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Despite the implausibility, my husband and I really enjoyed the show and can't wait for Part 2. Having been to Paris a couple of times long ago, it was great to be reminded of some of the beautiful locations. I also enjoyed challenging my old brain to understand the French dialogue (I wouldn't have understood anything without the English subtitles, but the subtitles helped me recognize many words and phrases as they were spoken).

One thing confused me and I don't think it's been mentioned in these comments: There was a flashback scene in one of the last episodes where he was in a restaurant with his friend (who was about to open the shop that would be both legitimate and a place to fence stolen goods) and saw a dark-haired young woman come in. Assane followed her to the bathroom and they had an encounter that made it clear they had been having an affair for some time, but he was ending it because it wasn't fair to Claire. (I assume this was 2014--about the time Claire got pregnant--since that is when he got the Belgian Congo jewels and Faberge egg.) The woman looked like Pellegrini's daughter. But why would Assane be having an affair with P's daughter (sorry, I am blanking on her name)? Was he using her in some way, or was this a real relationship that began when she kissed him at the pool when he was 14 (when his father was still working for P) or when they met again as adults? It seems highly unlikely he would have a relationship with her after what happened to his father and after he met Claire, unless it was part of a scheme to get revenge. Maybe this is something that will be shown in Part 2. But even if it is explained, it tainted my admiration for Assane because I find it hard to forgive men who cheat. Stealing from rich old ladies and the Louvre, OTOH--no problem (as long as the victims deserve it and you do it with style)!

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Just finished the first part and it was really good. Watching the dubbed previews is jarring because I’ve been watching in French with subtitles and it’s a million times better because the dubbed voices do not match the actor IMO, or maybe it’s because I’m used to their real voice.

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Just now, magdalene said:

Anybody watch part 2 yet?

Yes. Diop would crush Danny Ocean

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So far I’m liking it. Through the first two episodes, I figured out the twists but I still like seeing how everything plays out. Peligrino is despicable. I am hoping that Diop teams up with the detective because I enjoyed their scenes together in the first episode. I am also hoping that they don’t kill off his best friend for the season’s shocking death like they did with the journalist last season.

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For the prison swap, Assane told the prisoner that the guards had now changed, he had just spent a week in quarantine (do not a lot of face time) and was being taken to his new cell.  so a different guard would take him from the visiting area to a different part of the prison where other guards hadn’t seen him before.  I’m sure they figured paperwork could be wrong.  

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I just realized that I would have to go back and re-watch every previous episode, because I can remember so very little about this show.  I literally had to read every post in this thread so far to get an inkling of what even happened.  My own post didn't even help much.  *LOL*

Does part 2 dub all the voices in?  Because I just cannot abide dubbing.  I am totally fine with subtitles, but dubbing makes me cranky and stabby. 

I'll re-watch from the beginning if there's no ^$%@#!* dubbing.  I really can't stress that enough.  

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23 hours ago, leighdear said:

I just realized that I would have to go back and re-watch every previous episode, because I can remember so very little about this show.  I literally had to read every post in this thread so far to get an inkling of what even happened.  My own post didn't even help much.  *LOL*

Does part 2 dub all the voices in?  Because I just cannot abide dubbing.  I am totally fine with subtitles, but dubbing makes me cranky and stabby. 

I'll re-watch from the beginning if there's no ^$%@#!* dubbing.  I really can't stress that enough.  

I’ve watched the first three episodes of part two with subtitles.

A lot of this show still stretches disbelief plot wise. For example, why does Raoul’s kidnapper put him back in the car trunk? As for how he escapes, looking at the timing of events at the end of episode one, it seems hard to fit the pieces together reasonably (being purposely vague to avoid being too spoilery). And I’m still confused how Diop’s Plan B at the hotel in episode two came together timewise.

However so far I think I’m enjoying it more than the first part.

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On 6/12/2021 at 4:22 PM, leighdear said:

I'll re-watch from the beginning if there's no ^$%@#!* dubbing.  I really can't stress that enough.  

It's your choice to watch either with subtitles or dubbed.  Nobody is forcing  you to watch the dubbed version. Just select sub titles. Underneath the play button there is a bar that lets you select your audio preferences.

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Can you still hot wire cars? I thought electronic ignition made that a thing of the past.

I know shows like this demand a lot of handwaving, but it would be nice if some things were true to life.

Paris still looks gorgeous, so the location porn keeps me watching.

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Just finished watching episode 2 of season 2. 

A simple phone call to Raoul's mom would have gone a long way towards things going in a less...contentious direction. 

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The physical casting for the kids is really good.

It cracks me up that Diop is Public Enemy Number One. He's not involved in drugs, guns, or human trafficking, yet he's OMG TEH EVUL!!1!!

 

 

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2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It cracks me up that Diop is Public Enemy Number One. He's not involved in drugs, guns, or human trafficking, yet he's OMG TEH EVUL!!1!!

It's because he is a) robbing the rich and b) making the police look kind of incompetent.  Any time someone goes after or befuddles institutions, the filthy rich,etc. they are going to be the top of the search list.

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The Catacombs Management Company is either the Best or Worst employer in Paris... The ticket lady was probably there before 1995 and is still doing the same job in 2019...

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Just finished all of season 2 and I have to say I loved it in spite of the fairly ridiculous plot holes.

Seriously  - SPOILERS - getting tossed out of the equal of a 4-6 story window and landing on your back doesn't incapacitate you in some way?  I really did have to laugh at that when all of a sudden he is up and running after Raoul.

The unreality of all fights no longer bothers me as it is everywhere on every 'action' show.

I do love the cast and the lead is fabulous as are the child actors.  I even like Ben, what a transformation in epi 5.

The last episode was rollicking good fun.

I took this show to be similar to The Saint, Mission Impossible, Leverage (US), Hustle (UK) et. al., and the many other master white collar criminals who only rob the rich.

Can't wait for season 3 as I understand it has been renewed - at least I hope I read that right.

 

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I’m wondering what the premise of season three will be. And an UO but I preferred Assane with Juliette instead of Claire. I know they (Claire and Assane) are written as soulmates but I liked the chemistry between Juliette and Assane better, and I liked that they didn’t make her a bad person. 

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On 6/12/2021 at 6:22 PM, leighdear said:

Does part 2 dub all the voices in?  Because I just cannot abide dubbing.  I am totally fine with subtitles, but dubbing makes me cranky and stabby.

Netflix lets you customize your viewing experience on its originals.  You can choose which language you want your captioning/subtitles in and you can choose in which language you want your audio in.  The original language will have [Original] after it. 

10 minutes ago, kaygeeret said:

Can't wait for season 3 as I understand it has been renewed - at least I hope I read that right.

Looks like it.  And I'm guessing (hoping) the next season will be a completely different story.  I wonder if we'll see less of the family.  I also hope they do one story instead of splitting it into two as they did this time and as they do with Money Heist.  It is very hard to remember what happened before.  At least this show's story is rather simple so I figured it out pretty quickly.

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7 minutes ago, twoods said:

I’m wondering what the premise of season three will be. And an UO but I preferred Assane with Juliette instead of Claire. I know they (Claire and Assane) are written as soulmates but I liked the chemistry between Juliette and Assane better, and I liked that they didn’t make her a bad person. 

He has lost all his disguises and computers, Ben lost the store... so it should be a starting over story in a new town, probably working for some semi-retired master thief until they buy him out... 

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10 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Can you still hot wire cars? I thought electronic ignition made that a thing of the past.

I know shows like this demand a lot of handwaving, but it would be nice if some things were true to life.

Paris still looks gorgeous, so the location porn keeps me watching.

Not all cars have electronic ignition standard.   Assane apparently chose wisely in the parking lot.   I was surprised Raoul never broke out of the trunk.   I know American cars have an emergency latch in them for the express reason of getting out if kidnapped.  I was waiting for Leonard to open the trunk and find it empty after he was in the cafe.

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Loved it. Obviously there's some suspension of belief required, but it's just so fun. I was expecting the finale to involve the videos being played to the audience on the screen behind the orchestra. I was quite surprised when it was just Assane walking out onto the stage.

The room at the Park Hyatt where they kept Raoul was 813 - which matched Guedira's phone code. I'm assuming that is some tie to Lupin, but it never amounted to anything. They made a big point of showing the room number a couple of times too. Maybe something left on the cutting room floor?

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I know that you have to really suspend your disbelief to buy all of Assane's schemes working so smoothly, but I don't mind telling my disbelief to shut up for awhile because the show is so much fun. Its in the vein of Leverage or Hustle or the Arsène Lupin novels that the show was inspired by with the charming underdog rogue hero running circles around the corrupt rich jerk who they karmically rob and make to look foolish, the ways they do it are often pretty off the wall but that's half the fun. Of course Assane plans just get crazier and crazier but that just makes me enjoy the show even more. The audacity is all a part of the shows charm for me. Plus the actors are all excellent, especially Omar Sy who is a great leading man who absolutely sells every single part of the show. 

I am glad that the three main cops were all on the up and up, although I am not surprised that the Lupin fanboy ended up letting Assane go. I really hope that someone is taking care of J'accuse, who is still the goodest boy. The last time I think we saw him was when Assane was being set up for murder and had to flee his apartment, I hope that Assane can go back and find him soon, maybe leave him with Claire and Raul, the poor puppy has already been through enough without being left behind. I was really nervous that they would kill off Asane's best friend as a shocking death like the journalist from last season, very relieved that he made it. 

I am glad that there will be another season, although I am not sure what it could be about now that the bad guys have all been caught and Assane's fathers name was cleared. Maybe we follow him on another heist to bring down some other rich jerk? 

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6 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

I am not sure what it could be about now that the bad guys have all been caught and Assane's fathers name was cleared. Maybe we follow him on another heist to bring down some other rich jerk? 

As they say on Leverage "the rich and powerful take what they want.... we have leverage".

I know a lot of people are saying 'suspension of disbelief' with this show, but you have to admire how much he really THINKS and PLANS for every contingency.  How he can see a trap in the works, and how 'human nature' will react.  Appreciate intelligence, guys, this is his full time job.

 

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I think I discovered a sly art history joke in this show. Towards the end of episode 4 (after the catacombs scene), Pelligrini toasts Courbet with a drink and says “To the origin of the world, Courbet”. Courbet looks puzzled, and Pelligrini says “Money” with a chuckle.

”The Origin of the World” is a painting by Gustav Courbet, (in)famous for being a scandalous, very explicit female nude. Without getting graphic, I’d just say Courbet had a very different idea than money for the origin of the world. Being an art guy, I’m assuming Pelligrini was making a conscious joke to his money advisor.

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On 6/13/2021 at 11:04 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

I was surprised Raoul never broke out of the trunk.   I know American cars have an emergency latch in them for the express reason of getting out if kidnapped.

I thought he might do that, or disconnect a brake light.

On 6/14/2021 at 11:53 AM, RunningMarket said:

I was expecting the finale to involve the videos being played to the audience on the screen behind the orchestra. I was quite surprised when it was just Assane walking out onto the stage.

I also expected videos to play there, but it was just the self-timer photo his dad set up of the two of them, which was nice.

On 6/15/2021 at 3:50 PM, tennisgurl said:

I really hope that someone is taking care of J'accuse, who is still the goodest boy. The last time I think we saw him was when Assane was being set up for murder and had to flee his apartment,

I know! I couldn't believe we didn't find out what happened to him! Will season 3 be all about finding J'accuse? 😂 I would be into that.

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I don't remember, did we find out what happened to Ben after all this went down? I assume he'll take care of the dog :)

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Raoul seemed pretty passive through most of his ordeal. I expected him to be more like his father, since he's also into the Lupin books. I thought he'd be more clever and try to help himself. He seemed to be just waiting for Assane to do his thing.

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23 hours ago, jabRI said:

I don't remember, did we find out what happened to Ben after all this went down? I assume he'll take care of the dog :)

I only finished it a couple of days ago, but I can't quite remember! I think Ben is probably still a wanted man. He seemed very happy to give J'accuse back to Lupin, so I don't think Ben wants him. I think Raoul and Claire should get him.

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I’m wondering what the premise of season three will be. And an UO but I preferred Assane with Juliette instead of Claire. I know they (Claire and Assane) are written as soulmates but I liked the chemistry between Juliette and Assane better, and I liked that they didn’t make her a bad person.

I really liked this part of it too. Juliette is shown as being fairly clueless, I thought, but not evil - and I'm glad Lupin showed genuine care for her even while masterfully using her. I didn't really think they were pushing the Claire as soulmate story line - which I also appreciated! It seemed more like they love each other for their history and their kid. It seemed like there was still unfinished stories to be told from their teenage years beyond the violin but I'd be okay leaving those stories untold.

Raoul was awesome. The teenage casting work was aces across the board.

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On 6/13/2021 at 10:49 PM, twoods said:

I know they (Claire and Assane) are written as soulmates

I don't get that at all.  I get that they were once a thing, are trying to co-parent and are very different people.  I think there's a mutual affection, but love is definitely in the past tense.

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I definitely got the impression that they are going for an Assane/ Claire endgame. 

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While I liked the episodes, I have to admit the only characters I liked by the end were Raoul, J’accuse (who is taking care of him?! I worry.) and the non-corrupt cops. I have some sympathy for Claire but frankly couldn’t see why she would still even be friends with Assane after the whole stealing the violin thing (much less have a kid with him). Assane’s a dick, using people to get what he wants no matter the cost. Ben enables Assane, when he’s not directly engaged in one of Assane’s schemes. I’m interested to see if Assane is truly done, now that he has avenged his father, but since that wouldn’t make for an interesting show I’m sure there will be a new reason for his criminal behavior. But no matter what, I’ll watch it!

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On 6/15/2021 at 2:50 PM, tennisgurl said:

I know that you have to really suspend your disbelief to buy all of Assane's schemes working so smoothly, but I don't mind telling my disbelief to shut up for awhile because the show is so much fun.

I was going to say that, but not as well.

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I wasn't crazy for the first two episodes, but from there I thought it was a great end to this season.  I like how they use the small time jumps (1 week earlier, 3 weeks earlier, etc.) to show the behind the scenes machinations of Assane's elaborate plots. 

Like others, I find this show requires a lot of handwaiving, but I am glad to do it because it is such a fun show.  Yes, all Assane's plots require a lot of luck of people doing the right (or wrong) thing in the right (or wrong) place at the right (or wrong) time.  eh, I'll live with it.  The silliest of all of these was Ben and Assane staking out the library for a Lupin loving accomplice. 

I am selfishly hoping that the next season (are we calling it Season 2 or 3?) will move to England, just so I don't have to use subtitles any more!  I sort of hope that it doesn't involve Raoul or Claire, as I'm not a fan of either character.  Raoul acts like an 8 year old more than a 15 year old (or whatever age he is), and I think Claire is very one note.  Keep Ben around, though.  I like Ben.

As far as police pursuits of Ben and Assane...  They have nothing to charge Ben with at this point, right?  He should be able to get back his shop and the fun storage room hideaway.  For Assane, he's been cleared of everything relating to Pelligrini, and I don't think he's a suspect or accused in any other crimes (even though he's committed other crimes non-Pelligrini related), so why would the police still be chasing him? 

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On 7/1/2021 at 1:29 PM, chaifan said:

For Assane, he's been cleared of everything relating to Pelligrini, and I don't think he's a suspect or accused in any other crimes (even though he's committed other crimes non-Pelligrini related), so why would the police still be chasing him? 

I'm not sure about that. He should be cleared of murder, but wasn't he also being pursued by the police for stealing the necklace that was being auctioned at the beginning of the first season? Even though this was a Pelligrini-related crime, it's still theft of a high-value item. However, I'm still confused about whether the necklace he stole was real or fake. 

He also kidnapped the corrupt police chief and held him to get a confession, though I guess the police would not bring charges for that since Assane exposed the corruption. 

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  Just watched the first episode of 'Part Duex'.  What happened to  the master, gentleman thief?  The character from Part One was calm, cool, and prepared for every contingency.  He even had  bat-cave type lair.  
  But this guy .. he bumbled through the entire episode, stumbling around the abandoned house with a flashlight and calling out his son's name.  It looked as if he had never  broken into a house at night before.  He also had a lot of difficulty with the hand-to-hand combat with a older guy who was smaller than himself.  The guy from Part One seemed like a skilled fighter. 
  It was also a bit hard to believe a father would stand back while he thought he son was dying in a fire - no matter if someone was threatening to shoot him.  I suppose he was dumbed down for plot needs. 

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On 6/24/2021 at 10:26 AM, MargeGunderson said:

Assane’s a dick, using people to get what he wants no matter the cost.

I'm not sure if it is the writing, the acting, or the combination of each, but Assane comes off as sort of an arrogant jerk .. not a sophisticated gentleman thief.  I think they were trying for charming, suave and debonair, but he seems more like a ruthless, manipulative liar.  
Assane creeping around in Claire's apartment, watching her and her boyfriend asleep in bed - that's not a good look. 

I'm not sure how Assane is hanging around, carefree, in Paris cafes and restaurants. (In episode 8)  In the last episode, he escaped police custody and is now a known thief and criminal.  And for some reason Pellegrini also appears to have lost interest in finding Assane at the moment.

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