S09.E10: The Smell of Sweat and Desperation

[Bruinsfan]

55 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

I see it as Fraser looking for some fun, not a relationship, but I could be so wrong!

I hope you're right, but his hangdog expression and tone as he left the bunk to go mope on the deck said to me that he was catching feelings and was dejected to be the third wheel in that cuddle party. Hey, I've been there myself—but I ruthlessly squashed any denial about the reality of the situation or the nature of my own feelings.

[aghst]

47 minutes ago, iMonrey said:

Which wouldn't actually be the same as eating the foods separately. Each item on the plate has a different taste and a different texture. It's not the same when you put them all into a blender and mix them up. So she's not actually having the same experience as the other diners. A steak and a potato individually don't taste the same as a steak and a potato mashed together. Rachel could have easily pointed that out but instead they have to cater to this guest's nonsense. 

 

That puree request on the preference sheet, like the preference sheets themselves, came from the producers.

They probably hoped it would cause chaos and stress for Rachel and the stews.

Mission accomplished.

And if the guest puked the purees, all the better!

They probably told them, if you want to come on the show, it has to be now, not later when her mouth was no longer wired shut.

Wouldn't it have been dramatic if they had to cut the wires in her mouth on camera!

 

 

 

[Jobiska]

Rachel is obsessed with things going into or coming out of her own ass, most of the rest of them are obsessed with Jake's ass, and all of them are asses.  Except maybe Wes, but he can be sort of a donkey.

[Jsage]

9 hours ago, Jack Sampson said:

Lee will virtue signal and repeat his "words like those have no place on a yacht" line from his blog.  Then Andy will move along.  It's crazy that a salty sea dog like Lee would actually use woke buzz phrases like "do better".  Makes me think his blog is written for him.

I know Captain Lee would never say something like the word that Heather did, but I don’t think he’s very in touch with what is and isn’t appropriate these days. Just this episode, he called over the radio for the crew to get their “hot asses” to the crew mess for the tip meeting. Eddie joked back to him over the radio and it was just a funny little scene to watch. But any one of the crew could have found that comment offensive and spoke up about it. If they had, the ramifications could have blown up from there.

I’m not saying the crew should have been offended by an off-hand comment like that. It’s just that, with our culture the way it is now, I wouldn’t be shocked if it were to happen. I think it’s only a matter of time before Captain Lee says something that goes too far and gets himself in hot water with the Below Deck fandom and reality community.

[Xebug67]

20 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

She doesn't even get it.  Surely she watched her season.  And now she has watched herself "perform" on "Watch What Happens Live." Does she truly believe she's on her way to Bravolebrityhood?

But we KNOW what WE'RE pissed about, RAYNA!!  You're not cute.  You're certainly not smart...and Andy Cohen is not a good judge of anything.

She's not even GOOD at being an angry Black woman.  HEATHER...calling HEATHER!!  Heather, Rayna is all about the drama; let's hope the Bravo executives are not. Ignore her antics as much as you can.  Request that she NOT help with "Interior." She's the typical disgruntled employee who will head to the courthouse before anyone realizes there's a problem.

BIG DITTO, Uncle Juice!!!

Not if you're Prince Andrew of Cohen, egging on Rayna, showcasing her, making her believe SHE is in the right--and so beautiful.  She DID look very pretty last night...and showed how bright she is not.  Glad I didn't have to transcribe her comments.

My extreme dislike of Rayna is on a visceral level.  I find her to be ugly both inside and out, as well as a lying, petty, shit stirring, slutty malcontent of a drama queen as well as an Eeyore (so sorry for the insulting comparison, Eeyore).  Watching her eat is like watching a camel chew its cud.  Her WIDE OPEN mouth moves around in all these different and weird directions.

[Xebug67]

18 hours ago, Tanukisan said:

Episode Notes:

 

Ah, the aptly named Shitten Bay…

 

Fraser keeps revealing what a small person he really is – dissing Rachel because she has “one job” feeding the primary, then dissing the primary about how she’s a “drama queen”.  Really?  Sheesh.

 

And speaking of Rachel – the woman has been a Saint, bending over backwards to puree *everything* so the “primary” can have the “same experience” as all the other guests.  If it were me, I’d drop a chicken bouillon cube in some water, add some spices, and say “here’s your chicken breast shake”.  Once she found the rhythm, Rachel demonstrates yet again her brilliance as a chef.  Her absence from alcohol this season has made for less colourful appearances, but it makes me respect her as a chef professional extraordinaire.

 

Chelsea – I hate you.  You win the post as most annoying charter guest so far this season.  My only regret is that your lips weren’t wired shut as well as your jaw.

 

First Quote of the episode goes to Heather – “I’d rather scrub a bidet with my tongue than be leading this dinner service.”

 

Massive kudos to the crew for bringing and setting up a successful beach party.  At least, I think so… we couldn’t hear it…

 

Rayna is Satan’s armpit.  When this season first started I didn’t think I’d dislike anyone more than I disliked Heather, but Rayna has moved to the Number One spot very quickly.  What a hateful, empty person.  For someone who repeatedly says she’s “over” something and then churns up things like rancid butter, she’s just confirming the stereotype.  Rayna doesn’t just have a chip on her shoulder – it’s a beacon.  “That’s always how they make it out to be.”  Well, it could be because it’s true.  You are a vile person, and whining to others shows your true character.

 

At breakfast, Rachel is in the groove, serving the blended muck first.  Again, were it me, I’d dump an egg or two into a Carnation Instant Breakfast.

 

Captain Lee’s aphorisms are making me more frustrated than a mosquito in a mannequin warehouse.

 

Fraser is really showing himself to be such a weasel.  Dissing Heather one minute, hugging her the next – come on.

 

So again, normally no sympathy for Heather, but apparently she cut her foot/ankle pretty badly and had to carry on.  Kudos for buggering on.

 

Chelsea: “I can taste everything in here.”  Yeah, that’s because it’s BLENDED!

 

“Sally’s standing for you, Heather!”  Good job – couldn’t get that piece of crap to stand while anyone was watching…

 

There was a time when I would have eviscerated Heather for being late for her shift, but because of all the nonsense evil Rayna brought on her – not gonna do it.

 

I never realized how short Eddie was until this episode when it showed him on the same ground with his deck crew.  Almost makes his little girl s*** with the spider understandable.  Almost.

 

The less said about the Jake/Rayne/Fraser 3-way the better – and we could certainly do without the Jake/Rayna porn.  And did I mention:  Rayna = evil.

 

Big Quote of the episode:  “I’m just over it” – Rayna.  Yeah, except you aren’t.  And I wonder how many times we’ll hear about it the next episode.

 

All season long both Fraser and Rayna have been running neck and neck for most awful crew member IMO.  Every time I think one of them isn't as awful as the other, that one does something to prove me wrong.  IIRC, Fraser was two-faced with Heather initially, before he teamed up with her to haze Jess.  Now he's back to making snide remarks about her again, as well as trying to help make her look bad. 

Why wasn't anyone made aware that Heather had injured herself during that ridiculous segment surrounding Heather cutting her foot?  Does BRAVO really have to try to drive up bogus drama when there's no need for any?  Stupid rhetorical question on my part.  I already know that answer.

[TheCouchPotato]

Please, Bravo, blur out more or give me a warning to pull my eyes out. That scene with elf and Rayna is just bad porn. 🤮

[Back Atcha]

3 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I didn't watch WWHL but if Andy Cohen is taking Rayna's side it's most likely because she's sitting right there and Heather isn't and he's being as PC as possible. Plus he's not exactly known for nuance.

Not exactly "right there," but she was LIVE via ZOOM (or something similar).  Andy can't even SPELL "nuance."

[Back Atcha]

53 minutes ago, Xebug67 said:

Why wasn't anyone made aware that Heather had injured herself during that ridiculous segment surrounding Heather cutting her foot? 

ALLHELLBROKELOOSE when Captain Sandy didn't learn instantly about an injury during "off time"!

[Back Atcha]

1 hour ago, Xebug67 said:

Watching her eat is like watching a camel chew its cud.  Her WIDE OPEN mouth moves around in all these different and weird directions.

Was Heather REALLY "touching" the spaghetti with her fingers?  I thought she was doing something fairly common...using a piece of bread to scoop up bits of pasta.  Queen Reyna, Sophisticate and Arbiter of All Yacht Etiquette, has probably never seen that everyday technique.

[Back Atcha]

7 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Rayna said she did not want to make a big deal about it and low and behold she did,

 

7 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Rayna said she did not want to make a big deal about it and low and behold she did,

 

7 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Rayna said she did not want to make a big deal about it and low and behold she did

[dleighg]

9 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:

Was Heather REALLY "touching" the spaghetti with her fingers?  I thought she was doing something fairly common...using a piece of bread to scoop up bits of pasta.

yeah I think she was pushing the pasta onto the bread with her left hand. That is, both hands were in use: one to hold the bread and one to push.

[gatopretoNYC]

19 hours ago, Tanukisan said:

Captain Lee’s aphorisms are making me more frustrated than a mosquito in a mannequin warehouse.

😂😂😂

[aghst]

25 minutes ago, dleighg said:

yeah I think she was pushing the pasta onto the bread with her left hand. That is, both hands were in use: one to hold the bread and one to push.

No guarantee that bread is any more sanitary than her hands.

 

She could have just scooped up the pasta into her plate with the serving fork and then use the bread on the noodles from her plate, out of respect for people.

Sounds like something out of Seinfeld or Curb Your Enthusiasm -- they did an episode about double dipping etiquette -- but just common courtesy to use the a serving fork or spoon.

 

[gatopretoNYC]

Heather never had her hand in the food. Her right hand was holding the serving spoon, and she was using the bread to hold the noodles on the spoon.

I just went back to check; I was right that she never had her hands in the food. She did, however, use her fork to get the additional food out of the serving bowls, so that's not great hygiene-wise. She was too busy to even sit and eat, just had to quickly toss down a few bites, so I can chalk that up to just not thinking. She had all the things she still had to get done on her mind.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by gatopretoNYC
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[PaperTree]

53 minutes ago, gatopretoNYC said:

I just went back to check; I was right that she never had her hands in the food. She did, however, use her fork to get the additional food out of the serving bowls, so that's not great hygiene-wise

Living in such tight quarters, they're all sharing each others germs anyway.

Does Rayna know where Jake's mouth (and other parts) has been?  We know he's been kissing Frazer.

Heather's apologies seem sincere to me.  She was pretty buzzed and foolishly repeating what Rayna just said.  The crack about "fake tears" was a bit much.

[dleighg]

Just now, PaperTree said:

Living in such tight quarters, they're all sharing each others germs anyway.

sure, but how hard is it to grab a plate or a paper towel or whatever and do the shoving on your own little pile of food? (I agree that she was using bread to push food onto a spoon-- but still not exactly gracious behavior)

[AnnieBananie]

Something to consider...

I don't particularly like Rayna, or Heather, for that matter, and I think both of them were in the wrong: Heather much, much, MUCH more so for saying the N-word in the first place, and Rayna much less so for the silent treatment she gave Heather before Heather's apology.

However, there were lots of tweets on Monday night with various perspectives on Rayna, and I learned a lot, particularly as a white woman commenting on a Black woman's behavior. I would have been better off listening rather than commenting. One person (I wish I could remember who) made an excellent point, and I'm going to summarize the situation before I get to the point:

Rayna is a Black woman, and her white work supervisor is apologizing to her for using a racial slur. Rayna accepts the apology, tells her that everything is okay, and then continues to complain to other coworkers about Heather. A lot of people commented on Twitter, including me, that it was two-faced for Rayna to accept Heather's apology but continue to talk about her behind her back.

The thoughtful point that the Twitter user made was this: how comfortable would you, a minority, be talking to your white superior about how hurtful and harmful their language was? I know I wouldn't be. (I'm Jewish, and if my superior wanted to "bond with me," as Heather said she did with Rayna, by calling me a "k*ke," I don't know if I'd have the courage, in the same situation, to tell her just how shocking and hurtful it was. I might just accept her apology and consider the incident closed. I have HR and a yacht doesn't!) Keeping this in mind, I can't fault Rayna for blowing off steam to someone else about Heather's behavior, because she might not feel she can speak honestly with Heather. 

Plus, it goes without saying that it's not Rayna's or any Black person's responsibility to teach Heather about why the N-word is horrific, but that's a whole other post (and one would hope Heather would know that anyway).

[howiveaddict]

3 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

 

Why wasn't anyone made aware that Heather had injured herself during that ridiculous segment surrounding Heather cutting her foot?  Does BRAVO really have to try to drive up bogus drama when there's no need for any?  Stupid rhetorical question on my part.  I already know that answer.

I wondered why production didn''t have a first aid person standing by to bandage her foot.  After all, it could have glass in it.  Plus it needed to be cleaned before dressed.  The bandage needed to be held on by a wrap and not just taped on. Seems like production would be liable if there are complications.

[Nancybeth]

 

1 hour ago, AnnieBananie said:

Something to consider...

I don't particularly like Rayna, or Heather, for that matter, and I think both of them were in the wrong: Heather much, much, MUCH more so for saying the N-word in the first place, and Rayna much less so for the silent treatment she gave Heather before Heather's apology.

However, there were lots of tweets on Monday night with various perspectives on Rayna, and I learned a lot, particularly as a white woman commenting on a Black woman's behavior. I would have been better off listening rather than commenting. One person (I wish I could remember who) made an excellent point, and I'm going to summarize the situation before I get to the point:

Rayna is a Black woman, and her white work supervisor is apologizing to her for using a racial slur. Rayna accepts the apology, tells her that everything is okay, and then continues to complain to other coworkers about Heather. A lot of people commented on Twitter, including me, that it was two-faced for Rayna to accept Heather's apology but continue to talk about her behind her back.

The thoughtful point that the Twitter user made was this: how comfortable would you, a minority, be talking to your white superior about how hurtful and harmful their language was? I know I wouldn't be. (I'm Jewish, and if my superior wanted to "bond with me," as Heather said she did with Rayna, by calling me a "k*ke," I don't know if I'd have the courage, in the same situation, to tell her just how shocking and hurtful it was. I might just accept her apology and consider the incident closed. I have HR and a yacht doesn't!) Keeping this in mind, I can't fault Rayna for blowing off steam to someone else about Heather's behavior, because she might not feel she can speak honestly with Heather. 

Plus, it goes without saying that it's not Rayna's or any Black person's responsibility to teach Heather about why the N-word is horrific, but that's a whole other post (and one would hope Heather would know that anyway).

I agree with this in theory but Heather isn't Rayna's supervisor...Eddie is. While Heather may be a higher rank than Rayna, they are technically in different departments. Rayna was right to voice her concerns to Eddie and if she felt like her supervisor wasn't taking it seriously, the next option would have been going up the chain to Captain Lee. 

[SemiCharmedLife]

3 hours ago, dleighg said:

yeah I think she was pushing the pasta onto the bread with her left hand. That is, both hands were in use: one to hold the bread and one to push.

I think the worst of it was right before the bread scooping action. If you rewind the scene, you will see Heather was eating from the serving bowl with her fork.  Reyna was watching her while she was doing it, but chose to mention the part about her hands being in the bowl.  I'm sure Heather was hungry and tired, but I think she needs to be more sanitary, imho.

[65mickey]

Bravo shows this past year have been plagued with charges of racism. RHNY seem to be on some kind of hiatus because they don't know how to handle this. I don't know how many major players on Vanderpump Rules were fired over racist remarks. It even reared it's ugly head on RHBH. And somone I can't remember who was fired from RH of Dallas for a racist remark and then the show was cancelled.  So the producers of this show may not be concerned with Heather's use of the n word but I'll bet the network is. 

[Onecattoo]

7 hours ago, Xebug67 said:

My extreme dislike of Rayna is on a visceral level.  I find her to be ugly both inside and out, as well as a lying, petty, shit stirring, slutty malcontent of a drama queen as well as an Eeyore (so sorry for the insulting comparison, Eeyore).

Yes…yes…yes.  1000%X yes! 

[Onecattoo]

3 hours ago, AnnieBananie said:

think both of them were in the wrong: Heather much, much, MUCH more so for saying the N-word in the first place, and Rayna much less so for the silent treatment she gave Heather before Heather's apology.

Heather repeated what Rayna said…so maybe Rayna needs to stop saying it. 

[Back Atcha]

7 hours ago, PaperTree said:

The crack about "fake tears" was a bit much.

EXACTLY!  Heather probably felt embarrassed and humiliated to have the conversation.  Those feelings can bring on tears...and they're NOT FAKE.  Some things Reyna is not: GRACIOUS, KIND, EMPATHETIC, MATURE, THOUGHTFUL (thoughtful...in thinking before one thinks or acts).

 

8 hours ago, gatopretoNYC said:

Heather never had her hand in the food. Her right hand was holding the serving spoon, and she was using the bread to hold the noodles on the spoon.

I just went back to check; I was right that she never had her hands in the food. She did, however, use her fork to get the additional food out of the serving bowls, so that's not great hygiene-wise. She was too busy to even sit and eat, just had to quickly toss down a few bites, so I can chalk that up to just not thinking. She had all the things she still had to get done on her mind.

THANK YOU!  Several of us were right...but we're not as loud, repetitive, and annoying as Reyna!  Apparently she's fine with sticking MY fork in YOUR food.  Perhaps she's never seen the bread-pushing maneuver.

[Mr. Miner]

14 hours ago, PaperTree said:

Living in such tight quarters, they're all sharing each others germs anyway.

As much as some of them have their bare asses out, someone is going to get pinkeye. Their might even be a Pinkeye Pandemic.

[Welshman in Ca]

17 hours ago, dleighg said:

yeah I think she was pushing the pasta onto the bread with her left hand. That is, both hands were in use: one to hold the bread and one to push.

 

Never mind, sometimes I need to read every reply before commenting.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Welshman in Ca

[iMonrey]

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I know Captain Lee would never say something like the word that Heather did, but I don’t think he’s very in touch with what is and isn’t appropriate these days.

Like how he kept calling Rachel "sweetie" a couple of episodes ago?

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The thoughtful point that the Twitter user made was this: how comfortable would you, a minority, be talking to your white superior about how hurtful and harmful their language was? I know I wouldn't be. 

Rayna has every right to be upset about Heather's use of that word. The problem is that she's using it as an excuse every time someone calls her out on something unrelated. If she's not doing her job right or she's not getting along with someone, out comes the "Heather used the N word" excuse. But she's apparently not too upset to fool around with Jake every opportunity she gets, is she? So how upset is she really versus how she's using that incident to deflect? 

Also, I have to wonder if the show is trying to build drama around a crew member making a racist remark but not realizing it's backfiring, because that's exactly what happened with Heather on BDM. The show kind of misread how the audience would react to Malia and Sandy turning on her, so it wouldn't surprise me if they think we're all going to side with Rayna on this because they're too tone deaf to see how Rayna is really coming across.

[Real Housewife LI]

19 hours ago, AnnieBananie said:

Something to consider...

I don't particularly like Rayna, or Heather, for that matter, and I think both of them were in the wrong: Heather much, much, MUCH more so for saying the N-word in the first place, and Rayna much less so for the silent treatment she gave Heather before Heather's apology.

However, there were lots of tweets on Monday night with various perspectives on Rayna, and I learned a lot, particularly as a white woman commenting on a Black woman's behavior. I would have been better off listening rather than commenting. One person (I wish I could remember who) made an excellent point, and I'm going to summarize the situation before I get to the point:

Rayna is a Black woman, and her white work supervisor is apologizing to her for using a racial slur. Rayna accepts the apology, tells her that everything is okay, and then continues to complain to other coworkers about Heather. A lot of people commented on Twitter, including me, that it was two-faced for Rayna to accept Heather's apology but continue to talk about her behind her back.

The thoughtful point that the Twitter user made was this: how comfortable would you, a minority, be talking to your white superior about how hurtful and harmful their language was? I know I wouldn't be. (I'm Jewish, and if my superior wanted to "bond with me," as Heather said she did with Rayna, by calling me a "k*ke," I don't know if I'd have the courage, in the same situation, to tell her just how shocking and hurtful it was. I might just accept her apology and consider the incident closed. I have HR and a yacht doesn't!) Keeping this in mind, I can't fault Rayna for blowing off steam to someone else about Heather's behavior, because she might not feel she can speak honestly with Heather. 

Plus, it goes without saying that it's not Rayna's or any Black person's responsibility to teach Heather about why the N-word is horrific, but that's a whole other post (and one would hope Heather would know that anyway).

While that is a great explanation...the context of being called a slur and what happened in this situation are two very different things. Rayna was not called a slur, nor was the context of the word being used in a negative or derogatory way. Again...a white person shouldn’t be using it...but we give a pass to white rappers using it....heather messed up..while drunk she repeated what rayna said. She was called out and she apologized. The real issue would be if she did it again or does she learn and grow from it. 

[Xebug67]

On 1/5/2022 at 6:13 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

I think Rayna was gunning for Heather since day one, I don't think Rayna told anyone on the boat the context in which the "N" word was said, I think everyone believes Heather called Rayna the "N" word instead of how it really happened.  Yes, Heather should know not to use that word and perhaps if Rayna is so bothered by that word she should not have used it herself, it is not a nice word no matter who is saying it.

As far as Eddie glossing over it, he was right to not address it while trying talk to Rayna about her job performance and Heather does not report to Eddie.  Rayna said she did not want to make a big deal about it and low and behold she did, Heather has apologized twice and twice Rayna said all was good between them but still is talking about it.  

Now that Wes has had sex with Rayna and we know these boat romances dissolve quicker than sugar in hot water (tried a sort of Capt. Lee-ism, lol), Wes will regret it, it has changed their relationship but Wes will still want to flirt with Fraser which will not sit well with Rayna. Wes has screwed himself.

I remember watching some show that had Maya Angelou on it talking to I believe it was comedian Dave Chapelle if I'm not mistaken, and diplomatically and kindly taking him to task for his abuse of the N word.  So essentially this elegant, articulate, classy, brilliant black woman was advising this young, hip, funny as all get out black comic that blacks shouldn't be using this word any more than whites shouldn't be using it, and I agree with her wholeheartedly.  Are you listening Rayna?

[jcbrown]

13 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

As much as some of them have their bare asses out, someone is going to get pinkeye.

Perhaps I've been misunderstanding how pinkeye is transmitted all these years...

[Back Atcha]

On 1/5/2022 at 3:47 PM, dleighg said:

(I agree that she was using bread to push food onto a spoon-- but still not exactly gracious behavior)

When and where do we observe "gracious behavior," even from the suposedly upper-crust GUESTS ??  Weren't they at the crew table, talking and eating casuallly...and some "on the run"?  I refuse to buy into Reyna's BS.  I hope she's the next crew member to "decide" to leave.

[jrzy]

On 1/3/2022 at 8:36 PM, Yours Truly said:

Everything about rayna is just so fucking gross. She’s not even an upbeat messy boots. She’s a downer, she’s bitter she’s miserable and even when it comes to sexing it up it’s done in the most vomit inducing way. The way she just interrupted Jake and Frazier.. Just inserted herself, no rhyme, no reason, no invite with deliberate malice.. All that was, was “hey I don’t want to be ignored so I’m going barge in on you too and oh yeah, Jake here’s my pussy want it?” That was just all kinds of nasty to me. She’s disgusting. I’m not even gonna speak on Jake cause I’ve already been sour on him and I’m not surprised but it’s just the overboard way Rayna went about it all that just has me vomiting in my mouth a little bit. Good thing my mouth isn’t wired shut right about now. JEEEZZUUUSSS!! 

Thank you,  she has been a trouble maker from the first day.   I know that Heather was completely wrong in repeating that terrible word, never should have said it,  should have sincerely apologized the instant it was brought up.  That being said,  Rayna is using this to bring the focus on herself and to cause trouble.  She is trying to make everyone look bad for no apparent reason.  I have a feeling this is a pattern of behavior for her,  future employers better look out.   Heather is no angel, but her stupid action got totally blown out of proportion and the result is unjust. 

 

[Back Atcha]

1 hour ago, jrzy said:

  Rayna is using this to bring the focus on herself and to cause trouble.  She is trying to make everyone look bad for no apparent reason. 

OR...has she figured out how to become an Andy Cohen favorite?  He LOVES a shit-stirrer.

[jrzy]

4 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

OR...has she figured out how to become an Andy Cohen favorite?  He LOVES a shit-stirrer.

Cohen loves the monsters.  Birds of a feather...

[queta]

This season is sooooooo boring. This cast is just not working.  Eddie and Rachel are too well-behaved to be interesting, and the rest of the cast just isn't interesting to watch.

[Fostersmom]

On 1/4/2022 at 9:04 AM, psychoticstate said:

Glad the primary ended up having a good time - although the thought of blending/puree-ing/liquifying everything is pretty vomit inducing (hey, at least they traveled with wire cutters.)  
 

Captain Lee looked like he was going to need the wire cutters after he heard the explanation of the need. Maybe stop making people blend you up vile concoctions to lessen the chance for the need. In this day and age of protein drinks and powders, there's NO reason to make someone blend a chicken breast smoothie. 

On 1/4/2022 at 10:00 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

How will Rayna defend herself at the reunion when everyone sees Heather apologize more than once and Rayna saying they are good, let's move on, etc...and then Rayna doing everything but moving on, muttering under her breath about Heather.  It is on film, it will be hard to deny.

Has Rayna acknowledged Heather parroted back her own words about Jake at all or is she still acting like Heather just busted it out on her own? Should Heather have repeated Rayna's comment? No, not in any way or context, but Rayna's leaving a lot of the details out when she brings it up each and every time to anyone she can talk to. 

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

there's NO reason to make someone blend a chicken breast smoothie. 

I bet you never thought you would write that sentence.

Why didn't Rachel just use her Bass-O-Matic?

[Xebug67]

16 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

Captain Lee looked like he was going to need the wire cutters after he heard the explanation of the need. Maybe stop making people blend you up vile concoctions to lessen the chance for the need. In this day and age of protein drinks and powders, there's NO reason to make someone blend a chicken breast smoothie. 

Has Rayna acknowledged Heather parroted back her own words about Jake at all or is she still acting like Heather just busted it out on her own? Should Heather have repeated Rayna's comment? No, not in any way or context, but Rayna's leaving a lot of the details out when she brings it up each and every time to anyone she can talk to. 

Exactly!  Rayna's been harboring some type of grudge against Heather from the get-go, which is why I believe she is deliberately omitting telling everyone of the actual context that the word had been uttered by Heather.   By omitting context, she's looking to make herself appear more sympathetic, as well as cause dissension between Heather and the other crew members who've been told about this. 

Rayna is, however, WRONG.  There's NOTHING in the world that will ever make that nasty scuzbucket sympathetic to me.  I also hope that the others who've been misinformed about the context of the word usage come down hard on Rayna once they finally see the episodes.

[iMonrey]

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Rayna's been harboring some type of grudge against Heather from the get-go, which is why I believe she is deliberately omitting telling everyone of the actual context that the word had been uttered by Heather.   By omitting context, she's looking to make herself appear more sympathetic, as well as cause dissension between Heather and the other crew members who've been told about this. 

I don't think Rayna had an issue with Heather at all. I think she brought up the "n word" thing as a defense when Eddie started to criticize her, and when she didn't get the response she wanted, she continued to make it a bigger and bigger thing and that's what started her animosity towards Heather. It's just deflection for her at this point. There doesn't seem to be anything Heather - or anyone else - can do to mitigate it. She has received two sincere apologies - both of which she accepted - and is still bitching about it. There's no winning with her.

[Sunnykm]

Going back to Heather and the pasta, I thought it looked like everyone had gotten a plate full.  The pasta bowl appeared to not have much in so, perhaps, Heather thought she could just eat the remaining pasta out of the bowl while on the run.

[Back Atcha]

9 hours ago, Sunnykm said:

The pasta bowl appeared to not have much in so, perhaps, Heather thought she could just eat the remaining pasta out of the bowl while on the run.

Exactly. Her fingers didn't touch the pasta...the BREAD did.  Tell Rayna again!

[Talented Tenth]

On 1/5/2022 at 9:56 PM, Onecattoo said:

Heather repeated what Rayna said…so maybe Rayna needs to stop saying it. 

Rayna is not responsible for what comes out of Heather's mouth.  Heather is a grown woman with a brain and can choose what to say and what not to say.  If you have a child and reprimand that child, can a co-worker reprimand your child too if they repeat exactly what you say?  Of course not.  Everybody can't say everything.

[Talented Tenth]

On 1/6/2022 at 1:45 PM, Xebug67 said:

I remember watching some show that had Maya Angelou on it talking to I believe it was comedian Dave Chapelle if I'm not mistaken, and diplomatically and kindly taking him to task for his abuse of the N word.  So essentially this elegant, articulate, classy, brilliant black woman was advising this young, hip, funny as all get out black comic that blacks shouldn't be using this word any more than whites shouldn't be using it, and I agree with her wholeheartedly.  Are you listening Rayna?

There are other words groups use such as women using bitch and gays using queen or even the f word.  Why do you think it is that men don't fight to keep women from saying bitch and straight people aren't fighting to keep gays from using certain words?  It seems like people can understand those groups flipping/using derogatory terms but you can't understand it with the n word?  I don't like when the term is used in mixed company or in setting where it will be heard by other people than Black people because of arguments like this, but it will always be considered questionable coming out of a white's mouth.  Yes, Black people have a pass because Black people were/are the targets of the slur that has been flipped.

[Talented Tenth]

On 1/7/2022 at 1:18 AM, Back Atcha said:

When and where do we observe "gracious behavior," even from the suposedly upper-crust GUESTS ??  Weren't they at the crew table, talking and eating casuallly...and some "on the run"?  I refuse to buy into Reyna's BS.  I hope she's the next crew member to "decide" to leave.

So, because you don't like Rayna, it's okay for Heather to be unhygienic when it comes to the crew's food?  I don't even eat after my own family members let alone a coworker.  Heather was being gross.  Being tired is not an excuse to be nasty.

[Back Atcha]

On 1/24/2022 at 1:32 AM, Talented Tenth said:

On 1/6/2022 at 11:18 PM, Back Atcha said:

When and where do we observe "gracious behavior," even from the suposedly upper-crust GUESTS ??  Weren't they at the crew table, talking and eating casuallly...and some "on the run"?  I refuse to buy into Reyna's BS.  I hope she's the next crew member to "decide" to leave.

So, because you don't like Rayna, it's okay for Heather to be unhygienic when it comes to the crew's food?

Is this apples and gravy boats?   My not liking Rayna has nothing to do with food or hygiene.  I don't believe Heather touched food with her hands...and I'm not alone in that.   My problem with Rayna is manufactured and continued drama.

[Baltimore Betty]

3 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

Is this apples and gravy boats?   My not liking Rayna has nothing to do with food or hygiene.  I don't believe Heather touched food with her hands...and I'm not alone in that.   My problem with Rayna is manufactured and continued drama.

I am not sure what Rayna wants the outcome to be with Heather, she has apologized twice and it was accepted twice or so she said.  What is her end game? 

[Onecattoo]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

4 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

 

I am not sure what Rayna wants the outcome to be with Heather, she has apologized twice and it was accepted twice or so she said.  What is her end game?

Deflection! It’s an issue because she’s lazy, disrespectful and insubordinate and so she needs something to pull out every time she’s taken to task for her own horrible behavior.