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1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

Just wanted to clarify my post above. I hope it didn't come across as if I was making light of the situation with trying to get into A ++ shape. We've already seen that weight/body image is an extremely triggering discussion for Victoria and her mother. And I can certainly understand. I am sure the situation was extremely stressful and threatening to her mental and physical health even if it did revolve around physical expectations. I agree with you. I doubt it was as simple as "lose a few pounds" "nah- I'm taking the year off" But that could have been the central subject around which everything collapsed.

Thank you for clarifying! I wasn't trying to single out anyone for their speculation on Victoria's retirement. I was just trying to say that her departure is maybe more serious than a lot of us initially realized, myself included.

Also, thank you for your comments about how weight/body image can be threatening to both physical and mental health. I think we all recognize how dangerous DCC weight expectations can be, but, speaking for myself, I accept it as just another part of the show. It's nice to have a reminder that the expectations to be DCC thin are toxic (even if I selfishly enjoy the drama).

 

11 minutes ago, lexie3248 said:

I feel even if it is something “bad” that Victoria what she did that have her make the decision to take a leave or not re-audition this year, I think DCC’s know how bad she got it through social media when she had a rough first season and just want to support her in general. Even though it’s not her fault that DCC has been her world, I’m worried she’s going to have a hard time not being in it.
 

The whole “unselfish” sentence seems off to me though. 

I love the idea that all the DCC are being protective and flooding her post with support to fend off potential haters. That sentence about being brave and unselfish definitely is weird. I wonder if she's bracing herself for the MTT edit? Maybe by preemptively saying she's unselfish, then if she gets a bad edit, people will think that there's more to the story. Or maybe calling the decision mbv unselfish is just how she's coping with leaving DCC (and she just overshared in her post)? Like she's sad that she has to step away but it's okay because it was the unselfish thing to do.

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I'm not a Victoria fan, but I'm thinking, IF it's a weight issue, that it's either 1 she gained weight, it has affected her mental health, and wants to take time of to focus on her without the stress of DCC's weight standards; or 2 she may have lost control and lost too much causing her to develop an ED and is using this time to go into an impatient or outpatient program for recovery. As someone who has been struggling with anorexia for years, I know how difficult taking that step is and her comment about it being a brave and unselfish decision would make sense. IF this is what caused her to step down, I will back her decision 100%. 

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3 hours ago, Erinbridget said:

I'm not a Victoria fan, but I'm thinking, IF it's a weight issue, that it's either 1 she gained weight, it has affected her mental health, and wants to take time of to focus on her without the stress of DCC's weight standards; or 2 she may have lost control and lost too much causing her to develop an ED and is using this time to go into an impatient or outpatient program for recovery. As someone who has been struggling with anorexia for years, I know how difficult taking that step is and her comment about it being a brave and unselfish decision would make sense. IF this is what caused her to step down, I will back her decision 100%. 

This was a very well-written and explained post. You've given me a lot to consider. Thank you. 

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4 hours ago, chabelisaywow said:

Lol you’re the one who announced her departure. 

I read the comment as, “yeahhhh... this unselfish / brave commentary is BS”. 

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Victoria much reminds me of a child who has to become a surgeon, lawyer or take over the business because they have to follow their parents' footsteps. The pressure is on to be what you're not, to do what you don't really want. The pushy-parent vibe is what I get when seeing Tina, who is literally there, every-single-step-of-the-way. 

I'm pretty sure Victoria struggled with this. Is it the reason for taking a leave? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. It would definitely explain the mature (finally my own decision) and brave (stepping up against mom and Kelli) Just not sure where unselfish kicks in.

 

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12 hours ago, MonaMechelle said:

I am baffled as to what kind of personal issues require a “brave, mature and unselfish” decision to step away. And it’s interesting to see how many current and former DCCs who are commenting with so much support on her post. 

Yeah, that doesn’t sound like something most people would say about their own decisions. That sounds like something OTHER people say about your decisions. 

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My heart goes out to Victoria.  I believe she has wanted this from her childhood but her immaturity and her closeness to Kelli and the nepotism made it a tougher journey than she thought it would be.    Her first yearn training camp,  I was not a Victoria fan until she got cut.  I was impressed with how she handled her cut with some class and maturity more than Kelli.  Victoria asked for what she could improve and why she was cut and Kelli gave her that vague comprehensive answer.  VK came back slimmer and more of a polished speaker.  I heard she had a speaking coach and it showed.  You could see her pause to think a moment before she talked.  

VK learns choreography quickly and I believe that is how she got a little more respect from her teammates her second season.  She showed up lean and looking great.  She did not appear to have the close boot buddy relationship with Brennan that others have had with their boot buddies.  Brennan has her DCC squad over all the time which includes Chandi, VK's rookie sister, but I have yet to see VK included.  Lauren was a great boot buddy to Brennan so even if VK was immature, I put this on Brennan.  But then I believe Brennan changed in her last training camp to act entitled even though she showed up clearly showing fatigue at times.  I still say Brennan should have gone for the opt out or retired due to age and her body slowing down from covid and age.   Brennan's solo costume and her 1st day outfit of mom jeans screamed she was not trying anymore.  Her comments when she was cut showed she expected to be kept even if she got outdanced.  VK has a close relationship with her boot buddy Marissa.  So good for VK on that one.

I'm glad VK has gotten support from many of her teammates.  I do not need to know what is going on in her life.  There are a lot of personal stories spilled in this forum, that I wish I never knew such as the Heather O's phone hack or the Holly Hubb phone hack, etc.  I doubt we will ever hear the truth because insiders close to VK will keep radio silent.  VK has endured a lot of criticism on social media including this forum, her instagram being hacked, and not always being included by her teammates. The not being included in many events is sad because she is not getting Tina and Kelli's journey.   I hope she finds happiness and if she chooses to come back, comes back stronger.  People can debate her dancing all the time.  I find there is something about VK that draws you in.  Once again, you don't have to be the most technical to be a force on the field.  

So in the end, I hope she takes care of herself.  I would rather have seen VK on the field than Kristin or Kat who barely squeak on each year.  Kat is much older than VK and when Kat talks, I cringe.

 

 

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But didn't one of the insiders say that VK didn't apologize for whatever it is that needed apologizing and therefore VK chose to take a leave of absence instead?  If its an eating disorder or anything else mental health related, I don't think VK would need to apologize for that. 🤷‍♀️

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1 hour ago, TUOwl84 said:

But didn't one of the insiders say that VK didn't apologize for whatever it is that needed apologizing and therefore VK chose to take a leave of absence instead?  If its an eating disorder or anything else mental health related, I don't think VK would need to apologize for that. 🤷‍♀️

Perhaps Victoria did something that she needed apologizing for, but realised in that process that she had personal issues. A ‘why did I do this?!’ moment.

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Maybe it’s a drug or alcohol problem?  For example, a drunken indiscretion may create an environment where people feel an apology is warranted, while getting treatment is often considered brave etc. 

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3 hours ago, Lexusprincess said:

you don't have to be the most technical to be a force on the field.

Example, KaShara. I love her vibe and dancing but her solos really showed her lack of technical ability. 

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Did Amber get group leader? Erin and Madeline sent her flowers and said congrats 

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1 minute ago, dccfan204 said:

Did Amber get group leader? Erin and Madeline sent her flowers and said congrats 

Training camp hasn’t started !! Amber just finished up her masters degree 

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16 hours ago, Monique said:

I'm honestly shocked that Victoria is getting this much love, support from her teammates. Even that former and current DCC are acknowledging this makes things more suspect for me.
 

And is this “unselfish” because she's giving up her spot for someone else? 

I’m not shocked she’s getting this much support from former teammates & other DCC it’s the game they all play to stay in Kelli’s good graces especially knowing how special Victoria is to TPTB they HAVE to show up... the whole scene is annoying as I said in the other thread she’s a freaking cheerleader not curing Cancer she’s so very brave for turning in her Pom poms... I’m sure whatever she’s going through is the most traumatic but there is life outside of DCC...

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4 hours ago, Lexusprincess said:

My heart goes out to Victoria.  I believe she has wanted this from her childhood but her immaturity and her closeness to Kelli and the nepotism made it a tougher journey than she thought it would be.    Her first yearn training camp,  I was not a Victoria fan until she got cut.  I was impressed with how she handled her cut with some class and maturity more than Kelli.  Victoria asked for what she could improve and why she was cut and Kelli gave her that vague comprehensive answer.  VK came back slimmer and more of a polished speaker.  I heard she had a speaking coach and it showed.  You could see her pause to think a moment before she talked.  

VK learns choreography quickly and I believe that is how she got a little more respect from her teammates her second season.  She showed up lean and looking great.  She did not appear to have the close boot buddy relationship with Brennan that others have had with their boot buddies.  Brennan has her DCC squad over all the time which includes Chandi, VK's rookie sister, but I have yet to see VK included.  Lauren was a great boot buddy to Brennan so even if VK was immature, I put this on Brennan.  But then I believe Brennan changed in her last training camp to act entitled even though she showed up clearly showing fatigue at times.  I still say Brennan should have gone for the opt out or retired due to age and her body slowing down from covid and age.   Brennan's solo costume and her 1st day outfit of mom jeans screamed she was not trying anymore.  Her comments when she was cut showed she expected to be kept even if she got outdanced.  VK has a close relationship with her boot buddy Marissa.  So good for VK on that one.

I'm glad VK has gotten support from many of her teammates.  I do not need to know what is going on in her life.  There are a lot of personal stories spilled in this forum, that I wish I never knew such as the Heather O's phone hack or the Holly Hubb phone hack, etc.  I doubt we will ever hear the truth because insiders close to VK will keep radio silent.  VK has endured a lot of criticism on social media including this forum, her instagram being hacked, and not always being included by her teammates. The not being included in many events is sad because she is not getting Tina and Kelli's journey.   I hope she finds happiness and if she chooses to come back, comes back stronger.  People can debate her dancing all the time.  I find there is something about VK that draws you in.  Once again, you don't have to be the most technical to be a force on the field.  

So in the end, I hope she takes care of herself.  I would rather have seen VK on the field than Kristin or Kat who barely squeak on each year.  Kat is much older than VK and when Kat talks, I cringe.

 

 

I can’t help but wonder if she’s excluded from the team get togethers because of her mom, who may be hanging on to VK as a way of reliving her DCC glory days. That is of course in addition to fear of VK snitching to mommy and Kelli about the dealings of the group.  If mommy hasn’t cut the apron strings, perhaps VK AND TK are the mean girls..

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9 minutes ago, chabelisaywow said:

Are you referring to Dr. Manhattan’s comment? 
It is being speculated that DM is VK’s boyfriend, Tina, or even VK. 


I’m really trying not to comment on VK at all - because I’ll say it louder for the people in the back - I’m glad she’s gone. She was a distraction. 

I don’t wish hateful shit on her or anything but that whole saying you have a thyroid issue when you don’t is just bad juju.

This whole “leave of absence” stuff is BS too. She’s making  the LOL “brave, mature, unselfish” decision not to reaudition. She should have to do the same brave, mature, unselfish thing that all the other girls who chose not to reaudition any given year had to do if they wanted to make the team again.
 

not going to lie though - Lemonbus, Simplsimom - SPILL THE TEA. 

Dr Manhattan is fairly new to PT right? I don’t remember seeing much from them last season.

 

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Just now, PleasantSmile05 said:

Dr Manhattan is fairly new to PT right? I don’t remember seeing much from them last season.

 

Yes 

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11 minutes ago, PleasantSmile05 said:

Dr Manhattan is fairly new to PT right?

Yes. And seems to be fairly Pro-VK ... 🤔

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2 hours ago, PleasantSmile05 said:

Dr Manhattan is fairly new to PT right? I don’t remember seeing much from them last season.

 

Hover on top of anyone's moniker and it will tell you when they joined.  He definitely came to spill the tea this season.

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I saw on Reddit or Facebook ( can’t remember which) and it was brought up by someone who apparently had inside info that it was weight related in the same vein of Courtney Cook possibly ED. However, they’ve been wrong multiple times, so I wouldn’t say it’s true. Definitely take with a grain of salt. Apparently she was benched for a draft day performance and it escalated from there. Don’t kill the messenger. I just saw it posted somewhere. That damn big screen could give anyone a complex and their (K,J,C) snarky comments along with it.  I mean, to think Rachel A and Kashara were big? You gotta be kidding me?! At least they look like women and not 10 year olds!

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Haven’t posted in forever, I lost interest with the mess that was last season (justice for Hannah!) and have just settled for reading to myself. 
But this 9th “retirement” drew me back 😂 

I really do hope VK is healthy and happy, and taking a break does her some good. Obviously it’s difficult to comment without knowing the specifics, but I do find the wording of her announcement puzzling. So much so that I thought initially it was photoshopped because it sounded like a parody of VK: the brave, mature, unselfish etc. The opposite of how she’s usually described, or was portrayed on the show perhaps. Maybe that was a dig? Who knows. 
I’ll go back to my corner and wait for more tea to spill 😂

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39 minutes ago, CailynA said:

No matter why she's leaving someone needs to tell this child calling yourself "brave, mature, and unselfish" is a bad look, too self involved, sounds like way too much ego. You're supposed to let others call you that then thank them for saying such nice things about you.

That’s what I was thinking when I read it. 
 

I really hope we find out soon what’s going on. If she re-auditions next year, fine. She took a year to deal with whatever’s going on and has the right to try again like anybody else.
 

But if they give her an automatic spot next year without auditioning, I’ll be pissed. 

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14 hours ago, LilyD said:

Victoria much reminds me of a child who has to become a surgeon, lawyer or take over the business because they have to follow their parents' footsteps. The pressure is on to be what you're not, to do what you don't really want. The pushy-parent vibe is what I get when seeing Tina, who is literally there, every-single-step-of-the-way. 

I'm pretty sure Victoria struggled with this. Is it the reason for taking a leave? I don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me. It would definitely explain the mature (finally my own decision) and brave (stepping up against mom and Kelli) Just not sure where unselfish kicks in.

 

Those jobs would at least make her some money 

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2 hours ago, Opine said:He definitely came to spill the tea this season.

I haven’t scrolled back enough to look at all of his/her posts. I got a “preemptive” vibe. Like when he/she stated it wasn’t VK’s “fault.”

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On 6/4/2021 at 4:43 PM, Agent Gully said:

Just a question to see what others think...Last year, I think many of us were surprised at some of the veteran cuts. Of the veterans with two or more seasons under their belt now, in your opinion:

1.) Who would be the most surprising/shocking veteran cut/s?

2.) Who would be the least surprising veteran cut/s?

Feel free to list more than one for each question. Also feel free to put your reasoning. A horse turned me into a human lawn dart and I want to think about something other than the fact I no longer bounce when I get pitched off, I shatter! 

 

Most shocking/surprising: Lexie or Taylor: I’m hearing some talk about these two, but I’d be very surprised if either were cut. And Kat: I don’t think she’s that good but I still would be shocked since TPTB love her so much.

Least surprising: Kristin or Jalyn just because of issues in previous seasons. 

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1 hour ago, Peanutflutter33 said:

Least surprising: Kristin or Jalyn just because of issues in previous seasons. 

Did we ever find out what happened with Jalyn? She was a favorite her first year but not so much anymore

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On 6/4/2021 at 11:02 PM, StellaCL said:

Well medical information is private and cannot be disclosed unless the patient specifies it is ok to do so. So any commenters in the know would likely tread carefully.

 

HIPPA only applies to medical staff who would have access to your records.  It would not cover someone overhearing VK talk about it and repeating it here or being told by VK herself. Commenters would only need to tread carefully if they don’t want anyone to discover who they are IRL. 
 

I’m still dying to know. And frankly, I’m shocked b/c I thought she’d stay as long as possible. 

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51 minutes ago, Tdoc72 said:

I’m still dying to know. And frankly, I’m shocked b/c I thought she’d stay as long as possible. 

I thought for sure that Victoria would be a 5 years girl.

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1 hour ago, Tdoc72 said:

HIPPA only applies to medical staff who would have access to your records.  It would not cover someone overhearing VK talk about it and repeating it here or being told by VK herself. Commenters would only need to tread carefully if they don’t want anyone to discover who they are IRL. 
 

I’m still dying to know. And frankly, I’m shocked b/c I thought she’d stay as long as possible. 

The commenters I was referring to were the current and former DCC commenting on Victoria’s Instagram and how they would have to tread carefully to not disclose private medical information. Nothing to do with HIPPA (I didn’t mention it?) but private information none the less with pretty big consequences if divulged or eluded too by people in the know.

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42 minutes ago, scorpio1031 said:

I think Brennan volunteering to be Victoria’s boot buddy was brave, mature and unselfish.

Definitely a taking one for the team moment.

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I wish Victoria the best.  She's leaving it open to the possibility of auditioning again even though I don't really see the point in doing so as her goal was to become a DCC which she did.  She can check that goal off her list as she's young enough and has the financial support of her family so she can get her mental/physical health in order and move on with her life. 

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7 hours ago, StellaCL said:

The commenters I was referring to were the current and former DCC commenting on Victoria’s Instagram and how they would have to tread carefully to not disclose private medical information. Nothing to do with HIPPA (I didn’t mention it?) but private information none the less with pretty big consequences if divulged or eluded too by people in the know.

Legally, there are no consequences for divulging others private medical information unless you are bound by HIPAA. 

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4 hours ago, ExtremeFajitas said:

A Margaret Thatcher quote came to mind when I read VK’s departure post:  Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't.

It's like calling yourself a philanthropist - just don't do it. 

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12 hours ago, dccfan204 said:

Did we ever find out what happened with Jalyn? She was a favorite her first year but not so much anymore

The only thing I know is what we heard (rumors) around the time it happened.  Supposedly, Jalyn corrected Victoria on something and Victoria wasn't happy about it so she went to her mom who went to Kelli or she went to Kelli directly.  That's when Kelli told the group (can't remember if this scene was actually shown or not) something along the lines of "Veteran aren't allowed to correct or help rookies anymore.  Corrections are only to come from Judy and I."  

Then Show Group auditions happened and Jalyn was knocked off Show Group.  There was a shot of a list in either Kelli's or Judy's hand that showed Jalyn crossed off and Victoria near/next to it and underlined.  Once the group broke up to start practicing, Jalyn took herself off to the bathroom/locker room to collect herself for a few minutes and Kelli looked PISSED/MAD.  If I remember correctly, she said something along the lines of how unprofessional it was of Jalyn to do that (most people here said the opposite).  Supposedly, Kelli wanted Jalyn to create some sort of scene or disturbance so she (Kelli) would have a reason to cut her (Jalyn), but Jalyn didn't give her that.  Jalyn was then called into the office and "talked to" (which was likely going to be when she was cut, but she hadn't given Kelli the reaction Kelli wanted).  Kelli doesn't seem to have forgiven her since nor has Jalyn given her a reason to be cut.

This is all based on rumors, what was shown on the show and what we heard here on the board.

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9 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

The only thing I know is what we heard (rumors) around the time it happened.  Supposedly, Jalyn corrected Victoria on something and Victoria wasn't happy about it so she went to her mom who went to Kelli or she went to Kelli directly.  That's when Kelli told the group (can't remember if this scene was actually shown or not) something along the lines of "Veteran aren't allowed to correct or help rookies anymore.  Corrections are only to come from Judy and I."  

Then Show Group auditions happened and Jalyn was knocked off Show Group.  There was a shot of a list in either Kelli's or Judy's hand that showed Jalyn crossed off and Victoria near/next to it and underlined.  Once the group broke up to start practicing, Jalyn took herself off to the bathroom/locker room to collect herself for a few minutes and Kelli looked PISSED/MAD.  If I remember correctly, she said something along the lines of how unprofessional it was of Jalyn to do that (most people here said the opposite).  Supposedly, Kelli wanted Jalyn to create some sort of scene or disturbance so she (Kelli) would have a reason to cut her (Jalyn), but Jalyn didn't give her that.  Jalyn was then called into the office and "talked to" (which was likely going to be when she was cut, but she hadn't given Kelli the reaction Kelli wanted).  Kelli doesn't seem to have forgiven her since nor has Jalyn given her a reason to be cut.

This is all based on rumors, what was shown on the show and what we heard here on the board.

Wow, thanks! I had no idea of any of this. I think veterans should 100% be able to correct rookies. K & J can't watch everyone at the same time...

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I have never been secret about not liking Victoria but I blame that as much or more on her mother, Kelly and the obvious nepotism. That said, if it is food related, an eating disorder, then those around Victoria need to help her, not coddle her. A real ed is not something to screw around with. Too many moons ago I was in an edu center and there was a young woman who believed if she gained one ounce over 73lbs she was fat. They had to insert a feeding tube bc she kept throwing up the meager amts of food she would eat. Sadly, she died. 

Victoria needs to realize her body, and ftr, she has a beautiful figure, is not the DCC "uniform ready" body type. It may be too hard for her to get and keep her body at what her body says is an unhealthy and unnatural weight. She needs to understand and own that is not failure. At all. It's genes. And if it is an ed I wish her well and want her to get better. This is a rabbit hole she doesn't want to spend the rest if her life in. I know. 

 Isn't she's in a new relationship now? That's gotta be difficult as well. Watching her new bf eat pizza, drink beer, sodas, snack? And guys eat. Wait until she gets married and is around it 24/7. And has kids. 

Honestly I don't think there's that much to see in, "brave, mature and unselfish" decision. Victoria isn't deep. Maybe she realized she couldn't starve her body into DCC shape (understandably) didn't want to anymore (don't blame her) and didn't want to be trashed publicly via the show. And Kelli may have had a word with her as well and told her and her mother that, if I let V into training camp so obviously out of shape then she will be ripped apart by the masses and so will the DCC organization. They were, justifiably, for cutting Hannah and Brennan. I didn't watch even one episode last year. Not the online snippets. Nothing.

My guess is, V didn't want to be publicly torn apart as in her first year. And especially after coming back physically fit and "uniform ready." She sees not taking an automatic spot (we know Kelli would) as unselfish. And even though it's ultimately about her, it is growth. 

If Victoria sees this, GO LIVE YOUR LIFE! Not the life of your mother reliving her DCC years. Your Life. You accomplished what thousands of woman couldn't. 2 years as a starving DCC (new Indie band name, Starving DCC's?) is quite an achievement. Take pages from your friends Dayton and Sam and find your life and live. 

For me the bigger question in all of this is, who will Lisa suck up to now with Victoria gone? Not a fan of Lisa M. I do not think she has the DCC look and never will. 

Of course this is all speculation but, to me, it's what I think is going on. 

 

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Adding, I wouldn't expect Kelli to say much about Victoria leaving on the show. She didn't when Holly quit, Erica was never mentioned and said next to nothing when Courtney Cook left. I do believe she really does care about Victoria and won't divulge her personal business. It will get a quick, standard mention and that will be all. About Holly P quitting, she said (paraphrasing), "she didn't want to ruin a young girl's life." Something like that. If she said that little and took that stand for Holly P on the show, I think she will do the same or more (less?) for Victoria. 

 

I also think it's good that insiders aren't giving up the goods. Whatever my feelings about Victoria and the obvious nepotism, she is walking away from a dream that was beat into her from a very young age. I would imagine she's a bit lost right now. And she doesn't have a lot of friends. We never or rarely saw her hang out with other DCC's.

I truly do wish her well. And a life besides this...

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1 hour ago, Laurawithcats said:

 

If Victoria sees this, GO LIVE YOUR LIFE! Not the life of your mother reliving her DCC years. Your Life. You accomplished what thousands of woman couldn't. 2 years as a starving DCC (new Indie band name, Starving DCC's?) is quite an achievement. Take pages from your friends Dayton and Sam and find your life and live. 

 

Agree.  I hope she takes her community college credits and transfers to a school far, far away from Texas.  Get some life experience & get away from this path that was laid out for her since birth to figure out what she really wants.  Maybe she truly loves DCC and will come back in a few years, on her own terms, as A++ Victoria.  Or maybe she'll take a completely different path.  I just hope she's able to explore her options outside of Dallas/DCC/TK.

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6 hours ago, Fwcowboysfan said:

Legally, there are no consequences for divulging others private medical information unless you are bound by HIPAA. 

I meant consequences for DCC by TPTB if their comments eluded to anything private like, “I hope your mom makes a speedy recovery!”  Wow this thread has really diverted from the original comment I replied too. Consequences don’t have to be legal ones, or anything to do with HIPPA. Indiscretion about people’s medical history or situation, regardless of laws, can have consequences.

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3 hours ago, dccfan204 said:

Wow, thanks! I had no idea of any of this. I think veterans should 100% be able to correct rookies. K & J can't watch everyone at the same time...

Actually at different points, being a "good veteran" was defined as helping rookies.  We've seen multiple scenes with just that happening.

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3 hours ago, Laurawithcats said:

I have never been secret about not liking Victoria but I blame that as much or more on her mother, Kelly and the obvious nepotism. That said, if it is food related, an eating disorder, then those around Victoria need to help her, not coddle her. A real ed is not something to screw around with. Too many moons ago I was in an edu center and there was a young woman who believed if she gained one ounce over 73lbs she was fat. They had to insert a feeding tube bc she kept throwing up the meager amts of food she would eat. Sadly, she died. 

Victoria needs to realize her body, and ftr, she has a beautiful figure, is not the DCC "uniform ready" body type. It may be too hard for her to get and keep her body at what her body says is an unhealthy and unnatural weight. She needs to understand and own that is not failure. At all. It's genes. And if it is an ed I wish her well and want her to get better. This is a rabbit hole she doesn't want to spend the rest if her life in. I know. 

 Isn't she's in a new relationship now? That's gotta be difficult as well. Watching her new bf eat pizza, drink beer, sodas, snack? And guys eat. Wait until she gets married and is around it 24/7. And has kids. 

Honestly I don't think there's that much to see in, "brave, mature and unselfish" decision. Victoria isn't deep. Maybe she realized she couldn't starve her body into DCC shape (understandably) didn't want to anymore (don't blame her) and didn't want to be trashed publicly via the show. And Kelli may have had a word with her as well and told her and her mother that, if I let V into training camp so obviously out of shape then she will be ripped apart by the masses and so will the DCC organization. They were, justifiably, for cutting Hannah and Brennan. I didn't watch even one episode last year. Not the online snippets. Nothing.

My guess is, V didn't want to be publicly torn apart as in her first year. And especially after coming back physically fit and "uniform ready." She sees not taking an automatic spot (we know Kelli would) as unselfish. And even though it's ultimately about her, it is growth. 

If Victoria sees this, GO LIVE YOUR LIFE! Not the life of your mother reliving her DCC years. Your Life. You accomplished what thousands of woman couldn't. 2 years as a starving DCC (new Indie band name, Starving DCC's?) is quite an achievement. Take pages from your friends Dayton and Sam and find your life and live. 

For me the bigger question in all of this is, who will Lisa suck up to now with Victoria gone? Not a fan of Lisa M. I do not think she has the DCC look and never will. 

Of course this is all speculation but, to me, it's what I think is going on. 

 

I hear you on Lisa and TOTALLY agree.  She isn't ugly per se.  And she has a decent little body.  But none of it is DCC.  And the gross little goody two shoes act she puts on makes me want to puke!  I was screaming at the TV during media day last season when she had her nose so far up TPTB's butt it was just disgusting.

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4 hours ago, dccfan204 said:

Wow, thanks! I had no idea of any of this. I think veterans should 100% be able to correct rookies. K & J can't watch everyone at the same time...

We've seen this happen multiple times over the course of the show where Judy/Kelli tells the girls to get with a veteran and go over something if they have trouble with it, whether there at practice (like if Kelli, Judy and whoever else has to go over potential cuts, talk with someone in the office, or something else) or outside of practice.  The higher vets know what they're talking about, how something looks or feels when done properly and will either correct it right then or tell Judy/Kelli about it if they aren't in a situation where something could be corrected immediately. 

This type of vets-help-the-rookies-with-issues stopped when Jalyn got kicked off Show Group so there was SOMETHING going on and Jalyn, as far as we knew, did absolutely NOTHING to deserve the situation she found herself in that year (and all the years since).  Personally, if I knew that my boss was aiming for me (especially in a dance related job where the contract was only one year), I would be gone at the end of that year so fast.  Jalyn was mature and professional which will take her far.  

1 hour ago, Opine said:

I hear you on Lisa and TOTALLY agree.  She isn't ugly per se.  And she has a decent little body.  But none of it is DCC.  And the gross little goody two shoes act she puts on makes me want to puke!  I was screaming at the TV during media day last season when she had her nose so far up TPTB's butt it was just disgusting.

I wouldn't be surprised if Lisa is a vet cut this year.  Without Victoria (and possibly some of the other retiring vets) to protect her, she'll have a lot harder time with everything.  I also wouldn't be surprised if we suddenly start hearing about her "boxy" shape, some of her dance lacks, and whatever else TPTB choose to nitpick about.

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On 6/5/2021 at 10:13 PM, PleasantSmile05 said:

Dr Manhattan is fairly new to PT right? I don’t remember seeing much from them last season.

 

See I find this interesting because I’ve seen multiple posts from new people who say it took forever for their accounts to be activated. It make wonder if Dr M has been waiting a while (and if so, what else could they have shared during this time) or did they somehow jump the queue? 

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5 hours ago, Laurawithcats said:

Adding, I wouldn't expect Kelli to say much about Victoria leaving on the show. She didn't when Holly quit, Erica was never mentioned and said next to nothing when Courtney Cook left. I do believe she really does care about Victoria and won't divulge her personal business.

Don't forget that she had a very high opinion of Victoria as a DCC as she did with Holly and Erica until they messed up. And you do not want to explain on national tv why your stars retired/resigned early, no manager wants to make that call.

As for Courtney; I don't know Kelli's thoughts on her as a DCC or as a person but she seemed genuinely shocked by what happened to her. She may have regarded this as a personal failure of not being able to protect Courtney and a wake-up call that bad things like substance abuse and eating disorders exist in the perfect world of DCC.

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