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2 hours ago, Marley said:

Yea Natasha said she dropped her kids off at Trinity school or at least that’s what it sounded like and that’s K-12.

Some viewers (on other forums) seemed to be getting revved up over the idea that one of Natasha's sons is actually Big's too.

That never even entered into my mind because it was obvious that her sons are still pretty young. Not college aged.

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42 minutes ago, Surrealist said:

Some viewers (on other forums) seemed to be getting revved up over the idea that one of Natasha's sons is actually Big's too.

That never even entered into my mind because it was obvious that her sons are still pretty young. Not college aged.

Yeah, I don't buy it. But considering Brady's age is not where it should be, I could maaaaaaybe see the show being dumb enough to maybe falsely allude to such for some drama or whatever.

Since facts/what actually happened on the main series seems to be conveniently changed/altered overall to sell this dreck...

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7 hours ago, Alice Mudgarden said:

Being of the sparkly, gold sequin purse-owning persuasion, I love Carrie's sparkly, purple sequin purse that she was using at the end of the episode.

I think (or it looked like) it was a Dior saddle bag, which was a nice callback to the original series.

It was actually a Fendi Baguette, probably the circa 2019-ish reissue version of the original style that Carrie lost to a mugger in the original series.  I don’t think it’s currently for sale from Fendi in the U.S., but according to The Purse Blog, it was available at the low, low price of $3890 when sold here.  It’s on Fendi’s Canadian site for $5200 CAD now, if anyone is still looking to get me a Christmas gift.  😉

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8 hours ago, Marley said:

Big leaving her a million dollars is weird. Hey sorry o fucked around on you however many years ago but here’s a mil. Almost condescending like.

That's probably why she didn't want it.  Maybe it was Natasha's "eff you" back to Big!  She must be pretty well off if she could wave off a million dollars though!

6 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Some viewers (on other forums) seemed to be getting revved up over the idea that one of Natasha's sons is actually Big's too.

If Carrie ever gets this idea in her head, she really will be spinning.  She'll be stalking the kids to see if one of them looks like Big.  I can hear her now: "You HAVE to let me into your life.  I loved your father.  He would WANT me to tell you about him......."    ;)  

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It's odd to me that Big didn't leave his password anywhere; you'd think his lawyer might have it or something. But Carrie didn't seem to take much interest in Big's life outside of him being her plus one. Obviously his password is the dog's name.

Some general comments...

SJP looks great, fabulous hair and luminous skin. Looks like a bit of lip filler but nothing too extreme. Big looked like a typical rich 60-something guy. His fatal heart attack isn't a shocker since he has a history of heart disease and lived large. Although I guess he was exercising and wasn't overweight, but whatever. Women are widowed; it's an interesting plot line for the show to tackle.

Speaking of lip filler, Kristin Davis needs to step away from it. She's got some unfortunate ducklip going on there. Otherwise, she looks great, same hair, same fashion. Of course they had to include a scene with Harry - the best guy on the show - being uncouth. Because that multi-million dollar apartment only has one bathroom and he has to pee when she's talking on the phone? 

I don't understand the love for Cynthia Nixon's hair, I think it's fug as hell. That God-awful backwards mullet that seems to be the pet hairstyle of yuppie mommies; I thought it was passé but I guess it's still considered fashionable. Ugh, no. Add the grey and the frumpy clothes and they've made Miranda an old lady. Of course, she seems to be married to a doddering, feeble 80-year-old man, so there's that. No sex for years? It's irritating how the writers are acting like 50-something people are ancient senior citizens.

I don't miss Samantha. She had the best zingers, to be sure, but that's in the writing. Someone else can zing, Anthony can deliver just as well. I found Samantha to be kind of mincing and ironically, she was judgy if people weren't like them. Being in Canada, we get more of Kim Cattrall than most, and in interviews she comes across as pretty full of herself. Considering her biggest claim to fame before SATC was being a sex-howling teacher in Porky's, a cult comedy with soft porn undertones, she maybe shouldn't have been so catty about the person and show that gave her fame and fortune. Carrie Bradshaw might be self-involved and terrible, but SJP is nothing but gracious.

All that said, I'm glad to see favourite characters come back, even if the delivery is flawed and sometimes painful. Some who have seen more episodes say it gets better, so I'm hopeful.

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16 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I agree and I can't stand it.  Does anyone find that funny?  A woman being walked in on in the washroom?  Natasha would have locked and why didn't Carrie knock?!

I was more distracted by the fact that Carrie really had to urinate and never did. Once a woman has to really go, she doesn't lose the need to do so just because another situation intervenes. More likely, she would have lost control of her bladder when she burned herself.

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I just remembered the scene in Charlotte's bathroom. I'm with Harry though. Why is Charlotte talking on the phone in the bathroom? When Harry came in she could have walked into another room. So on re-watch I realized that the scene is there to show us that Harry's hairy back is hairless -- he is still waxing it! Thanks, Show, for updating us on things we really need to know.

I guess we can contrast Harry keeping himself up for Charlotte (and she clearly keeps herself up) with Miranda who does look frumpy and has not been interested in sex for years and Steve who is content to scroll Netflix. Their big excitement is eating ice cream every night. (Why have they not also gained 30 pounds each?)

There are couples who age into contentment with sexless marriages but I don't think that's what happened here. If Miranda does divorce him, I hope we see him finding someone else as well. She fell out of sexual love with him years ago and they should have used his infidelity as the doorway to figuring out if she was still interested in sex at all, or at least sex with him. People who want sex in their marriage don't have to stay if their partner makes it clear they don't. Steve seems like he's been rejected so much that he has shut down. It's not all about Miranda, he needs to make a "change" also!

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52 minutes ago, RedHawk said:

She fell out of sexual love with him years ago

I agree with this.  It's not that Miranda isn't interested in sex. She just isn't interested in it with him.  

8 hours ago, Surrealist said:

Some viewers (on other forums) seemed to be getting revved up over the idea that one of Natasha's sons is actually Big's too.

If the writers even flirt with this by having Carrie wonder I am out.  We saw Natasha after her and Big split and she was not pregnant.  It would be one too many plot contrivances for me.  

But I can see the writers, specifically MPK, have Natasha mention her kids just to get the audience wondering.

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The only redeeming parts of this episode were Carrie finding the phone number and calling it to discover it is only her landline (as 2 people who have no idea what our landline number is, both DH and I cracked up), Harry claiming that peeing wins over a phone call in the bathroom, and Anthony's conversation with Charlotte (and by extension, Charlotte's desire to acknowledge what her daughter has told her and be respectful of it, even if she was a fish out of water in that moment).

The rest of it was a mess.

I know there are people who are upset about Carrie not mourning enough, but honestly I think this is pretty realistic so far.  People who haven't gone through it don't get it and Carrie thinking that she will need to "check these boxes" and then can move on.  If this show is like real life - or at least I know how I and many others experienced it - a few weeks after you are done checking those boxes will be when the gravity of what's happened hits you emotionally and the breakdown happens.  For me, it was during a trip to the grocery store in front of the granny smith apples because I had promised my kids apple pie like their Nana used to always make.  For my neighbor, it was in her driveway, turning on the snowblower to clear her car out, which her husband always did.  And THEN after those moments you are left to pick up what's left of you.  Grief is like a spiral.  It never goes away, it never lessens in intensity, it just circles around you and hits you less frequently as time goes on.  In my experience, there's no such thing as moving on from it completely, you simply learn how to live in those moments when they do come back around to punch you in the heart again.  

But I don't expect the writers to acknowledge that and then I'll jump on the "mourning" bandwagon with all of you.  ot to mention, I do believe that women overall probably handle grief better than men as a whole, but I don't believe that Carrie would be one of those women...

I absolutely hate the podcast.  Anybody else? 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, BrindaWalsh said:

a few weeks after you are done checking those boxes will be when the gravity of what's happened hits you emotionally and the breakdown happens

For a lot of people it's when the adrenaline wears off. At first you are busy doing things that need to be done. You have things to plan. People are checking in on you.  And then all of a sudden it's quiet.  And if you live alone you really notice the quiet.  And just like that you realize your life will never be the same.  For Carrie she not only needs to mourn Big she also needs to mourn the future life they would have had.    My husband died nine years ago.  Even now something will happen and it makes me sad that he isn't here for it.  My son is having his first child in June and my husband won't be here to play grandpa.  

13 minutes ago, BrindaWalsh said:

I absolutely hate the podcast.  Anybody else?

Yes I hate it. it-it- the f - it -flam - flames. Flames, on the side of my face, breathing-breathl- heaving breaths. Heaving breaths... Heaving (tm Mrs. White from Clue)

Carrie would be much better suited for a podcast about shoes.  I would listen to that.

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6 hours ago, Peace 47 said:

It was actually a Fendi Baguette, probably the circa 2019-ish reissue version of the original style that Carrie lost to a mugger in the original series.  I don’t think it’s currently for sale from Fendi in the U.S., but according to The Purse Blog, it was available at the low, low price of $3890 when sold here.  It’s on Fendi’s Canadian site for $5200 CAD now, if anyone is still looking to get me a Christmas gift.  😉

... so I'm never owning that haha

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On 12/18/2021 at 2:58 AM, Lethallyfab said:

I’d actually appreciate a Brady Brady joke as Smith was technically Smith Smith.

His given name was Jerry Jerrod. Samantha dubbed him Smith Jerrod to help with his career. 

On 12/18/2021 at 11:30 AM, JasonCC said:

Wasn't there an episode where Charlotte was the final one to turn 35?

The ep was actually about her being the last to turn 36 (though she did say she'd decided to "stick at 35") but that does mean she turned 35 last, too. 🙂

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1 hour ago, BrindaWalsh said:

I absolutely hate the podcast.  Anybody else? 

🙋‍♀️I hate the podcast, too. I don't know why Carrie is doing it. I'm also not at all interested in Che. 

I never planned to watch this but we got 4  free months of HBO Max when we bought a Samsung TV, so here I am...hate watching along with many of you. I will say it's meeting my expectations, as they were rock-bottom. 

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On 12/16/2021 at 2:59 PM, PRgal said:

I wonder if the $1M for Natasha was related to the son's health issues.  And perhaps tuition.  Trinity ain't cheap.

I was thinking it was a general parting gift since Big was awful. I am so curious about Natasha, though: Is she married? How old are her kids? 

On 12/16/2021 at 6:37 PM, BellyLaughter said:

I thought that whole scene at Che’s show was gonna lead to Charlotte and Rose’s storyline evolving … not Miranda becoming Cynthia Nixon… 

Hmmm, how so? 

On 12/16/2021 at 6:47 PM, WendyCR72 said:

This all just pisses me off. As I said, I have nothing against LGBTQ+ representation, but not at the expense of what ACTUALLY occurred on the original series. The foundation for Miranda's shift is crap, so I just cannot buy this.

I don't like Che. I'm sorry, I just don't.

I don't like Che as a character but they're apparently going to have a big role in this reboot. That unfunny standup routine went on for too long and the podcast (seems more like radio) is not interesting. Though Che has a few nice moments, their personality is off-putting. 

On 12/16/2021 at 6:50 PM, JeanJean said:

Logically, isn't the first thing Carrie would have asked Natasha have been if Natasha knew about Big?

I just assumed Carrie knew Natasha knew. But then, I was surprised that Carrie was surprised Natasha knew about the financial gift. 

On 12/16/2021 at 8:40 PM, Lethallyfab said:

I actually buy that.  The stereotype, which is often true, is that Macs are for creatives and PCs are for business people.  (In the episode where Miranda’s mom and Carrie’s laptop died, the tech guy told that she and Aidan were “not compatible” due to their different computers.)  There were two different kinds of cords while Carrie was searching for a charger for Big’s phone.  That said, given the product placement that Apple has had with the show for seemingly forever, I’m surprised they even acknowledged other competitors.  (IMDB claims the first movie was the first time an IPhone appeared in a film.)

I buy it, too. There are plenty of people who use non-Apple products as a preference, not because they can't afford Apple. Not everyone is a fan of the Apple ecosystem. 

On 12/16/2021 at 6:10 PM, Lethallyfab said:

I also thought Charlotte was really dumb not to stay for the afterparty when it would have been a great opportunity to talk to Che about what’s going on with Rose.  

There's nothing wrong with staying if Charlotte wanted to but not to talk to a standup comic/podcaster she doesn't know about her daughter's feelings. Especially when it seems that Charlotte is just in the early stages of talking to Rose about how she feels. 

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7 hours ago, Peace 47 said:

It was actually a Fendi Baguette, probably the circa 2019-ish reissue version of the original style that Carrie lost to a mugger in the original series.  I don’t think it’s currently for sale from Fendi in the U.S., but according to The Purse Blog, it was available at the low, low price of $3890 when sold here.  It’s on Fendi’s Canadian site for $5200 CAD now, if anyone is still looking to get me a Christmas gift.  😉

Thanks! I thought I had spied the shape correctly. Ah well. I’m better at recognizing makeup and music. 🙃 Nice callback, anyway—at least I was astute enough to pick up on that bit 😊

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1 hour ago, Conotocarious said:

 

It sounded nothing like the podcasts I listen to. It just sounded like they were a bunch of annoying DJs on a radio show riffing in between songs. Badly.

 

This is it, exactly.  With the “woke moment” and “trigger warning” buttons, it’s like they were radio shock jocks, only the woke version.

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f Carrie ever gets this idea in her head, she really will be spinning.  She'll be stalking the kids to see if one of them looks like Big.  I can hear her now: "You HAVE to let me into your life.  I loved your father.  He would WANT me to tell you about him......."    ;)  

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2 hours ago, Conotocarious said:

It sounded nothing like the podcasts I listen to. It just sounded like they were a bunch of annoying DJs on a radio show riffing in between songs. Badly.

Thank you! It sounded like the old style shock jocks that used to be so popular twenty years ago.

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On 12/17/2021 at 2:57 PM, BitterApple said:

remember Candace Cameron saying she started wearing wigs for her Hallmark movies because the constant color changes were frying her hair. It's a smart idea so long as the pieces look natural. I'm still traumatized by those God-awful wigs from the Twilight series.

Candace Cameron's wigs always looked cheap and terrible on her Hallmark movies. If SJP is wearing a wig, it's the best I have ever seen. 

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On 12/17/2021 at 2:36 PM, RedHawk said:

I agree with you and yet I swear that every time I go to NYC I either run into one of the handful of people I know or knew there years ago (not in their typical haunts either) OR someone from the small town I grew up in, a thousand miles from NYC. Life is weird. Or it's proof that we live in The Matrix.

The scene in When Harry Met Sally -- In a city of eight million people, you're bound to run into your ex-wife

 

On 12/18/2021 at 11:46 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

Yes and in Season 6 there was an episode named "Catch 38" where Carrie was 38.  That was 2004.  So the show is following their own math to the letter.

Except Brady should be 20. So why isn't he?? They could be pissed that he's having sex w his girlfriend in the house - perhaps COVID meant they had to come home from the dorms where they were used to having all the sex they wanted anytime.  see how easy that is, writers??  and he would still be underage for legal use of recreational weed. 

On 12/18/2021 at 2:41 PM, mansonlamps said:

If a healthy lifestyle includes decades of chainsmoking to maintain her naturally fit body,  then I agree with this. 

And not eating (sweaters in the oven, Vogue instead if food) and drinking ALOT... honestly Carrie's done enough hard living to look rougher than she does. 

2 hours ago, Conotocarious said:

It sounded nothing like the podcasts I listen to. It just sounded like they were a bunch of annoying DJs on a radio show riffing in between songs. Badly.

It was non-binary Howard Stern but less funny.

 

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1 hour ago, MamaMax said:

 

 

Except Brady should be 20. So why isn't he?? They could be pissed that he's having sex w his girlfriend in the house - perhaps COVID meant they had to come home from the dorms where they were used to having all the sex they wanted anytime.  see how easy that is, writers??  and he would still be underage for legal use of recreational weed. 

 

 

Maybe the writers don't have kids and never had a significant other stay overnight when they were at home with their parents/don't remember what their parents said to them.  And yes, I'd be pissed if my son and his significant other had sex at home (especially having LOUD sex...Brady must be doing this to p-off his parents.  Maybe he's mad that his name is basically Miranda's and Steve's respective last names) and eating food that I (or my husband) paid for.   

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On 12/16/2021 at 8:35 AM, ifionlyknew said:

Did I really hear Carrie say Big chose her over Natasha?  That isn't how I remember it.

So I guess we are going to see Miranda take the same path as Cynthia Nixon and be attracted to someone who isn't her male partner.  I'm fine with that storyline as I am someone who was never a fan of Miranda and Steve together.   But I think Miranda would have connected more with the professor.  

Agree.  This could be a good storyline if they write it well which unfortunately I don't think they will.

I have lost a spouse and there are always going to be things you didn't know about them.  Did they finish the reading of the will offscreen?  Does Carrie get everything minus the charitable gifts and Natasha's $1 million?  

After my husband died (I was 43 so even younger than Carrie) I cried every day for almost a year.  Not all day but at least once a day I would cry. I don't think we have seen Carrie process what happened.  She was always an emotional person (although not as emotional as Charlotte) and what we are seeing is Carrie very tightly wound. Which is understandable.  She is probably thinking if I let go I will never recover.  But she will never get over the acute grief if she doesn't deal with it.  

Still miss Samantha.  

I miss Samantha also, and so sorry about your husband.  I know this is a show about women and their friendships, but where are their extended families?  No parents, no siblings?  I can’t recall any except Steve’s Mother.  Seems they all depend on each other for any kind of support they need, which is everyday it seems.

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What would be really cool--and mess with everyone's expectations--is if Che and Miranda just became close friends. 

 

As someone said upthread we need more representation of straight/gay/non-bianary FRIENDSHIPS aside from fabulous gay men with fabulous straight women (Will & Grace tropes). 

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36 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

I miss Samantha also, and so sorry about your husband.  I know this is a show about women and their friendships, but where are their extended families?  No parents, no siblings?  I can’t recall any except Steve’s Mother.  Seems they all depend on each other for any kind of support they need, which is everyday it seems.

I remember Carrie saying she never knew her father, so maybe she was an only child of a single mom? I guess we could handwave that her mother died at some point. It's interesting though, that no one from Big's or Carrie's families was at the courthouse wedding, in addition to just one random brother at the funeral. 

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9 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I remember Carrie saying she never knew her father, so maybe she was an only child of a single mom? I guess we could handwave that her mother died at some point. It's interesting though, that no one from Big's or Carrie's families was at the courthouse wedding, in addition to just one random brother at the funeral. 

And yet, on the brief series, The Carrie Diaries, she lived with her father and younger sister.

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58 minutes ago, kristen111 said:

I miss Samantha also, and so sorry about your husband.  I know this is a show about women and their friendships, but where are their extended families?  No parents, no siblings?  I can’t recall any except Steve’s Mother.  Seems they all depend on each other for any kind of support they need, which is everyday it seems.

There was Trey’s mom too.  

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On 12/17/2021 at 2:21 PM, ahpny said:

Her husband did just die; cut her some slack.

No.

why should she cut her husband's mistress any slack? 

Who the fuck do these people think they are?  My hate watch continues.

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So if Carrie and Miranda are 55, with Charlotte a tad younger, they are all Gen Xers.

My jaw dropped when Miranda mentioned no sex for years.  I guess Steve’s one ball gave him a real low sex drive.  
 

I always thought Carrie wanted Big over Aiden because she liked the wealth, showing it off and living large.

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12 hours ago, BrindaWalsh said:

Grief is like a spiral.  It never goes away, it never lessens in intensity, it just circles around you and hits you less frequently as time goes on.  In my experience, there's no such thing as moving on from it completely, you simply learn how to live in those moments when they do come back around to punch you in the heart again

Damn. That is really insightful. Thank you for articulating it. 

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15 hours ago, Shermie said:

But Carrie didn't seem to take much interest in Big's life outside of him being her plus one.

Agreed. I know I shouldn’t project my life onto these characters, but both my parents (who have separate bank accounts) know every word of each other’s living trusts. My brother and I have read them, too. Both parents know which assets are where and so do my brother and I. We’re not wealthy. We’re certainly not enmeshed (most of the time we find it hard to get along). It’s just something we’ve always been transparent about. So it’s foreign to me when I see people who don’t know any financial info. about their household and are lost when the other spouse dies. 

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On 12/16/2021 at 9:44 PM, John M said:

Ask any LGBTQ person or anyone that knew them closely as a child, and they knew. This is bullshit, I was just as obviously gay as a young child looking back at videos, pictures and my own memories and my mother's memories as my nephew is now at the same age. I would be carrying around way less mental trauma now if I was just allowed to be gay like my nephew will be. Funny, the only "girl" I was ever attracted to is a trans man and it turns out most of my childhood male friendships ended up coming out later in life.

 

I think this just shows how individual everyone's journey is. I didn't know till my early 20s--if you'd asked me in my teens I'd have sworn I was only into men, despite now being married to a woman, and finding Che incredibly hot (despite, oddly, not being super attracted to the lovely Sara Ramirez?)

I get that this exposition to queerness is clunky and heavy handed, and I don't love it, but it's got us talking, and honestly so. I've read through three threads about this show and only seen Che misgendered once. It's awkward and uncomfortable and honestly written really poorly, but it also exemplifies the journey of extremely privileged white boomer older women navigating a world that changed while they stayed the same. This from a show that explicitly and overtly described gay men as accessories for straight women.

I won't praise the show. They did Samantha dirty, they're destroying decades of Miranda's character development, Carrie and Big were always terrible (imagine marrying someone you call "kid"!)--this show is awful and I'm hate-watching, but at least we're not describing queer people as curiosities, experiments and accessories anymore.

Edit: sorry, they're not boomers--the way they describe themselves as near death's door my brain decided they were older than they are. Corrected.

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18 hours ago, ifionlyknew said:

Carrie would be much better suited for a podcast about shoes.  I would listen to that.

Not only would that be enjoyable but all her years of collecting would finally pay off toward something. I could also see brands sending her things the way they do influencers. Another thing I could see is Carrie moving away from “Sex” and writing more about fashion and culture. 
 

This episode had a few cute moments but I’m still not feeling it. I hate saying that. 

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On 12/17/2021 at 6:37 PM, bichonblitz said:

Lol, listen I'm the first one to criticize bad plastic surgery and the first 2 episodes she definitely had a weird wonky smile going on like her lips were too stretched out or something but this last episode I thought she looked great. 

I did too. She looked more natural this episode. 

I also thought the dialogue sounded better, as if the actors have found their rhythm again. But the scene with Carrie and Natasha. Ouch! Natasha was much more gracious than I would’ve been.  I would’ve told Carrie to get lost. 

I’m used to seeing Bridget Moynahan on Blue Bloods, so it was nice to see her revisit an old character on SATC. I was hoping they wouldn’t recast the part. I think she’s lovely, kind of an old-school classic beauty. 

Carrie was dismissive to Charlotte’s concerns about Miranda, but I could see this happening. She’s overwhelmed with grief now and doesn’t really have the bandwidth to process anything else. At least that’s how I interpreted it. 

Miranda seems lost. Are the writers going for a late midlife crisis?

Has Steve’s voice always been this weird or has it gotten squeakier?

I wonder if the Big storyline has been put to bed now or if they’ll bring it up later and Carrie will find out more about him, kind of a double-life thing. I’m guessing it will be the former because the writers don’t want to taint Carrie and Big’s love story. 

I guess I’ll watch until the end. I thought this episode was better than the first few, although I couldn’t stand Che’s routine. I would’ve walked out. Actually, I probably wouldn’t have gone. Not my kind of humor. 

 

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 I know this is a show about women and their friendships, but where are their extended families?  No parents, no siblings?  I can’t recall any except Steve’s Mother.  Seems they all depend on each other for any kind of support they need, which is everyday it seems.

That's typical Hollywood writing. If characters have friends, they have very little family (my friends are my family); if it's a family oriented show then they have few, if any, friends. I guess it keeps casts smaller and easier to write for, not to mention cheaper, but it's not realistic.

Ill never understand why nobody on tv locks the bathroom door (especially in a public place, the hell?). I know it's to allow the cheap trope of someone walking in on them, but again, it's not realistic. Didn't a small kid walk in while Miranda was peeing at some guy's house? So stupid.

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Why when Rose told Charlotte she did not feel like a girl, why wouldn't Charlotte ask Rose what feeling like a girl felt like to her?  I am a girl and I don't know what a girl feels like, I just feel like me. Charlotte asked Anthony about it and his advise was good, it was advise she would have gotten from anyone with a brain.  Why not ask Rose if she would like to talk to a trained professional about her feelings, Charlotte tends to spin easily, goes overboard on over thinking and over reacts in an unhelpful way, she needs professional guidance probably more than Rose would need.

Tell me again why Miranda and Steve let Brady treat their house like a frat house?  What guilt do they have to allow a 17 year old kid have sleepovers with a girl? I'll tell you who would have put an end to it, Magda!

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13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

And yet, on the brief series, The Carrie Diaries, she lived with her father and younger sister.

That’s because somewhere along the lines we ended up with MPK and SJP’s version of Carrie than Candace Bushnell’s. Of course she wrote The Carrie Diaries much later but still. CB’s Carrie was flawed but likeable. 
I actually liked The Carrie Diaries. 

 

10 hours ago, monagatuna said:

this show is awful and I'm hate-watching, but at least we're not describing queer people as curiosities, experiments and accessories anymore.

This is very powerful and we need more of it. I’ve never liked the way any humans have been treated as accessories, curiosities or experiments. 

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14 hours ago, Hanahope said:

I always thought Carrie wanted Big over Aiden because she liked the wealth, showing it off and living large.

Big was hard to get and Aidan was easy to get!  Carrie can't do anything that's easy!

15 hours ago, PRgal said:

There was Trey’s mom too.  

Miranda's sister, Charlotte's brother.  It's long been a complaint of mine that we know so much about the men on this show (ALL of Trey's fucking family, ALL of Steve's family, we briefly see Aidan's parents, we know Big's mom, and now his brother, and BOTH of his ex-wives, Stanford's Grandmother) but we don't even know a fraction of that when it comes to the main 4 women.  So frustrating.

It's like the show wants everyone to pretend that the main 4 women don't have family while we have to tolerate meeting everyone in the family of every secondary character.

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On 12/20/2021 at 7:13 AM, ChitChat said:

If Carrie ever gets this idea in her head, she really will be spinning.  She'll be stalking the kids to see if one of them looks like Big.  I can hear her now: "You HAVE to let me into your life.  I loved your father.  He would WANT me to tell you about him......."    ;)  

Carrie has done a ton of cringey shit, but this would be top shelf ridiculousness.

That said I could totally see her doing this. 😂

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12 hours ago, Mrs. Landingham said:

So it’s foreign to me when I see people who don’t know any financial info. about their household and are lost when the other spouse dies. 

It's actually pretty common. When my mom passed away, my dad had absolutely no idea about the household finances. Mom paid all the bills so I spent quite some time in the weeks after she died seeing what needed to be paid and when, getting the log in information on the various accounts, having them transferred to me and working out a new budget (since Dad no longer had my mother's income & social security). He's spoken to his family and friends and this seems to be the norm of his generation. One spouse (usually the wife) manages the household and if something happens, the widow many not know what bills are due until the electricity gets turned off.

 

11 hours ago, monagatuna said:

but at least we're not describing queer people as curiosities, experiments and accessories anymore.

Aren't they, with Miranda suddenly deciding that she might be bisexual because Che caused an awakening for her? My biggest issue with how they use queer characters is that these characters don't seem to exist except to play into the storylines of the leads. Even Stanford's and Anthony's marriage has no weight because the only time we see them is around Carrie or Charlotte. We don't see them just being a couple with one another and having their own storyline (even a small one). Che has no reason to be on the show except to provide something for Miranda to do.  They're barely actual characters and more like props.

I'll shit all over Glee from now until the cows come home, but at least their gay characters had their own storylines and conflicts. The most we're seeing here is Che's bad stand up routine and Stanford and Anthony arguing over who's the best gay coatrack to their chosen lady.

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On 12/20/2021 at 7:35 AM, Shermie said:

I don't miss Samantha. She had the best zingers, to be sure, but that's in the writing. Someone else can zing, Anthony can deliver just as well. I found Samantha to be kind of mincing and ironically, she was judgy if people weren't like them. Being in Canada, we get more of Kim Cattrall than most, and in interviews she comes across as pretty full of herself. Considering her biggest claim to fame before SATC was being a sex-howling teacher in Porky's, a cult comedy with soft porn undertones, she maybe shouldn't have been so catty about the person and show that gave her fame and fortune. Carrie Bradshaw might be self-involved and terrible, but SJP is nothing but gracious.

I liked Samantha the best. I also like Kim, but I appreciate your perspective (given that you're both Canadian). No one is perfect, and I never understood all the hate being thrown at SJP in this fight. I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

For better or worse, the show is/was centered around Carrie. In every show, there's usually a main character. Samantha was popular, but the show wasn't hers.

I realize this isn't supposed to be SATC, and friendships do change over time. I don't know why this bothers a lot of people. The way writers explained Samantha's absence was b.s. and could have been written better.

I don't miss Samantha being on this show because I don't think it would have worked (now that we're coming up on episode 4).

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Years ago the showrunners talked about why we saw so few of the women's family members. They said that they wanted the women to function as one another's family members. This is why we heard them mention real family, but never really saw any of them.

So many shows are centered around families, that I never minded SATC focusing only on the women and their friendship.

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22 hours ago, PRgal said:

Maybe the writers don't have kids and never had a significant other stay overnight when they were at home with their parents/don't remember what their parents said to them.  And yes, I'd be pissed if my son and his significant other had sex at home (especially having LOUD sex...Brady must be doing this to p-off his parents.  Maybe he's mad that his name is basically Miranda's and Steve's respective last names) and eating food that I (or my husband) paid for.   

This scene cracked me up.  When I was twenty years old, and making out in my dark hallway in my parents house with my then fiance, my Mother called me a Tramp.  Lol.  How things have changed.  I wasn’t even sleeping with him, or anybody.  Just making out.

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1 hour ago, kristen111 said:

This scene cracked me up.  When I was twenty years old, and making out in my dark hallway in my parents house with my then fiance, my Mother called me a Tramp.  Lol.  How things have changed.  I wasn’t even sleeping with him, or anybody.  Just making out.

I'm not sure my parents would have been that horrible with me at 20 (I turned 20 in September of 1999).  Maybe they'd say something like "please don't do that in front of me" or something like that.  My grandmother, on the other hand....(this was also a woman who told me that only "married ladies" wore tampons).

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6 hours ago, Hana Chan said:

Aren't they, with Miranda suddenly deciding that she might be bisexual because Che caused an awakening for her? My biggest issue with how they use queer characters is that these characters don't seem to exist except to play into the storylines of the leads. Even Stanford's and Anthony's marriage has no weight because the only time we see them is around Carrie or Charlotte. We don't see them just being a couple with one another and having their own storyline (even a small one). Che has no reason to be on the show except to provide something for Miranda to do.  They're barely actual characters and more like props.

 

Hmm, yes, I do see your point, and the writers are indeed using them as plot points--but given that we are focusing on the lives of these four women, I'm going to have to shelve my umbrage on this one. For that matter, we are not currently exploring any real storylines for any of the POC in this series, either--we have Miranda stumbling over her own tongue when met with a Black professor, and "Black Charlotte" (ew), but I don't anticipate learning anything real about any of them. The writers are definitely using these individuals as a vehicle, but what I was referring to was comments like how Stanford was Carrie's gay accessory and gay men existed to be straight women's dates for weddings. I can't remember the exact quote, but she said something to that effect during the original series. I'm sure I'm muddling it, but it was pretty overt and honestly really shocking and dehumanizing.

You make a very valid point; I was just referring to the characters themselves overtly describing their gay friends as accessories.

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Between Miranda's growing feelings for Che and Carrie's fight with Samantha, it feels like they're just cherry picking events out of the actor's lives to pad this reboot.  If Kristen Davis had gone through something tabloid worthy, I think they would fit that in too.

Sexless marriages aren't new, but we've seen this before from Miranda and Steve.  At least Steve's cheating (awful of him) forced them to acknowledge the problems in their marriage and make the decision if they wanted to stay together.  If Miranda does enter some kind of affair with Che (emotional or otherwise) it doesn't seem much different than most cheating plots: someone falls for a vivacious younger person who excites them, rather than going home to the boring spouse they've known for years.  Only difference here is that Che is non-binary.  It doesn't help that they make Steve look as appealing as a slug. 

I'll admit that I'm biased, I loved Steve because he was so unremarkable.  He wasn't the "Chrysler building" like Big, a gorgeous model like Smith, or a witty lawyer like Harry.  Steve was just an average guy who tended bar, and had nothing in common with someone like Miranda.  But the spark between the was undeniable and they brought out the best in each other.  It's why they lasted so long, imo.  

I don't blame Natasha for not going to Big's funeral.  And I'm sure she knew about it.  Pretty sure Big was a name in finance, and Carrie was damn near a celebrity by the end of the series.  But Natasha has her own life now, her own kids.  She was only with Big for a year and it still ended in disaster.  She would probably feel out of place at his funeral, so why go?  As it was, Carrie indulged her own worst vices by stalking Natasha just making it look like Natasha was right to avoid her in the first place.

Speaking of Carrie, I hate that she went back to her apartment in the end.  It feels like regression.  I understand her not wanting to stay at the home that she shared with Big, but if they're moving her back to her old apartment, this just feels like a cheap way to relive the past.

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12 minutes ago, Amethyst said:

I'll admit that I'm biased, I loved Steve because he was so unremarkable.  He wasn't the "Chrysler building" like Big, a gorgeous model like Smith, or a witty lawyer like Harry.  Steve was just an average guy who tended bar, and had nothing in common with someone like Miranda.  But the spark between the was undeniable and they brought out the best in each other.  It's why they lasted so long, imo.  

This, and it's another reason (of many I have already discussed!) why the blatant sabotage of Steve and the relationship overall enrages me. If you have to make the husband look like an oaf and outright lie about the foundation of said marriage to sell the newbie, guess what?

It means the story and character are already a failure. At least, it is to me.

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15 hours ago, monagatuna said:

Hmm, yes, I do see your point, and the writers are indeed using them as plot points--but given that we are focusing on the lives of these four women, I'm going to have to shelve my umbrage on this one. For that matter, we are not currently exploring any real storylines for any of the POC in this series, either--we have Miranda stumbling over her own tongue when met with a Black professor, and "Black Charlotte" (ew), but I don't anticipate learning anything real about any of them. The writers are definitely using these individuals as a vehicle, but what I was referring to was comments like how Stanford was Carrie's gay accessory and gay men existed to be straight women's dates for weddings. I can't remember the exact quote, but she said something to that effect during the original series. I'm sure I'm muddling it, but it was pretty overt and honestly really shocking and dehumanizing.

You make a very valid point; I was just referring to the characters themselves overtly describing their gay friends as accessories.

And we won't.  The show is about Carrie, Miranda and Charlotte.  They can always do a spinoff about, say, Lisa whatever her last name is (names are?  We don't know if it's hyphenated or whether she (like me) uses two last names), the prof or Che.  Not sure if I'd watch one about Che, but maybe the prof and definitely LTK.  She seems to be my kind of gal.

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On 12/17/2021 at 9:11 PM, ByaNose said:

Is Sara Ramirez supposed to be considered funny on the show or in real life? Because I don’t find her or the character funny. In fact, I don’t even like the character. I could do with out her on my show and screen now. Thank you.

The worst.  This show needs a Samantha substitute stat.

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