S02.E06: Who are You?

[raven]

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A member of the group becomes the target of an investigation. While some grow further apart, others begin to grow closer.

AMC+ airdate: 2021.10.31 AMC airdate: 2021.11.07

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[Mr. Sparkle]

For the love of all that's holy, who decided to give Jadis the worst haircut in the entire world? Basically the "Moe from the Three Stooges." 

[Smad]

1 hour ago, Superclam said:

For the love of all that's holy, who decided to give Jadis the worst haircut in the entire world? Basically the "Moe from the Three Stooges." 

Worst haircut but best iteration of the character IMO. Granted I dropped off the show by S7 so my Anne/Jadis exposure is limited. But getting an explanation for the weirdness of the junkyard people was overdue. Interesting that it's similar to Ezekiel's act as King of the Kingdom. Also nice to see her admit that she lost everything because she made the wrong alliances. I really have no idea where she stands after her loaded talk with Huck but I consider that a good thing.

Iris is going to get everyone killed. Which is long overdue as everyone should have died from her brilliant plan to go into a giant tire fire. And all her other dumbass decisions really. She doesn't listen and she goes against everyone else's plans because she cares about nothing but herself and her revenge. Apparently the safety and lives of her family and friends means nothing to her. I wore the same expression as Leo and Hope during the dinner scene and wish they had gotten Iris away from the table sooner. I'm with Hope in that, yes there are bad people in the CR (mainly the CRM higher ups) but not all of them are evil and what the CR is trying to accomplish in itself isn't a bad thing. But Iris doesn't care, like a petulant, idiot child she just wants to see it all burn. Her plan would even go beyond just the CR. They are producing live saving medicine as well which is what Indira depends on. Sure Iris doesn't know about that but honestly, I think that even if she did, she wouldn't care. Percy is just like Iris which does not bode well.

Felix makes for a good contrast in that regard. He was forced to work with and trust Huck in this episode. And even though he would love to kill her, he understands there is a bigger picture here and Huck is one of their only 'inside people'. He's able to put the personal aside for now because they have to be smart and play their cards right.

[Mr. Sparkle]

Any Jadis is better than the original Jadis & family, which was one of the worst TWD storylines, IMO. It seems the story is finally picking up, but there are only 4 episodes left. Which means they'll either cram everything into the last few episodes, or they'll leave out anything interesting for the Rick Movies That Are Totally Coming Out. Either way, this series is largely a waste, and could've been done in maybe 5 episodes. 

23 hours ago, Smad said:

ris is going to get everyone killed. Which is long overdue as everyone should have died from her brilliant plan to go into a giant tire fire. And all her other dumbass decisions really. She doesn't listen and she goes against everyone else's plans because she cares about nothing but herself and her revenge. Apparently the safety and lives of her family and friends means nothing to her. I wore the same expression as Leo and Hope during the dinner scene and wish they had gotten Iris away from the table sooner. I'm with Hope in that, yes there are bad people in the CR (mainly the CRM higher ups) but not all of them are evil and what the CR is trying to accomplish in itself isn't a bad thing. But Iris doesn't care, like a petulant, idiot child she just wants to see it all burn.

Totally. Don't listen to all the adults or even the smarter kids. Just burn the whole place down on your own. 

[BasilSeal]

On 11/3/2021 at 3:57 PM, Superclam said:

Totally. Don't listen to all the adults or even the smarter kids. Just burn the whole place down on your own. 

Yeah, there appear to be loads of innocent people living in the research base, not to mention what will happen to the outlier community that has been hosting them.

Then again Professor Earnest Dad's new squeeze has gone full on Dr Mengele in the basement, and they did kill 100K survivors in Omaha and may well be planning a similar trick with Portland, so there is that.

 

[Smad]

3 hours ago, BasilSeal said:

Yeah, there appear to be loads of innocent people living in the research base, not to mention what will happen to the outlier community that has been hosting them.

The Perimeter community is done. Indira just lost one of her kids because I bet their 'Gregory' let the CRM know what was up after he lost the vote. So either CRM will wipe them out or they destroy each other via infighting.

3 hours ago, BasilSeal said:

Then again Professor Earnest Dad's new squeeze has gone full on Dr Mengele in the basement, and they did kill 100K survivors in Omaha and may well be planning a similar trick with Portland, so there is that.

IMO one has to differentiate between CR and CRM. Iris just throws them all together into one blender. I still don't know what to make of Lyla to be honest. I understand the desperation she had to save her husband and kid. But how does 'doing everything to stop the virus (or whatever it is) and save the most amount of lives' square with developing a chemical weapon that can kill thousands in one go? Does she honestly not know what the CRM is doing with it? I'm still missing quite a bit of info.

[Mr. Sparkle]

58 minutes ago, Smad said:

The Perimeter community is done. Indira just lost one of her kids because I bet their 'Gregory' let the CRM know what was up after he lost the vote. So either CRM will wipe them out or they destroy each other via infighting.

Yeah, they had "doom" written all over them since they first appeared. I had a strong feeling that kid was going to die too, and I got that one right. 

[heisenberg]

I have finally binged the serie and finished it yesterday.  It is even worst than what I expected...  Bad acting, bad casting, bad writing, bad plot to the point I don't even know why they are doing what they are doing, bad haircut, etc... 

I did it to be up to date with the whole story but with what is left I guess it will be an ending like "Lost",  most of what is going on will be left on the table.

Edited November 5, 2021 by heisenberg
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[heisenberg]

CRM Base security:

[BasilSeal]

34 minutes ago, Smad said:

I understand the desperation she had to save her husband and kid. But how does 'doing everything to stop the virus (or whatever it is) and save the most amount of lives' square with developing a chemical weapon that can kill thousands in one go? Does she honestly not know what the CRM is doing with it? I'm still missing quite a bit of info.

Stretching a bit here but is the chemical weapon some sort of zombie suppressant intended to prevent the reanimation of the dead? It would sort of explain why they would kill a load of people in order to see if their new formula worked in the field. also when Lyla says she knows she 'only has one chance left'. is this because they only have one more ally to commit genocide on? The flaw with this is that surely they'd make sure it worked on individual test subjects before going for the full field trial but the writers on TWD aren't renowned for their leaps of logic so, you know.

I'm also curious When Lyla says she did 'terrible things' to try and save her daughter and husband, what she as a scientist thought would work to make dead people alive again.

12 hours ago, heisenberg said:

I guess it will be an ending like "Lost",  most of what is going on will be left on the table.

Looks like it. The CRM base they're focussing on is just a satellite base conducting the dodgy research, even if they somehow succeed in destroying this base then the CR and it's secret city will still be out there and the wider plot of the conflict between the military and civilian leadership will still be out there and will no doubt form the basis for TRMWADGTH.

[Smad]

10 hours ago, BasilSeal said:

Stretching a bit here but is the chemical weapon some sort of zombie suppressant intended to prevent the reanimation of the dead? It would sort of explain why they would kill a load of people in order to see if their new formula worked in the field. also when Lyla says she knows she 'only has one chance left'. is this because they only have one more ally to commit genocide on? The flaw with this is that surely they'd make sure it worked on individual test subjects before going for the full field trial but the writers on TWD aren't renowned for their leaps of logic so, you know.

That's the question isn't it? I can't conclude anything because we lack info. It's also majorly stupid to do such a large scale attack if you aren't sure it's going to work. Normally you would test on one until it works. Then test on different ages and ethnic groups. Then you widen it to a small group. And only then do you do full scale. But if it was a zombie suppressant, you'd think they would make it less lethal to the human. The Omaha security guard we saw in episode one had chemical burns on him. I still think the cure research is one thing and this chemical weapon another.

[OoohMaggie]

I actually watched it through with only once resorting to the FF button, a vast improvement it must be said. What a difference an enjoyable character can make, old Jadis certainly adds a certain something 😈

[OoohMaggie]

On 11/6/2021 at 9:08 AM, BasilSeal said:

Stretching a bit here but is the chemical weapon some sort of zombie suppressant intended to prevent the reanimation of the dead?

I could well be wrong but a week or three ago, didn’t they say that what they were trying to create was meant to rapidly increase the rate of Walker decomposition?

A job which would normally be handled with ease by Freddie the Fly and Robbie the Rat, two species which alas also fell prey to Kirkman’s Zombie inducing Space Spores ☄️

[Iguessnot]

I'm shallow, but can they please provide that poor child with the proper undergarment to alleviate her constant wedgie?

Please, just shoot Iris now.

Why are these recently captured people allowed to roam unsupervised through the compound?