Rainsong February 3, 2021 Share February 3, 2021 (edited) Quote 8 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said: Why is every episode two hours? Part of the original pitch was that TB would become a replacement show on the schedule for Monday Night Football which typically runs 8 pm - 11 pm on the East Coast. Although 2 hours can be lengthy they still have an extra hour to fill with...something else. Occasionally TB (or Bachelor In Paradise) runs 3 hours (!). Repetition, teaser, flashback, and every other sort of time-filling gimmick are definitely employed to pad out the time window. Of course, the primary objective is to sell advertising so format, coherent narrative etc. take a backseat to such tactics. Anyone watching without a DVR does so at the risk of his/her own sanity. (Rest of post quoted the old fashioned way) >>When contestants are talking about having been there for weeks, are they actually there for weeks, or is it reality TV weeks, where the whole season is just a couple weeks? According to Popsugar.com, Arie's season taped for nine weeks. Since they typically move between locations and since those locations are often free lodging in exchange for promotion, they spend a week or less at each site especially given that cabin fever would set in regardless of scenery or activities and to keep audience interest by changing venues. Bear in mind that the field is always being trimmed down so most participants' time commitment is shorter (although they all must tack on the pre-production stuff like interviews, screen/lighting tests as well as ATFR). Given the jarring, often haphazard edits and 'time compression' visible onscreen, the timing of the rose ceremonies is largely up to the producers. You can see the exasperation when cocktail parties or rose ceremonies are delayed or denied due to some fatuous claim of emotional anguish of the part of the Bachelor. This show is and always has been one long exercise in Skinnerian, even Pavlovian, conditioning featuring rewards and reinforcement to the point where the women convince themselves they want to 'win' even if they don't really want to end up with the Bachelor as a life partner. >>Why is it that the eliminations are not at the end of episodes? It makes me OCDish and annoyed. They used to be and occasionally still are. You may see frequent remarks on these pages about 'mid-episode rose ceremonies' which seem to be generally regarded as an unwelcome innovation. The producers' aim, of course, is to condition the audience just as much as the contestants so shifting the carrot and stick around are apparently meant to keep the audience keen and ratings healthy throughout by preventing them from watching the first segment and the last segment only. Unfortunately, this also means a cliffhanger-that-really-isn't is concocted for episodes that don't conclude with a rose ceremony. >>Has anyone ever been like "No, I'm not accepting your rose?" Yes, it's happened, including in overseas versions of 'the franchise.' More often than not, however, there is a sidebar conversation prior to the ceremony in which a Bachelorette declares she's leaving voluntarily - after which Harrison informs the rest who feign shock and secretly celebrate the improvement of their chances. >>Are you basically guaranteed a rose when you go on a one-on-one date? Definitely not. There have been plenty of instances where chemistry failed to develop or the date's antics were so off-putting that the rose was withheld. >>It strikes me that the original pool of bachelorettes and certainly this culled down version is heavy on women of color, and a lot of the white women seem like they could probably feign being mixed. Only MJ and Kit I think of the current surviving contestants could not pull off being mixed IMO. Is that normal? Matt's preferences? Producer interference? Every season is different. Obviously this year much has been made of Matt's racial background. No doubt he's had input and it only makes sense for the producers always try to cast the most appealing field in order to maximize the chances of a positive outcome. But as with many things intended to be frothy, fun and diversionary in the culture, even reality shows have been dragged down into the usual political sewer where everything must be fraught with symbolism, weighed and apportioned to ensure 'representation' etc. The producers have been stung by past criticism of casting and this is a somewhat obvious response. >>How much is producer interference a thing? It's a HUGE thing, as nearly every alumnus/alumna will attest. As with trashy talk shows, the producers engage in a process known as 'talking up' where they may ask a participant an incessant number of questions in order to get them agitated and spoiling for a fight or a tantrum and then set them loose on each other hoping for blood. The manipulation is often so pervasive that the participants don't realize it's going on constantly but once they leave the show get very angry and resentful about it. Victoria, for example, has been such a repellent figure that the only person listening to her in shots is a black-clad production type. Infrequently you will see or hear producers off-camera or fully in-shot trying to talk participants 'off a ledge' when they threaten to go home. It's a rather cynical but necessary exercise in preventing cast attrition. Many of the so-called spontaneous encounters are completely engineered eg Bachelor sneaks out at night to visit his favorite. A sensible person would ask 'Why doesn't the Bachelor do this every night if he so chooses?' The only possible answers are a) he's not allowed and b) it's with the permission of the boss. On a more mundane level, if someone fluffs a line or misses a mark, then 'reality' will involve a second or third attempt. Occasionally you will see these outtakes at the end of an episode or an entire gag reel will be viewed on ATFR. The talking-head interviews are a giveaway. Nobody narrates in present-perfect-tense declarative sentences with noun/verb/object that way unless they are being asked questions and told to respond in such fashion. It's such a convention of reality TV now that most tend not to notice it. >>Like I can't believe that Matt kept QV around because of her looks or personality. Like is it crazy to think that he literally was forced to keep her on till about now? Producer 'plants' are like the theory of the atom before powerful microscopes were invented. We've always suspected they exist and there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to suggest same but we don't have definitive proof. The usual hypothesis is that the Bachelor quickly picks out 3 or 4 favorites. That's just human nature despite being on show with a rather distorted view of human nature ie one person can date 32 other persons simultaneously. To keep the suspense going the Bachelor agrees to retain the plant and/or a participant who emerges as a lightning rod for controversy. Bachelors who were hailed as popular choices often turn out to be boring drips or worse over the course of a full season - the only alternative to fill the hours is to provoke and film house drama. >>Is bringing additional women a usual thing with this show? As time has progressed it seems so. The Bachelor, The Bachelorette and Bachelor In Paradise have typically and intentionally had overlap to foster audience loyalty. Last year's plucky-but-tragic runner-up may be cast in the lead role to seek redemption etc. Back to the 'producer effect,' they are always gauging the participants' real interests and aren't above bringing in a old flame, a provocateur or a Hail Mary attempt to get the desired outcome. Much has been made of Matt being a Bachelor neophyte - never watched the show etc. so it's a different setup this year. >>Are we supposed to know who the woman in the previews is from a previous season or something? Typically yes but not all of us watch every season - rest assured there will be plenty of archival footage and exposition if the intruder is in fact a previous participant. Edited February 3, 2021 by Rainsong 6 9 Link to comment
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