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It also would have been organic if Brady was acting out BECAUSE his parents were divorced.  After having such a loving marriage and great partnership before that point.  Or perhaps they're presenting it as Brady subconsciously picking up on Miranda's unhappiness.  I think that's too smart for this show though considering they're terrified to ever show us Steve, or for Brady and Miranda to have any meaningful interaction besides masturbation.

Also, did Che meet Miranda at the funeral?  Or did they meet before that?  The fact that Big's funeral sparked all this horniness in Miranda also is just not sexy or romantic.  Didn't she also meet that awful exboyfriend of Carrie's at a funeral?  Maybe his name was Jim?  

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12 hours ago, violet and green said:

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I don't see a series two for AJLT, and I am stunned that anyone read these scripts and thought, yes, we've nailed it!

It had the biggest opening of all time on HBO GO and it continues to make waves on social media. It would be shocking if it was not renewed. 

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I appreciate the responses to my query about Carrie's cheating vs. Miranda's, and in the spirit of not beating a dead horse or flooding the boards with my individual responses, I'll just say it's been an interesting amount of insight. I think characters can change and journeys can be a lot more nuanced than how Miranda's might be perceived, but most of all, I tend to fall in the Samantha camp when it comes to these roles and their melodrama. You know, when Carrie said, "Don't you want to judge me? Even a little?" when she told Samantha about the affair with Big, and Samantha responded, "Not my style." Samantha wouldn't judge Miranda. I'm not going to, either.

I fully admit this lack of judgment partly stems from my Steve hatred (waves in solidarity to @brillia79), so we all have our biases. But really, team Samantha in spirit.

As to the vibrator scene, I actually thought it was a throwback to the "Mommy's coming" moment when Brady was a baby and Miranda was getting it on with the hot translator guy who bailed because kids cramp his style, man. 17 years later, and Brady's still harshing her buzz, as it were.

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I hate Steve (Version 1.0), but marriage is marriage.  Miranda (Version 1.0) is the opposite of me.  She LOVED Steve.  I'm the same as you @Rai in that I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything different here.  All Samantha fans absolutely adore that moment from her, but fans judging Miranda from cheating on her HUSBAND Steve, is SUCH different situation to me than Samantha REFUSING to judge her BEST FRIEND (a real person to her, not a fictional one lol) for cheating with a married man that she was in love with whilst he got up and decided to marry someone else.  Not trying to convince anyone of anything, just that I think that the situations are apples and oranges to me.  Samantha wanted to make Carrie feel like she was her BFF, her confidant, her ride or die.  We are fans (or, frankly, ex-fans) watching a show.  Miranda is married, Carrie was not.  Miranda met Che like yesterday, Big was Carrie's great love of her life.  Many differences.

Not only did Miranda cheat on her husband, without any supposed remorse, but the way she treated Carrie while doing it was also really bad.  Other posters brought up the great analogy with Miranda throwing out her back.  Carrie had a work meeting she couldn't bail on, and sent her gallant, strong, classy boyfriend that she trusted to rescue Miranda.  Aidan was a perfect gentleman about it as she knew he would be.  Meanwhile Carrie was peeing in her bed while Miranda fucked her boss in the kitchen.  Kinda different behaviour!  And we all used to trash Carrie for being a narcissist (version 1.0).

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I mean, Samantha was pretty harsh about marriages in general (including knowingly sleeping with married men) and a big fan of putting her own needs/wants first, so again, pretty sure she'd be more supportive of Miranda than Carrie or Charlotte are. Some marriages are a mistake. Some marriages change. Sometimes, good people make bad decisions. Whether Miranda made one with Steve or made one with Che or made two (one Steve, one Che), she has to figure out what her correct course is now.

 

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10 hours ago, T Summer said:

You said  what now?

lol. I don't think I'd trust that gossip site.

The only way I can think of is to bring in that "dream sequence"  BS and have Bi'gs death be a dream Carrie had. I don't think they'd do that because

1. the fans would never forgive making us watch multiple episodes of sad Carrie again for such a plot contrivance

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2. they care so much about being on the right/woke/virtuous  side of today's issues that they don't care if they have to ruin SATC's role in TV history,  the principals personas  and established story lines in the process!

 

You forgot 3 & 4:

3. It would never happen - see Dallas situation when they made Bobby's death a dream. It killed the show IMHO.

4. Chris Noth is currently on everyone's shit list due to the allegations against him.

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24 minutes ago, violet and green said:

But if it was a big deal for her that Steve had cheated on her, why is it now not a big deal, but an entitlement because (wails) she was unhappy?

This is one of my biggest issues with this story. The hypocrisy makes Miranda look even worse.  I am on the record for years as disliking Steve. I wasn't one who thought she should have forgiven him in the first movie.  But she did and they seemed to be happy.  Fast forward to now and I could buy they have grown apart but what we are being told is Miranda was never happy with Steve and is so miserable she is cheating on her husband and barely acknowledging that what she is doing is in fact cheating.  Steve felt awful about having sex with someone else.   Miranda does not.  When Steve finds out I sincerely hope he reminds Miranda how furious and hurt she was when the situation was reversed and treats her the same way.

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4 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Also, did Che meet Miranda at the funeral?  Or did they meet before that?  The fact that Big's funeral sparked all this horniness in Miranda also is just not sexy or romantic.  Didn't she also meet that awful exboyfriend of Carrie's at a funeral?  Maybe his name was Jim? 

Che and Miranda did meet at Big’s funeral but it wasn’t exactly horny at first sight. She yelled at Che for giving pot to Brady, and when Carrie eventually introduced the two of them, Miranda got embarrassed. I can’t remember their interactions after that, but I think horny Miranda started at the stand-up comedy act.

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48 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:

Steve felt awful about having sex with someone else.   Miranda does not.

She does not feel bad about it all, in fact she is trying to tryst again without a second thought, she just texted, hit send and is waiting for a reply then continued with the laundry.  Did we all notice she was folding Steve's underwear when she decided to text Che, I guess the thrill is gone from doing his laundry.

Just thinking out loud but there is a  SATC slot machine I have seen in a few casinos, Big is featured in it, will TPTB take it away? 

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2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

All Samantha fans absolutely adore that moment from her, but fans judging Miranda from cheating on her HUSBAND Steve, is SUCH different situation to me than Samantha REFUSING to judge her BEST FRIEND (a real person to her, not a fictional one lol) for cheating with a married man that she was in love with whilst he got up and decided to marry someone else.  Not trying to convince anyone of anything, just that I think that the situations are apples and oranges to me.  Samantha wanted to make Carrie feel like she was her BFF, her confidant, her ride or die.  We are fans (or, frankly, ex-fans) watching a show.  Miranda is married, Carrie was not.  Miranda met Che like yesterday, Big was Carrie's great love of her life.  Many differences.

Not only did Miranda cheat on her husband, without any supposed remorse, but the way she treated Carrie while doing it was also really bad.  Other posters brought up the great analogy with Miranda throwing out her back.  Carrie had a work meeting she couldn't bail on, and sent her gallant, strong, classy boyfriend that she trusted to rescue Miranda.  Aidan was a perfect gentleman about it as she knew he would be.  Meanwhile Carrie was peeing in her bed while Miranda fucked her boss in the kitchen.  Kinda different behaviour!  And we all used to trash Carrie for being a narcissist (version 1.0).

Very true. It's different as a friend. I want my friends to be comfortable confiding in me about their fuck-ups, especially if they seem vulnerable in the moment. I try to have the balance of being honest but not being harsh. I wouldn't go oh nice Miranda, who cares about Steve! But I wouldn't go Miranda, you adulterer! Shame on you!

I do think both of those situations sucked tbh. I would be mortified if my friend's man saw me naked, no matter how much of a gentleman Aidan was. That was so embarrassing it made peeing in bed look like no biggie. That's just me though. 

1 hour ago, Rai said:

I mean, Samantha was pretty harsh about marriages in general (including knowingly sleeping with married men) and a big fan of putting her own needs/wants first, so again, pretty sure she'd be more supportive of Miranda than Carrie or Charlotte are. Some marriages are a mistake. Some marriages change. Sometimes, good people make bad decisions. Whether Miranda made one with Steve or made one with Che or made two (one Steve, one Che), she has to figure out what her correct course is now.

True. I do love Sam as a friend and think she was the comic relief of the show, but to be honest, she was probably the most flawed of all. The only character left I'd say has really strong morals is Charlotte. I hope they don't destroy her character as well. Let us have one person who respects marriages, geez. 

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1 hour ago, greekmom said:

You forgot 3 & 4:

3. It would never happen - see Dallas situation when they made Bobby's death a dream. It killed the show IMHO.

4. Chris Noth is currently on everyone's shit list due to the allegations against him.

yep.Dallas was exactly what I was eluding to with the dream sequence mention

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in different words I was stating they'd never be down with the optics of having an accused sex offender attached to the project.

we're totally on the same wavelength!

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12 minutes ago, T Summer said:

in different words I was stating they'd never be down with the optics of having an accused sex offender attached to the project.

Well, they've already cut his appearance from a scene from a later episode - as a response to these accusations. Can't see them bringing him back, if they won't let his ghost/memory appear now!

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3 hours ago, violet and green said:

But if it was a big deal for her that Steve had cheated on her, why is it now not a big deal, but an entitlement because (wails) she was unhappy?

Human nature in all its wackiness. I've known a few married people who cheated who were or would be all "How could they do that to meeeeeeeeeeeeee?" when or if their spouse cheated on them.

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3 hours ago, violet and green said:

But if it was a big deal for her that Steve had cheated on her, why is it now not a big deal, but an entitlement because (wails) she was unhappy?

Quite often the behavior comes first, then the rationalization. Back then, there were problems, and Miranda refused to address them, and being cheated on was probably humiliating. Without constant work to mend what had been the issues, there's no reason why those issues wouldn't creep in again, and that this time it's Miranda who strays. People would rather be active than reactive in general, I assume, and can make the same kind of mistakes that were made against them, not entirely realizing that's what they're doing.

I'm also assuming this is a rhetorical question though. Miranda's acting hypocritically because people are flawed, illogical, hypocrites, no matter how hard they try to maintain their good intentions.

That said, if Miranda has finally come to a realization about herself and her sexuality, I can't say I'd support her stuffing herself back into the closet and returning to a life of quiet desperation either. Of course she should now have a conversation with Steve, and it looks like she's still avoiding that. I'm assuming the fallout will be pretty devastating when they do have that talk though.

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12 minutes ago, Rai said:

 I'm assuming the fallout will be pretty devastating when they do have that talk though.

I'm not so sure.  The writers seem more interested in Miranda finding herself than dealing with the life she has now. I won't be surprised if Steve is fine with it and moves out and takes Brady with him.  

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27 minutes ago, violet and green said:

It doesn't fit her character, as established by the original series. Then again, nothing does.

Aha. That's it. Old Miranda, in spite of an active single sex life, was kind of a tightass in many ways, and came across (to me) as sort of judgemental and even humorless.  Miranda 2.0 doesn't even live on the same planet as the original. Maybe that's what the bad wig is about. It's really an alien pretending to be her! 

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While it would seem to make sense for Miranda to think “I remember what it felt like to be cheated on and I shouldn’t do that to my husband”, I suspect the mindset of someone contemplating an affair is more likely to be very selfish. As in “he cheated on me first so it’s only fair—let’s see how he likes it”.

Steve as presented so far (at least the very little we’ve seen of him in this show) comes across as very apathetic, for whatever that’s worth.

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3 hours ago, greekmom said:

3. It would never happen - see Dallas situation when they made Bobby's death a dream. It killed the show IMHO.

I hated that too, but changing times/tastes, retread storylines, and the departures of three leading ladies (plus the attitude that "As long as we've got Larry Hagman and Patrick Duffy, we can keep going on") were what really killed Dallas. It was already a little past its best at dream-season time. The dream revelation was lazy and insulting and will always haunt Dallas, but it did go on for five more seasons after that, only falling out of the top 30 close to the end. It wouldn't have had a longer run without the dream gimmick.

It just wasn't the '80s anymore, and glitzy prime-time soaps like Dallas and Dynasty were no longer what people were talking about. 

To bring it back around, I'll give the AJLT people that much. They know the turn-of-millennium era has passed, and they're not trying to make SATC with fiftysomethings. They're trying to catch us up with the characters as they navigate middle age in 2020s New York. It's just (for the most part) clumsy and self-conscious.

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15 hours ago, NeenerNeener said:

Can anyone think of a male character on a long-running show that was a fan favorite and was recently killed off? The only one that comes to mind for me was Big, and although AJLT is a new show it is basically a continuation of SATC. 

Two words (spoilers, just to be considerate)

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Logan Echolls.

Veronica Mars was long running in a sort of different, sort of similar way to SATC (three seasons, then a movie years later, then a fourth/reboot season years after that on Hulu) but Logan had been around since episode one and was, by and large, the person fans considered "The One" for Veronica. In the last moments of the last episode of the Hulu season, they kill him off, and if you loved the character and his journey (as I do), you were gutted at what happened. It was cruel and nothing anyone who cared about the character would have wanted. You could feel something bad was about to happen and I began to cry, just saying "no, no, no". I was devastated, and haven't been able to go back to one of my favorite shows since, because I know I'm gonna have a hard time watching him, and his relationship with Veronica, knowing how badly it all ends up.

Not to go off on a small tangent about another show entirely, but the parallels are kind of similar in that it's a male fan-favorite getting killed off in a continuation reboot kind of deal.

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20 hours ago, ChelleGame said:

Now that Charlotte's children  are older, I wonder if she'll revisit the art world in some way. In my 80s teen years (when I read all the Brett Easton Ellis / Tama Janowitz I could get my hands on) working a NY gallery seemed the height of EVERYTHING.

As LTW pointed out at the dinner party, Charlotte is on the Board of MoMA (the Museum of Modern Art), so she's definitely still in the art world. To get that seat she and Harry likely have made large donations, and of course Charlotte had qualifications and a background in the art world. She would have had to put in some time doing other volunteer positions at MoMA first, but we know that Charlotte is dedicated and works hard on any project she's involved in. Didn't Harry say, "They're lucky to have her?"

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31 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

As LTW pointed out at the dinner party, Charlotte is on the Board of MoMA (the Museum of Modern Art), so she's definitely still in the art world. To get that seat she and Harry likely have made large donations, and of course Charlotte had qualifications and a background in the art world. She would have had to put in some time doing other volunteer positions at MoMA first, but we know that Charlotte is dedicated and works hard on any project she's involved in. Didn't Harry say, "They're lucky to have her?"

It would be great to see some of that on screen. I liked the bits of it we saw in the original series. I should've stated on screen. My bad.

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5 hours ago, ChelleGame said:

It would be great to see some of that on screen. I liked the bits of it we saw in the original series. I should've stated on screen. My bad.

Oh yes, I was filling in the back story but it sure would be nice to see more moments where Charlotte is in her element in the art world. The depiction of the “well-to-do SAH mom ruling the volunteer group at school because she has no other outlet for her skills and energy” is so tired. At least the dinner party revealed that Charlotte does have other things in her life.

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9 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:

I'm not so sure.  The writers seem more interested in Miranda finding herself than dealing with the life she has now. I won't be surprised if Steve is fine with it and moves out and takes Brady with him.  

But who will get custody of Brady's girlfriend?

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8 hours ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Can anyone think of a male character on a long-running show that was a fan favorite and was recently killed off? The only one that comes to mind for me was Big, and although AJLT is a new show it is basically a continuation of SATC. 

Well, the guesses over at Blind Gossip are running about 45% Big on AJLT,  45% Luke Spencer on General Hospital and 10% other, with one vote for

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Michael C. Hall on the Dexter reboot.

Since I stopped watching General Hospital when Luke raped Laura and fandom went 'YAY!' I have no idea how long ago Anthony Geary left the show, but the way the blind was written it seemed like the actor left the show very recently and the current ratings are not good. The only one I knew of at the time that fit that description was Noth and AJLT. Noth being in jail will make that problematic. But I can see Nixon being on board if it means she won't get another season to tell her life story otherwise.

It's going to take at least 2 more seasons for her to run for governor of NY....and win this time!

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On 1/8/2022 at 2:41 PM, NeenerNeener said:

Can anyone think of a male character on a long-running show that was a fan favorite and was recently killed off? The only one that comes to mind for me was Big, and although AJLT is a new show it is basically a continuation of SATC. 

Anyway, there's a blind item on the Blind Gossip site that claims that show's writers want to find a way to bring the character back to goose the show's ratings, which are abysmal. Poor ratings also says AJLT to me.

So, ghost Big? Previously unseen evil twin brother Big? Random dude who just happens to look like Big? How would you bring him back (assuming Noth isn't in jail next season)?

If you are referring to the 'Place The Blame' BI, it is about bringing back a woman: "... to bring her back. If she declines ..." (Kim Catrall, I assume).

Its been in the news that they planned a couple of flashbacks scenes with Carrie and Big in Paris for the season finale, but that those will be edited out because of Chris Noth.

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17 minutes ago, Aulty said:

If you are referring to the 'Place The Blame' BI, it is about bringing back a woman: "... to bring her back. If she declines ..." (Kim Catrall, I assume).

Nope, it's the "Another Bobby In the Shower" blind. But I too  assumed the "Place the Blame" blind was Cattrall.

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That Blind Gossip item cannot possibly be Noth. They are even trying to indicate that he’s a reason the show might not get a second season. There’s zero chance they are bringing back a character who has these sorts of legal problems and who has been canceled from basically everything right now.

 

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16 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Just thinking out loud but there is a  SATC slot machine I have seen in a few casinos, Big is featured in it, will TPTB take it away? 

I've played it a bunch and it's super fun. I do wish they'd reprogram it to take out Big. He's creepy even in the OG show, and I hate hearing him say "baby" or "kid." Replace him with extra-bitchy Anthony and take (even more of) my money.

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1 hour ago, Conotocarious said:

That Blind Gossip item cannot possibly be Noth. They are even trying to indicate that he’s a reason the show might not get a second season. There’s zero chance they are bringing back a character who has these sorts of legal problems and who has been canceled from basically everything right now.

 

Also highly unlikely they're right about Kim Cattrall ever returning. And with every episode that goes by I imagine KC's resolve never to play Sam again gets even more firm.

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24 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

 And with every episode that goes by I imagine KC's resolve never to play Sam again gets even more firm.

Yeah, I can't imagine the amount of money it would take to lure  KC back to participate in The Cynthia Nixon Story. She could probably wipe out the national debt. They would be better off recasting the part, although I'm not sure I would even continue to hate-watch if they did.

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On 1/7/2022 at 8:56 PM, BrindaWalsh said:

And I guess I'm the only one who thought Carrie got confused about Diwali and dressed up like Frida Kahlo instead?

Bingo!!  When I saw her outfit I thought she was off to a costume party, but couldn't put my finger on who she reminded me of.

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On 1/7/2022 at 5:43 PM, SoWindsor said:

I’m really disappointed in the treatment of Steve. Steve was such an amazing character and I don’t understand why they aren’t using him. It’s like all they cared about was turning Miranda into Cynthia. 

 

On 1/7/2022 at 7:40 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm the biggest Steve hater and even I'M upset.  What about us?  The people who love to hate him?  We miss it!

I feel like not only Steve, but MOST of the male characters are really getting the short shrift. Big gets killed off in the first episode as a plot contrivance to give us Mourning Carrie. (One could argue the show dodged a bullet there with Noth, but I digress.) Steve is a non-entity in his own life, with literally no say. Poor Harry is there as a good father and husband, but he’s “treated” to a bathroom scene and a colonoscopy appointment that’s delayed because of Charlotte’s need to plan a very forced party. Stanford turns into a jerk—and, once Willie Garson passes away and had to be written out, he turns into an even flightier jerk that leaves Anthony, and the country, via note… to support a burgeoning Tik Tok star? Anthony—ironically, a character I DID NOT care for previously—is getting perhaps the best treatment as a character and comes off as an interesting and supportive (if kinda snarky) actual human who does actual human things. There are a handful of other men, but we see them so infrequently that they’re just paper-doll characters [podcast co-host who dated the producer, attractive PT guy, ha-ha-who’d-want-the-less-attractive PT guy (EYEROLL)] so it’s hard to say they’re treated shabbily… but they’re not even relatable. I know I left out a couple of them, but they’re almost the exception that proves the rule. 

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t need every individual male character to be a great guy. But at least attempt to make them HUMAN with actual thoughts, feelings, behavior, and agency. And some form of actual CHARACTER—good or bad. 

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17 minutes ago, Toodleoo said:

LOL! For some reason I’ve always thought of him as a tiny John Denver.

Yes! I Back in the day a lot of people laughed about that. Hadn't remembered it until you pointed it out though.

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 I think SJP looks pretty damn good. I've always wondered how she manages to stay looking tanned living and working in NYC? Is this  attributable  to self tanner (which if it is, I'd love to know exactly what product it  is that gives such natural looking results) or  is it from frequently vacationing in   sunny locales and refreshing her tan? Any thoughts?

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Another interesting consideration with the way they are handling Miranda cheating, vs. Steve cheating and Carrie cheating, is that we saw the interactions with their actual partners.  

Steve cheated, which we thankfully didn't see, but we saw the aftermath with Miranda.  It was her movie storyline.  Carrie cheated on Aiden on the show and then kissed him in the movie.  We saw her interactions with Aiden while she was having the affair with Big and the interactions with Big after kissing Aiden.  So far we have seen nothing related to Miranda & Steve since this Che stuff started.  Another misstep on the part of the show, IMO.  It's like they are trying to ignore them all together.  Even if I am supposed to buy into this Miranda storyline, stop ignoring this major piece of her life.  

I went back to SATC and watched a couple of episodes to see if maybe I was over-romanticizing the show in my head a bit.  Granted I watched 2 of my favorites, the post-it and Big leaving New York, but it was just so much better than this.

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45 minutes ago, BrindaWalsh said:

I went back to SATC and watched a couple of episodes to see if maybe I was over-romanticizing the show in my head a bit.  Granted I watched 2 of my favorites, the post-it and Big leaving New York, but it was just so much better than this.

I feel like AJLT is trying to appeal to a different audience.  It feels like going to a party and expecting it be casual and it turns out to be black tie.  Like I know I was invited but I'm not sure I belong here.  

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Coming here after re-watch (which took me less 15 minutes because I skipped all the Che, Prof. Nya's problems conceiving, and most of the Seema stuff) to say that I liked the ending of the episode. Carrie's friend gives her a gift to remind her of her strength. She puts on the "Carrie" necklace again and reclaims her identity while also accepting that 15 years have passed and a lot of "Big" things have happened since she was that single girl. I liked that she wore his jacket over the red dress. She looked quite good all dressed up, made up, and stepping out. Wonder where she was going? 

But I have to say about the "apartment from the future", why did she buy it and not hire an interior designer and decorator to make the space her own? She clearly did that with the apartment she and Big shared. It's all white now but she can do whatever she wants. I get that she felt bad about dragging Seema around to 46 apartments and felt she had to finally buy one. OTOH, she's a wealthy woman in her 50s, does she really have so little agency that she couldn't say to her "friend" Seema, "Hey, I'm just not falling in love with any of these places. Maybe let's take a break and see what's on the market in a few months." Seema must have noticed Carrie wasn't excited about the apartment and yet let her buy it, then in the car it's "Oh, you have to love where you live." Hmmm. 

Basically, Carrie broke the "don't make any big decisions for 1 year" advice that is so often given to the bereaved, especially widows. Now Seema is making bank on commissions ("We'll sell it!") and Carrie is crammed into her small apartment with Big's big record collection. I'm not saying Carrie won't even make a profit on the resale, or that her being back in the old apartment is wrong, I just see feel like Carrie used to rely on Samantha to handle a lot of her stuff, and then I guess Big, and now it appears Seema is taking on that role. 

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