Jump to content
Forums forums
PRIMETIMER
raven

S10.E22: Here's Negan

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

I was under the impression that in the comics, Carl (not Judith) let him out of Alexandria's jail and he promptly disappeared afterwards. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Spoiler

Carl let him out, he went and infiltrated Alpha's group and killed her and, if I recall correctly, Beta as well.  Brought their heads back to Rick as tribute and they let him stay free.  Maggie was off in Hilltop then and they had basically no interaction.  I don't remember much of Negan after that until the end.  Negan was alive at the end of the comic, living by himself, with only Carl visiting him on occasion.  I read the comics a while back so I could be wrong on the middle part.

 

  • Like 2
  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post

2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

The problem is that lots of people lose their spouses and don't turn into murderous psychopaths. I mean, sure, the zombie apocalypse on top of that is another factor but still, there are decent people in this world who didn't turn out like Negan.

That's definitely true.  I hate it when people use the idea of something bad happening to them to excuse their poor behavior, even if that does happen sometimes.  But remember, this is the show that had Rick hearing voices and hallucinating after losing Lori.  And Rick's group did some messed up things themselves, although not on the level of Negan.

  • Like 1
  • Useful 2

Share this post


Link to post
3 hours ago, rmontro said:

But remember, this is the show that had Rick hearing voices and hallucinating after losing Lori.

IMO, that was understandable. All these horrors would give anyone PTSD. He did do some messed up things, like ignoring the infamous, begging backpacker. However, he didn't start torturing people and raping the women in his group.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, AngelaHunter said:

He did do some messed up things, like ignoring the infamous, begging backpacker. However, he didn't start torturing people and raping the women in his group.

Might depend on your definition of torturing people.  Plus he killed those people in their sleep.  But I'm not trying to say he was as bad as Negan.  Sounds like Negan started from a shakier moral position in the first place, nearly beating a guy to death in a bar, and cheating on his wife.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Just now, rmontro said:

Might depend on your definition of torturing people. 

My definition would include gleefully burning someone's face with a hot iron to cause the utmost in pain for the pure enjoyment of it, and keeping a rape harem. Yes, Rick killed those people in their sleep and did other ruthless things but I never saw him grinning and gloating while doing it nor did I see him coercing and threatening women to force them to have sex with him.

  • Like 4

Share this post


Link to post
20 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

IMO, that was understandable. All these horrors would give anyone PTSD. He did do some messed up things, like ignoring the infamous, begging backpacker. However, he didn't start torturing people and raping the women in his group.

I will never forget that scene of him and Michonne in the car, just casually passing by that poor guy.  Carl was a kid so I didn't blame him.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post

19 hours ago, rmontro said:

Might depend on your definition of torturing people. 

Torture = inflicting pain and injury for fun and/or profit.

 

21 hours ago, AngelaHunter said:

He did do some messed up things, like ignoring the infamous, begging backpacker.

Neglect or callousness =/= torture.

 

16 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I will never forget that scene of him and Michonne in the car, just casually passing by that poor guy.  Carl was a kid so I didn't blame him.

 

Um, doesn’t the second sentence pretty much explain the first?  If Rick had been solo or accompanied solely by another adult or adults, then his reaction may have been different; to a father with his young son in the vehicle, though, playing Good Samaritan might pose a risk he cannot afford to take.  If the choice is between your child’s safety versus that of an adult stranger...?  That doesn’t even rise to the level of a seriously considered question.

  • Like 2
  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, Nashville said:

Um, doesn’t the second sentence pretty much explain the first?  If Rick had been solo or accompanied solely by another adult or adults, then his reaction may have been different; to a father with his young son in the vehicle, though, playing Good Samaritan might pose a risk he cannot afford to take.  If the choice is between your child’s safety versus that of an adult stranger...?  That doesn’t even rise to the level of a seriously considered question.

Um, they didn't look like they were concerned about Carl's safety.  They just didn't give a shit.  They could have protected the kid by binding the guy's hands and feet and even putting him in the trunk for safety until they got back to their gang.   

  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post
15 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Neglect or callousness =/= torture.

I'm not sure what that means, but for sure not picking up the hitchhiker was not torture. He had just decided, "Fuck everyone except my "family".

  • Like 1
  • Useful 2

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/5/2021 at 6:20 PM, iMonrey said:

This just happens way too often on TV. A character has crossed a line and is no longer viable but the actor is popular the the show chases its tail trying to justify and soften the character to keep them around. I want to say it's insulting to the audience but there's a good chunk of the audience willing to go along with it because they like the actor. So I'll just say I'm not part of that audience and leave it at that.

Can I submit an exception,  Doctor Smith from Lost in space?🙂

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
5 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Um, they didn't look like they were concerned about Carl's safety.  They just didn't give a shit. 
 

I’d agree theirs was pretty much an automatic dismissal, but we might disagree on its basis.  IMHO it was simply a case of a near-instantaneous calculation: at that point in their post-ZA experience, any potential benefit from picking up a stranger simply did not outweigh the potential risks.

5 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

They could have protected the kid by binding the guy's hands and feet and even putting him in the trunk for safety until they got back to their gang.   

And if Backpack Guy had his own gang somewhere?  For all Rick and Michonne knew there could have been a pile of folks hiding in the woods, waiting to jump them as soon as they got out of the car.  Or he could have been a reconnaissance scout for a larger group, and taking him back to the Prison would both (a) expose their camp location and (b) give him the opportunity to scout them for future conquest.  Bottom line: potential risk > potential reward.

  • Like 1
  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post

I know that this season they were doing filler episodes, but they made so much of them in the past...   Negan story should have been done years ago but instead they were puting new useless characters that we don't even see no more.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

3 hours ago, heisenberg said:

Can I submit an exception,  Doctor Smith from Lost in space?🙂

Would Dr. Smith be an exception, or a case in point?  😄

  • Laugh 2

Share this post


Link to post
11 hours ago, Nashville said:

I’d agree theirs was pretty much an automatic dismissal, but we might disagree on its basis.  IMHO it was simply a case of a near-instantaneous calculation: at that point in their post-ZA experience, any potential benefit from picking up a stranger simply did not outweigh the potential risks.

And if Backpack Guy had his own gang somewhere?  For all Rick and Michonne knew there could have been a pile of folks hiding in the woods, waiting to jump them as soon as they got out of the car.  Or he could have been a reconnaissance scout for a larger group, and taking him back to the Prison would both (a) expose their camp location and (b) give him the opportunity to scout them for future conquest.  Bottom line: potential risk > potential reward.

All this speculation might have been true, but if the situation had been reversed and Rick and Michonne and the kid had been on the road crying for help and they got passed by, I doubt they would have said "I understand why they didn't stop."  Just sayin'. 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post

All I got from this episode was both Negan and his wife were dirtbags who both apparently thought a guy enjoying himself at a BAR, talking over some old ass, overplayed, sappy love song "had it coming" and deserved to be beaten up. Other people might complain that in this episode we did not get to see how Negan actually formed the saviors but I say, why would anyone need to see that? We had already seen everything we needed to see with regards to Negan and this episode did not change anything at all about what anyone might've ever thought about him. There was no grand reversal like there was with Rick. Negan was ALWAYS a piece of shit, he was married to a woman who was also a piece of shit and had she lived, SHE would have been queen of the saviors and this whole show is just so awful I have no idea why I keep torturing myself watching it. It used to be an awesome show. Then it was a pretty good show. Then kinda meh. Now though....

  • Like 7

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/5/2021 at 11:50 AM, AngelaHunter said:

If he could be allowed to do that without endless, snide, tedious monologues and the peepee, dick humour, I agree it could be interesting (certainly more interesting than "Carol Chases a Rat") but still won't make me see Negan as even remotely sympathetic. Long ago, this show used to be character-driven, which was something I loved about it, until it turned into a boring shoot 'em and blow 'em up with speeches in between, filled with zany cartoon villains and bad, bad Leroy Brown.

Nagen doesn't have to be a sympathetic character for him to have a spinoff series.   In this episode it was abundantly clear that Nagen took his relationship with his wife for granted.   Then he finds out about her diagnosis and reality slapped in the face with a side dish of guilt.

On 4/5/2021 at 12:54 PM, madmax said:

I, too, would have liked to have seen more about how he formed the Saviors and how/why Laura went from nice doctor's daughter to vicious member of the Saviors.

There is no question that there is a huge gap between what Negan was at the end of this episode, and his transition into the repulsive leader of the Saviors.  Which is why I think he should have the spinoff series.

On 4/5/2021 at 1:56 PM, OoohMaggie said:

Being a trained soldier, he should have known that you don’t blindly attack an enemy when you have no idea how many of them there are, he didn’t speak up at the meeting whether to attack the compound or not, he took part in the attack, blame can be apportioned pretty much everywhere if you try, I don’t think a person getting sick can come very high on the blame list. What happened to Glenn could easily be blamed on someone else yet again.

So you're going to bat for Maggie, and Nagen (literally) went to bat for Glenn.  Sorry, I shouldn't have gone there.

  • Like 1
  • Laugh 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/7/2021 at 1:52 PM, iMonrey said:

The problem is that lots of people lose their spouses and don't turn into murderous psychopaths. I mean, sure, the zombie apocalypse on top of that is another factor but still, there are decent people in this world who didn't turn out like Negan. So I don't know that the show did in fact do a good job explaining this. I think a better version would have shown us that Negan had some mental health issues from the start. This felt more like an attempt to garner sympathy for the character so as to humanize him and make him more viable.

Nagen in this episode is very much like some of the high school kids I went to school with.  The type of kids you stay away from, because you don't know what is going to set them off, you don't know if there is a line they won't cross, and more often than not they don't seem to have an off switch when they turn violent.  In other words, impulse control issues.

There has to be something more horrible that Nagen sees that pushes him further down the path of no guilt, no regret.  He had a tremendous amount of guilt for what he put his wife through, and his inability to save her.  As the Savior leader he had none of that.

Edited by icemiser69
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/7/2021 at 4:36 PM, rmontro said:

That's definitely true.  I hate it when people use the idea of something bad happening to them to excuse their poor behavior, even if that does happen sometimes.  But remember, this is the show that had Rick hearing voices and hallucinating after losing Lori.  And Rick's group did some messed up things themselves, although not on the level of Negan.

It isn't about excusing the behavior, it is about explaining the behavior.  We know that Nagen beat the crap out of someone in a bar for being disrespectful.  Nagen has rage issues.  He comes off as the stereotypical high school bully.   In the ZA he devolved into a killing machine.  We know his wife had the ability to help him control his rage.  We know that now that she is dead, there is no one there to stop him from getting emotionally out of control.

On 4/8/2021 at 5:08 PM, Nashville said:

Um, doesn’t the second sentence pretty much explain the first?  If Rick had been solo or accompanied solely by another adult or adults, then his reaction may have been different; to a father with his young son in the vehicle, though, playing Good Samaritan might pose a risk he cannot afford to take.  If the choice is between your child’s safety versus that of an adult stranger...?  That doesn’t even rise to the level of a seriously considered question.

That depends on how much you like your kid.

On 4/8/2021 at 7:52 PM, heisenberg said:

Can I submit an exception,  Doctor Smith from Lost in space?🙂

Doctor Smith was a weasel.

On 4/8/2021 at 11:19 PM, Nashville said:

Would Dr. Smith be an exception, or a case in point?  😄

Lost in Space wouldn't have lasted as long as it did without him.

3 hours ago, diebartdie said:

All I got from this episode was both Negan and his wife were dirtbags who both apparently thought a guy enjoying himself at a BAR, talking over some old ass, overplayed, sappy love song "had it coming" and deserved to be beaten up. Other people might complain that in this episode we did not get to see how Negan actually formed the saviors but I say, why would anyone need to see that? We had already seen everything we needed to see with regards to Negan and this episode did not change anything at all about what anyone might've ever thought about him. There was no grand reversal like there was with Rick. Negan was ALWAYS a piece of shit, he was married to a woman who was also a piece of shit and had she lived, SHE would have been queen of the saviors and this whole show is just so awful I have no idea why I keep torturing myself watching it. It used to be an awesome show. Then it was a pretty good show. Then kinda meh. Now though....

I thought his wife was upset that he got into a fight over a song.  She may have been upset about not being able to hear the song, but I don't think she wanted her husband to go ape shit over it.

Edited by icemiser69
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post

On 4/5/2021 at 1:15 PM, driver18 said:

I gotta say I don't understand the complaints about these episodes. They were never going to move the plot forward. That was never the intention. We were always going to be at the exact same place emotionally, plot-wise, etc. as we were at the end of the "regular" season 10 heading into season 11. These were literally BONUS, EXTRA episodes. They were filler episodes, giving us some bits of back story on these characters. Also they gave us some information on just how bad things are in Alexandria--which is clearly really, really bad.

The Aaron/Gabriel ep showed us that Aaron--despite everything--still believes, still has hope in humanity, while Gabriel has lost his faith pretty much. He's broken.

We learned that Princess has a whole shit-ton of mental issues that could (will likely) come into play. One of the complaints about the new characters that have been brought in is that even after more than a few seasons with them is that we don't know diddly-squat about them, they're ciphers. Princess is a real character now. She's not a cipher anymore.

The Negan episode gave us a guy who was fucked up, prone to violence, but held back because of the consequences of his actions and the love he felt for his wife. The apocalypse took away (he thought) the consequences, and then he lost his wife, so he let himself in his grief let loose his violence and never went back. Now, looking back he realizes that even though there's no law, there are still consequences.

The First Daryl/Carol ep that was more from Daryl's pov and the second, more from Carol's, were both setting them up for their journey ahead, getting them back to a more comfortable place with each other and actually explore who they are to each other. They are being broken down and put back together. Normally, shows don't have the time to do these kinds of scenes/episodes. This is what you see in fanfic frankly. (It's why Caryl fans loved the second episode, "Diverged" so much.) It's a deeper exploration of who these characters are in relation to each other, separately and together. Neither is what we'll get in the spin-off.

None of these episodes are what we would see in regular episodes. Again, these are just bonus episodes giving us some bonus material that we would never normally get. It's not about moving the plot forward, it's about digging deeper into these characters. I loved each and every one of them. I loved the exploration of these characters so much.

Exactly what I said last week, thank you.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
8 hours ago, diebartdie said:

All I got from this episode was both Negan and his wife were dirtbags who both apparently thought a guy enjoying himself at a BAR, talking over some old ass, overplayed, sappy love song "had it coming" and deserved to be beaten up. Other people might complain that in this episode we did not get to see how Negan actually formed the saviors but I say, why would anyone need to see that? We had already seen everything we needed to see with regards to Negan and this episode did not change anything at all about what anyone might've ever thought about him. There was no grand reversal like there was with Rick. Negan was ALWAYS a piece of shit, 

Usually, when a character gets some focus, they become more nuanced. By the end of this, IMO the opposite happened. I could see why Negan went back to the gang after his wife died. I don't think it was to save the doctor and the girl. It was revenge for delaying him to the point that he didn't make it back in time to stop his wife's suicide. So at the end of this he became less nuanced.

I also did not see anything in this episode that clearly influenced him to form the Saviors. Lost opportunity?

 

5 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

There is no question that there is a huge gap between what Negan was at the end of this episode, and his transition into the repulsive leader of the Saviors.  Which is why I think he should have the spinoff series.

I would not want to watch a series that focused on the formation of the Saviors. It was heavily implied that the Saviors were dominant throughout their reign, that they never came significantly close to defeat until encountering Rick et al. 

TWD is depressing enough without seeing the good guys always losing and the bad guys always winning.

  • Like 2
  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post
49 minutes ago, Starchild said:

TWD is depressing enough without seeing the good guys always losing and the bad guys always winning.

I don't think there are any good guys.  They all have done different degrees of horrible things.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

I just watched the beginning of this, since I missed it last week. Negan has no one to whom he can speechify, sneer, and orate in his sad little lonely cabin (which is heaven compared to his cell) so he conjures up another Negan to monologue and taunt him. Two Negans at the same time. Whatever.

So Negan was a sleazy, himbo, video-gaming, useless asshole before the ZA, with no job yet blows money on buying some stupid Fonzie jacket for himself like the selfish, arrested-development jerkoff he is. He tended to his wife afterwards because he had just the faintest vestigial stirring of humanity to actually feel guilt at his disgusting treatment of her, i.e. cheating on her all the time and blowing her off the day she found out she had cancer "Ah, you'll be fine! Those doctors exaggerate! Gotta go!" so he could feed his ego and sate his desire to be seen as a great stud by some other woman.

And then, I don't know - FIVE YEARS EARLIER or LATER or maybe only TWO OR THREE DAYS LATER Negan spends what seems to be hours digging in the field while the slowest zombie on the planet shuffles towards him. Amazingly, he finds his beloved Lucille bat just in time to dispatch this walker. At least I think he did. My attention started wandering already.

Then, EARLIER, while on his mission of mercy, he meets some stereotypical, monologuing, Simon-esque, verbose, scenery-chewing, sadistic, evil, horrible cruel person who abuses him while Negan plays Tiny Tim - "Please, sir, may I take the meds to my beloved and cherished wife"? Even super-baddies want him to STFU. Then he meets more totally expected stereotypes, the super-kind, benevolent, sympathetic, self-sacrificing, philanthropist do-gooders who will do anything to help anyone - including Negan -  on his mission, even though he waved a gun at them. Yeah, newly-emerged Barcode Bitch conked him with the bat, but did him no harm, of course.

Didn't any ordinary, regular people besides our gang survive the ZA? Must they all be pure good/bad with no nuances?

  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/8/2021 at 5:08 PM, Nashville said:
On 4/7/2021 at 9:31 PM, rmontro said:

Might depend on your definition of torturing people. 

Torture = inflicting pain and injury for fun and/or profit.

I'll use it in a sentence: The Walking Dead tortures me, the viewer, with Negan 🤪

  • Like 1
  • Laugh 2
  • Surprise 1

Share this post


Link to post
22 hours ago, ByTor said:

I'll use it in a sentence: The Walking Dead tortures me, the viewer, with Negan 🤪

An excellent illustration.  😄

  • Like 1
  • Laugh 1
  • Surprise 1

Share this post


Link to post

On 4/8/2021 at 5:08 PM, Nashville said:

Torture = inflicting pain and injury for fun and/or profit.

So that atomic wedgie I received in high school was considered torture?  Sure it was painful, and my balls still haven't dropped, but I don't think I would call it torture.

But using your definition, bullying would be considered torture.  I have never really thought about it that way.  I just figured they were just a bunch of assholes getting off on making other people feel miserable.  But yeah, after thinking about it a bit, I agree with you.

I know that I am in the minority on this and its fine, but I think Negan has more of a right to be back at Alexandria than Maggie.  Maggie comes back from getting her library card and brings trouble with her and she still expects to wield power?  I don't think so.  I am not saying that Nagen is a great guy, but after all this time and given that Maggie has been go for so long, if she can't handle Negan being around, then perhaps she should leave.

At the moment I am not too fond of Carol either.  She comes off as incredibly smug.

Edited by icemiser69
  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post

First, a clarification: primarily by accident (a movie I was watching on AMC ended

Quote

All I got from this episode was both Negan and his wife were dirtbags who both apparently thought a guy enjoying himself at a BAR, talking over some old ass, overplayed, sappy love song "had it coming" and deserved to be beaten up.

I got a few impressions from Lucille’s “had it coming” phone call, but none of them were that she actually thought dude deserved a beatdown:

  1. Lucille was loyal to her husband, sometimes to a fault - and maybe sometimes to the point of enabling his less-than-ideal character traits.
  2. While Lucille has the right to ream Negan when he does stupid shit, nobody else does.
  3. The person on the other end of the phone conversation was a mother/sister/best friend who had always thought - and repeatedly voiced, at every opportunity - THEIR considered opinion that (a) Lucille had made a mistake in marrying Negan, (b) he never was any good, (c) he certainly wasn’t good enough for Lucille, (d) they’d always known sooner or later Negan would go down in flames, (e) Lucille would do well to shed herself of him before Negan dragged her down with him, f/g/h/I/j/k, etc., etc. - I expect you get the idea.  And for Lucille, coming to Negan’s defense in such conversations is a near-automatic reaction.
  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
5 minutes ago, Nashville said:

The person on the other end of the phone conversation was a mother/sister/best friend who had always thought - and repeatedly voiced, at every opportunity - THEIR considered opinion that (a) Lucille had made a mistake in marrying Negan, (b) he never was any good, (c) he certainly wasn’t good enough for Lucille, (d) they’d always known sooner or later Negan would go down in flames, (e) Lucille would do well to shed herself of him before Negan dragged her down with him,

I haven't rewatched that part yet, but I agree with all of the above. An asshole he was without power, and an asshole he remained with power. I really think he should hook up with Carol and find out what it's like to be with someone just as selfish and uncaring as he is.

Edited by AngelaHunter
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/15/2021 at 6:03 PM, AngelaHunter said:

I haven't rewatched that part yet, but I agree with all of the above. An asshole he was without power, and an asshole he remained with power. I really think he should hook up with Carol and find out what it's like to be with someone just as selfish and uncaring as he is.

And here I thought I was the only one that thought that Carol was and is a self absorbed twit.

Edited by icemiser69
  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/15/2021 at 4:58 PM, Nashville said:

First, a clarification: primarily by accident (a movie I was watching on AMC ended

Whoops.  What I started to say was: primarily by accident (a movie I was watching on AMC ended) I actually ended up watching this episode; AMC had it queued up in the next time slot.  Which makes this the first episode of TWD I’ve watched since God tried pegging the cast with space junk..

  • Laugh 1

Share this post


Link to post

Ok. I still haven't managed to watch the last 2 episodes. From a quick scan of the discussions here I tale it that:

1. Carol makes soup and destroys a wall

2. Daryl fixes his bike

3. Negan talks to himself and just illustrates that he is, was, and always will be garbage.

Have I got that right? If so, I safely feel like I can press delete and wait for the new season.

  • Like 3
  • Laugh 1

Share this post


Link to post

25 minutes ago, shanndee said:

Ok. I still haven't managed to watch the last 2 episodes. From a quick scan of the discussions here I tale it that:

1. Carol makes soup and destroys a wall

2. Daryl fixes his bike

3. Negan talks to himself and just illustrates that he is, was, and always will be garbage.

Have I got that right? If so, I safely feel like I can press delete and wait for the new season.

I thought the Nagen episode was worth watching, if for no other reason than we get to see Nagen's wife, and her struggle with cancer.  We get to see Nagen interacting with his wife, and how he was doing all he could to save her.  The Daryl and Carol episode was a complete waste of time.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post

I can't remember the last time I watched. I just checked this thread, because I follow JDM's wife on instagram, and she mentioned it recently. I thought about trying to watch it online (we no longer have cable), but I really don't like Negan. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/17/2021 at 6:20 PM, shanndee said:

Ok. I still haven't managed to watch the last 2 episodes. From a quick scan of the discussions here I tale it that:

1. Carol makes soup and destroys a wall

2. Daryl fixes his bike

3. Negan talks to himself and just illustrates that he is, was, and always will be garbage.

Have I got that right? If so, I safely feel like I can press delete and wait for the new season.

Yeah, you pretty much got that right. There was a rat too. I was relieved it escaped.

Quote

Negan talks to himself and just illustrates that he is, was, and always will be garbage.

Especially that part, short and sweet. He reminds me of these sleazy guys who sit around bars and make gross propositions to women and use cheesy lines like, "Hey, baby - If I say you have a hot body, would you hold it against me?"

He's so disgusting.

Share this post


Link to post

So, TPTB could have spared me the tedious droning and cartoonish posturing of the shark-jumpin'est character since that jacket's original owner by simply giving Mrs Fonzie Negan-Smith a friggin' CD player??

 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post

I just watched a little more of this, since I can only handle it in 5-minute increments. Negan is even more of an idiotic, juvenile asshole than I knew. A man his age, with a job at a school, gets into a friggin' bar fight?? He gets into this bar fight because he put 50 cents into the jukebox so he can play his wife's favorite song and everyone in the bar didn't shut up so his beloved Lucille (who he was cheating on probably with a number of women and I just hope he didn't bring any loathesome STDs home to her) could hear it properly? Of course the fool loses his job - who would keep a middle-aged man who is supposed to be a good influence on kids when he has zero common sense or self-control? Is this supposed to make us admire him?  I just bet this is little Bobby K's idea of a real man but of course, how would he know such things?

If my husband behaved this way I would die of mortification and dump his ass pronto.

  • Useful 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/11/2021 at 9:00 AM, diebartdie said:

All I got from this episode was both Negan and his wife were dirtbags who both apparently thought a guy enjoying himself at a BAR, talking over some old ass, overplayed, sappy love song "had it coming" and deserved to be beaten up. 

Yes, but in Negan's defense, there is no other possible way that you can listen to music. The only way to hear any song is to go to a bar, play it on the jukebox, and demand that every single other patron shut the hell up because you are too stupid to figure out how to play music in your own house. 

  • Laugh 2

Share this post


Link to post

4 hours ago, CletusMusashi said:

Yes, but in Negan's defense, there is no other possible way that you can listen to music. The only way to hear any song is to go to a bar, play it on the jukebox, and demand that every single other patron shut the hell up because you are too stupid to figure out how to play music in your own house. 

Honestly, that's why I don't really care for music. I'm not a big guy, and I'm not a trained fighter, so every time I listened to my favorite song I'd get my ass kicked. 

  • Laugh 1

Share this post


Link to post

Funny thing is... we are taking away the lesson that Negan and Lucille were a selfish white trash couple who considered themselves to be the stars of any TV show that they happened to be on, and... okay, I suppose they guessed that one right...

But I don't think the writers are telling that story. Just like a few seasons ago they did not understand how problematic the infamous "nut-tapping lesson" was, in this case I think they are honestly just so clueless about how hyoo-mons act that they seriously just looked at it like...

"Well, he's a really tough guy who can beat people to death. How do we know this? Well, how do hyoo-mons learn how tough they are? Unless 20th century Hollywood was making shit up, then... bar fights! But he has to be a good guy, so, um... (insert stupid fucking background story that we already heard...)"

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
On 4/16/2021 at 12:03 AM, AngelaHunter said:

I haven't rewatched that part yet, but I agree with all of the above. An asshole he was without power, and an asshole he remained with power. I really think he should hook up with Carol and find out what it's like to be with someone just as selfish and uncaring as he is.

So glad I stopped watching long ago. Reading this about Carol makes me incredibly sad.

To this day I wonder what the show could have been if AMC had just let Darabont do his thing with it. So what if he wanted to do stuff not in the comics? Considering the comics aren't exactly deep, deviations from it wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world.

  • Sad 2

Share this post


Link to post
2 hours ago, Smad said:

To this day I wonder what the show could have been if AMC had just let Darabont do his thing with it. So what if he wanted to do stuff not in the comics? Considering the comics aren't exactly deep, deviations from it wouldn't have been the worst thing in the world.

It’s especially painful to know that Kirkman actually wanted the show to deviate somewhat from the comics, it was ‘The Gimp’ who insisted on following them so closely, how I hate that man 🤬

  • Surprise 1
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
×
  • Create New...

Customize font-size