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I thought Maya Hawke’s cameo was quite funny, it would appear that she has a great sense of humor. I hope someone casts her in a good comedy. It looks like she could make it work.

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Cameron Douglas (the son of Michael and grandson of Kirk) has written a rather poignant bio called Long Way Home!

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Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wrote this himself, he not only seems quite articulate about how self-destructive he was for so long and all that he's gone through as a result (including a good number of years in prison), I have to say he gets more than a few points from me FWIW to write a very detailed cautionary tale about what can happen re substance abuse and an initial lack of consequences for the actions. And I also believe that his parents DO at least emotionally support him in telling his side of what happened in their lives.  Also interesting that he gives credit for his stepmother Catherine Zeta- Jones for encouraging his father to keep the ties as long as he could despite how frayed they'd become. I also think he has to have quite a few issues re heading into middle age (at age 40) and having spent almost all the years from puberty onwards with self-destruction as the primary MO with only the last few years taking life on its own terms and learning how to live again. Yes, I sincerely hope he CAN stay evidently clean and sober to be the best companion to his child's co-parent to say nothing of the best father possible to his toddler daughter  (who I imagine he now understands  his father   being willing to cut him off to protect  his younger half-sibs) but I imagine it's  not  easy attempting to create a 'normal life'  in just the last few years after so many decades evidently reveling in the self-destructive modes. 

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I can't help but wonder if Martin Sheen could have read this and have asked ' Why can't MY youngest son   see the light like Michael's seemed to have done?'

Oh, to keep this relevant to the thread, he says that he currently is hoping to revive an acting career but admits that he burned quite a few bridges in his earlier efforts  in those toxic states so I'm wondering how many studios, producers and/or insurers want to chance things with him so newly evidently clean and sober- even with his remarkable facial resemblance to his father and vocal resemblance to his grandfather! 

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Jamie Lee Curtis Has Never Worked Hard In Her Life

After forty yeas in the business and still as relevant as ever, it's pretty cool to see how honest Jamie Lee is about herself. I loved this tidbit about Halloween:

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I auditioned many, many, many times. And then it was between me and one other woman, whose name I know but I will never say publicly. I’m sure the fact that I was Janet Leigh and Tony Curtis’s daughter, and that my mother had been in “Psycho”—if you’re going to choose between this one and this one, choose the one whose mother was in “Psycho,” because it will get some press for you. I’m never going to pretend that I just got that on my own, like I’m just a little girl from nowhere getting it. Clearly, I had a leg up.

Pretty much reminds me of what she said on her Intimate Portrait- being a name gets you in the door. But then once you're in, you gotta prove yourself or you're not going to stay there very long.

I think Jamie's staying power has to do with the fact that she really does know how to re-invent herself as well as roll with the given ups and down of an long-term acting career. Tired playing virginal scream queens? Go for an R-rated comedy where you showed off your boobs. No wants you to play a sex pot anymore because of your failed plastic surgery? Well, hype up your flaws in an interview and do a series of middle-aged mom comedy roles, i.e. Freaky Friday and Christmas with the Kranks. That well is starting to run dry i.e. right around the time of "You Again"? Well, hitch your wagon to Ryan Murphy for a spell playing a hard-nosed matronly school dean that isn't really like anything else you've played. So on and so forth. I mean, you really have to hand it to her- she's kept herself relevant in her 60's without having the benefit of a prestige career like Meryl Streep or Helen Mirren.

Also the addiction thing she talked about...I remember people were saying that she seemed to have gained a significant amount of weight in between the time she did the Tailor of Panama where she was still "The Body" and her "More" interview a few years later and recovering from addiction seems like the probable answer.

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Watching "Plus One" with Maya Eskrine and Jack Quaid. There's definitely a place in Hollywood for Jack- not sure he's super-star potential like Meg was or the hunky bad boy dreamboat his father was, but I can see him having a pretty solid character career. He's funny and has a decent amount of charisma to him. He also works the "hopeless romantic everyman" role in a romantic indie pretty well.

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Jack Quaid is really good in The Boys, as a sort of everyman loser who reaches his breaking point. He does dorky well and he does anger and instability well. I definitely see his career continuing to rise.

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I feel like "successful" nepotism is when your privileges and advantages make you better and "unsuccessful" nepotism is when mediocre or untalented people get elevated over people who are more deserving because of their family connections. It is shitty either way that some people have huge advantages in a business that can unlock so much wealth, fame, influence, etc. but that's life. There's nepotism in every business. 

Like, "successful" nepotism is being born into a family of actors, directors, producers, etc. And being around those creative people means you're raised with a different mindset and encouraged to pursue your artistic inclinations. There's no way to fully quantify all the benefits of being raised with that kind of family and family friends. You can pick up so much without much effort that other people need to learn by going to school and through trial and error. And if your family connections are successful, that wealth can go into training and education and the formal ways you can improve your natural talents, not to mention continuing to buy you access to the right kind of people. This is before your family connections even start helping you out in getting jobs. In some ways, it's no wonder that you have successful family dynasties of actors, singers, etc. 

"Unsuccessful" nepotism is having all the advantages but just being mediocre. Or a pretty face. You're genetically blessed but there's no corresponding talent or charisma and no effort to work hard to gain it. 

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On 3/9/2020 at 5:33 AM, aradia22 said:

"Unsuccessful" nepotism is having all the advantages but just being mediocre. Or a pretty face. You're genetically blessed but there's no corresponding talent or charisma and no effort to work hard to gain it. 

Hey, leave Scott Eastwood alone! [/kidding]

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2 hours ago, absnow54 said:

Hey, leave Scott Eastwood alone! [/kidding]

Yeah, despite his other well-chronicled faults , I do have to grudgingly give the elder Mr. Eastwood credit for having been a relatively good father to Scott (even factoring him never having married Scott's mother) and Scott himself has managed to carve a steady independent path so those are positives to note!

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Maya Hawke looks and sounds just like her mom Uma Thurman but there are moments in Stranger Things season 3 I swear I could also see her dad Ethan Hawke in the way she acts.

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On ‎3‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 5:37 PM, VCRTracking said:

Maya Hawke looks and sounds just like her mom Uma Thurman but there are moments in Stranger Things season 3 I swear I could also see her dad Ethan Hawke in the way she acts.

I think she definitely has some of her dad's cynical detachment. She'd be completely at home in a 90s, navel-gazing slacker comedy (which means she's probably coming along at just the right time, as 90s nostalgia is really starting to take off). I like her a lot, and want to see her in more stuff.

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5 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

I think she definitely has some of her dad's cynical detachment. She'd be completely at home in a 90s, navel-gazing slacker comedy (which means she's probably coming along at just the right time, as 90s nostalgia is really starting to take off). I like her a lot, and want to see her in more stuff.

She's also girl-next-door pretty instead of supermodel pretty, which means she can be the pretty girl if the role calls for it, but she's also plain enough that if she needs to be in plain Jane role, it's believable. She's not going to have the same problem Uma Thurman did where almost every early role she was in had something to do with her looks.

Maya is definitely poised pretty well.

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"Unsuccessful" nepotism is having all the advantages but just being mediocre.

I feel like the biggest tragedy in Tori Spelling is that she was so focused on trying to be an actress and trying to "fix" her face and body so that she'd fit the standard when she really, really should have a pulled a Sophia Coppola and gone behind the scenes. She really does have a talent for recognizing talent. She should have been a casting agent or something like that.

It's frustrating to watch her because she's all to willing to admit what her flaws and neuroses are (her failed BH90210 show was brutally honest about them as well as her zillion reality shows), but she never does anything about it. That said, she does keep on trucking so there's always that.

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Yeah, despite his other well-chronicled faults , I do have to grudgingly give the elder Mr. Eastwood credit for having been a relatively good father to Scott (even factoring him never having married Scott's mother) and Scott himself has managed to carve a steady independent path so those are positives to note!

Scott Eastwood looks so much like his father that people wanted him to immediately have that kind of gravitas, but he's more like a sweet frat boy than a grizzled cowboy.

In Eastwood's case, I think he was partially stymied by the fact that his big opening movie "The Longest Ride" was a Nicholas Sparks movie during the waning period of said movies. Also, Britt Robertson is box office poison if I ever saw box office poison. (Is her dad a movie executive or something? Why does she keep getting cast as the lead in movies?)

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10 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

 

Scott Eastwood looks so much like his father that people wanted him to immediately have that kind of gravitas, but he's more like a sweet frat boy than a grizzled cowboy.

In Eastwood's case, I think he was partially stymied by the fact that his big opening movie "The Longest Ride" was a Nicholas Sparks movie during the waning period of said movies.

Well, first of all, if one sees a pic of the elder Mr. Eastwood back at Scott's age, one might think HE was closer to being a 'sweet frat boy' than a grizzled cowboy . More importantly, if Scott Eastwood didn't have the raw talent or determination, his performing career would have been guaranteed to have been a one-shot rather than a steady career. Of course, one may argue that had not the elder Mr. Eastwood done right by him via having claimed him as his son instead of Scott being forced to have used his mother's surname, Scott Eastwood likely wouldn't have gotten a toe much less a foot in the door any more than countless other performers of his age and looks. 

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On 3/11/2020 at 11:29 PM, methodwriter85 said:

She's also girl-next-door pretty instead of supermodel pretty, which means she can be the pretty girl if the role calls for it, but she's also plain enough that if she needs to be in plain Jane role, it's believable. She's not going to have the same problem Uma Thurman did where almost every early role she was in had something to do with her looks.

Maya is definitely poised pretty well.

I feel like the biggest tragedy in Tori Spelling is that she was so focused on trying to be an actress and trying to "fix" her face and body so that she'd fit the standard when she really, really should have a pulled a Sophia Coppola and gone behind the scenes. She really does have a talent for recognizing talent. She should have been a casting agent or something like that.

It's frustrating to watch her because she's all to willing to admit what her flaws and neuroses are (her failed BH90210 show was brutally honest about them as well as her zillion reality shows), but she never does anything about it. That said, she does keep on trucking so there's always that.

Scott Eastwood looks so much like his father that people wanted him to immediately have that kind of gravitas, but he's more like a sweet frat boy than a grizzled cowboy.

In Eastwood's case, I think he was partially stymied by the fact that his big opening movie "The Longest Ride" was a Nicholas Sparks movie during the waning period of said movies. Also, Britt Robertson is box office poison if I ever saw box office poison. (Is her dad a movie executive or something? Why does she keep getting cast as the lead in movies?)

Tori for me is one of those actresses that needs a good director and material. For as much as people rag on her (which I believe has a lot more to do with her status) when she is good people generally respond. Her performances in House of Yes, Trick, and So Notorious have always been lauded as something special. 

As for 90210, Shannen and Jennie had the flashier roles, but Tori's Donna is arguably the most relatable character throughout the whole series. 

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On 3/12/2020 at 1:29 AM, methodwriter85 said:

I feel like the biggest tragedy in Tori Spelling is that she was so focused on trying to be an actress and trying to "fix" her face and body so that she'd fit the standard when she really, really should have a pulled a Sophia Coppola and gone behind the scenes. She really does have a talent for recognizing talent. She should have been a casting agent or something like that.

It's frustrating to watch her because she's all to willing to admit what her flaws and neuroses are (her failed BH90210 show was brutally honest about them as well as her zillion reality shows), but she never does anything about it. That said, she does keep on trucking so there's always that.

I absolutely agree with you. And also her connections cushioned her JUST ENOUGH so she wouldn’t have to deal with her issues in a real way. For most people who have a compulsion for shopping or gambling or something like that have to get help or either end up on the street because they will hit rock bottom. Or they have to curb it enough to function to pay the light bill. Tori has never had to worry that she will be on the street if she doesn’t manage her money in a realistic way and she’s always being extended lines of credit. 
 

The woman isn’t lazy, and she’s not stupid, but she doesn’t want to work on herself. And then she decided to have six children (much easier to focus on raising them than improving yourself) and there you go. 

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8 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

The woman isn’t lazy, and she’s not stupid, but she doesn’t want to work on herself. And then she decided to have six children (much easier to focus on raising them than improving yourself) and there you go. 

It's frustrating because you're right, she will never really hit rock bottom. Her spending is bad, but it's not going to land her in the hospital like a drug addiction would.

And in all honestly, Tori has made being a neurotic trainwreck who grew up rich but can't handle money as part of her brand just as much as her plastic surgery, million kids and deadbeat husband are. Why change if you know you got a hook that will keep the public interested enough in you that your name stays in the tabloids?

It's just disappointing though because if she really put her mind to it, she could have been running like an entire network of reality shows on like Bravo or something like that. In an alternate universe I think she could have been Andy Cohen. (And probably better at it than he is!)

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12 hours ago, methodwriter85 said:

It's frustrating because you're right, she will never really hit rock bottom. Her spending is bad, but it's not going to land her in the hospital like a drug addiction would.

And in all honestly, Tori has made being a neurotic trainwreck who grew up rich but can't handle money as part of her brand just as much as her plastic surgery, million kids and deadbeat husband are. Why change if you know you got a hook that will keep the public interested enough in you that your name stays in the tabloids?

It's just disappointing though because if she really put her mind to it, she could have been running like an entire network of reality shows on like Bravo or something like that. In an alternate universe I think she could have been Andy Cohen. (And probably better at it than he is!)

If she wants to wreck her own life to keep trying to do the same stuff over and over  that's gotten her nowhere either out of insanity or a desire to hear herself complain, that's on HER.

 

However, the fact that she's willing to risk neglect and/or abuse for six kids rather than step up to the plate and make them her number one priority, is infuriating! 

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Apart from clashing with director Henry Winkler which led to the latter parting ways with the production in the early movie Turner and Hooch (1989), I've never heard of anything off about Tom Hanks, yet now his son Chet has been accused of rather serious domestic violence against his girlfriend (and had been documented having had major drug issues before) so could Mr. Hanks and Miss Wilson be street angels/ house devils or could it be a case of a kid going bad despite having had good parenting (which is NOT unheard of)? Oh, and despite his parental ties, the younger Mr. Hanks doesn't seem to be on the verge of superstardom. 

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43 minutes ago, Blergh said:

Apart from clashing with director Henry Winkler which led to the latter parting ways with the production in the early movie Turner and Hooch (1989), I've never heard of anything off about Tom Hanks, yet now his son Chet has been accused of rather serious domestic violence against his girlfriend (and had been documented having had major drug issues before) so could Mr. Hanks and Miss Wilson be street angels/ house devils or could it be a case of a kid going bad despite having had good parenting (which is NOT unheard of)? Oh, and despite his parental ties, the younger Mr. Hanks doesn't seem to be on the verge of superstardom. 

to be fair to Tom Hanks, his other three children all seem to be entirely normal, well-adjusted adults so the issue might actually just be Chet.

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2 hours ago, Blergh said:

Apart from clashing with director Henry Winkler which led to the latter parting ways with the production in the early movie Turner and Hooch (1989), I've never heard of anything off about Tom Hanks, yet now his son Chet has been accused of rather serious domestic violence against his girlfriend (and had been documented having had major drug issues before) so could Mr. Hanks and Miss Wilson be street angels/ house devils or could it be a case of a kid going bad despite having had good parenting (which is NOT unheard of)? Oh, and despite his parental ties, the younger Mr. Hanks doesn't seem to be on the verge of superstardom. 

I don't think Chet being an arsehole should reflect badly on Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. They raised their kids, but their adult behaviour is their own responsibility. It's been fairly well documented for a long time that Chet is an entitled dickbag. Colin, on the other hand, is a successful actor, husband and father who seems absurdly well adjusted and normal, a lot like his father.

It's not dissimilar to Martin Sheen's disaster of a son, Charlie and relatively well adjusted other son, Emilio.

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On 8/7/2018 at 5:51 PM, methodwriter85 said:
On 6/16/2015 at 11:22 PM, JBC344 said:

I find Laura Dern to be incredibly underrated in terms of star power, but I have never heard another actor not praise her work.  She is one of those "character actors/just below A list stars" that seems to garner a lot of respect and admiration from others.

This comment is 3 years old, and I'm happy to say that Laura Dern definitely seems to be getting her due these days. I'm glad.

This comment is almost 3 years old, and I have to say I find Laura Dern to be one of the most wooden actresses I have ever seen.

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2 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

I don't think Chet being an arsehole should reflect badly on Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. They raised their kids, but their adult behaviour is their own responsibility. It's been fairly well documented for a long time that Chet is an entitled dickbag. Colin, on the other hand, is a successful actor, husband and father who seems absurdly well adjusted and normal, a lot like his father.

It's not dissimilar to Martin Sheen's disaster of a son, Charlie and relatively well adjusted other son, Emilio.

The video of Colin being incredibly polite about Chet is a riot. 

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20 hours ago, Danny Franks said:

I don't think Chet being an arsehole should reflect badly on Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson. They raised their kids, but their adult behaviour is their own responsibility. It's been fairly well documented for a long time that Chet is an entitled dickbag. Colin, on the other hand, is a successful actor, husband and father who seems absurdly well adjusted and normal, a lot like his father.

It's not dissimilar to Martin Sheen's disaster of a son, Charlie and relatively well adjusted other son, Emilio.

Well, in my previous post's defense, I DID give them an the Hanks parents an out by saying that it was possible that that this could have been a case of the senior Hankses being good parents and with the younger Mr. Hanks rebelling by going bad. Of course, we truly have no idea what kind of parents they WERE behind closed doors ( even if it appears that three out of four of Mr. Hanks's offspring seem to be fairly well-adjusted worthwhile folks- and it should be noted that Colin is Mr. Hanks's son by his late first wife  Samantha Lewes who I'd like to add that the senior Mr. Hanks supported and paid for the medical care of in the last part of her life- despite having been long since divorced with him being remarried to Miss Wilson).

As to Mr. Sheen, I'd be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if he actually acknowledged that that his prodigal son Charlie IS a prodigal son who's had problems that have been entirely of the latter's own doing instead of touting his offspring as 'his hero' and treating him as though he can do no wrong. 

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On 4/1/2021 at 9:03 AM, Danny Franks said:

It's not dissimilar to Martin Sheen's disaster of a son, Charlie and relatively well adjusted other son, Emilio.

I agree.  And, in addition to Emilio, Ramón and Renée.  All three seem to conduct themselves like their parents, not their epic disaster of a brother.  Same with Tom Hanks; the other three adult children seem to be decent people.

To grow up with that level of privilege and only one come out with a raging sense of entitlement suggests to me it's far more likely the parents actively taught perspective, and one just didn't listen, than that these were households headed by closet devils.

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Kate Winslet's daughter is 20 and a working actor.

 

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With a different last name, Winslet said Threapleton's Hollywood connection was undetected and she landed her first role on her own.

Threapleton most recently starred in the 2020 movie Shadows.

"What's great for her is she has a different surname so she slipped under the radar and the people who cast her didn't know she was my daughter and that was important for her self-esteem, of course," Winslet added.

 

She resembles her father and does have a different last name. Still, I would bet that if you googled "Mia Threapleton" a couple of years ago, Kate Winslet's name would have shown up in the results from articles that mentioned her kids. Who knows if casting directors do that sort of research? Sometimes I wonder. That's not to say that Mia can't be talented in her own right.

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2 hours ago, Dejana said:

Kate Winslet's daughter is 20 and a working actor.

 

 

She resembles her father and does have a different last name. Still, I would bet that if you googled "Mia Threapleton" a couple of years ago, Kate Winslet's name would have shown up in the results from articles that mentioned her kids. Who knows if casting directors do that sort of research? Sometimes I wonder. That's not to say that Mia can't be talented in her own right.

I forgot Kate Winslet was married before Sam Mendes. I thought her first 2 children were with him, but Wikipedia has informed me I was wrong. 

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I am sure that if a casting director wanted to they could figure out who Mia's parents are, but I appreciate that she isn't going to castings with a resume that says "I am Kate Winslet's daughter".

I am sure some kids love the nepotism but I imagine it is hard to know if you got the job based on talent or based on winning the birth lottery when you use mommy or daddy's name to get your foot in the door. 

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1 hour ago, Mabinogia said:

am sure some kids love the nepotism but I imagine it is hard to know if you got the job based on talent or based on winning the birth lottery when you use mommy or daddy's name to get your foot in the door. 

Right. 

Although I'd guess not as many people get roles due to nepotism as we'd think unless their parent is somehow involved in the production or an artist is close with that parent--in which case they're likely going to know the child regardless of the last name they're using.

The one advantage Mia does have is that she was likely able to get a respectable agent through her mom and she knows the ins and outs of the business that many newbies don't have. 

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21 hours ago, Dejana said:

With a different last name, Winslet said Threapleton's Hollywood connection was undetected and she landed her first role on her own.

 And yet her Instagram is under MiaThreapletonWinslet. 

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2 hours ago, Razzberry said:

 And yet her Instagram is under MiaThreapletonWinslet. 

I looked up that account. I'm not sure it's official and isn't just some random fan of hers or Kate's who took up the name. It doesn't look like the Instagram you'd expect a young working actor to have.

I see that articles from 2019 about Mia's movie mentioned her parentage, at least in passing, so Kate's recent comments aren't quite the revelation the headlines are making it out to be.

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No offense but Kate...nobody is buying it. I hate when actors/celebs go on about how they/their kids made it in the business without help, or the old "if anything I had it harder" crap. No you didn't.

Mia's IMDB has exactly two credits, this new film and a 2014 film literally starring Kate. And Kate's aready giving interviews now to ensure that any casting director will easily know that Mia is her kid.

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