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S12.E05: Last Night Was Magic

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15 hours ago, Blissfool said:

I wonder what Chris (and production) would have done if Paige was the one who found out she was six weeks pregnant on the honeymoon. 🤔

He would have been happy because the others would be supportive of him instead of Paige 😄 

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On 2/12/2021 at 8:07 AM, lh25 said:

She needs to run.  Not just because of the baby, but because of how he is behaving.  I have a cousin who married a man who acts like that, and her life is coddling him and making excuses to everyone for how he behaves.  I couldn't do it.  Not sure how/why she does.

She SHOULD but, IMO, she won't because she's becoming enthralled with always being the "martyr" to a "bad boy" and, again, IMO, thinking and hoping against hope that her "love" will "change him for the better."

This is a typical "co-dependent" behavior that is very dysfunctional and almost never succeeds (some exceptions, of course).  She will constantly be trying to "rescue, fix and caretake" her errant boy/man "husband" until she's broke (let's not forget that his financial clout seems very transitory and mostly delusional), exhausted and emotionally devastated. 

You cannot "fix" another person.  You can only "fix" your response to the other person's behavior.  His choices will likely lead both of them into the depths of difficulty and distress; however, I believe Paige will stick like glue to Chris until she gets a "clue" about his viability as a husband.

 

 

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On 2/11/2021 at 7:41 AM, Silver Bells said:

I’ve stayed at the Mandelay Bay.  I won’t anymore tho.  Just because of the fish in the tanks.  How can anyone enjoy a meal watching those beautiful creatures swimming around in a circle?

not to be the vegas chamber of commerce or the mandalay PR group... they have a damn good sportsbook

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On 2/11/2021 at 10:25 AM, Ilovepie said:

I also think Clara likes him and vice versa. They do have a lot in common, but they are miles apart with no compromise in sight on things that really matter. His face when they were talking about raising kids is a big red flag. He is being polite, but I think he's actually very religious, and she is not. The convo about raising kids in church is a huge deal. I don't think he wanted to go there on camera but that is not going to go away. These are the types of things those asshole experts should be paying attention to because it could be a deal breaker. It would be for me. I guess we'll see just how important it is for Ryan to be on the same page with his wife, or if he's fine with her accepting his faith but not participating in it with him.

I think a lot of this production manipulation.  I think the producers want us to believe Ryan wants to raise his kids in an "austere" Christian environment and Clara wants to raise them as heathens.  If they are compatible adults I think they can figure this out.  I don't get the sense Ryan is some religious nutjob who is super dogmatic

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On 2/12/2021 at 2:01 AM, Jack Sampson said:

Paige seems like a nice woman but damn, that girl needs to wise up.  Hey Paige, perk up your ears.  God has nothing to do with a show that makes a mockery of marriage.  You had 11 seasons of this show to reflect on - own your mistake and bail.

I think some of us are blaming Paige based on information WE have gotten from spoilers without considering how little she knew when stuff was filmed... unfortunately during this season we will watch her process all of this in "real time"

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1 hour ago, JLaw said:

not to be the vegas chamber of commerce or the mandalay PR group... they have a damn good sportsbook

Yes, and other things were fabulous. I just don’t care for the dolphins in the tanks.  They could of used fake ones.  The hotel is beautiful.  I acted in the heat of the moment as I couldn’t see those fish confined.

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So... the lady friend™️ I force to watch this show with me tries to tell me this show is about love. I'm a bit more cynical... and believe it's 5 couples that production puts together hoping for some drama and if good marriages come from it so be it... who else has this fight?

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46 minutes ago, JLaw said:

I think a lot of this production manipulation.  I think the producers want us to believe Ryan wants to raise his kids in an "austere" Christian environment and Clara wants to raise them as heathens.  If they are compatible adults I think they can figure this out.  I don't get the sense Ryan is some religious nutjob who is super dogmatic

He could still have some deal breakers without being a dogmatic austere conservative Christian.
I see a lot of myself in the situation between Ryan and Clara. My first real love post college came from a Christian home but he wasn’t really practicing. Very nice though- much like Clara. But when we got more serious and started having conversations like this I realized I couldn’t be with someone long term who wouldn’t really share that part of my life and who, much like Clara, wanted to “let kids chose for themselves.” That was the beginning of the end for us, and why I wonder what’s going to happen here.
I see Ryan as a practicing Christian who isn’t super conservative, but I do think there is a reckoning coming where he is going to have to decide if he can compromise on this stuff or if it’s too important to him. Maybe it is production, but it’s hard to ignore his facial expressions when Clara says things he disagrees with coupled with his actual talking heads where he states straight up it’s important to him. I guess we’ll see how this plays out!

 

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16 hours ago, princelina said:

He would have been happy because the others would be supportive of him instead of Paige 😄 

Ha.  Maybe she is right now. 😩

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On 2/12/2021 at 10:07 AM, lh25 said:

She needs to run.  Not just because of the baby, but because of how he is behaving. 

He handled the reveal in the worst possible way. “I have something life-altering to tell you, but I don’t want to tell you.” “That’s not cool.” “I’m good.” Like, what? And this is AFTER he has told a room full of production folks who have to interact with her. How is he going to handle other tough conversations? What if his business struggles? What if he gets sick?

They had known each other for three days at this point. Over the course of three days, Paige has faced “I’m not attracted to you but I had sex with you twice, and my lack of attraction to you gave me a panic attack,” “I have something to tell you but I won’t tell you,” “my ex is pregnant,” and “waaah, everybody is supporting her and not me.” This is not a good dude. It’s okay to just take the L - and all this isn’t even her fault, it’s the show’s for letting this fool through and foisting him on her.

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3 minutes ago, Empress1 said:

He handled the reveal in the worst possible way. “I have something life-altering to tell you, but I don’t want to tell you.” “That’s not cool.” “I’m good.” Like, what? And this is AFTER he has told a room full of production folks who have to interact with her. How is he going to handle other tough conversations? What if his business struggles? What if he gets sick?

They had known each other for three days at this point. Over the course of three days, Paige has faced “I’m not attracted to you but I had sex with you twice, and my lack of attraction to you gave me a panic attack,” “I have something to tell you but I won’t tell you,” “my ex is pregnant,” and “waaah, everybody is supporting her and not me.” This is not a good dude. It’s okay to just take the L - and all this isn’t even her fault, it’s the show’s for letting this fool through and foisting him on her.

I think we all know that Chris is not planning on staying with Paige. He is going to go through the motions, collect his paycheck, and then bounce on Decision Day.

Or the show will give him a financial incentive to stay on D-day and we will find out that he is long gone during the reunion.

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20 hours ago, JLaw said:

I think some of us are blaming Paige based on information WE have gotten from spoilers without considering how little she knew when stuff was filmed...

Not me.  She knew he wasn't attracted to her and had sex with her twice anyway, and worse, he told her this.  She lost me when she chose to stay with him then

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I think both her language and the breathy voice thing come from her faith.  When I've watched the Duggars, polygamists, and other religious fundamentalists, they tend to use phrases like that.  And women are encouraged to "keep sweet," vocally.  

Thank you Linarina (beautifully lyrical name BTW)! An exaggerated femininity makes a lot of sense in the fundamentalistic framework — though, in the case of Paige, some rather contradictory things come out of her mouth — butt comments, anyone? [That *was* her, no?]

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19 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Not me.  She knew he wasn't attracted to her and had sex with her twice anyway, and worse, he told her this.  She lost me when she chose to stay with him then

I would really like to hear from her about this (outside of the confines of MAFS - including Unfiltered). Why, Paige...WHY????

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On 2/14/2021 at 4:21 PM, JLaw said:

I think some of us are blaming Paige based on information WE have gotten from spoilers without considering how little she knew when stuff was filmed... unfortunately during this season we will watch her process all of this in "real time"

I agree. I don’t think Paige knew he wasn’t attracted to her until AFTER he slept with her...UNLESS her friends told her what he said, as they should have. Plus, we have known about the baby for a while and have formed negative opinions of him way before she got the info. Don’t get me wrong; I want her to run now, fast, and far, but she is young and has a whole different idea of how this “should go” and how she wants this to go than any of us.

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1 minute ago, scruffy73 said:

I agree. I don’t think Paige knew he wasn’t attracted to her until AFTER he slept with her...UNLESS her friends told her what he said, as they should have. Plus, we have known about the baby for a while and have formed negative opinions of him way before she got the info. Don’t get me wrong; I want her to run now, fast, and far, but she is young and has a whole different idea of how this “should go” and how she wants this to go than any of us.

Yeah, but he discussed all that sex stuff at the reception and she seemed somewhat appalled, so just from that, why would she want to give herself to him the first night?

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20 minutes ago, scruffy73 said:

I don’t think Paige knew he wasn’t attracted to her until AFTER he slept with her

This is the problem - she saw red flags at the wedding reception and STILL chose to sleep with him hours after she met him! After their reception dinner with all of the sex questions I would have been on high alert at that point. This is on her for making a dumb choice. If she had waited even two days she would have had her original misgivings confirmed because he was showing his ass THE VERY NEXT MORNING!!!! How different would that have looked if she HADN'T just had sex with him - TWICE!!!

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Paige presents herself a God-fearing, religious woman, but I think she's a very sexual being, used to using her body to get men, and not realizing that's all they want.  I suspect there were a lot of guys who immediately got up from bed after banging her and she still didn't have a clue.  I think she tried that with Chris, knowing he was an ass.  It didn't work.  Plus, she's on Unfiltered dressed like she's going to the club.

So she can talk softly about God and religion all she wants but I have no sympathy for her.  

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ButterFace....Wonder if this is how PO$ Chri$ sees Paige.

He leered at her azz, appreciated her body in her wedding night sexy camisole and shorts set but still said he's not 100% attracted to her...after 2 times doing the hokey pokey....

 

Throwing it out there...Ryan is a Butter Faith....will he will admit to having sex (outside marriage) and disappoint his ministered parents= PK times 2.

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30 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

Paige presents herself a God-fearing, religious woman, but I think she's a very sexual being, used to using her body to get men, and not realizing that's all they want.  I suspect there were a lot of guys who immediately got up from bed after banging her and she still didn't have a clue.  I think she tried that with Chris, knowing he was an ass.  It didn't work.  Plus, she's on Unfiltered dressed like she's going to the club.

So she can talk softly about God and religion all she wants but I have no sympathy for her.  

Any sympathy I had for her started to dwindle after the sex, and went even farther after her choice to support him after the bombshell. While it is not her fault she was matched with arguably the biggest asshole in the history of this show, her choices after that are on her. Nobody forced her to have sex with him, and she is choosing (at this point anyway) to stay with a guy she owes absolutely nothing to despite being "legally married". They just met, there is no investment in this relationship. Now I am just thinking what the hell is wrong with her?

Both of these two are walking contradictions. They both spout loudly about their faith, but the actions don't really match. Between the overly revealing clothes and hyper emphasis on sex that they both seem to focus on, I just don't get it at all. As someone on this forum once said, all talk, no walk. I do think Paige is probably a nice girl who would have had at least a chance to be successful if matched with a decent person, but it's not going to happen here no matter how much she wants it. Her staying at this point just makes her look like a fool.

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25 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:

ButterFace....Wonder if this is how PO$ Chri$ sees Paige.

He leered at her azz, appreciated her body in her wedding camisole and shorts set but still said he's not !00% attracted to her...after 2 times doing the hokey pokey....

 

Throwing it out there...Ryan is a Butter Faith....will he will admit to having sex (outside marriage) and disappoint his ministered parents= PK times 2.

You answered you own question.

He see's her as a piece of ass. He wanted to hit is and quit it...remember he is a Christian...more like an ass clown. The only god he worships is the one he sees in the mirror.

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Clara said Paige has Stockholm Syndrome for staying after finding out his ex is pregnant. 😅😂 Tryna sound cool, but it don't fit. I don't think she's bonded to him or the show. She probably feels stuck by her contract & major commitment of MARRIAGE & not wanting to be considered a failure, which usually happens with participants with crappy spouses.

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HYPOCRITE Chris strikes again!! HE thinks Virginia asking if the baby is his is disrespectful? GTFOH!!! He's the King of Disrespect & needs to get out of his stupid feelings. He's got more important things to worry about. To choose to take it as disrespect is stupid. He's entitled to feel, but that's a stupid choice to feel that way about her question. She could've asked something worse. He already can't manage his emotions, he should worry about that. A question is nowhere near the horrible, disrespectful things he's already done to his wife. 😂

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No Paige, it's, "Marriage ain't for punks!" NOT, "Marriage ain't for the punks." 😂😂 Can't misquote that Pastor Cal gem!

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Ugh. That dinner with Creep Chris is so uncomfortable to watch. Most uncomfortable is him giving her the rose & looking at the camera after. He seems so fake. Playing the character of a good husband, lines & all. Too bad it changes so quickly. Idk how she functions with that instability, why anyone would stay with that is beyond me.

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5 hours ago, Lindz said:

Ugh. That dinner with Creep Chris is so uncomfortable to watch. Most uncomfortable is him giving her the rose & looking at the camera after. He seems so fake. Playing the character of a good husband, lines & all. Too bad it changes so quickly. Idk how she functions with that instability, why anyone would stay with that is beyond me.

I completely agree! Chris has the narcissistic manipulativeness and shiftiness of a Lifetime movie boyfriend/sociopath.  I hate how she swooned over his giving her a rose from the table arrangement- might as well have given her Sweet n' Low sugar packets or the moist towelette packets from KFC.  I hope that Paige ultimately chooses to leave Chris for her own sake, as God didn't choose him for her, the twisted puppeteers in the MAFS casting department did. 

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When PO$ Chri$ handed Paige the rose from the table decorations at dinner, I was hoping Paige, looking POS Chri$ dead in the eye, palmed the bud's petals, yanked them off and flung them hard into his fugly f*cking face.....

This ain't The Bachelor, This is MAFS...Beyotches....

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On 2/16/2021 at 12:51 PM, cinsaysit said:

Yeah, but he discussed all that sex stuff at the reception and she seemed somewhat appalled, so just from that, why would she want to give herself to him the first night?

I didn't think she seemed appalled - to me it looked like she liked it!

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On 2/11/2021 at 5:17 AM, bichonblitz said:

Erik is still pretending he is madly crazy about this immature party girl when all signals show they are complete opposites.

Erik came with an earnest desire to find a forever partner.  MAFS is no longer that program. He doesn’t want a second divorce.  I am sad for him.  
 

 

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Love this forum!  

Jake.  I'm old and know many Jakes.  They are the guys who were "in style" during important times of their lives: high school, college, the frat, etc.  And they got stuck there.  There are guys who still sport their long 70s hair - but now it's thin and gray.  Haley needs to take Jake by the hand and show him he can be attractive while living in 2021!  Also, a completely no carb diet can give you seriously bad breath.  Some describe it as a nail polish remover smell.  Maybe that's part of the problem.

Virginia. This is sexist but I heard it one time and it made an impression on me.  "There is nothing more unattractive than a drunk woman."  I hope Virginia's drinking slows down.  I think she's spunky and I think Eric is very attracted to her.  But, if she doesn't stop, she'll be unable to stop.  And that would be sad. 

Chris. I just spent way too long reading everything everyone else has written - brilliant comments and observations!  I am an alum of the University of Washington and took classes from Dr. Pepper Schwartz.  She is a brilliant woman and very well regarded (or was).  Why would she endorse a clearly abusive and unstable man being cast on this show?  Why would any of these "experts"?   As a few others have said, this might be the last season for me if he isn't sent packing.  There have been others who were unstable: Brett, Katie, Christina, Taylor, but they were mild compared to this over-the-top bag of nuts.  He cries (or pretends to), then sulks, then screams, then smirks, etc.  He's creepy.  And no one but Paige is buying the "man of god" story. 

 

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10 hours ago, Devvie said:

I am an alum of the University of Washington and took classes from Dr. Pepper Schwartz.  She is a brilliant woman and very well regarded (or was).  Why would she endorse a clearly abusive and unstable man being cast on this show?  Why would any of these "experts"?   As a few others have said, this might be the last season for me if he isn't sent packing. 

Pepper, Cal and Viv need to reach out on Facetime with Paige helping, counseling her, supporting her after the producers, cast informed them of PO$ Chri$' bad behaviors.

 If after being helped,  Paige decided to stay, the audience could stomach some of his stupid antics.

Paige has that thousand yard stare, has muttered a couple time that she feels numb and it appears no one, including the production crew has helped her... then that has crossed the line of decency...

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23 hours ago, Devvie said:

I am an alum of the University of Washington and took classes from Dr. Pepper Schwartz.  She is a brilliant woman and very well regarded (or was).  Why would she endorse a clearly abusive and unstable man being cast on this show?  Why would any of these "experts"?   As a few others have said, this might be the last season for me if he isn't sent packing.  There have been others who were unstable: Brett, Katie, Christina, Taylor, but they were mild compared to this over-the-top bag of nuts.  He cries (or pretends to), then sulks, then screams, then smirks, etc.  He's creepy.  And no one but Paige is buying the "man of god" story. 

 

Checkout an early season (2 or 3?)  where one of the wives ended up getting a restraining order against her husband (after D Day).  Pepper's comment on that relationship was that they had matched them because "we thought they'd look sexy together" 😮

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So technically the dolphins were at the Mirage, and they are staying at Mandalay Bay -- there was a chyron that identified the location. That being said, they are both MGM Resorts, as are at least 10 other famous Vegas casinos, so if you're going to boycott one over dolphins, you should boycott them all. I expect we'll see a few more of these properties in the next ep. 

I think Erik is going to get really tired of Virginia's party girl attitude when they get back to their real life. I looked it up and the FAA requires pilots to stop drinking at least 8 hours before a flight, but some airlines require 12 hours. That means if he's flying at 8 a.m. the next morning, he's not going to want to go out the night before. Right now Erik is on a high of getting married to a fun younger woman and being in Vegas and he's already expressing a little doubt. It will be worse when they go home. 

Jake reminds me sooo much of someone I dated for a few months (although, I have to say, he's more attractive than my ex). His personality has become "being a geek" about certain things and he wants to share all those things with Hailey and wants to make her appreciate the same thing, but doesn't seem as interested in anything she's expressing interest in. It's exhausting to date those people, and I ended up constantly feeling like I wasn't cool enough for him. Your personality can't just be, "I like 80s movies and music and ironic graphic tee-shirts." He's got to give her more and he's got to be curious about her too.

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1 hour ago, Nancybeth said:

So technically the dolphins were at the Mirage, and they are staying at Mandalay Bay -- there was a chyron that identified the location. That being said, they are both MGM Resorts, as are at least 10 other famous Vegas casinos, so if you're going to boycott one over dolphins, you should boycott them all. I expect we'll see a few more of these properties in the next ep. 

I think Erik is going to get really tired of Virginia's party girl attitude when they get back to their real life. I looked it up and the FAA requires pilots to stop drinking at least 8 hours before a flight, but some airlines require 12 hours. That means if he's flying at 8 a.m. the next morning, he's not going to want to go out the night before. Right now Erik is on a high of getting married to a fun younger woman and being in Vegas and he's already expressing a little doubt. It will be worse when they go home. 

Jake reminds me sooo much of someone I dated for a few months (although, I have to say, he's more attractive than my ex). His personality has become "being a geek" about certain things and he wants to share all those things with Hailey and wants to make her appreciate the same thing, but doesn't seem as interested in anything she's expressing interest in. It's exhausting to date those people, and I ended up constantly feeling like I wasn't cool enough for him. Your personality can't just be, "I like 80s movies and music and ironic graphic tee-shirts." He's got to give her more and he's got to be curious about her too.

I guess I don't recall her indicating any interests, except talking to her girlfriends.  He tells her things he likes, maybe expecting that she'll reply with what she likes and she just gives him an unhappy look, so that doesn't encourage much hope.  These 2 were just not a match at all.

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1 hour ago, cinsays said:

I guess I don't recall her indicating any interests, except talking to her girlfriends.  He tells her things he likes, maybe expecting that she'll reply with what she likes and she just gives him an unhappy look, so that doesn't encourage much hope.  These 2 were just not a match at all.

Yeah I can't read her at all. He tried having a serious conversation about their relationship, and she literally said nothing. It seems as if every conversation they have he has to initiate, even going back to immediately after their wedding! I am not at all certain it just looks like he is always talking about himself because this is what it's been edited to be because she doesn't say anything. She looks at him sometimes as if he has two heads, or her face is just a blank.  The only thing she seems excited about is being able to do what she wants when she wants. I cannot fathom why she wanted to get married. It's a disastrous pairing.

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