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3 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Isn't that particular palms inward wave known as the royal wave?

Yes, but I think the British do it a little differently, with the palm facing out and a slight pivot at the wrist. The wave in the show had the palm facing in.  

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4 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Watching Prince Olav get toasted along with the locals brought back memories of the stories of Princes William and Harry in England, and what a job it must be to be the minders of a royal family.  I did like the scene where his assistant slapped him out in the street, saying "I am not your father."  Yeah, you might be a Prince, buddy, but right now you're behaving like a drunken ass.

Then Olav stumbling into car only to find King Haakon sitting there.  I’ll be honest I felt teary eyed watching the return to Norway and Haakon trying not to cry.

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4 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Same here.  Was fascinated by the story of the odious Quisling.

So was I. I remember first reading about it on TvTropes. I really wish we got to see what happened to him. It was awesome how Norway dealt with him.

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4 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I have always wondered how much briefing FDR's staff gave Harry Truman before his ascendancy to the Presidential office.  It would seem to be extremely negligent of them, realizing that FDR really was dying, not to tell him about so many of the things going on in the nation and the world, but we are always led to believe that, basically, he was told one day that FDR was dead and he was now in charge.

I do think Truman only finding out about the nuclear weapons until becoming president was real. 

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1 minute ago, DoctorAtomic said:

I do think Truman only finding out about the nuclear weapons until becoming president was real. 

So do I. I think Truman only met him twice before he died? I'm not sure how much he knew about anything. I'm always impressed by the story when he asks Eleanor if there's anything he can do for her and she asks if there's anything we can do for you. Your the one in trouble now. 

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4 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

So was I. I remember first reading about it on TvTropes. I really wish we got to see what happened to him. It was awesome how Norway dealt with him.

To say nothing of what became of the two Mrs. Quislings. His first wife was a Russian teenager  named Alexandra Voronin in 1922 that he quickly repudiated and denied being married to. Then he claimed to marry another Russian woman named Maria Pasetshnikova in 1923 (but no documentation has ever been found to verify this- much less any divorce from Alexandra) while pretending his legal wife was his 'foster daughter' for a time before he forced Alexandra to have an abortion which finally got her fed up enough to permanently separate from him. Alexandra  would eventually flee to China, have her marriage to Quisling annulled in 1933 before embarking on her 2nd of 3 marriages and having a son by her 2nd husband who died shortly thereafter. Luckily Alexandra, her son and her 3rd husband (who she married in 1936)in China somehow survived the Japanese invasion and  all the chaos of WWII before being some of the last Europeans to flee China in 1947 for  Palo Alto, California where the two of them would write about her unpleasant first union to Mr. Quisling and would both live to the 1990's with Maria dying at age 88 and her widower at 94. 

As for Maria, she and Quisling stayed 'married'  and accompanied him back to Norway until his 1945 hanging death then she'd somewhat follow the path of Mussolini's widow and do all she could to rehabilitate his rep and blasting all who didn't worship it before being institutionalized for the last two years of her life and dying in 1980 at age 79.

Yeah, all this made whatever the fictional Olaf's worst nightmares re Martha and FDR seem  like a walk down Sesame Street! 

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Are we missing episodes? My tivo called this E12, but the PBS site calls it E8. 

I thought it was a bit abrupt the Crown Prince was voted in Defense Chief. 

What did FDR die of? 

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2 hours ago, DoctorAtomic said:

Are we missing episodes? My tivo called this E12, but the PBS site calls it E8. 

I thought it was a bit abrupt the Crown Prince was voted in Defense Chief. 

What did FDR die of? 

Congestive heart failure

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13 hours ago, meep.meep said:

Congestive heart failure

While he may have had that as a secondary condition, his immediate cause of death was an intracerebral hemorrhage. He had been having his portrait painted in his Warm Springs, Georgia retreat (in the company of a one-time co-adulterer Lucy Mercer Rutherford) when he suddenly exclaimed that he 'had a terrible headache' and slumped over unconscious. He was immediately carried into his bedroom but would soon die at 3:35 PM, April 12, 1945 at age 63.  Mrs. Rutherford wasted no time amscraying from the spot. While it would be years before her presence would become public knowledge, Eleanor learned of it almost immediately (as well as  the fact that their daughter Anna Roosevelt Boettiger having facilitated the reunions in recent years) and was understandably quite hurt over those revelations.  It should be noted that it was discovery of their trysts back in 1918 that nearly split the Roosevelts with his mother Sara actually threatening to financially cut off her son if he divorced or even separated from Eleanor  since that would have doomed his political career in those times while Eleanor insisted she'd only stay wed to him if he cut off contact with the then Miss Mercer. He did and she'd marry someone else but after her widowhood in 1944, they resumed their bond.  Perhaps it wasn't mere shock over his longtime husband's death but wanting to avoid letting the public know the extent of her angst that prompted Eleanor to only admit to worrying about where she would live from that point on upon receiving the news. 

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On 5/24/2021 at 1:43 PM, sugarbaker design said:

Isn't that particular palms inward wave known as the royal wave?

The "royal wave" is an easier motion on the arm than the palm outward wave.  With as much waving as members of the royal families do, they would have chronic tendonitis with the outward palm wave

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26 minutes ago, pally said:

The "royal wave" is an easier motion on the arm than the palm outward wave.  With as much waving as members of the royal families do, they would have chronic tendonitis with the outward palm wave

You GOT it! I think this is something that's been passed down to Royals, celebs and politicians along the lines of 'sit whenever you can, and use the bathroom whenever you can because it may be quite sometime before you get another chance to do either action'! 

I'm already missing watching Princess Martha! 

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On 5/24/2021 at 10:23 AM, zoey1996 said:

Nice that Olav saw the error of his ways, fictionalized though it was, and they resumed life together.

I hated that the show turned Olav into an ass in order to make Martha seem like a genius in comparison.  I'd have been more interested in something presenting a more balanced view of them and their marriage.  Still, I mostly enjoyed the show, and it did make me look things up about the family and about Norway during the war.

I absolutely loved the archival footage at the end.  That was fabulous.

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On 4/26/2021 at 4:54 PM, Dehumidifier said:

You answered your own question there.

My father's family lost two members in WW2. I don't think they were fans of FDR. My father used to say the Democrats always get the country into wars.

The democrats?

japaan bombed Pearl Harbor.

oh and I’m Jewish but I guess your dad was ok with Hitler destroying Europe and murdering people.

my father and two uncles fought in WWII.

 

thre only excuse for the America first crowd was time: WWI was only about as distant as 9/11 is to us now. So I get the fatigue.

but hindsight should know better and if you’re truly feeling angry we got into the war I think you missed the point of the episode, If not the show.

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On 6/24/2021 at 12:33 AM, lucindabelle said:

The democrats?

japaan bombed Pearl Harbor.

oh and I’m Jewish but I guess your dad was ok with Hitler destroying Europe and murdering people.

my father and two uncles fought in WWII.

 

thre only excuse for the America first crowd was time: WWI was only about as distant as 9/11 is to us now. So I get the fatigue.

but hindsight should know better and if you’re truly feeling angry we got into the war I think you missed the point of the episode, If not the show.

I didn't say I was angry. Maybe my father was angry about losing his two brothers. And he said warS. Multiple.

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