Oprah with Harry and Meghan: A CBS Primetime Special

[Kromm]

17 minutes ago, Rickster said:

I don’t have the energy to try to track all the dates in that article, but based on the dates, it appears 3 or 4 of the 13 trips quoted were pre marriage if they were married in May 2018. 

Even if that's true, the story deliberately obfuscates and conflates things in a dishonest way to push the "it doesn't add up" thesis. 

Look at the OTHER part of the article. A "Royal Author" ADMITS that the passport would be taken away for security reasons then harps on the fact that it would be needed for certain trips we all know she took after being married. 

Completely dodging Meghan's actual point that she had to ASK for her passport, and have someone agree to give it to her to make those trips. 

The article is just happy to use the EXISTANCE of those trips to "prove" that "it doesn't add up" that she didn't have control over her own passport... while actually containing an expert quote that ADMITS she likely didn't have control of her own passport. 

Am I crazy concluding this story thus illustrates an agenda of undermining her, despite the facts? And this was YESTERDAY, not something written in the distant past. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Kromm

[PepSinger]

3 minutes ago, Kromm said:

Am I crazy concluding this story thus illustrates an agenda of undermining her, despite the facts? 

Nope, you’re not. They stay telling on themselves.

[PepSinger]

William says the family isn’t racist.

Well, then, if William says it, then it must be true!

Also — funny how he couldn’t open his mouth to defend Meghan, but now he can speak?

[ifionlyknew]

37 minutes ago, Kromm said:

First line/thesis of the article: "MEGHAN had at least 13 foreign holidays after being welcomed into the royal fold — despite telling Oprah Winfrey her passport was taken away." 

When the Royal Family travel are they even having to show their passport?  I assumed they took Meghan's passport from her so she couldn't travel outside of England without them knowing about it.   My understanding is the men in gray suits (as Diana called them) like to control the women who marry into the family.

[Kromm]

Just now, ifionlyknew said:

When the Royal Family travel are they even having to show their passport?  I assumed they took Meghan's passport from her so she couldn't travel outside of England without them knowing about it.   My understanding is the men in gray suits (as Diana called them) like to control the women who marry into the family.

Supposedly only the Queen doesn't have to show a passport. 

I believe it. 

The real point isn't whether or not Meghan traveled, or had to show a passport, the point is how this tiny detail from the Interview is being elevated in importance and twisted by a clearly biased newspaper (unintentionally proving OTHER points she made about press bias in the Interview). 

Of course she traveled. She never claimed she didn't. Of course she used a passport. She never claimed she didn't. But the attempt to recraft what she DID say about having to ask permission for everything as a "it doesn't add up" (code talk for "she's a liar")... now THAT'S the issue. Creating a false narrative to cast her as a liar based on nothing. 

[ifionlyknew]

2 minutes ago, Kromm said:

The real point isn't whether or not Meghan traveled, or had to show a passport, the point is how this tiny detail from the Interview is being elevated in importance and twisted by a clearly biased newspaper (unintentionally proving OTHER points she made about press bias in the Interview). 

If they lie about the little things they will lie about the big things.   And the reason the lies continued was because the Firm wouldn't let them issue a statement saying something was untrue. It must have been incredibly hard for Meghan who had always been an outspoken advocate for a lot of causes to suddenly be silenced and unable to speak up for herself.

[Ohiopirate02]

10 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:

If they lie about the little things they will lie about the big things.   And the reason the lies continued was because the Firm wouldn't let them issue a statement saying something was untrue. It must have been incredibly hard for Meghan who had always been an outspoken advocate for a lot of causes to suddenly be silenced and unable to speak up for herself.

The whole supposed Royal Family motto of "never complain, never explain" has always been more of a guideline.  Anyone in the family or one of their fronts could have released a statement at anytime to quash the lies.  They chose not to.  I am not surprised to hear that Meghan chafed against this.  Who wouldn't?  The Firm put her into an untenable position, and at some point she was going to break.  They had to know this.  

[ifionlyknew]

11 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The Firm put her into an untenable position, and at some point she was going to break.  They had to know this.  

More likely they counted on this.  Then they could say see how unsuitable Meghan is for royal life.

 

[PeterPirate]

1 hour ago, Kromm said:

Here's an example of how in real time (meaning AFTER the Interview and accusations about press treatment being out there) the British Press still can't help but twist, lie, and distort things to make Meghan look bad. 

First, look at this article:  DOESN'T ADD UP Meghan Markle and Prince Harry enjoyed 13 holidays despite saying her passport was taken away  

That made me think of another one of my previous posts: 

On 2/5/2021 at 10:05 AM, PeterPirate said:

Whodunit?  

Meghan Markle's Name Was Removed From Archie's Birth Certificate But Not at Her Request
https://www.eonline.com/news/1233163/meghan-markles-name-was-removed-from-archies-birth-certificate-but-not-at-her-request

 

Meghan Markle secretly erases her first names from Archie’s birth certificate
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13898457/meghan-markle-erases-first-names-from-archie-birth-certificate/

It does seem The Sun is out to smear Meghan.  It's a Rupert Murdoch paper, which makes sense.  Maybe they will launch their own TV show so Piers Morgan will have a job.  

[CountryGirl]

51 minutes ago, PepSinger said:

William says the family isn’t racist.

Well, then, if William says it, then it must be true!

Also — funny how he couldn’t open his mouth to defend Meghan, but now he can speak?

"We're very much not a racist family" was his response to the interview. That and he hasn't spoken to Harry but he will?

He's as terrible as the rest of the BRF at statements, including the pretty awful one his grandmother put out in response to the interview.

If the royals are very much NOT a racist family (which, yes, they are), then why in the bluedillyfuck did he not say one word when his nephew or sister-in-law and his brother, by extension of being the father of one and husband to the other, were viciously attacked? Not even when a chimp was photo-shopped in for Archie's first public appearance photo?

Why did he not capitalize on the golden opportunity he was given in this most recent statement, following the interview, to acknowledge the racism against his brother's family? Not even taking ownership of some of that but just to say, "it's so terrible what they've been through."

Instead he scoffed and couldn't brush off the questions fast enough and on top of the terrible response to the racism question, his also dismissing speaking to Harry and making talking to his own brother as something to check off a list. 

Kate's lack of expression because mask or not, you can see or not see it all in someone's eyes, shows she couldn't give one fuck about any of this. Eyes on the prize. I really can't imagine selling my soul, including looking the other way while my husband cheats, for a tiara and title. 

And them having a black woman (aka "see, we're not racist?" prop) in their photo opp is some shit. I would give anything to know what she was thinking.

[sadie]

49 minutes ago, PepSinger said:

William says the family isn’t racist.

Well, then, if William says it, then it must be true!

Also — funny how he couldn’t open his mouth to defend Meghan, but now he can speak?

They just dig their hole deeper don’t they. Why would it have been so hard for him to say “we are not racists. The treatment of Meghan by the British press has been appalling and needs to change. Our country is made up of a diverse mix of people and their inability to accept Meghan has been disheartening. We did not realize the depth of pain this caused my brother and his wife but we will work now towards healing. For the monarchy to move forward the representation of ALL our citizens must be held to a higher standard.”

Yes, I know I’m dreaming. And once again, the fact that this same press has not eviscerated Prince (cough cough) Andrew for openly associating with a known pedophile and sex trafficker just further shows the issue with their rotten press Corp.

I thought the most interesting part of Oprah’s interview was where they showed the side by side press of Kate and Meghan, Kate holds her baby bump it’s endearing, Meghan does it and it’s disgusting. C’mon royal family - the fact that you ignore what is very obvious is the whole problem. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

Is the royal family racist?
William :  No
Do you speak to your brother (who married a Black woman and left the country because of racism)
William:  No

😄

[CountryGirl]

I also think Harry was doing his best to explain what happened but also trying to protect his brother in that interview (to the extent that he could), with these comments: "You know, as I’ve said before, I love William to bits. He’s my brother. We’ve been through hell together. I mean, we have a shared experience. But we . . . you know, we’re on . . . we’re on different paths." 

Those comments allow for some plausible deniability for Will's supporters that he couldn't possibly have been a part of the racist conversations, including about Archie's skin tone. Considering Will is likely to be king for much longer than Charles, Harry did a huge favor to the monarchy there.

I also think, where Will is concerned, that people still see him as that teenage boy many of us watched walking behind his mother's cortege. But while I don't doubt that Will loved his mother very much and continues to grieve for her and miss her, he's not that boy anymore and he hasn't been for a very long time. It seems to me how right Harry was with his "we're on different paths" remark as the older they've gotten, I see very little of Diana's boy in Will. He's very much his father's son and of course some of that is because he will be king someday. With Harry, I see both of his parents, but Diana especially, never more obvious as in this interview and in his actions to fight for his wife and child.

[ifionlyknew]

7 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Is the royal family racist?
William :  No

If you are ever asked that question it means there is reason to think you are.  Where there is smoke there is fire.

5 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

I see very little of Diana's boy in Will. He's very much his father's son and of course some of that is because he will be king someday. With Harry, I see both of his parents, but Diana especially, never more obvious as in this interview and in his actions to fight for his wife and child.

I agree.  Will joined the family business. Harry wants to strike out on his own. In the long run I think Harry will end up being happier.

[Kromm]

51 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

The whole supposed Royal Family motto of "never complain, never explain" has always been more of a guideline.

I scoff at this supposed motto, because it's literally been proven in plain sight for the entire lifetime of these boys how damaging that attitude is. Because their MOTHER and FATHER helped prove that the public trusts and loves the honestly vulnerable over the stiff upper lip emotionless. 

Yesterday, the wonderful Ranvir Singh, sitting in the Good Morning Britain chair that a mere day before had been filled by the putrid Piers Morgan, said it pretty well when she put a question to guests (including the disgusting Paul Burrell, endless betrayer of Diana's confidence and memory). She basically asked if the Monarchy is now a total facade, where essentially nobody likes or trusts anyone but the figurehead, the Queen, what's the point of it? 

 

"We're paying millions for a facade!" 

"We pay for what it all looks like and actually on the inside, they are all rattling around deeply dysfunctional and deeply unhappy." 

"Do we really want that to represent our country anymore?" 

 

That's what "never complain, never explain" got them. They're cold and calculating and they're not traits the British public admires.  And they're fools because that's been crystal clear for over 30 years. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Kromm

[WinnieWinkle]

In the thread about royalty someone speculated about the cost of the dress Meghan was wearing and basically concluded if she can afford a dress that costs $$$ then why are they worried about paying for security.  Sigh.  Leaving aside that the one has nothing to do with the other - and the costs connected with security are not a current concern - where was the concern about what Harry was wearing and what it might have cost.  It's always about the women.  If you are in the public eye you are going to be scrutinized about your appearance and you are also going to be held to some standard where you rise or fall depending on how much your dress cost.  I mean seriously Meghan could not win here - if she'd worn a dress bought off the peg from Sears or even a higher end but less expensive dress shop it would have been "Nice try Meghan pretending you're dressing like regular people".  

Edited March 11, 2021 by WinnieWinkle

[emma675]

I saw William's comments this morning and went to a royal reporter's Twitter account to see the video. Then I made the mistake of reading some of the comments. I had no idea people were so completely over the top, balls to the wall insane about an out of date monarchy that has very little to no effect on their lives. It was kind of shocking. The majority of the comments were slamming Meghan and Harry, claiming they made up the entire thing, that the royal family couldn't possibly be racist, that Harry is deliberately hurting William, Diana would be ashamed of Harry, now William's kids are receiving threats and it's Meghan and Harry's fault, etc. I just don't get why people get so wrapped up in this family, it's insane. I'll admit to following some royal stuff, but it's mainly fashion accounts that show what Kate/Meghan/Letizia/etc. are wearing or what jewels and tiaras they wear to big events. 

It's no wonder Harry and Meghan were so upset at the lack of security for their family if what I read is just scratching the surface of the craziness. 

[kieyra]

7 minutes ago, emma675 said:

I had no idea people were so completely over the top, balls to the wall insane

Ah: the internet. 😕

[Ellaria Sand]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

"We're very much not a racist family" was his response to the interview. That and he hasn't spoken to Harry but he will?

He's as terrible as the rest of the BRF at statements, including the pretty awful one his grandmother put out in response to the interview.

Yeah - he is bad at it. That was basically a "yes or no" question. Did anyone expect that he would say anything other than no?

1 hour ago, sadie said:

They just dig their hole deeper don’t they. Why would it have been so hard for him to say “we are not racists. The treatment of Meghan by the British press has been appalling and needs to change. Our country is made up of a diverse mix of people and their inability to accept Meghan has been disheartening. We did not realize the depth of pain this caused my brother and his wife but we will work now towards healing. For the monarchy to move forward the representation of ALL our citizens must be held to a higher standard.”

This is a more appropriate response. Yes or no doesn't cut it. It would have been nice to hear him say something that implied a greater awareness about diversity in the UK and the Commonwealth. 

I know that some will disagree but this isn't a good look for William. 

[Enero]

1 hour ago, sadie said:

They just dig their hole deeper don’t they. Why would it have been so hard for him to say “we are not racists. The treatment of Meghan by the British press has been appalling and needs to change. Our country is made up of a diverse mix of people and their inability to accept Meghan has been disheartening. We did not realize the depth of pain this caused my brother and his wife but we will work now towards healing. For the monarchy to move forward the representation of ALL our citizens must be held to a higher standard.”

Yes, I know I’m dreaming. And once again, the fact that this same press has not eviscerated Prince (cough cough) Andrew for openly associating with a known pedophile and sex trafficker just further shows the issue with their rotten press Corp.

I thought the most interesting part of Oprah’s interview was where they showed the side by side press of Kate and Meghan, Kate holds her baby bump it’s endearing, Meghan does it and it’s disgusting. C’mon royal family - the fact that you ignore what is very obvious is the whole problem. 

I don’t think William is that quick on his feet to come up with such an eloquent response on the fly. I don’t expect any of them to say “yes we are racist.” Their response will always be a flat out no if a response is given.  I think it would’ve been best if William had not commented at all, but his emotions likely got the better of him. Or perhaps the whole encounter and question was staged as some are speculating. 

I do agree. A formal statement from the palace that align more with what you said would’ve gone over so much better than once again denying the obvious and running and hiding behind the “this is a private matter” trope. But as was stated in the interview there is a deep fear within the royal family of the British media. If they came for the media’s treatment of Meghan, how would said media respond? I suspect the tabloids know where the bodies are buried so to speak. And if the RF came for them they’d let it be known, who has been throwing whom to the wolves. So we’ll likely continue to see these haphazard attempts to “respond” and display “woke” and sensitive attitudes about multiculturalism from the RF as a way to navigate this PR nightmare, without addressing the issues at all.

@DkNNy79 I saw those interviews as well and the older white gentleman who appalling stated that he didn’t believe the royal family could be racist. I was thinking ‘dude do you not know the history of your great nation.’ All you can do is SMDH at the ignorance. It was somewhat comforting to see that individuals from the younger generation seemed to be more enlightened about race and discrimination.

 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Enero

[Evie]

3 hours ago, PepSinger said:

William says the family isn’t racist.

Well, then, if William says it, then it must be true!

Also — funny how he couldn’t open his mouth to defend Meghan, but now he can speak?

I read this and hear "We're the least racist family I know" which is what racists say, and in William's case, may be true because I'm sure he knows some VERY racist families. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Evie

[Kromm]

1 minute ago, Evie said:

I read this and hear "We're the least racist family I know" which is what racists, and in William's case, may be true because I'm sure he knows some VERY racist families. 

And the woman of color in their photo opp is the "we have a lot of black friends" defense. 

[P2C2E]

The thing that gets me is that William and his PR team would have known 100% that he would get asked that question. And THAT was what they decided to go with?! Either that or he was told to keep his mouth shut and couldn't. Their PR team is clearly shit if they couldn't craft a better statement, or even sentence, for William to respond to a question EVERYONE knew was coming. 

Same for the question about speaking to Harry. Just don't answer that! Or have a better answer than just no.

I'm not a PR person and even I know this is bad PR.

[CountryGirl]

It's not like any of us were expecting some huge statement by Will or any of the senior royals but his grandmother's official statement referenced that the issues raised in the interview, particularly race, are being taken very seriously and will be addressed opened the door for more than the crap answer he gave.

He could have simply said, "As the Queen said in her statement, we are taken these issues very seriously and have a lot more learning about racial issues to do as a family."

It acknowledges without admitting guilt. 

[DearEvette]

1 hour ago, WinnieWinkle said:

In the thread about royalty someone speculated about the cost of the dress Meghan was wearing and basically concluded if she can afford a dress that costs $$$ then why are they worried about paying for security.

Meghan and Harry were giving an exclusive sit down 2-hour interview in primetime on a Sunday night with Oprah in one of the most highly anticipated interviews.  Designers were probably climbing over each other in stilletos to give her something to wear.  17 million people saw that dress.  I mean Bobby Brady's (or was it Peter?) chairs they were sitting on were sold out by Tuesday!  She wouldn't have need to paid for that dress anymore than Serena would have paid for the penthouse suite she threw Archie's baby shower in.  That sort of publicity gets you shit that is comped!

26 minutes ago, Enero said:

I don’t think William is that quick on his feet to come up with such an eloquent response on the fly. I don’t expect any of them to say “yes we are racist.” Their response will always be a flat out no if a response is given.  I think it would’ve been best if William had not commented at all, but his emotions likely got the better of him. Or perhaps the whole encounter and question was staged as some are speculating. 

This speaks a little bit to Harry's incredulousness that the BRF would not use Meghan's popularity during their Oceania tour to their advantage.  They are calcified in their thinking.  I am sure the party line is that they never defend anything in the press.  So William is used to swanning above and never having to dignify anything.  But when forced to address something directly and on the fly he simply does not have the tools to do it well. 

And this is where their backward thinking is beginning to really work against them and they'll really become obsolete of they can't pivot with the times.  Believe what you will about Meghan and Harry's interview, but you can't deny it was a masterclass in how to address an issue and redirect a conversation.  In the aftermath of that interview, they managed to shift the conversation solely away from Meghan being this destructive Jezebel to issues racism and mental health and how the palace failed on both those fronts.  They managed to put the palace on the defensive.  And also, look at how the conversation on mental health -- Meghan's vulnerability in opening up about jer own suicidal thoughts -- became the defining issue in ousting her nemesis Piers Morgan from his cushy GMB spot.   And while some people do still dig in and want to talk about how terrible Meghan is, the louder more persistent voices are talking about racism and mental health.  It is an instructive lesson on how one can leverage  personal charisma in the public sphere.  Meanwhile in contrast, look at how disastrous Andrew's interview was in the aftermath of the discovery of his connection to Jeffrey Epstein.  The royals have never had to be persuasive.  They are sitting on centuries of tradition and brainwashing and letting the mystique of the monarchy do all the work.  But that can only work for so long.

[estellasmum]

3 hours ago, PepSinger said:

William says the family isn’t racist.

Well, then, if William says it, then it must be true!

Also — funny how he couldn’t open his mouth to defend Meghan, but now he can speak?

Ok. Does that mean that he isn't including his grandpa or the vile Princess Michael of Kent? I mean a quick Google of Prince Phillip pulls up articles like "The Priceless Racism of the Duke of Edinburgh", "Prince Phillip's Racist Quotes: Ranked", "Prince Phillip's Racist Past" and so on and so on. (These used to be first page things if you did Google it, but now you have to go pretty far back to find them with all that's been going on the past few days.) There even used to be a You Tube video of the most racist things he said, but I see it is gone now. I read those before Meghan was even on the scene. And, honestly, the less said about Princess Michael of Kent, the better. Blackamoor Broach, everyone.

[Lady Whistleup]

27 minutes ago, LucindaWalsh said:

.Harry is an emotionally and intellectually stunted idiot moron in general, a terrible husband and a horrible brother. Harry and Meghan seem to be either woefully ignorant or deliberately obtuse in their takeaways of what happens around them, regarding royal family, royal protocols, royal whatever. He is a horrible husband because instead of taking on the racist taunts about his family himself and protecting Meghan, he used his mother's death to help spiral the situation. I believe that given time, Meghan could have made a difference in how the royals moved forward in a lot of ways. Instead we had a silly weak man helping to cause havoc on her mental health and a couple that desired unbridled wealth.

Meghan would have been wise to talk with Priscilla Presley before falling for Harry. She could have warned her about men with their mothers are saints issues.

Doria Alexandra Mary Loyce would be a fantastic name for the little girl. Don't hinder the child with anything to do with Harry's fears about his mother and her life. 

I would giggle if they included "Edith" among their names. Archie and Edith Bunker ... 

You touched about something about Harry that I noticed: when he talked about his decision to leave he brings up his mother as the first reason. I have a feeling he doesn't see Meghan as Meghan, but rather Meghan as a project with which he can conquer his demons. If he saves Meghan from a horrible fate in a Paris tunnel, then he's at peace. But life doesn't work that way. Diana was Diana. Meghan is Meghan. 

That's an unfair burden to Meghan to have to constantly alter her way of life because Harry thinks that one paparazzi shot in a magazine is the same as being chased in a Paris tunnel.

Also did you notice the frostiness between Oprah and Harry? It was weird. Oprah was very at home with Meghan but when Harry joined she seemed to clam up.

[WinnieWinkle]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

That's an unfair burden to Meghan to have to constantly alter her way of life because Harry thinks that one paparazzi shot in a magazine is the same as being chased in a Paris tunnel.

I think the issues with the way Meghan has been treated are far more serious than one paparazzi shot in a magazine but getting into this would stray very far off the topic of the interview itself.  Suffice to say that IMO Harry is handling his own life and is looking out for the most important people in that life.  I felt the interview should have (but sadly won't of course) finally put to rest the nonsense that Harry is being manipulated by the evil scheming Meghan.  

[rcc]

I really believe Harry truly loves his wife and son above all else.

 

 

[CountryGirl]

3 minutes ago, rcc said:

I really believe Harry truly loves his wife and son above all else.

 

 

I do, too.

And just that look of joy on his face when he got to share with Oprah and the world that they are having a girl, just beautiful. As was Meghan's giddiness.

[ifionlyknew]

17 minutes ago, rcc said:

I really believe Harry truly loves his wife and son above all else.

 

 

Why is this so hard for people to believe?  He is the first member of the BRF that I genuinely believe does in fact love his family and will put them first.  

[Adiba]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I would giggle if they included "Edith" among their names. Archie and Edith Bunker ... 

You touched about something about Harry that I noticed: when he talked about his decision to leave he brings up his mother as the first reason. I have a feeling he doesn't see Meghan as Meghan, but rather Meghan as a project with which he can conquer his demons. If he saves Meghan from a horrible fate in a Paris tunnel, then he's at peace. But life doesn't work that way. Diana was Diana. Meghan is Meghan. 

That's an unfair burden to Meghan to have to constantly alter her way of life because Harry thinks that one paparazzi shot in a magazine is the same as being chased in a Paris tunnel.

Also did you notice the frostiness between Oprah and Harry? It was weird. Oprah was very at home with Meghan but when Harry joined she seemed to clam up.

I disagree that Harry doesn't see Meghan as herself. I think he does--he fell in love with someone who was who she was before she was part of the BRF. Does the trauma of his mother's death color his perspective? Of course, how could it not? I think a good husband puts the mental health of his wife and the safety of HIS family above all else--the crown, his titles, etc.

If one takes a look at the headlines of the UK tabloids regarding Meghan, one can easily see the undertones of racism, sexism and anti-Americanism. 

[DkNNy79]

1 hour ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Also did you notice the frostiness between Oprah and Harry? It was weird. Oprah was very at home with Meghan but when Harry joined she seemed to clam up.

Yes, she did seem a little more hostile to him at times.  Which surprised me because aren't they working on a project together?

[Hiyo]

“And just that look of joy on his face when he got to share with Oprah and the world that they are having a girl, just beautiful.”

Another thing for Charles to possibly resent about Harry...as per Diana, Charles would have rather his second child had been a girl. Also according to Diana, Charles was a bit weirded out by Harry’s red hair.

Edited March 11, 2021 by Hiyo

[Crashcourse]

So Harry blew up his family.  I hope he's satisfied.

[WinnieWinkle]

1 minute ago, Crashcourse said:

So Harry blew up his family. 

What I wonder about is couldn't the BRF have seen this coming?  It's not like this interview came two days after Harry left England. Are they so obtuse that they thought they could treat his wife and child in the way they did,  refuse his calls, cut him off financially,  and there would be no comeback?  That Harry would suck it up and move on with his life?  Or more likely I suspect thought he'd regret his decision and dump his wife and child(ren) and come back and all would be forgiven.  One thing this interview made clear is that Harry is prepared to make amends but on his own terms.  Good for him.

[Ohiopirate02]

22 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

So Harry blew up his family.  I hope he's satisfied.

Like the Windsor-Mountbattens were a bastion of loving, functional families.  The whole family has issues unrelated and related to them also being royals.  

[rcc]

31 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

“And just that look of joy on his face when he got to share with Oprah and the world that they are having a girl, just beautiful.”

Another thing for Charles to possibly resent about Harry...as per Diana, Charles would have rather his second child had been a girl. Also according to Diana, Charles was a bit weirded out by Harry’s red hair.

Charles is a terrible person IMO. The way he treated Diana. The cold treatment toward Harry. I think it was Charles who questioned the color of Archie's skin too.

[bosawks]

A blanket "We're not racists" before speaking to Meghan, Harry or preferably both just seems like an unforced PR error.

 

Edited March 12, 2021 by bosawks

[PeterPirate]

28 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

So Harry blew up his family.  I hope he's satisfied.

I imagine that Harry is well-satisfied.  

[Hiyo]

“I think it was Charles who questioned the color of Archie's skin too.”

If not, then probably Archie’s hair color (“Another ginger in the family? How ghastly”).

[SherriAnt]

I think Meghan is an actress who saw an opportunity for her "big role", grabbed it, and found out it there was a lot more to it than she realized. I don't believe she didn't know about the rules about meeting royalty. This is just my opinion, and of course I don't know any of them personally. I just really find her to be very disingenuous and quite fake. Except about loving her babies, that's obvious when she talks about them.

[DkNNy79]

25 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

What I wonder about is couldn't the BRF have seen this coming?  It's not like this interview came two days after Harry left England. Are they so obtuse that they thought they could treat his wife and child in the way they did,  refuse his calls, cut him off financially,  and there would be no comeback?  That Harry would suck it up and move on with his life?  Or more likely I suspect thought he'd regret his decision and dump his wife and child(ren) and come back and all would be forgiven.  One thing this interview made clear is that Harry is prepared to make amends but on his own terms.  Good for him.

I do think the BRF thought H&M would just suck it up and take the abuse and double standards.  I'm glad that Harry put Meghan and Archie first.  He will be better off mentally as well outside that toxic environment.

[CountryGirl]

14 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Like the Windsor-Mountbattens were a bastion of loving, functional families.  The whole family has issues unrelated and related to them also being royals.  

Spot on.

You have Phillip, the patriarch of the BRF, who is a known racist and misogynist. You have the Queen, who clearly is fine and dandy with all of that and favors Andrew, a known fucking pedophile rapist, that no amount of corgis, tiaras and "oh, look how cute she is, always carrying around her purse" can whitewash away. You have Charles, whom I have disliked for years but setting aside my Camilla "grudge" (which, whatever), he clearly couldn't give two shits about his younger son, daughter-in-law, or grandson as he's never lifted one finger or said one word against all of the vicious, racist vitriol spewed at them. And most recently refused to take his younger son's phone calls.  But this is Charles after all, who bitched about Diana using the boys to prop herself up, yet has, hypocrite as always, used them far more (most notably by essentially forcing grieving boys to walk with him behind Diana's cortege) or thrown them under the bus, depending which way the wind was blowing and which action would benefit him more. Then you have Will, who sacrificed his own brother, sister-in-law, and nephew because he and "look the other way Kate" couldn't stand being eclipsed by Harry and Meghan because he is the future king, don't you know? Add in his probable cheating and wanting to deflect from that by any means necessary and I think they're both garbage people. I mean, if you can't stand up for an innocent child, which is the very least you could do, really, as recently as his "comments" re the interview, then I simply have no use for you. Add in their horrible treatment of Diana (who was not a saint but she did not deserve how she was treated just as Meghan and Harry haven't deserved this) and what else is there to say?

Honestly, I'd love if this was the catalyst to finally see this archaic, antiquated, ridiculous (because what exactly have ANY of these people done to deserve their position, status, and wealth except for the right sperm) institution be abolished. And I am far from the only one thinking along these lines.

So again, what was there to blow up, exactly?

[WinnieWinkle]

4 minutes ago, SherriAnt said:

I think Meghan is an actress who saw an opportunity for her "big role", grabbed it, and found out it there was a lot more to it than she realized.

Even if that's true  (which is the Big Debate really where Meghan Markle is concerned) it sounds like you are agreeing that "a lot more to it than she realized" is that she didn't bargain on racism and being told to sit down and shut up where her mental health was concerned. 

[CountryGirl]

5 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Even if that's true  (which is the Big Debate really where Meghan Markle is concerned) it sounds like you are agreeing that "a lot more to it than she realized" is that she didn't bargain on racism and being told to sit down and shut up where her mental health was concerned. 

Yes. Even Harry sharing what happened to his mother could have in no way prepared Meghan. Diana was royal adjacent for her entire life and she wasn't a bit prepared for what life was like inside palace walls, but even that cautionary tale would not have applied to Meghan - an American, biracial divorcee. 

And it was one thing for Phillip to make his racist comments, et al, but for them to treat Harry's intended and later wife like that? Does anyone really think Harry went into that relationship thinking that they would be racist towards her? Or their child? 

[Hiyo]

“Diana was royal adjacent for her entire life and she wasn't a bit prepared for what life was like inside palace walls, but even that cautionary tale would not have applied to Meghan - an American, biracial divorcee.”

If Diana, an English, white, virgin, and daughter of a peer faced all that, what hope did Meghan have? How could it not be a cautionary tale? I suppose at the time people wanted to believe the fantasy that Harry and Meghan’s union would modernize the RF and possibly begin a new era for the UK as well.

[Cocoa Puff]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

So Harry blew up his family.  I hope he's satisfied.

Family isn't everything, just because someone is family doesn't give them a pass to be disrespectful, mean, or in this case racist.  Also one will have to distance themselves from toxic family weather it's your parents, siblings, uncle/aunt's for their own peace and mental health.

[Umbelina]

59 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Like the Windsor-Mountbattens were a bastion of loving, functional families.  The whole family has issues unrelated and related to them also being royals.  

Exactly.  The Saxe-Coburg-Gotha family and the Battenburgs had plenty of issues before Diana, let alone Meghan, came along.

I think "the family" turned it's back on Harry long before he finally "turned his back on them." 

 

Edited March 11, 2021 by Umbelina

[Kromm]

1 hour ago, Crashcourse said:

So Harry blew up his family.  I hope he's satisfied.

Sure. He blew up his disloyal family of users and abusers, for the newer family he formed, his wife and kid(s) who clear as day, actually love him.