S16.E04: Judge & Jury

[PrincessPurrsALot]

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The ladies gather to celebrate Shane finally passing the California bar. Despite making amends with Gina, Shannon runs into another roadblock with Emily. Noella’s situation worsens as she struggles to find answers about her husband. Heather learns about Dr. Jen’s issues with Noella and soon finds herself in Noella’s crosshairs.

Original air date 2021.12.22

[Andi27]

Ryne shirtless in a family picture (with side of mention of warning made about Ryne being shirtless at his children's school).

[Mindthinkr]

Has Noella been so sheltered that she has “never had a day” or been alone to navigate life? Does she have a nanny? 
I do think her friend Nicole could have been a bit more supportive. I understand that she was embarrassed about Noella having a breakdown in the restaurant, but if she’s your friend you hug her. Who cares what people think. Still I don’t think drinking was going to help her situation in any way, so it was probably best to get her out of there. 

[Baltimore Betty]

I get that Noella is really going thru something, being served with divorce papers and having to film this show has got to suck, I do not think that tequila she had at the restaurant with Nicole (OMG, she is so hard to look at), was her first of the day.  

 

[Kiss my mutt]

I usually never feel like hugging these bitches, but I felt like it with Noella. She’s seems sweet, but even with all the trappings of money, rather unsophisticated and naive. I can see her having a serious breakdown. 
 

I hated Emily’s dress with cleavage in the front and back. I wasn’t sure which side was which. 
 

 

[Mindthinkr]

I forgot to say early in the episode when Heather went to Jenn’s for a drink (bringing Dom champagne no less for a daytime gift. At $150 a pop it’s out of my league of gift giving.) she finally gave us n explanation of why she wears her hair in that severe top knot. To tighten her face 🤣

Scared of going under Terry’s knife Heather? 

[Keywestclubkid]

Lol girl I know she was having a mental breakdown in the middle of lunch and everything but FYI she called you a fake bitch! lol girl stir the pot 

[Axie]

I have absolutely no investment in Noella.  She’s been on the show half of a minute.  I do not care what she is going through.  I do not want to hear about her problems non stop.  If she’s never had to navigate her way through anything alone before, she has been incredibly blessed.  Shut up, Noella.

And, who thought it was a good idea for the new people to have similar names?  I don’t even know if I just wrote about the right annoying new person.

[JonnieUniteUs]

Nicole is a shit “friend.”  Did she and Nipvella just recently meet?

shanes mom is really cute.

 

[kristen111]

I’m really hating this show.  Noella looks wasted all the time, I can’t look at Heather, Shannon still on her apology tour, Gina got brazen, and Terry needs to go.  All they do is drink,go to lunch and gossip.  I really want to rip Heathers ponytail off her head by the roots and shove it down her throat.

[Axie]

Awe!  Shane gets a senior prom!

[Keywestclubkid]

I said “Heather is classy” … remove your lips from her ass Emily 

Are you kidding me? Are you really doing this? … Shannon when you call someone a liar why not get to the bottom of it right then? 

[Andi27]

Yup, this is the entire season. I'm out.

[Mindthinkr]

A dinner party means a good fight. So I went to the kitchen (in the dark) and brought back Cherrios instead of Cheetos. Ok I thought I can handle this. So I’m power snacking the cereal (dry) and now realize I should have made popcorn for tonight’s fight. Screw it. Next commercial I’m going back for the junk food. 
 

Noella needs to watch her drinking to cope. Her eyes go half mast fast. 

[Axie]

I wonder which soap opera Heather was auditioning for in her scene with Shannon.

Edited December 23, 2021 by Axie

[Keywestclubkid]

Alright GODfather Heather … all that was missing in that was her stroking a cat lol 

[Mindthinkr]

I thought Heather was channeling her inner Erika Jane. 

[Axie]

4 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

A dinner party means a good fight. So I went to the kitchen (in the dark) and brought back Cherrios instead of Cheetos. Ok I thought I can handle this. So I’m power snacking the cereal (dry) and now realize I should have made popcorn for tonight’s fight. Screw it. Next commercial I’m going back for the junk food. 
 

Noella needs to watch her drinking to cope. Her eyes go half mast fast. 

I’m sorry you had to navigate your way through that alone.

[Emmeline]

My god, how boring is Heather with the constant Champs reference, enough already!

[Jack Terrier]

Oh good grief, Heather. Over the top much? At least Erika emoted some anger with her snarling.

[JonnieUniteUs]

Why does everyone kowtow to Heather?   Sort of similar with Mary from RHSLC.  Weird.  

[chick binewski]

1 minute ago, Axie said:

I wonder which soap opera Heather was auditioning for in her scene with Shannon.

It just seems like some version of Erika Girardi's b.s. from last season. 

Heather is bloody unwatchable. She literally has everything, earned from the desperation of women. It's not Shannon's fault that it hasn't brought her happiness. 

[kristen111]

21 minutes ago, Axie said:

I have absolutely no investment in Noella.  She’s been on the show half of a minute.  I do not care what she is going through.  I do not want to hear about her problems non stop.  If she’s never had to navigate her way through anything alone before, she has been incredibly blessed.  Shut up, Noella.

And, who thought it was a good idea for the new people to have similar names?  I don’t even know if I just wrote about the right annoying new person.

Don’t feel bad .. I have to go back to find the names of the newbies every time I post.  Shannon has gotten on my nerves apologizing to everyone.  What a dumbbell.  It would be a cold day in hell if I ever spoke to Heather, no less apologize.  That asshole Terry too.

[Ms.Lulu]

I am someone that wanted Heather back.  But she is pulling this season down.  Season to date:

--Heather thinks that she is better than everyone and lets you know.  And she lets Shannon know that crossing her again will cost her greatly

--Shannon is still mourning her previous lifestyle and blurring the lines between real friends and show friends

--Gina and Emily are shit stirrers and don't have the wealth to be on the show

--Dr Jen is boring

--Nicole seems medicated at all times and is still uncomfortable on camera

--Noella is crashing and burning pretty quickly from this divorce.  I know the pain of divorce and she probably should have skipped the show.  She is too real and too raw.

If the show continues on this way I will officially be done.  That leaves me with SLC and Potomac.  And maybe Miami again.

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by Ms.Lulu

[kristen111]

17 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

A dinner party means a good fight. So I went to the kitchen (in the dark) and brought back Cherrios instead of Cheetos. Ok I thought I can handle this. So I’m power snacking the cereal (dry) and now realize I should have made popcorn for tonight’s fight. Screw it. Next commercial I’m going back for the junk food. 
 

Noella needs to watch her drinking to cope. Her eyes go half mast fast. 

I had half a box of Fruitloops.  Dry.  

[Mindthinkr]

I was counting Heather’s glasses of champagne (for kicks and giggles). One in the car service going to Shane’s Bar Passing party. One when she got there. Then she asked for a top off and I think I saw her have a fourth. Where does it go because she never shows signs of impairment? 

[QQQQ]

Noella didn't want to leave the restaurant because it meant her 'breakdown' wouldn't continue to be filmed. Someone enjoys the spotlight.

[Mindthinkr]

2 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

I had half a box of Fruitloops.  Dry.  

Great minds think alike. I will confess I did get the puffy Cheetos out and am eating them now. I skipped dinner. I know….stupid. 

[chlban]

29 minutes ago, Axie said:

I have absolutely no investment in Noella.  She’s been on the show half of a minute.  I do not care what she is going through.  I do not want to hear about her problems non stop.  If she’s never had to navigate her way through anything alone before, she has been incredibly blessed.  Shut up, Noella.

And, who thought it was a good idea for the new people to have similar names?  I don’t even know if I just wrote about the right annoying new person.

I certainly agree on the similar names. As for the other, I ALWAYS have mixed feelings about women like Noella. I can't help feel a little sorry for them. Yet the stupidity is staggering. Marriages frequently do not last. Men frequently dump their wives and then also decide not to support their kids either. How does any woman not know that? Or do they just think they are so special it can't happen to them? 

[Pondlass1]

Are we going to have an Erika wannabe in every Ho Wives franchise now?  Coz…. ratings?

Edited December 23, 2021 by Pondlass1

[goofygirl]

15 minutes ago, Axie said:

I wonder which soap opera Heather was auditioning for in her scene with Shannon.

Well, she used the EXACT SAME WORDS as our old friend ERIKA, so maybe she's auditioning for Beverly Hills?  All I know is, she's insufferable and I'm not going to be able to make it through ONE MORE STINKING EPISODE.

I'm out.  I'll just come here and read about what happens but I'm guessing NOT ONE THING is going to happen.  Gina & Emily will keep their lips on Heather's ass.  Noella will get drunk and TRY to stir some shit up but she'll be too drunk for the turds to float.  Shannon's not going to quit her apology tour and it's just blah, blah after a while.  Miss Terry and his grinchy wife will try their hardest to take over the show, they'll want Miss Terry to get an orange, they'll build a new hotel/house........ *BURP*

[Stats Queen]

Heather is an insufferable, arrogant, condescending Godfather in training. Shannon apologized numerous times and her transgression wasn’t as egregious as Heather makes it out to be.

This season is off to a horrible start.

[chenoa333]

38 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

I had half a box of Fruitloops.  Dry.  

That's an excellent choice of dry cereal for this shit show!

[kristen111]

56 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

I was counting Heather’s glasses of champagne (for kicks and giggles). One in the car service going to Shane’s Bar Passing party. One when she got there. Then she asked for a top off and I think I saw her have a fourth. Where does it go because she never shows signs of impairment? 

Secret alcoholic.  Has people doing everything in her house.  Bored to death .. with Terry too.  I think he’s a man/woman.  He’s even got the kids on the show now.  Things must be bad, but they are not sayin.  Why is she always wearing black?

[kristen111]

1 hour ago, Mindthinkr said:

Great minds think alike. I will confess I did get the puffy Cheetos out and am eating them now. I skipped dinner. I know….stupid. 

I have soft Cheetos by my bed.  Swear.

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, Stats Queen said:

Heather is an insufferable, arrogant, condescending Godfather in training. Shannon apologized numerous times and her transgression wasn’t as egregious as Heather makes it out to be.

This season is off to a horrible start.

I watched parts of today's early OC marathon today.  The season where Tamra told Heather about David emailing Shannon about separation and Heather then telling OC women who lunch about David's email. Basically spreading information about Shannon that was none of Heather's business.

She did to Shannon, everything she has accused Shannon of.

I can't help but wonder if they put that season up on purpose.  Heather was horrible to Shannon every chance she got.

And I can't figure out why.  I still think Tamra is involved behind the scenes.

 

 

[65mickey]

Heather has lost her damn mind and Shannon must be desparate to stay on this show to keep apologizing to her. Why or why didn't Shannon say to Heather after Heather issued her promise to hurt her, "Who do you think you are, Erika Jayne?" 

[oakville]

11 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I get that Noella is really going thru something, being served with divorce papers and having to film this show has got to suck, I do not think that tequila she had at the restaurant with Nicole (OMG, she is so hard to look at), was her first of the day.  

 

I have sympathy for Noella. I can't recall any new Housewife on OC being served with divorce papers only a couple of episodes into the season. Her ex husband is cruel to cut off her credit cards.

[kristen111]

11 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

I forgot to say early in the episode when Heather went to Jenn’s for a drink (bringing Dom champagne no less for a daytime gift. At $150 a pop it’s out of my league of gift giving.) she finally gave us n explanation of why she wears her hair in that severe top knot. To tighten her face 🤣

Scared of going under Terry’s knife Heather? 

What about her lips?  They look upside down.  Like the Joker.  Terry is so enamored.🤮

[LakeGal]

Emily and her back cleavage.  She looked horrible in the black dress at the restaurant.  Then she had to be poured into her party dress.  She could not bend over it was so tight.  Why not wear a size larger so she can breathe and not look so silly.

I truly dislike Heather.   She is not near as clever as she thinks.  Her actions are making the fans take Shannon's side.  She might think she is taking the high road.  But her own actions are turning the fans against her.  She must be a very sad and desperate person.  Shannon needs to laugh in her face and move on.

Gina and Emily are pathetic.  They think sucking up to Heather will help them.  But it just makes them look sad.

[Kerrey92]

I know Shannon is an asshole but I’m finding myself rooting for her and not enjoying the pile on.  

I stopped watching a few seasons ago because of the toxicity of Kelly Dodd but came back this year.  This show is unwatchable.  

Heather is so fake and inauthentic.  The poster who said she’s an immensely unhappy person has nailed it.  She’s trying to fill her life with things but she’s vapid.  

[kristen111]

10 hours ago, goofygirl said:

Well, she used the EXACT SAME WORDS as our old friend ERIKA, so maybe she's auditioning for Beverly Hills?  All I know is, she's insufferable and I'm not going to be able to make it through ONE MORE STINKING EPISODE.

I'm out.  I'll just come here and read about what happens but I'm guessing NOT ONE THING is going to happen.  Gina & Emily will keep their lips on Heather's ass.  Noella will get drunk and TRY to stir some shit up but she'll be too drunk for the turds to float.  Shannon's not going to quit her apology tour and it's just blah, blah after a while.  Miss Terry and his grinchy wife will try their hardest to take over the show, they'll want Miss Terry to get an orange, they'll build a new hotel/house........ *BURP*

Can Bravo throw them off in the middle of the show?  That’s what should happen.  Those two are on a mission together.

 

 

 

 

[oakville]

It was interesting seeing Stella working for her mom's lemonade business. She said her mom can be over bearing.

Stella looks like a young Alexis Bellino.

During the early years of the OC, the children of the Housewives would get together at events . Kara "tres chic" Keough would provide advice to Vicki's daughter. Shannon's daughters could scrap with Heather's kids.

[AryasMum]

Has Heather made the conscious choice to return as the full on villain, or is she really just that lacking in self-awareness?  

[Talented Tenth]

This show is boring.  Nicole is a backstabber.  If Noella is her friend, why would she tell Heather that Noella called her a fake bitch?

This show needs an overhaul.  Emily and Gina really bring this show down.  I remember a Mad TV skit about the PAX channel and what was said in the skit applies to Emily and Gina as well.  Watching them is like unflavored oatmeal for the eyes.

 

[chenoa333]

27 minutes ago, AryasMum said:

Has Heather made the conscious choice to return as the full on villain, or is she really just that lacking in self-awareness?  

I'll go with "conscious choice to return as the full on villain"

But she's completely unaware that she is a very bad actress. It's so obvious she is acting. The only thing about Heather that isn't fake is her neck. It's not telling any lies about how scraggly and old she looks.

[OFDgal]

I agree with every poster above about Heather.  I had been looking forward to her coming back.  I had enjoyed her reactions to Kelly and others' behavior.  However, Heather 2.0 sucks.  Her continuing harassment of Shannon is crazy.  Her and Terry running down to kiss the ass of the woman who sued him and make sure the audience knew that it was dropped was typical.  Emily and Gina are Heather's Mean Girls Club wannabes. The doctor with her shirtless husband carrying his dog are attention seekers.  Nicole always looks fucked up and her face looks like that catwoman.  Not invested in Noella and think she should not even be on this show.  I don't want to watch some random person's divorce drama.  I want entertainment and this season isn't providing it.  Ok. End of rant.     

[dmeets]

Nicole is one cold bitch. Apparently the type of friend who would neglect to mention that she'd previously sued your husband ("under duress") is the same type of friend who would refuse to offer you a hug and tell you you're embarrassing the both of you as your world around you is crumbling apart. And then sell you out to the friend whose husband she sued.

Chippendale Ryne goes to school half naked to drop off and pick up the kids? Like, he's just in the car, or does he actually walk up to the school entrance shirtless? Is he holding Pup Pup, or whatever the dog's name was? He's totally trying to catch the eye of some of the other moms (or dads).

Does Dr. Jen really think the work she's had done to herself is subtle? She looked very different in the earlier episodes' flashbacks to Braunwyn's 'vowel' renewal.

Noella coming in with the one-two storyline combo. Heartbreaking divorce plus feud with the other newbie. Pot calling the kettle thirsty.

Edited December 23, 2021 by dmeets

[Talented Tenth]

What did Heather mean by her threat to Shannon?  What is Shannon going to lose?  Money?  The show?  Her life?  WTF?

[Keywestclubkid]

20 minutes ago, dmeets said:

Nicole is one cold bitch.

 

Nicole wasn't having it and that was more embarrassing then having the breakdown.. you just look so cold and unfeeling.. and to throw in that she called Heather a fake bitch was for what? why even say anything?