayed friends. Carrie much less so, and she got a lot of flak for it, but it ended because they were each being true to themselves, and what they each needed couldn't coexist. This character assassination of Miranda and Steve is unconscionable. Miranda was always my favorite; I saw a lot of myself in her. I don't recognize this woman.

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On 1/15/2022 at 10:22 AM, RedHawk said:

Exactly. If you go to the auction “to support your friends” (Charlotte is also their friend) you should at least put in one or two silent bids. You don’t even have to bid to win. Is Carrie really so fragile that she can’t be a participant without 12 friends there? It was for a lunch

Anthony was urging Charlotte, “Do something!” when Carrie got no bids. Uh, why didn’t HE bid? Still wondering where Charlotte’s “three divorced dads” were that she was so eager to have Carrie meet. I guess they took one look at her and hit the bar instead. (Or they let the divorced moms deal with school auctions.) 

As I recall, Charlotte and Harry were looking at the silent auction stuff and I think Charlotte bid on something for Rock. 

ETA:  I never liked MPK.  Felt he was always far too full of himself and would be nothing without SJP.  I don’t know what her thing is with him, but with this reboot, he’s destroyed her legacy with SATC.

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