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S02.E04: The Brothers Grimoire

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Wendy and Tommy go through a disastrous series of meetings. Meanwhile, Frederick's old friends from Asgard make an unwelcome visit to Fair Haven; and Dash and Killian receive their inheritance, which yields some interesting results.

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You guys? There is some WEIRD SHIT going on there...

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This show just keeps getting weirder and weirder. I kinda like it, hah!

 

Was that Wendy's paramedic date getting killed and tentacle!attacked at the end?

I can't believe they actually went there with the shapeshifter twins. Twincest!! Wasn't expecting that tonight. I also didn't think the dad was going to die, I thought Joanna would somehow save Victor. 

Are they setting up Dash and Ingrid? Because I think I could see it potentially working. 

 

The tentacle rape with Ingrid and that monster/guy is getting a little uncomfortable and I'd like an explanation for it soon.

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Hey it's Rachel Nichols! The Vancouver casting pool strikes again. I'm bummed about Victor and will definitely dislike the family fallout. I'm shipping Ingrid and Dash so hard, it's ridiculous! There were two moments in this episode I really liked: Freya's twincest reaction and the Gardiner boys acting like kids testing the spell. Egads, imagine them with powers as five year olds!

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Hey it's Rachel Nichols! The Vancouver casting pool strikes again.

Rachel doesn't count, she's an American who just happened to be in Vancouver because her show (Continuum) films there. I was surprised to see her, I follow her on twitter and she didn't mention that she did a guest spot here. I'm guessing she'll show back up, since she didn't expire, unlike her brother-twin.

Which, by the way, was SO messed up. The making out, the thigh-licking? Holy crap, this show. Plus, we had more tentacle rape-sex in the woods. Poor Ingrid. Raped in the woods, yet still manages to save Dash and Killian from their freshman witchie mistakes.

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Up until Mr. Tentacle showed up for that quickie with Ingrid, Dash was doing just fine as a substitute magnet for weird shit (if precisely in that Wendy/Ingrid-ish reckless way).  Ivar lick-healing his sister's wounds notwithstanding, that is.  After that, though--especially at the end of the episode--yeah, we were back to status quo there.  :)

 

I'm kind of bummed Victor is gone, though it certainly serves the narrative.  Frederick may not be evil, but he's got...issues...and now the rest of the Beauchamp clan has a legit reason to distrust him.  And Isis the rat-girl ('cause we already have a cat-girl, badumpcha!) is seemingly our new villain of the piece, let alone the impending you-killed-the-brother-I-was-way-too-close-to thing.  Even if she faintly pimped Joanna as a big bad witch mama, though Joanna probably needed the publicity.

 

And as for Wendy and Tommy: if nothing else the show has me wondering if their date from hell was indeed just coincidental bad timing or if the universe really is out to get him.  Or her for that matter.

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I realize there WAS gratuitous male shirtlessness via tentacle dude. He'd be pretty hot without those scales and tentacles! But I was too busy going "WTF???" to look at his abs. Much.

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Did anyone else get the feeling that the writers for WoEE binge watched Game of Thrones and thought, "Hey this show is very casual with rape and incestuous twins and people love it!  We could totally do that, too!"

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Did anyone else get the feeling that the writers for WoEE binge watched Game of Thrones and thought, "Hey this show is very casual with rape and incestuous twins and people love it!  We could totally do that, too!"

 

I'm guessing that most of this stuff occurred in the Witches of East End books, so not really taken from Game of Thrones, at least not the show, who knows what influenced the writing.

 

So, the tentacled demon/man in the woods feeding off of Ingrid and then killing the guy in the end, that's Freddie, right? With him being there, then not and then attacking the guy in tentacled form? That's how I read it. Makes the Ingrid sex/rape in the woods that much creepier.

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So, the tentacled demon/man in the woods feeding off of Ingrid and then killing the guy in the end, that's Freddie, right? With him being there, then not and then attacking the guy in tentacled form? That's how I read it. Makes the Ingrid sex/rape in the woods that much creepier.

Last week, I would've said no, but since they introduced the other set of twins in all their twincesty glory, I'd say that's as good a theory as any. Ingrid is going to need a lifetime supply of Summer's Eve after this.

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I'm fairly certain we saw Fredrick interacting with other people during the time periods the tentacle-man was seen.  In fact, just before he was killed, the man at the end of the episode bumped into Freddie going the other way and dropped his cell phone.  For tentacle-man to be Freddie, he'd have to have doubled back extremely quickly to again be approaching the man coming from the same direction he had come from before.   So, unless I have that wrong, I think we're being spared incest rape. 

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I'm fairly certain we saw Fredrick interacting with other people during the time periods the tentacle-man was seen.  In fact, just before he was killed, the man at the end of the episode bumped into Freddie going the other way and dropped his cell phone.  For tentacle-man to be Freddie, he'd have to have doubled back extremely quickly to again be approaching the man coming from the same direction he had come from before.   So, unless I have that wrong, I think we're being spared incest rape. 

 

Okay, and I read that the opposite way (though I've admittedly not thought about the other times tentacled man was seen).  At the end of this episode, he was there then not and eyed who he was about to attack and whatever he is in tentacled form isn't remotely human so the vanish and double back followed by the quick strike didn't make me think it wasn't Freddie. It reinforced it when Freddie was suddenly not there after passing the guy he bumped into. Plus, we've also seen in this episode that he can freeze or manipulate time a bit. I really hope you're right though and I'm reading too much into it, I want to be spared incest rape. Things are creepy enough without throwing that in the mix.

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I'm fairly certain we saw Fredrick interacting with other people during the time periods the tentacle-man was seen. 

 

True but since when is continuity this show's strong suit? Or a suit it even owns? Still, I think if Frederick were going to bang one of his sisters it'd be Freya, not Ingrid.

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Still, I think if Frederick were going to bang one of his sisters it'd be Freya, not Ingrid.

Not an option I ever imagined we'd be considering but yeah. If Freddie's going for one of his sisters it's the twin. Ingrid is clearly being set on Dash for now. Oddly, I kind of like them together.

I still don't like Wendy's guy, Tommy (or perhaps I should call him Tammy lol) that typo in the ep description was driving me nuts. I was wracking my brain trying to figure out who the hell Tammy was.

IDK if I'm on the tentacle Freddy train just yet. But then I don't know who else it would be. Unless it's just some random creature from Asgard that came through the portal with Freddie.

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I still don't like Wendy's guy, Tommy (or perhaps I should call him Tammy lol) that typo in the ep description was driving me nuts. I was wracking my brain trying to figure out who the hell Tammy was.

 

Maybe it was just me, but I think Tommy looks too much like Frederick.  When I saw she and Tommy at the bar, I was like: "Why is Wendy on a date with her nephew?" 

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Hey, if they want to go the incest route, I wouldn't say no to a little Wendy Freddie action. Those two had some serious chemistry for me in all their scenes so far.

 

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Wow, I can't believe the show finally found a use for Dash!  I definitely like him more with Ingrid than with Freya.  That said, it kinda bugged me that Ingrid immediately enlisted his aid instead of her family's with her lost time.  I'm sure Dash will sincerely try to help her but if his past record is any indication he might make things worse, and Joanna/Wendy would probably be more helpful. 

 

I'm sorry about Vincent but I won't believe he's actually dead until I see a body.  Lastly, the Freya/Killian dynamic is actually a bigger turnoff for me this season than last, if that is even possible. 

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This show is so batshit crazy that it almost leaves me speechless. Should I be ending every episode saying, "Da fuck?"

 

I kind of like Dash and Ingrid. They both seem type A and can understand each other. They've both had to grow up with much more charismatic siblings showing them up at all times. I love how he is basically like "Boo, you helped me hide a body. That means something!" Those two would bond over accessory to murder.

 

I just need to state that looks-wise, I would take Dash over his brother any day. Eric Winter is ten kinds of hot. I'm not loving his casual use of the "b" word. I may say bitch, but I don't like for men to refer to women as bitches when they are angry. Double standard? I don't care. No more calling Freya a bitch, Dash. Not cool. That being said, I get why he has been acting crazy. But I need him to deescalate now that he has his brother and Ingrid for support. I don't like that stupid prophecy stating that one brother was her soulmate and the other her destruction. How can Dash be fated to be evil? I don't like that.

 

The softcore tentacle porn going on is strange. I can't believe this has found its way into a Lifetime show. Who thought it was a good idea to have this on the show? I can't believe that they thought any one wanted to see Ingrid getting raped in the woods by some blue guy with tentacles. I don't care about the explanation. I just want it to stop. Also, why the hell would she tell Dash and not her family of experienced witches?

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I'm fairly certain we saw Fredrick interacting with other people during the time periods the tentacle-man was seen.  In fact, just before he was killed, the man at the end of the episode bumped into Freddie going the other way and dropped his cell phone.  For tentacle-man to be Freddie, he'd have to have doubled back extremely quickly to again be approaching the man coming from the same direction he had come from before.   So, unless I have that wrong, I think we're being spared incest rape. 

I thought tentacle man followed Freddie around, he wasn't there before Freddie showed up, was he?

 

I'm guessing that most of this stuff occurred in the Witches of East End books, so not really taken from Game of Thrones, at least not the show, who knows what influenced the writing.

 

 

 

Nope, no tentacle man in the books that I can remember.

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I thought tentacle man followed Freddie around, he wasn't there before Freddie showed up, was he?

I don't know if he follows him generally, but he seemed to be following him then and has frequently been where Freddie is/just was. We never saw a hint of tentacle man before Freddie came through, but technically we don't know when he arrived.  Continuing with the assumption that Freddie is not tentacle-man, I think the implication is that he passed through the portal when Freddie came through.  There have been a bunch of references to not being able to open the portals because you don't know what might slip through... well it appears tentacle-man was one of those things.

 

I have a feeling the whole point was to have Freddie blamed for his acts for a bit and that we and the Beauchamps will eventually find out that, while perhaps [read: definitely] shady and fucked up, Freddie is not murderer and may be genuinely trying to reconnect.  If I am wrong and we're being driven towards a confirmation of tentacle rapecest, I may have to say peace out to this ridiculous (turned horrifying) show.

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I don't like that stupid prophecy stating that one brother was her soulmate and the other her destruction. How can Dash be fated to be evil? I don't like that.

 

In fairness, Dash wouldn't have to be evil to bring about Freya's destruction.  For example, we saw in this episode that he nearly killed his brother, not because he wanted to, but because he didn't know what he was doing with a spell. 

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Maybe it was just me, but I think Tommy looks too much like Frederick.  When I saw she and Tommy at the bar, I was like: "Why is Wendy on a date with her nephew?" 

 

It's not just you. I watched the season premiere on a low-res screener and was hopelessly confused on the first go. I don't think they REALLY look much alike, but the dimness of the show (in all senses of the word) makes them too similar.

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Eric Winter is ten kinds of hot.

 

But he's got the dead eyed stare of a serial killer, which makes him perfect if he's in fact supposed to be the Evil Brother (which I think he is, at this point).

 

I saw Rachel Nichols' name in the opening credits and looked for her (I watch Continuum), and totally didn't recognize her until her scene at the bar. 

 

There's something off about the whole "Freya and Ingrid are reborn over and over again" thing. Isis seemed to understand that this was a New Freya, as opposed to the one she knew is Asgard. Well, weren't Ingrid and Freya only cursed after they left Asgard? How does Isis know about the whole being reborn thing?

 

I'm kind of pissed off they killed Victor, I really like Joel Gretch, and he seems to have such bad luck with TV shows.

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I saw Rachel Nichols' name in the opening credits and looked for her (I watch Continuum), and totally didn't recognize her until her scene at the bar. 

It was weird for me too, I recognized her in that she looked familiar but just couldn't place her, then when I saw Rachel Nichols flash up on the screen I was like, holy crap, how did I not INSTANTLY recognize her? I was deeply disappointed in myself. Being able to place actors is like my superpower. Especially Rachel, I've seen her in stuff since her stints on Alias and and The Inside. I once noticed her in an episode of Line of Fire for Pete's sake.

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I saw Rachel Nichols' name in the opening credits and looked for her (I watch Continuum), and totally didn't recognize her until her scene at the bar.

 

It was weird for me too, I recognized her in that she looked familiar but just couldn't place her, then when I saw Rachel Nichols flash up on the screen I was like, holy crap, how did I not INSTANTLY recognize her? I was deeply disappointed in myself. Being able to place actors is like my superpower. Especially Rachel, I've seen her in stuff since her stints on Alias and and The Inside. I once noticed her in an episode of Line of Fire for Pete's sake.

 

And don't forget that she was also Uhura's green-skinned roommate in the J. J. Abrams reboot of Star Trek.

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And don't forget that she was also Uhura's green-skinned roommate in the J. J. Abrams reboot of Star Trek.

Yep, noticed her in that too!

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It was weird for me too, I recognized her in that she looked familiar but just couldn't place her, then when I saw Rachel Nichols flash up on the screen I was like, holy crap, how did I not INSTANTLY recognize her? I was deeply disappointed in myself. Being able to place actors is like my superpower. Especially Rachel, I've seen her in stuff since her stints on Alias and and The Inside. I once noticed her in an episode of Line of Fire for Pete's sake.

To make you feel better, we first saw her in darkness on an already dark show. Plus the hair was a style I hadn't seen her rock ever. IDing actors is my skill too ( I call it pink wedge skillz). I thought the Asgard king last week was Jonathan Banks for a bit. This show is our kryptonite!

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This show is our kryptonite!

I was thinking kryptonite too! It could have also been the scene, because when that dude licked her thigh, all the blood left my brain.

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I am so glad I'm not the only one intrigued by the idea of a Dash/Ingrid pairing and creeped out by the tentacles. This show is so ridiculous sometimes, yet I still watch it every week...

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It's not just you. I watched the season premiere on a low-res screener and was hopelessly confused on the first go. I don't think they REALLY look much alike, but the dimness of the show (in all senses of the word) makes them too similar.

 

I agree.  The darkness of the show, combined with the fact you have two dark haired guys with a somewhat similar look, makes them appear more alike than they probably would look with better lighting. 

 

 

Isis seemed to understand that this was a New Freya, as opposed to the one she knew is Asgard. Well, weren't Ingrid and Freya only cursed after they left Asgard? How does Isis know about the whole being reborn thing?

 

I believe Isis made some comments to Freya about events that the Asgard-version of Freya would have known about, and she put two and two together when Freya reacted to her like she had no idea who Isis was, or what she was talking about.   

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I am so glad I'm not the only one intrigued by the idea of a Dash/Ingrid pairing and creeped out by the tentacles. This show is so ridiculous sometimes, yet I still watch it every week...

I forgot to mention that.  I'm also sort of involuntarily drawn to the Ingrid/Dash pairing.  They have more chemistry with each other than either of them showed with their respective prior pairings.  Though in Dash/EW's defense, I don't know that Dash was meant to have a ton of chemistry with Freya... thought it was better than Killian's none, imo.

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Yeah, with the Rachel Nichols talk, I forgot to mention that I also like Dash with Ingrid.

Which is quite a feat, since I usually don't like pairings where one had previously hooked up with the other's sibling. I find it ooky, you should never be in a relationship where you can say, "That's not how your brother used to do it." It's one of the reasons I didn't like last season's Freya storyline. Lack of chemistry between all of them being the primary one.

But I like the prospect of Dash and Ingrid because I feel it could go either way. They both have dark sides, so they could be bad news for each other. On the other hand, they're both kind of broken and they could help each other purge the crazy.

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"Boo, you helped me hide a body. That means something!

Ha and I kinda loved him for that. Plus I think its been established that Ingrid is the after thought of her family. Notice how nobody called her when her FATHER died. I mean Killian knew before Ingrid.

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I believe Isis made some comments to Freya about events that the Asgard-version of Freya would have known about, and she put two and two together when Freya reacted to her like she had no idea who Isis was, or what she was talking about.

 

I get that, but how does Isis know that Freya is reborn every time she dies? She wasn't cursed until after she left Asgard, so how does Isis know about the curse? I don't think it's an automatic assumption, that if someone doesn't remember something you're referring to in their past, to go "Oh, you must be a newer Freya." That's not a thing with all witches. 

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Ha and I kinda loved him for that. Plus I think its been established that Ingrid is the after thought of her family. Notice how nobody called her when her FATHER died. I mean Killian knew before Ingrid.

The others don't like Ingrid's blonde hair? Or really, it's less that Ingrid is an afterthought and more like they are SO BAD at communication. Seriously, I've never seen such an unwillingness to share information. The enemies on 24 exchange info more than the people on this show.

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It feels like they split Ingrid into another show. There's one show with Joanna/Wendy/Freya/Freddie/Victor, & another with Ingrid/Dash/Tentacle man & Killian gets used wherever it's convenient.

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I missed last week's episode due to satellite issues. I know that Killian doesn't remember what Dash did to him. Does he remember his past with Freya? I was kind of surprised that Dash was calling her a b**** & insulting her, yet no response from Killian in that respect.

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... how does Isis know that Freya is reborn every time she dies? She wasn't cursed until after she left Asgard, so how does Isis know about the curse?

 

I was assuming the timeline went:

 

Twincest, Freya and Fred are friends.

Beauchamps are exiled. Fred remains behind.

Twincest and Fred remain friends, they take the fall for him regarding something.

Twincest is exiled.

~ 200 years go by.

Fred leaves Asgard and reunites w/ family.

 

If that was the case then Isis & bro would have known about the king's curse on his own family as he probably blah-blah-ed it to everyone as a warning.  I thought the timeline seemed vague, I only remember them saying they were exiled because they took the fall for Frederick regarding something, leaving it open that the rest of his family could have been gone by then?  But I'm only guessing from my fuzzy memory so maybe someone else knows for sure.

 

I missed last week's episode due to satellite issues. I know that Killian doesn't remember what Dash did to him. Does he remember his past with Freya? I was kind of surprised that Dash was calling her a b**** & insulting her, yet no response from Killian in that respect.

 

From what we've seen I would say he does remember his past with Freya, but there might be more magic at work that hasn't been revealed yet as the whole thing seems a bit off.  I hope that's the case because he does seem fairly cold towards Freya, and if there isn't a magical explanation then he is pretty much an ass.

 

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As shown , Killian does not know about his past life with Freya. He just felt a connection. The only people who knew about past life Killian were Freya and Victor.

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Another notch in the "magic rules cannot be broken....until they are" column: Victor is immortal. What's in the explosion that will kill him?

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I noticed that Twincest Girl (TG) had a scar on her leg that looked like the scar Freya had on her back after her sexy time with Mr. Tentacle. I assume since she didn't die, TG will be back to exact revenge but maybe she has more ties to the big bad than previously thought.

 

And why is poor Wendy stuck in a boring story with EMT guy? I'm all for romance, but I'm not seeing the point unless they won't them to get all googly over each other and then have him killed - which too closely mirrors Freya's cop lover last season. 

 

And I know I only pay 76% attention to this show, but I swear some of the stuff in the previouslies was stuff that hadn't aired before.

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And why is poor Wendy stuck in a boring story with EMT guy? I'm all for romance, but I'm not seeing the point unless they won't them to get all googly over each other and then have him killed - which too closely mirrors Freya's cop lover last season. 

 

 

Unless I forgot, they never explained why EMT guy wanted a book about witchcraft, there must be something about him we don't know yet.

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I noticed that Twincest Girl (TG) had a scar on her leg that looked like the scar Freya had on her back after her sexy time with Mr. Tentacle. I assume since she didn't die, TG will be back to exact revenge but maybe she has more ties to the big bad than previously thought.

And why is poor Wendy stuck in a boring story with EMT guy? I'm all for romance, but I'm not seeing the point unless they won't them to get all googly over each other and then have him killed - which too closely mirrors Freya's cop lover last season.

I thought Isis got the scratch from Wendy gouging her at the picnic.

Wasn't that Ingrid's storyline?

Yes, it was. But unless EMT guy dies and Wendy brings him back as a ghost and then fucks him for three days, I don't find it very reminiscent of what Ingrid did.

Unless I forgot, they never explained why EMT guy wanted a book about witchcraft, there must be something about him we don't know yet.

He wanted a book about herbs because he was planting them, so he may very well BE that boring. Good luck, Wendy. I hope he's at least good in bed. Edited by kariyaki

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As shown , Killian does not know about his past life with Freya. He just felt a connection. The only people who knew about past life Killian were Freya and Victor.

 

 

Sorry, this must have been my misunderstanding,  I thought the original poster was asking if Killian remembered his past with Freya (their history together that led up to his accident), and not their past lives. My bad.

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Yes this is what I was wondering. Sorry, I should have been clearer. Was Killian aware of his most recent past with Freya? In this current lifetime before Dash attacked him.

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Sorry, it was Ingrid. I got the sisters mixed up. Ingrid had the cop lover and she also boinks in the forest with Tentacled Avatars. And thanks kariyaki for the clarification on the rat twin and her cut. Makes more sense.

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I like many here was afraid that Frederick might be the tentacle guy, but he did clearly seem to be somewhere else during the times that tentacle dude was shown. I believe that he was in the library killing Mr. Twincest when Tentacle Guy was raping/feeding from Ingrid. I also zoomed in on the face of Tentacle Guy and it looked like a different person. Also, I'm definitely down for some Dash/Ingrid.

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I actually think that the EMT is up to no good.  He seems very keen on being with Wendy but I noticed that whenever she tries to kiss him or something he finds a reason to avoid it.  She also intimated that none of their dates have gone particularly well which makes me think that she is being warned away from him.

 

I am on the fence on Dash and Ingrid.  There is a certain chemistry there but they are both so woefully ignorant when it comes to their magic and when and how to use it that I can only see it ending in disaster.  She has already helped him hide a body, I shudder to think what else they will intentionally do together.

 

I feel like Frederick and the tentacle guy are connected in some way.  Maybe tentacles is a creature that Frederick created when he came through the portal and he is just unaware of it.  I thought this when the guy that Frederick bumped into was immediately attacked by the tentacle guy. 

 

I'm pretty sure that Killian is aware of the relationship he had with Freya before Dash tried to kill him.  The last thing he remembers is giving Freya the ultimatum and waiting on the boat.  He doesn't remember Dash attacking him.  I also think his feelings for Freya are being suppressed by Eva.

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Another notch in the "magic rules cannot be broken....until they are" column: Victor is immortal. What's in the explosion that will kill him?

A big problem with shows about magic or witches, and this show does it to, is they always make up something to solve an unsolveable situation.  Like we can use the magic amulet of Transfaldoor and they will live or come out of the trance.

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