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S02.E12: Inverting the Pyramid of Success


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16 hours ago, norcalgal said:

I only watch the Premier League, not Championship.  Does the Championship not use VAR?

I’m not certain but I think the teams that end up in 3rd and 4th place in the Championship play a 2-leg playoff to see who gets promoted to the Premier League…?

The championship does not use VAR at the present time & is unlikely to due to the costs involved. What it does use is goal line technology so that the ref knows when the ball has crossed the line.

Top 2 in the championship are promoted and then 3rd plays 6th and 4th plays 5th over 2 legs, the winners of these games then play a 1 game playoff and the winner is promoted along with 1st & 2nd. This also happens in leagues 1 & 2 which are the next 2 leagues & after that is non league football from which one team is promoted into league 2 and the bottom team in league 2 is demoted to non league football.

My team (Cardiff City) that I have supported for over 40 years are in the championship and ESPN+ has some of their games on as well as others in the leagues below premiership.

Hope that makes sense & helps.

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5 hours ago, Welshman in Ca said:

The championship does not use VAR at the present time & is unlikely to due to the costs involved. What it does use is goal line technology so that the ref knows when the ball has crossed the line.

Top 2 in the championship are promoted and then 3rd plays 6th and 4th plays 5th over 2 legs, the winners of these games then play a 1 game playoff and the winner is promoted along with 1st & 2nd. This also happens in leagues 1 & 2 which are the next 2 leagues & after that is non league football from which one team is promoted into league 2 and the bottom team in league 2 is demoted to non league football.

My team (Cardiff City) that I have supported for over 40 years are in the championship and ESPN+ has some of their games on as well as others in the leagues below premiership.

Hope that makes sense & helps.

Thanks for this.

P.S.  I hope Wales qualifies for the World Cup. I'd like Gareth Bale et al. to experience World Cup footie.

 

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On 12/9/2021 at 4:52 PM, ahisma said:

The official rule of offside is that there needs to be two defenders (goalkeeper counts as one) between the attacker and the goal at the moment the ball is passed, not when it is received. So yes, you can dash past the defenders to get to a pass. The linesmen for your travel soccer games are terrible, unless there are special kid rules.

(No penalty called if other team was the one who passed it, if you are even with but not past the defender, if you are just standing offside but don’t get involved in the play, or during throw-in, corner kick, or penalty kick.)

I appreciate why Ted finds this confusing. American football rules can be confusing too, but it’s what he grew up with.

I liked the parallels between Keeley and Nate’s professional journeys. Keeley becomes besties with her mentor and leaves on good terms while Nate burns bridges.  I will reserve judgment on whether Nate deserves to be redeemed until next season.

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Nate: What in the Dr. Evil villain henchman heck was that up close and personal with the camera?

I couldn't help it - I laughed like a loon. I'm not sure that the character can be redeemed but I'm curious to see how they try it.

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I've re-watched both seasons so many times, I can't believe I missed, in the last shot of season two, when Nate is staring into the camera, with his now totally gray hair, you actually see the light go out of his eyes.  It's very creepy, once you see it.  

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Having rewatched, I honestly don't find Nate's arc believable. They've written in his growing insecurities and lashing out, his cruelty and pettiness. I see that. But the explosion at the end and tearing up the Believe sign...I don't buy THIS level of anger and entitlement. They all "believe" in his play, stick with his play, and win with his play, and that's when he tears up the sign and explodes? I don't get it. It doesn't feel like a real person to me.

It pains me to see Keeley not take two weeks with Roy. She's launching a business that she will be putting first for the foreseeable future, so a small break before starting would have made sense for both of them. However, they wrote it so she was already a week in -- and presumably has deals/contacts already in the pipeline she can't disappear on --so it's baked into the story that the ship has sailed. The bigger issue to me is she doesn't WANT to. As the founder of a company that barely exists yet, she could have waited a month to dig in. She just doesn't want to. She'd rather get to work. That's her choice, but if I were Roy I'd wonder where I fit.

Roy and Beard being communication soul mates cracks me up. They get each other.

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1 hour ago, snarktini said:

They all "believe" in his play, stick with his play, and win with his play, and that's when he tears up the sign and explodes? I don't get it. It doesn't feel like a real person to me.

I think it’s because he publicly wanted them to abandon it because he told them to their faces they weren’t good enough to follow his plan.  Once they won he couldn’t really take credit for it and celebrate his own brilliance because they all knew he was trying to change strategies midstream.  The players might mention him in their interviews, but they will heap praise on Roy and Ted for trusting them enough to let them decide.  He didn’t Believe and rather than admit that he has decided it’s everyone else’s fault and Believe is stupid.

Also, I think the ex has already gotten into his head with all the ways he is being held back by Ted and how much he deserves to be head coach.

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1 hour ago, Crs97 said:

I think it’s because he publicly wanted them to abandon it because he told them to their faces they weren’t good enough to follow his plan.  Once they won he couldn’t really take credit for it and celebrate his own brilliance because they all knew he was trying to change strategies midstream.  The players might mention him in their interviews, but they will heap praise on Roy and Ted for trusting them enough to let them decide.  He didn’t Believe and rather than admit that he has decided it’s everyone else’s fault and Believe is stupid.

Also, I think the ex has already gotten into his head with all the ways he is being held back by Ted and how much he deserves to be head coach.

I think his insecurities made him believe they kept calling it his play when it didn’t seem to be working so they could blame him when it failed.  Ultimately it didn’t fail, but he has worked himself into a lather that they were hoping for him to fail because now that Roy is coaching he isn’t needed any more.   So, in the end, he left them before they could fire him…and now he is dedicated to avenging the slight that happened only in his head…egged on by Rupert, of course, who will eventually really turn on him. 

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23 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

So, in the end, he left them before they could fire him…and now he is dedicated to avenging the slight that happened only in his head…egged on by Rupert, of course, who will eventually really turn on him. 

Exactly.  And now that he has him, he will treat him probably much like his father treats him, which is what he was projecting on to Ted.  He ran away from where it wasn't happening, to be in a position where it - one way or another - most definitely will.

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On 12/2/2021 at 4:30 PM, ItsHelloPattiagain said:

I kept thinking of Roy reading the book while Keeley was trying to work.  Imagine six weeks of that. 

Other than when Roy was exclaiming out loud about the book I didn’t understand what the issue was with him reading in the same room as her.

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Can't deny it's a sticky wicket, but not completely abandoning a Nate redemption since the writers did pretty masterful redemption arcs for Rebecca and Jaime. Could have put icing on the cake if they threw in a line of Jaime being one of the league leaders in assists, both as a silent middle finger to his Dad and a further example that Ted's lesson of making the extra pass got through to him.  

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Whew!
For me, this is the first show that has equaled Breaking Bad with regards to writing, casting, characterization, cohesiveness, quality, etc.

Except, I do have to wonder if Nate was always going to break bad, or if that was added between seasons 1 & 2. I haven't yet read interviews because I wanted to watch the series unspoiled, and just got access to it recently. 

I just really, really want to repair the torn Believe poster, but even though I could make at least as good as new, it wouldn't repair Ted's despair about having been accused of hurting Nate the way Ted's own father's suicide hurt him. 
Likely Rupert managed to steal Dr. Sharon's notes regarding Ted's  father and feed them to Nate, right?
But, if so, Ted probably figured that out, right?
And likely Rupert's money paid for Nate's suit, right? 

Biggest fear: Billionaire Akufo will harm Sam's family.

I am so glad that, unlike in Breaking Bad, in Ted Lasso good will triumph over evil in a heart warming way.

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7 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I do have to wonder if Nate was always going to break bad, or if that was added between seasons 1 & 2.

Interesting question. The seeds were planted in s1 that Nate could be a spiteful, petty tyrant. But overall his storyline looked like “ignored low-level worker gets recognized.” If the show hadn’t been renewed, it would have ended on that heartwarming note.

It’s hard to say whether the writers were conscious of the potential Nate story from the start or whether they dug around to look for conflict to deepen the storylines for s2-3 (Nate’s spite and Ted’s relentless cheer masking his pain, on top of more Rupert machinations). 

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11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Except, I do have to wonder if Nate was always going to break bad, or if that was added between seasons 1 & 2. I haven't yet read interviews because I wanted to watch the series unspoiled, and just got access to it recently. 

 

Here's an interview with Nick Mohammed you might be interested in. He says he was told early on in season one that the character may go in this direction, and an interesting bit on Nate's motives in the gala episode in light of the direction the story was going.

https://www.vulture.com/article/nick-mohammed-ted-lasso-season-2-nate-interview.html

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