Oprah with Harry and Meghan: A CBS Primetime Special

[UsernameFatigue]

2 minutes ago, carolinagirl81 said:

But they only ended up in LA AFTER Harry's main source of income was cut off the funds from Charles. 

Again, anyone who knows Canada and Vancouver Island would know that that was never their end game. Even if they thought Charles was going to support them for the rest of their lives, as non working royals. And Canadians certainly had no interest in paying for their security, as non working royals. 

[Growsonwalls]

Yeah one thing is Kate gave birth three weeks prior to the wedding. Many mothers suffer from post-partum depression. It wouldn't surprise me at all if her nerves were a bit frayed. 

Anyway the tights thing is a non-issue. Charlotte often goes without tights, and Kate also goes without tights. I have a hard time believing Kate cares THAT much about tights considering Charlotte rarely if ever wears tights.

[meatball77]

9 minutes ago, Fostersmom said:

This is honestly the LEAST surprising thing she said. I had no doubts that would be a concern.

Wasn't the story always Kate was crazy upset that Meghan didn't want the bridesmaids wearing tights and this was somehow a huge issue to Kate? Makes much more sense that it actually was Kate making Meghan cry about it rather than Meghan making Kate cry about it. 

That really means nothing though. A friend of my mom's boyfriend is white and his wife is half black, but she's actually lighter skinned than the husband. They had twins a few years ago and one of the little girls is darker skinned than Meghan. You just never know. 

Didn't they have to pass something changing the rules to allow for a female monarch before George was born incase the first baby was a girl? 

I know they claim it's to make them more anonymous, but I've always believed Kate 1000% dresses her kids like that to make sure they look like proper little royals. Dressing them like kids from the 1940's makes them stand out more than if they were just little kids wearing anything off the rack at any random store. 

Standing out in public but would you recognize them in normal clothes at the park with their nanna?

[Runningwild]

9 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Harry inherited that money 24 years ago. Ten million in 1997 is worth a lot more now. He also inherited from his great grandmother. 

I am not going to feel sorry for a Prince who only inherited $10 million from his mom and was cut off by his billionaire father. 

[BW Manilowe]

44 minutes ago, Kromm said:

Piers Morgan screams at the top of his lungs about this constantly.  Some people hear that and just bend to the hurricane of noise. 

I suppose Oprah didn't go into this because it's been well hashed out for the public already, whereas the circumstances about their actual step away from duties and titles hasn't been. 

Is it possible Oprah couldn’t talk about the letter(s)/situation with Meghan’s father because the suit involving the letter(s) was still going through the (British) courts at the time of taping? I know you can’t comment on things as they’re going through US courts, so I wonder.

[ParadoxLost]

3 minutes ago, Dani said:

It makes more sense to me that Kate cries since she gave birth not long before the wedding. Hormones suck and it is well known that Kate had horrible pregnancies. 

I side eyed this part of the interview a little because I think if they had some kind of problem that there is every chance that both of them could be upset enough to cry and that neither of them were totally in the right even if Kate made the gesture to apologize.

But I think Meghan ultimately took issue with being left to be the villain of the thing instead of just telling the truth.  That decision was likely made to make sure Kate was not put into a bad light.

[doodlebug]

1 minute ago, BW Manilowe said:

Is it possible Oprah couldn’t talk about the letter(s)/situation with Meghan’s father because the suit involving the letter(s) was still going through the (British) courts at the time of taping? I know you can’t comment on things as they’re going through US courts, so I wonder.

I think, too, that, in the court documents, Harry and Meghan were able to lay out their case and felt their side of that story had been told.  They had nothing left to add.

[Growsonwalls]

Now that I'm processing it ... is it seriously a surprise that Charles isn't that nice? Like, is it a surprise that Kate and William are nicer than Charles?

[Ms Blue Jay]

7 minutes ago, Dani said:

I don’t think they are asking anyone to feel sorry for them. I thought it was more an explanation of why they are making deals. Many people want them to be independent but criticize them for earning an income. 

yes yes yes yes yes...

[doodlebug]

12 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Yeah one thing is Kate gave birth three weeks prior to the wedding. Many mothers suffer from post-partum depression. It wouldn't surprise me at all if her nerves were a bit frayed. 

Anyway the tights thing is a non-issue. Charlotte often goes without tights, and Kate also goes without tights. I have a hard time believing Kate cares THAT much about tights considering Charlotte rarely if ever wears tights.

For all we know, it was Charlotte who wanted to wear tights and that started the whole thing.   In photos from Kate's wedding, the little girls are wearing tights.  Maybe Kate suggested it and Meghan didn't want it and there was a bit of a dust-up?  A whole lot of nothing.

[statsgirl]

 

1 hour ago, Crs97 said:

 One thing Harry said that confused me was that he was ashamed to tell the family how much Meghan was struggling.  Earlier he had said that he kept asking for help and was rebuffed.  Did I miss something that would help that make sense?

From the books about Dinah, it is apparent that she was desperate for help too and all they did was tell her to buck up and act like a princess. I remember years back a story that when Queen Elizabeth got back on the royal yacht from a months long trip, Charles and Anne had to bow first before they could run up to her to get a hug from their mother.  This is not a family known for being kind and loving.

I can well believe that Harry, seeing how his wife was already considered not good enough by his family, was ashamed to tell them how much she was struggling.

49 minutes ago, Bewitched said:

The topic of Archie's title is a little vague to me.  If they had already announced to the Queen that they were stepping back and would not be senior royals, I can see why she wouldn't feel the need to bestow a title "early" or at all.  I also never felt Meghan answered clearly about whether they asked for the title outright or if they felt they had to ask for the title in order to get security.  And the timing of all those conversations matter too.

From what I made of the timeline, they only stepped back after they found out that Archie was not going to have a title or security. It is a lot of hard work being front line Royals; why should they do it if they and their children are not going to be treated fairly?

43 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

 Technically, only George was eligible for the HRH as the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales. The queen issued a Leters of Patent (or something) that gave Charlotte and Louis title parity; otherwise, they'd be Lady Charlotte and Lord Louis until Charles (or William, depending) ascended the throne. The HRH isn't passed down indefinitely. It's why when the heirs to the dukedoms of Kent and Gloucester get their titles, they won't be HRH like their fathers.

Re the titles:  the closest comparison is Andrew's kids, the children of the second son in line to inherit the throne. They are known as Princess Beatrix and Princess Eugenie. Edward's son is Viscount Severn and he was farther from the throne when he was born than Archie is.

Queen Elizabeth is almost 95 years old. The monarchy will probably continue with the next monarch but I'm not placing any bets on there being a throne for William to ascend (unless Charles makes himself so unpopular that he doesn't get it).

In a functional family, they would have sat down and talked. The Queen would have said "I won't give Archie a title because X" (and it better be a good reason considering that the children of her other children has some designation) and Harry and Meghan would say "If you don't, he is not eligible for security and as a biracial child in a country that remains very racist in parts, we are concerned that he may be targeted." And then they would work out a compromise that may not involve an equivalent title to William's children, although if the queen could issue Letter of Patent for them why couldn't she for Archie, but something that would enable him to have the security he needs.

But it sounds like there was never an opportunity for Harry and Meghan's concerns to be listened to. Whether that's Philip, or whether it's Charles, it must hurt a lot to know that your family doesn't have your back. No amount of money makes up for that.

Edited March 8, 2021 by statsgirl

[Runningwild]

14 minutes ago, Dani said:

I don’t think they are asking anyone to feel sorry for them. I thought it was more an explanation of why they are making deals. Many people want them to be independent but criticize them for earning an income. 

I disagree. I think they do want us to feel sorry for them and they don’t have to make these deals. They could just choose to live more simply. 

[Growsonwalls]

2 minutes ago, Runningwild said:

I disagree. I think they do want us to feel sorry for them and they don’t have to make these deals. They could just choose to live more simply. 

I'm curious -- how would they earn money? Unless Meghan can pick up another acting gig I'm curious how they'd actually survive. Can they just go get a job at Walmart? I don't think so.

[PepSinger]

55 minutes ago, Runningwild said:

I disagree. I think they do want us to feel sorry for them and they don’t have to make these deals. They could just choose to live more simply. 

Well, I do feel sorry for them. Being the target of racism sucks, and it's even worse when your family doesn't have your back. Why is the onus on the ones who are experiencing the racism to change their behavior? Why should Meghan and Harry choose to live more simply? It's their life. They can and should choose to live it how they please. I also don't understand why people are begrudging them making an income, especially when they need the money for security as has been stated repeatedly.

52 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

I'm curious -- how would they earn money? Unless Meghan can pick up another acting gig I'm curious how they'd actually survive. Can they just go get a job at Walmart? I don't think so.

Right? They can't win. "Get a job! No, not that job!" 

Edited March 8, 2021 by PepSinger

[Enero]

Just now, Growsonwalls said:

I'm curious -- how would they earn money? Unless Meghan can pick up another acting gig I'm curious how they'd actually survive. Can they just go get a job at Walmart? I don't think so.

The bigger question is how would they reasonably protect themselves and their family? That’s the crux of this. As mentioned in the interview and what we already knew, the death threats Harry and Meghan get are serious and scary. Living in a two bedroom apartment in a small town outside of Santa Barbara would put them at tremendous risk. This is why they needed to be doing very well financially for security reasons. 

[Growsonwalls]

Serena posted this:

 

[pivot]

The royal family had better be really careful in how they push back on this. It’s clear the relationships between William and Harry and Charles and Harry are broken.  If they try to lie about Meghan again, the gloves will come off. And Meghan mentioned several times that she has letters, notes and email documentation. She kept receipts.

[GHScorpiosRule]

The thing that struck out for me was the LACK OF SOCIAL DISTANCING between Meghan, Oprah, and Harry in those clips when they were in the cage where the chickens were. Too close and none of them wearing masks. 

It's interesting that Oprah said no questions were off the table, and Meghan nodded, that she understood that. But did she agree she would answer them all? I don't think she did, so a lot of ambiguity, but Harry flat out said he wouldn't reveal who in the family he had that conversation about Archie's skin color.

I'm not sure what I think about the majority of this, really. I'm not a royal watcher; I hear and see some things rarely, as I don't delve into it. But that Meghan was totally unaware? I just know growing up, how we, in the U.S., were just inundated with news about Diana, and it didn't stop after her death. 

And really, Oprah? Theirs was the most beautiful wedding? Okay, maybe for you. But I was awed (okay, I was a tween) with Diana and Charles' wedding, even if I thought he was fugly.

[Dani]

1 minute ago, Runningwild said:

I disagree. I think they do want us to feel sorry for them and they don’t have to make these deals. They could just choose to live more simply. 

Why should they have to live more simply? There is nothing wrong with them wanting to maintain something close to what he was born into. When the funds went away they found another way to maintain that lifestyle. It feels that people want them to not accept any family money and not earn an income. What other options are there?

[PepSinger]

1 minute ago, Growsonwalls said:

Serena posted this:

 

EXCELLENT tweet by Serena, especially talking about the mental health consequences of systemic oppression. It's so real.

[Growsonwalls]

Yeah, I never get these "live more simply" demands. No one demands that Lebron go back to Akron to live in a one-BR apartment he grew up in. If they inked deals that allow them to live in a mansion with chickens in the BY, more power to them.

[Irlandesa]

27 minutes ago, Dani said:

I don’t think they are asking anyone to feel sorry for them. I thought it was more an explanation of why they are making deals. Many people want them to be independent but criticize them for earning an income. 

I didn't see the interview so I might not be the best person to respond to this but did Harry claim they were making Netflix deals because Charles cut him off? 

If he did, I kind of thing he is trying to make people feel sorry for them, especially considering they were the ones who put out the initial statement about living "independently" when they first opted to leave when it appears that is not what they meant.  That should be the reason he's making deals.  Not because he was "cut off."

[MerBearHou]

I must have missed it — when Meghan said that she was asked about the color of Archie’s skin and Oprah was surprised and said “who said this?”, did Meghan answer who?

[PepSinger]

3 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I didn't see the interview so I might not be the best person to respond to this but did Harry claim they were making Netflix deals because Charles cut him off? 

If he did, I kind of thing he is trying to make people feel sorry for them, especially considering they were the ones who put out the initial statement about living "independently" when they first opted to leave when it appears that is not what they meant.  That should be the reason he's making deals.  Not because he was "cut off."

A decision was made to revoke royal security while they were in Canada. Due to threats, they cannot be without security, so they accepted Tyler Perry's offer to live in his house and use his security while they figured things out. I really didn't take it that Harry was upset about the money. It seemed that he was upset because they were in danger and abruptly had no security. Regardless of "working royal status," you'd expect your family to want to keep you safe.

Edited March 8, 2021 by PepSinger

[Enero]

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

The thing that struck out for me was the LACK OF SOCIAL DISTANCING between Meghan, Oprah, and Harry in those clips when they were in the cage where the chickens were. Too close and none of them wearing masks. 

I’m betting they all got Covid tests before they started filming. Hence the lack of social distancing while in the cages. 

[Arkay]

3 minutes ago, Growsonwalls said:

Yeah, I never get these "live more simply" demands. No one demands that Lebron go back to Akron to live in a one-BR apartment he grew up in. If they inked deals that allow them to live in a mansion with chickens in the BY, more power to them.

LeBron earned his money through hard work and talent. Harry didn't do anything but be born, and then he "earned" it by doing his royal duties. Once he decided not to carry out those functions, why should he still be paid the same way or have access to the former things? Meghan earned her money, too, as an actress, but she was small-time. Everything they have, even the ability to ink deals, is because of Harry's lineage. 

[DanaK]

3 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I must have missed it — when Meghan said that she was asked about the color of Archie’s skin and Oprah was surprised and said “who said this?”, did Meghan answer who?

No, she declined to name anyone, though some think it was Charles

[LexieLily]

7 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

It's interesting that Oprah said no questions were off the table, and Meghan nodded, that she understood that. But did she agree she would answer them all? I don't think she did, so a lot of ambiguity, but Harry flat out said he wouldn't reveal who in the family he had that conversation about Archie's skin color.

When Meghan first talked about those conversations to Oprah and said those conversations were with Harry, and then Harry flat out refused to mention what was said, I inferred from that, sadly, that while there was garden-variety awful racist things said it was the "safe" version of events that he told Meghan. Perhaps there are other things that were said that Harry didn't even tell Meghan because he wanted so badly to protect her.

[Irlandesa]

2 minutes ago, PepSinger said:

I really didn't take it that Harry was upset about the money. It seemed that he was upset because they were in danger and abruptly had no security. Regardless of "working royal status," you'd expect your family to want to keep you safe.

True but a security detail is also money/support.  Anyway.  I won't go further since most of that discussion is more appropriate for the royal thread but thanks for clarifying what was said.

[BW Manilowe]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

He is in exactly the same position as William's children. They are known as Prince George, Princess Charlotte and Prince Louie.

Regarding the bolded: The young Prince’s name is said as if it has an E on the end, but it’s spelled like it has an S on the end, like in Saint Louis.

[Dr.OO7]

2 hours ago, nichelle said:

 

That long pause when Oprah asked him about his relationship with his father was painful. It's bad enough he and William are estranged, it's a shame he and his father are too.

[Enero]

12 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

I didn't see the interview so I might not be the best person to respond to this but did Harry claim they were making Netflix deals because Charles cut him off? 

If he did, I kind of thing he is trying to make people feel sorry for them, especially considering they were the ones who put out the initial statement about living "independently" when they first opted to leave when it appears that is not what they meant.  That should be the reason he's making deals.  Not because he was "cut off."

He said they wouldn’t have been able to make the exit without having the money his mother left him. The problem with Charles cutting him off was the security issue. The way Harry talk when they announced they were leaving the firm, they were informed that security would be cut off immediately. While this was happening it had been leaked to the public exactly where they were living in Canada. So basically they were up the creek without a pedal. 

Thank goodness for Tyler Perry who lended them his home and provided security until they could figure things out. 

It sounded like they were truly hoping to continue on as part time royals but living in Australia or South Africa, but when that was denied they were kind of left scrambling. The Netflix deals etc. were not planned but suggested by friends etc. as ways for them to make money. Like others have said I don’t think they’re attempting to get pity from people. Oprah asked the questions and they answered. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Enero

[PepSinger]

I also want to say that you have to be a special kind of asshole to stop taking your son's calls when you know that his family is in danger and that your daughter-in-law is suicidal. Like, what in the actual fuck?

[Growsonwalls]

4 minutes ago, PepSinger said:

I also want to say that you have to be a special kind of asshole to stop taking your son's calls when you know that his family is in danger and that your daughter-in-law is suicidal. Like, what in the actual fuck?

Ok NOT defending Charles but when he was a child and struggling in school or sick his mother would deliberately not see him or take his calls to "toughen him up." 

That aristocratic way of child rearing is all sorts of fucked up.

[Ms Blue Jay]

Ok but Charles is like 100 now, please

[Dani]

1 hour ago, Irlandesa said:

I didn't see the interview so I might not be the best person to respond to this but did Harry claim they were making Netflix deals because Charles cut him off? 

If he did, I kind of thing he is trying to make people feel sorry for them, especially considering they were the ones who put out the initial statement about living "independently" when they first opted to leave when it appears that is not what they meant.  That should be the reason he's making deals.  Not because he was "cut off."

It wasn’t that direct a statement. He said that it wasn’t their original intention and that Netflix wasn’t even on their radar. That he needed an income to protect his family and a friend suggested a streaming deal while they were living off his inheritance after being cutoff. It was more of a explanation of how it came about than a we did it because of my dad statement. They received a lot of criticism for the Netflix deal. People wanted them to be independent but also to not profit off their fame. That’s just not realistic.

The poorly worded living independent statement was always about receiving public money. 

Edited March 8, 2021 by Dani

[Enero]

1 minute ago, Growsonwalls said:

Ok NOT defending Charles but when he was a child and struggling in school or sick his mother would deliberately not see him or take his calls to "toughen him up." 

That aristocratic way of child rearing is all sorts of fucked up.

But this wasn’t child rearing. Harry is a grown man. He was attempting, I’m assuming to work something out with his father regarding the security of his family. Refusing to take his calls was as @Growsonwalls said f*cked up. 

[DearEvette]

Forgot to mention my other big surprise of the interview.  That Meghan’s first job at age 13 was at a frozen yogurt place called ‘Humphrey Yogart’ which —btw— is a cool name for a frozen yogurt place.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I don't know if I misheard, but I scheduled my dvr anyway, but at the end, Oprah said there wasn't enough time to include everything, so she'll be showing unseen footage tomorrow morning with Gayle.

[MerBearHou]

23 minutes ago, DanaK said:

No, she declined to name anyone, though some think it was Charles

Interesting.  So one can just say these things and not back it up with specifics?

[Growsonwalls]

After watching this interview I worry more about Harry than Meghan. Meghan seems to be made of sterner stuff. 

[scarynikki12]

1 minute ago, MerBearHou said:

Interesting.  So one can just say these things and not back it up with specifics?

It was said to Harry and he told Meghan about it. He refused to say who it was and she's respecting that choice.

[Lsk02]

Just now, MerBearHou said:

Interesting.  So one can just say these things and not back it up with specifics?

It was originally a discussion Harry had with a member of his family, and he told Meghan about it. It wasn’t her place to say who it was, and later Harry told Oprah he does not want to discuss it. I get the feeling that even with all the hurt, he does not want to out whoever said it.

[Ms Blue Jay]

I believe Meghan knows who it is and she said "I think it would be very damaging to them".  Both are not going to say who it is publicly.

[MerBearHou]

1 minute ago, Lsk02 said:

It was originally a discussion Harry had with a member of his family, and he told Meghan about it. It wasn’t her place to say who it was, and later Harry told Oprah he does not want to discuss it. I get the feeling that even with all the hurt, he does not want to out whoever said it.

I do not believe anyone said those words to Harry about his unborn baby’s skin color.  No. Way.  

So much gaslighting going on, you could light up New York City.

Agreed with the above, Meghan is made of sterner stuff.  She’s very tough.

[Ms Blue Jay]

People have said so much worse in the press.  Why would it be unbelievable?  The idea is both Harry and Meghan are colluding and making up this lie and sharing it publicly?  That's...... whew.... 

I think some are confused about Harry going to people for help.  He said that he went up to Senior Members in the institution (?????) but he was too ashamed to tell his family.  (Who is the institution?  Who are those people?)

Edited March 8, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Dani]

I actually would have been more surprised if no one had said anything about Archie’s potential skin color. I was actually surprised that people were so shocked about it. 

3 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

Agreed with the above, Meghan is made of sterner stuff.  She’s very tough.

Tough people struggle. 

[Growsonwalls]

4 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I do not believe anyone said those words to Harry about his unborn baby’s skin color.  No. Way.  

So much gaslighting going on, you could light up New York City.

Agreed with the above, Meghan is made of sterner stuff.  She’s very tough.

Uh ... why isn't this possible?

A bit of context: I teach in an inner city high school. Most of the students are black or Hispanic. Skin tone is obsessed over in very unhealthy ways. Darker-skinned girls have difficulties finding a "boo" because of the heavy stigma against dark-skinned girls. And this is all within race. It's not unbelievable at all that very white, very elite people say assy, offensive things about skin tone.

[PepSinger]

7 minutes ago, MerBearHou said:

I do not believe anyone said those words to Harry about his unborn baby’s skin color.  No. Way.  

I want to live where you do if you think no one would say such a thing to Harry about his child's skin color. 

[Lsk02]

Are we being gaslighted about the British headlines saying she’s trailer trash, straight outta Compton, or depicting her newborn child as a monkey, too?