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S11.E03: Sutton's Gotta Give

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1 hour ago, Hiyo said:

I always thought LVP quit because the others were calling her out for her bullshit and she just couldn't take it being called out for it. And ran away from having to deal with that (Throw me to the wolves, and I run away with my tail between my legs).

I hear ya to a degree. There were times LVP drove me crazy because she was so bad dealing with confrontations, but I still thought the way the others treated her was OTT. 

41 minutes ago, Feline Goddess said:

I thought she'd be a snobby bitch, but so far I'm finding Kathy surprisingly refreshing. She doesn't mind looking a hot mess on camera ... wild hair, stains on her top, etc and eating snacks in bed. I think she wandered onto the wrong show. 

I'm loving her so far. I love how relaxed she is. I'm another night owl who snacks in bed late. It's kind of funny to watch a rich lady eat junk food like that. I love how she politely explained her daughter was shy when Garcelle asked why she'd show up to events and just be on her phone. She seems very nice and laidback so far. Maybe she's actually the good one? lol

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I think Kathy might work better in smaller doses as a Friend of. She doesn't need a full diamond.

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7 hours ago, blixie said:

I completely get why Crystal and everyone else is exhausted by Sutton's insecurities/awkwardness, but it's what makes her weirdly interesting Housewife. And while her White Woman Tears are as predictable AF, and she should rightfully be called out for it,  I think it's just as melodramatic and not particularly enlightened to call her out in front of everyone for her essential personality, and bitch to her friend using the C word. I relate a lot to Sutton, and we're the same age, I've been there even in adulthood where I think everyone was talking to each other and NOT me, that never feels good, no matter if it's a joke or not. And she was right the only one besides her that wasn't in on the joke was Kyle, and that has to do more with Kyle's complete self absorption/obliviousness, rather than her not feeling left out. 

Meanwhile I'm totally enjoying Kathy Hilton's obliviousness, she's on the other end of Sutton, extremely secure in her social status relative to this group of women, she's having a lot of fun, and I relate to deciding to eat chips and crack a red bull at 1am when I should be going to sleep, always been a night owl.  

The best of the night goes to the editors/producers for correcting Crystal's insistence Sutton is 20 years older than her to 12 years. LOL. 

The fact that we're stuck with Erika/Rinna and have no Denise still sucks, but I'm here for Garcelle just holding Rinna to absolute account as a disloyal bitch who will throw a long close friendship in the trash for a single seasons worth of reality tv drama. Get her Garcelle.

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5 hours ago, Door County Cherry said:

On a lighter note, it cracks me up that Lisa and Garcelle are usually the two people who are punctual and on time and therefore get stuck together even with the issues between them waiting for the others.   "Look at that beam."  Heh.

 

So funny. I love this small talk.
 

It’s like they smoked marijuana.

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Well I'm checking out of this show for awhile. This used to be somewhat entertaining and an escape from bullshit. Now I see it's just another weak show that has nothing to offer but arguments about race. 

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4 hours ago, Hiyo said:

I think Kathy might work better in smaller doses as a Friend of. She doesn't need a full diamond.

I think she lives a very unhealthy lifestyle, up all night and sleeps most of the day...so rude to go to Kyle's room, eat chips, read the paper, and drink a Red Bull, (she knew what it was when she got it), she kept Kyle up half the night.  Also, when Kyle went in to check on Kathy and Kathy was so rude to Kyle!  It must be exhausting to be Kathy's sister, I see why Kyle is like she is, Kathy must be a lot like Big Kathy.

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8 hours ago, Door County Cherry said:

That prank and reverse prank was everything a prank should be.  Regardless of what Sutton was saying or felt, it was a victimless prank.  It was light hearted.  In the end, the target was the original prankster.  

Not everyone knew at the same time.  When it came around to informing Sutton, instead of getting excited she was let in on the joke, she chose to play victim for not being informed sooner. And she blamed Crystal, the person who informed her. 

Sutton may be awkward but her tears were manipulative and they were aimed directly at the person of color who dared to think Sutton capable of being racist, saying something racist or believing something racist.  She even said that "the word racist" was the worst thing ever...worse than COVID.  I thought calling it a "word" instead of referring to the system of racism was so interesting. She's not just a "I don't see color" kind of person; she's arguably something worse.  She's a "being called a racist is worse than racism" kind of person. 

Weaponizing tears to look like the victim is a technique as old as time and she uses it because it works.  Even Kyle was susceptible to it when she said that she felt Crystal was being hard on Sutton.  I disagree.  I think Crystal gave Sutton multiple chances.  She was going to explain why "I see color" was outdated but Kyle and Sutton talked over her before Kyle, finally, told Crystal she'd let her speak.  

The next day, Crystal tried to have a conversation with Sutton about it and Sutton still made it about her.  

Crystal tried to let Sutton in on the prank so she wouldn't be left out and, instead of appreciating the effort, she was mad at her.  

She's trying to make it seem like she's a victim to Crystal's bullying so if Crystal ever tries insinuating that Sutton might unintentionally buy into a racist system again, it'll be dismissed as part of a bullying pattern instead of identifying something that might have a kernel of truth to it. 

All Sutton needed to do is actually listen to Crystal instead of acting defensive.  That's how you show you can be a mature woman about racial issues. 

On a lighter note, it cracks me up that Lisa and Garcelle are usually the two people who are punctual and on time and therefore get stuck together even with the issues between them waiting for the others.   "Look at that beam."  Heh.

 

I agree! 

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I don’t understand Sutton’s assessment that she has to fight to prove she’s not racist, unless she’s showing racist tendencies. I was raised in the heart of the Bible Belt and the racist around there are like Mario after he eats the mushroom, so I know them well. With that said, I don’t feel that all white people have to show me they’re not racist, because I don’t assume all are. I would, however, wonder why you’re trying to prove it and then that would lead me to think more of it. If she can’t be herself and not feel like she looks racist, then that says a lot. 

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When it came around to informing Sutton, instead of getting excited she was let in on the joke, she chose to play victim for not being informed sooner. And she blamed Crystal, the person who informed her. 

Maybe she was pissed Crystal figured it out without being told? Either that or Kyle, Rinna, and the others started ganging up on Sutton already and one of them informed Crystal telepathically about it all, you know, just to keep her in the Mean Girls Loop.

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Rinna looked cute in the confessionals.

I don’t know if this has already been mentioned, but Kathy gives me Caitlyn. Every time I look at her, I see Caitlyn with softer features.

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8 hours ago, Thumper said:

Watching now.  Dorit proclaiming she is a “child of the world,” which makes her SO much above anything racist, you know.  Ugh.

Did you see Erika's eyes when Dorit said that!  She was stifling a major eye roll, I was hoping she would have chimed in "You are from Connecticut!"  I have traveled to a lot of countries too but that hardly makes me a child of the world, Dorit's photo was a tourist photo of her holding up the Leaning Tower of Pisa in 1992, Dorit is laughable.  How does any of her travels reduce her chances of being a racist? LOL.

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Just finished and Crystal’s assessment was/is spot on. Also as a font said upthread Sutton was the perfect example of white fragility. She jumped into victim mode very quick. 

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I'm sorry but Lisa V was just as big of a bully as the rest of these ladies till it got turned on her ... she was no Angel

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3 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

So funny. I love this small talk.
 

It’s like they smoked marijuana.

How did you just watch N.Y. and already you are on here?  After the N.Y. disaster, I had to take to the bed .. not kidding.  I love the way these housewives eat .. their lips do not touch the food.  Such a hardship.  I guess Connecticut Dorit became British.  What a crock.

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14 minutes ago, JennyMominFL said:

FUCK Sutton and her “ i dont see race” . POC dont have the privilege to not see race. They have to. Their lives an bodily autonomy depend on it

Bingo

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I was a bit taken aback to see them filmed in the morning minus makeup or glam squads, kind of a la RHONY.  And EATING breakfast... except I did notice Rinna’s plate was clean and empty.  The food always looks SO delicious and so much is left untouched.  Hopefully the camera crew get to enjoy the leftovers.

Maybe it’s just me, but I’m hoping the race thing isn’t going to be the main drama theme for the HW franchises this summer.

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Rinna looked really cute with the pink coat in the confessional 

Crystal saying something like "I donate clothes that cost that much"  (when they were talking about the $2k slippers)  Girl.....shut up.  

Dorit - "Its easier to list the countries I haven't been to"  STFU

If you have to have a sit down to explain a prank its not funny.  Oh we don't say "punked" anymore.  

Erica knowing where all the criminal lives was foreshadowing to me.  Are her and Tom scoping out real estate there? 

Like I've said in other HW's pages -- I'm giving all the shows a covid pass because there really isn't much they can film.  

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7 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Crystal saying something like "I donate clothes that cost that much"  (when they were talking about the $2k slippers)  Girl.....shut up.  

I thought she said she donates things like those slippers because they were so ugly...I know I would!

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I'm giving all the shows a covid pass because there really isn't much they can film.  

The international travel porn is where we are missing out on the most.

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3 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

The international travel porn is where we are missing out on the most.

I was wistfully remembering their trip to Rome last season, aside from the beat down Denise took it was a great trip to watch.  

 

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This show has had some great vacation trips. Rome, London, Hong Kong, Berlin, Amsterdam, Puerto Rico...even the side or smaller trips to places like Tokyo, Greece, NYC, the Hamptons, etc offer great vacation porn.

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Sutton is such an unbelieveable fragile asshole.  A redneck hick is a bias, you do not get targeted and murdered from being from the South, Sutton, so STFU. 

I can't wait to see the episode where Erika tells her this and she whimpers back "but nothing".   If the women on the show aren't going to hold her accountable I say let social media tear her ass apart.   Kyle looks horrible trying to defend her and then kind of back tracking on her converation with Garcelle.   Can someone please explain microagressions to Kyle because she doesn't get it.

Fuck Sutton and her money getting to cry and be pampered while others suffer.  She does not deserve the life she has.  It makes me so mad. Buck tooth, bitch.

On the other hand how did Kathy get her amazing life?   It sounds like she drifted through life as a teen with her rich family and then met Rick and got to continue to sleep in, have everyting done for her.  She is very chill so I don't mind, just wonder how some people just have these opulent lifestyles and opportunities. 

 

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Dorit traveled the world, saw everything and ended up with PK.  LOL!  I also doubt that she mixed with the locals or people of color.  She probably told her chauffeur to be careful and not hit any of the poor street dwellers when she graced these countries with her presence.  That's her idea of showing she cares.  God knows she wasn't fighting for animal rights  in these places like her former friend LVP.   She's a joke.

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4 minutes ago, truthaboutluv said:

Except Krystal did not call Sutton a racist on national television. She was having a conversation with Kyle, Sutton chose to insert herself into it by snapping rudely that this is where she doesn't want to go, she will not speak about race, etc. Krystal kept calmly trying to get her point across while Sutton was all "that's not me.  I don't think about race", which is when Krystal asked her if she's that person, who claims to "not see race". Sutton made that conversation uncomfortable when it wasn't, she became aggressive and then when Krystal pushed back even the slightest, she resorted to her white woman's victim tears. 

I'll have to rewatch the scene again then!  Admittedly, I was multi-tasking while it was on. Thanks for that.

Doing the rewatch now of this episode and I see that Crystal explained it well and apologized for the way she came at it so right -- seemingly Sutton should've been over that "you're one of those girls" (which is what I reacted to). 

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14 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

I hate pranks. They only serve to make the people not in on the joke feel/look stupid. And, if I'd been in a producer driven fight with someone, I wouldn't want them to kick me either.

Doesn't mean Sutton didn't over react.

Haven't watched yet.  Sling was being a bastard last night.  Anyhoo, I hate pranks as well.  I don't like making anyone uncomfortable or watching anyone uncomfortable.  

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54 minutes ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

Sutton is such an unbelieveable fragile asshole.  A redneck hick is a bias, you do not get targeted and murdered from being from the South, Sutton, so STFU. 

I can't wait to see the episode where Erika tells her this and she whimpers back "but nothing".   If the women on the show aren't going to hold her accountable I say let social media tear her ass apart.   Kyle looks horrible trying to defend her and then kind of back tracking on her converation with Garcelle.   Can someone please explain microagressions to Kyle because she doesn't get it.

Fuck Sutton and her money getting to cry and be pampered while others suffer.  She does not deserve the life she has.  It makes me so mad. Buck tooth, bitch.

On the other hand how did Kathy get her amazing life?   It sounds like she drifted through life as a teen with her rich family and then met Rick and got to continue to sleep in, have everyting done for her.  She is very chill so I don't mind, just wonder how some people just have these opulent lifestyles and opportunities. 

 

I was curious about her too and did a one second google on her.  I never knew that she and Kyle and half sisters (Kim is Kyle's full sister)  and Kathy's dad was of Italian decent.  

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I'm a real wuss too b/c I would've been Sutton on the railway and freaking out about how fast we were going! If I were by myself doing it, no, but with people, yikes!  i would've had an anxiety attack!

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Also loved Garcelle talking about how much Paris Hilton drove her nuts.  

Hope she takes on Paris' use of the N-word too.

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She's within her rights to feel how she likes about Paris but there was really no need to bring it up in a conversation with her mother. I mean it's the woman's child for crying out loud. 

It was weird. It felt like she wanted to gossip about Paris with Paris's own mom.

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2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I thought she said she donates things like those slippers because they were so ugly...I know I would!

yea thats how i took it that she donates things that look like those slippers

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2 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

I was a bit taken aback to see them filmed in the morning minus makeup or glam squads, kind of a la RHONY.

I'm chalking it up to Covid: everyone , including film crew staying in the woods of Tahoe.   While leaving for dinner they were complementing each other on their appearance and Kyle said something like  she "didn't remember it (looking camera ready) being so hard" and I could totally relate.  Not the camera ready, but doing hair/makeup and putting on clothes that weren't yoga pants and running shoes, lol.   Another side effect of a year of Covid. 

 

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2 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

Erica knowing where all the criminal lives was foreshadowing to me.

Yep.  That wasn't as random as it seemed, lol.   Or how about her telling everyone Tom brought home MORTONS every night for three months!?  Wow. 

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1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Haven't watched yet.  Sling was being a bastard last night.  Anyhoo, I hate pranks as well.  I don't like making anyone uncomfortable or watching anyone uncomfortable.  

I'm normally not a big fan of pranks or practical jokes, but this was both well-executed and about as victimless a prank as one can find. Plus, the fact is that it became a double prank (with Kathy and Dorit seemingly pranking all of the women, then Erika and Rinna figuring it out and pulling the prank back on Kathy and Dorit). There was nothing malicious and no intent to keep it from Sutton, she's just so fragile and insecure that she turned it into an issue about being kept out of it.  As someone else noted, Kyle was also unaware of what was going on but didn't feel the need to turn it into drama. 

7 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

Yep.  That wasn't as random as it seemed, lol.   Or how about her telling everyone Tom brought home MORTONS every night for three months!?  Wow. 

That's a case where I felt like editing wanted us to hear it. In other words, in other seasons, maybe the editors wouldn't have included it (mostly because who cares - yes, we know you are rich). But obviously they are setting up the Erika plot line by making sure to include those comments. 

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10 hours ago, Hangin Out said:

How did you just watch N.Y. and already you are on here?  After the N.Y. disaster, I had to take to the bed .. not kidding.  I love the way these housewives eat .. their lips do not touch the food.  Such a hardship.  I guess Connecticut Dorit became British.  What a crock.

Hee! No, NY wiped me out, too. I am very much behind. Shell-shocked. But they also give me purpose because they are SO MESSED UP. They are practically a different species. I like to think I’m indulging my inner anthropologist. And your posts educate me so much that I feel like a countess.

They flippin’ apply lipstick or gloss right before a lunch date begins.

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11 hours ago, Hiyo said:
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but we've seen the way some of the others treated Denise and LVP. Those two both have very strong self-esteem and are very confident socially. They were still picked on to the point of tears and wanted out.

I always thought LVP quit because the others were calling her out for her bullshit and she just couldn't take it being called out for it. And ran away from having to deal with that (Throw me to the wolves, and I run away with my tail between my legs).

100% agree

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Kyle sure got her new nose out of joint when Garcelle talked about Paris.   Kyle is such a delicate little flower.  What Garcelle said was nothing, no big deal, Kyle's family wasn't insulted. These Beverly Hills ladies wouldn't last a day with the other franchises.  Oh they're nasty, especially when they gang up on someone, but without their pack, they are pretty wimpy.

 

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8 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I'm normally not a big fan of pranks or practical jokes, but this was both well-executed and about as victimless a prank as one can find. Plus, the fact is that it became a double prank (with Kathy and Dorit seemingly pranking all of the women, then Erika and Rinna figuring it out and pulling the prank back on Kathy and Dorit). There was nothing malicious and no intent to keep it from Sutton, she's just so fragile and insecure that she turned it into an issue about being kept out of it.  As someone else noted, Kyle was also unaware of what was going on but didn't feel the need to turn it into drama. 

That's a case where I felt like editing wanted us to hear it. In other words, in other seasons, maybe the editors wouldn't have included it (mostly because who cares - yes, we know you are rich). But obviously they are setting up the Erika plot line by making sure to include those comments. 

Good to know!  Sutton is turning out to be quite touchy.

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It was interesting that Garcelle brought up the Paris Hilton always on her phone thing, and Kathy and Kyle explained the reason why, when I could swear I saw articles addressing that very topic a few months ago. In fact it could very well have been right around the time this was filmed. Did Kyle and Kathy give Paris a heads up that it had been put out there in front of TV cameras, and the family decided to get ahead of it?

I still can't get over Sutton attempting to spin the double-prank into a mean girls exclusion thing, particularly when the queen bee of the show wasn't in on the joke either.

Lisa and Garcelle commented they're always on time because they had to be, as actors. So what's Kyle's or former model Door-it's excuse?

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1 hour ago, Boo Boo said:

I'm a real wuss too b/c I would've been Sutton on the railway and freaking out about how fast we were going! If I were by myself doing it, no, but with people, yikes!  i would've had an anxiety attack!

I thought that railway activity seemed not fun and combined boring rollercoaster with exercise. 

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39 minutes ago, watcherwoman said:

Kyle sure got her new nose out of joint when Garcelle talked about Paris.   Kyle is such a delicate little flower.  What Garcelle said was nothing, no big deal, Kyle's family wasn't insulted. These Beverly Hills ladies wouldn't last a day with the other franchises.  Oh they're nasty, especially when they gang up on someone, but without their pack, they are pretty wimpy.

 

I thought it was funny when Kyle wanted everyone to know she looks just like her niece.  I suppose they do because of their plastic surgeries.  

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it cracks me up that Lisa and Garcelle are usually the two people who are punctual a

I was thinking this was down to them being actors and having to make call times even with all their glam. But then theres Denise also an actor who was what 2 hours late to her own beachy wedding? LOL.

I think the Sutton/Crystal thing is hard to parse because Sutton's white tears/fragility and bullshit around "racist" was her first impression, but Sutton is also just generally anxious/awkward and FRAGILE about almost EVERYTHING. Her souther belle etiquette shit creates tempest in tea pots constantly, it's the only way she can regain her sense of footing is when she's called out rightfully or not, to just say the person is victimizing her by being inconsiderate/impolite/mean.

But the way the episode played out, was that Crystal seemed to be more intolerant of Sutton's pretty obvious anxiety disorder than she was at the racism, but almost certainly they are interpolated in Crystal's mind, not unjustifiably so. I did love when Sutton insisted that she was an adult woman and even Kyle was like well then ACT like one. I can empathize with that particular insecurity, but as an adult you can't constantly make your own insecurities everyone else's problem.

I do feel like the rest of the cast hasn't forgotten that Sutton/Garcelle were aggressively pro Denise (Dorit was passively so) and while they don't want to fux with Garcelle they are more than happy to do so with Sutton, since this is increasingly productions go to for a storyline on all the Real Housewives franchises.

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5 minutes ago, blixie said:

I do feel like the rest of the cast hasn't forgotten that Sutton/Garcelle were aggressively pro Denise (Dorit was passively so) and while they don't want to fux with Garcelle they are more than happy to do so with Sutton, since this is increasingly productions go to for a storyline on all the Real Housewives franchises.

I'm not sure, only because the only two to have a beef with Sutton so far had been Crystal and Door-it (at least before she made a melodrama out of not being let in on the joke immediately. Now all bets may be off). And I don't think Door-it was ever pro Denise, rather she was anti Brandy (because of the "your tits are fucked up" comment).

I think Sutton and Garcelle could have been deemed targets simply because of their sophomore status, but I could see the other women being spooked into leaving Garcelle alone considering all that's transpired since last summer.

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How does any of her travels reduce her chances of being a racist? LOL.

The thing that wasn't even what she was arguing. Dorit was saying she spent so much of her life outside of America she is completely unfamiliar about Southern stereotypes, aka redneck/racist/inbred.....she was actually playing into Sutton's victimhood, and Sutton wasn't hearing it. I love when a group of narcissists get into these kinds of disputes as a way to elevate themselves, instead of centering the issue at hand: being stereotyped as racist isn't the same thing as actually experiencing systemic racism/constant microaggressions as a BIPOC. f

 

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'm not sure, only because the only two to have a beef with Sutton so far had been Crystal and Door-it

Well from trailers we know she's gonna get into it with Erika too (as they have before), I think once Erika's divorce blows up next week that will become the main storyline, but had that NOT happened? I can imagine Sutton is a situation being the main storyline was the plan.

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Will Lisa's lip liner make everyone's lips look like a baboons ass?

I'm beginning to think Kathy is bat shit eccentric, (I would say 'crazy' but only poor people are crazy, rich people are eccentric) but I'm totally here for it.  She put ear drops in her eyes, omg.

Garcelle looks ridiculous in that blue wig, it washes our her color.  She also looks ridiculous in her space cadet outfit with that bun on top of her head, in her talking head.  Whoever is telling her she looks good, really hates her.  I'm starting to find her obnoxious and rude.

Kyles tagline:  “This town is a game of chess, but no one’s taking this queen down.”  Methinks she is giving LVP the bird!

If this is Suttons's season to get hazed, she better buck up.  All the tears and paranoia ain't gonna cut it. 

I already despise Chrystal, just another big mouth know it all.

Just waiting for Ericka to become the focal point, at this point that is all I'm watching for.

 

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