S15.E20: Carry On (Series Finale)

[gonzosgirrl]

It's the final ride for saving people and hunting things.

Original air date 11/19/2020

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Edited November 19, 2020 by gonzosgirrl

[ahrtee]

Air date is 11/19, just to have the record accurate. 😊

Edited November 19, 2020 by ahrtee

[gonzosgirrl]

11 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

Air date is 11/19, just to have the record accurate. 😊

Thanks! I had Episode 20 on the brain, apparently. 🙂

[ahrtee]

That's understandable. 😊  It's my librarian/archivist training that always gets in the way and insists on correcting things.  It annoys a lot of people.  

[gonzosgirrl]

12 minutes ago, ahrtee said:

That's understandable. 😊  It's my librarian/archivist training that always gets in the way and insists on correcting things.  It annoys a lot of people.  

As you can probably tell from the edit notation on pretty much every post I've ever made, I understand. And I'm not even a librarian! LOL.

[Binns]

I’m feeling optimistic which is probably a problem. 

[FlickChick]

I think this is going to be a tough night for me. Watching since day one. 🙁

[gonzosgirrl]

Not a day one viewer, but I feel like I was. For all my bitching, I'm going to miss these guys.

[Binns]

2 minutes ago, FlickChick said:

I think this is going to be a tough night for me. Watching since day one. 🙁

I started watching live around season 7 after binging the first seasons. I’ve absolutely fallen in love with all of them. Not even the last couple seasons can take that away (I kinda thought they could have ended after 11). I’m feeling very sentimental and started a rewatch a few days ago. Hoping for some awesome new fanfic too and have been revisiting faves there. 

[catrox14]

I'm feeling verklempt. As much as the show has annoyed me recently, I'm   gonna miss the hell out of Dean Winchester.

 

[Pondlass1]

End of an era. Hope it’s worthy.

[KayCordingly]

Looks like I'll be singing this to my dog one last time:

🎵 Carry on my wayward pup

They'll be treats when you are done

Lay your floppy ears to rest

Don't you whine no more 🎵

[shoetingstar]

I couldn't get into the forum earlier and thought ya'll blown it up on this last episode day!

[Binns]

16 minutes ago, shoetingstar said:

I couldn't get into the forum earlier and thought ya'll blown it up on this last episode day!

It was down for a minute! @gonzosgirrl and I found each other on Twitter crying out to Primetimer 😂😂

[BoxManLocke]

2 hours ago, Pondlass1 said:

End of an era. Hope it’s worthy.

 

Oh boy. This thread might be, be not for the right reasons

[Res]

I really wish they hadn't used the choir version of "Carry On".  It pulled me out of the story every time they did it.

[WaltersHair]

So, Heaven is Vancouver?

I watched the live ending of the X-Files 18 years ago and now I got to see the live ending of Supernatural. Seems fit.

[Morrigan2575]

Hahaha, watching the SPN special i said well at least I can't get Plec'd and, they did TVD ending?! 🙄

I'm just going to pretend last week was the finale.  

I will give them this, I liked the out of show ending with the cast/crew saying thank you and, goodbye. SPN was more than a show, or fandom it was a family.

Edited November 20, 2020 by Morrigan2575

[Castiels Cat]

Jensen did a good job. Hot mess. Not the way to end a series.

[weightyghost]

I CACKLED when Jared walked through that door with the gray wig. It was the one moment where I was finally tearing up but that took me right out of it. 

Otherwise... eh. Big eh. I would like to have imagined/hoped that pre-COVID there may have been a plan for Dean to see other characters in heaven, bringing back some old favs and they couldn't do that now. Otherwise it felt kind of empty. Dean/Bobby was sweet to me but I couldn't even get through Dean's death because I was just like oh. oh really. this is how it is. that's just it. Cool. coolcoolcool. 

[BoxManLocke]

Completely useless, lazy, utter crap.

Couldn't even muster a few good, heartfelt lines of dialogue to close out 15 years.

Just and endless stream of fake emotiony crap straight out of the series finale 101 book for preteens.

I'm immensely disappointed.

[Indigo Luna]

I kept checking the clock like I couldn't believe..that was...it...

[gonzosgirrl]

Now I understand why Jensen teased revisiting the series so often. Because he knew it would never happen.  No reboot, no movie, no mini series. No Dean, no Supernatural.  Goodbye, boys. 

[Frost]

I liked it.  The vampire thing was a bit lame, but without dedicating an entire episode to it, there wasn't really a way to make it truly scary.  I'm fine with Dean going out fighting.  That's what he wanted.  Jensen got a nice death scene out of it.  And Dean got his dog at the end!  And I'm fine with Sam ultimately having his apple pie life and living to a ripe old age.

So it looks like Jack took the angels and demons out of the equation but left plain old monsters on earth?  Seems a bit odd, but OK.

Nothing in this episode made me angry or disgusted or retroactively ruined the series for me, so that's a series finale for the win!

[patty1h]

Jensen's dying speech did me in... just tears.  Then, seeing Bobby in heaven.   Sam's story, strangely,  just washed over me with no emotional weight.   The rest... blech.

[Castiels Cat]

1 minute ago, weightyghost said:

I CACKLED when Jared walked through that door with the gray wig. It was the one moment where I was finally tearing up but that took me right out of it. 

Otherwise... eh. Big eh. I would like to have imagined/hoped that pre-COVID there may have been a plan for Dean to see other characters in heaven, bringing back some old favs and they couldn't do that now. Otherwise it felt kind of empty. Dean/Bobby was sweet to me but I couldn't even get through Dean's death because I was just like oh. oh really. this is how it is. that's just it. Cool. coolcoolcool. 

Not much of an epic fight either. This is the guy that owned Purgatory and took down nests solo.

[bettername2come]

They kept the dog! They gave us a final shirtless Sam scene! Dean got a pie festival! Robert Singer all Hitchcock laughing at Sam slam pie in Deans's face. A classic feel to the mystery - children in danger, family ripped apart, consulting Dad's journal. "If those kids are dead, he's gonna use a spoon." Pretty sure Dean fought Cain in that barn. Nice to see that vamp from the first vampire episode, not that I recognized her. Thought she died in that one. It's been so long. "I can't do this alone." "Yes, you can." "Well, I don't want to." Not a callback I expected. They said "always keep fighting!" Dean said "I love you so much." Oh, god the forehead touching. Quality crying. Leaving Sam alone is too cruel. Even the dog was sad. I love seeing Dean's "other, other, phone." 

"It ain't just heaven, Dean. It's the heaven you deserve." You raised a good kid. He made heaven heavenly. The original license plate! Sam named the boy Dean! Sammy meets him in heaven dressed very similar to how he dressed in season one. 

Dean deserved a better death. He deserved more of his peaceful, fully freewilled human life. We deserved a better Carry On montage. I wanted to see Cas in the finale. I need confirmation that Sam's with Eileen. Generic brunette in the background was not enough. I wanted that ending, but with Dean living longer. I wanted chances at a movie set in between last week's episode and the ending. I want Old Man Sam to get a haircut. 

Heaven waits for them. They got peace when they were done. That's enough. Like the boys said - It's okay.

[Castiels Cat]

1 minute ago, patty1h said:

Jensen's dying speech did me in... just tears.  Then, seeing Bobby in heaven.   Sam's story, strangely,  just washed over me with no emotional weight.   The rest... blech.

That death scene had me in tears too.

[Jediknight]

That was without a doubt not on Agents of SHIELD's level.  Sorry, I know SHIELD got shot before COVID, but the 2 finales I've seen this year, one gave the perfect ending to the show, and one didn't.

Couldn't get Donna, Charlie, Jody, Cas, Mary, or anybody besides Bobby back for the finale?  Just Bobby, and not even have Eileen back to be Sam's wife.  Was not a fan.

And what happened to Miracle?  Miracle should have at least been in Heaven at some point.

[Castiels Cat]

1 minute ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Now I understand why Jensen teased revisiting the series so often. Because he knew it would never happen.  No reboot, no movie, no mini series. No Dean, no Supernatural.  Goodbye, boys. 

Ehhhh it's Supernatural... there is always a way. He teases it because Dabb made a very bad ending.

Just now, Jediknight said:

That was without a doubt not on Agents of SHIELD's level.  Sorry, I know SHIELD got shot before COVID, but the 2 finales I've seen this year, one gave the perfect ending to the show, and one didn't.

Couldn't get Donna, Charlie, Jody, Cas, Mary, or anybody besides Bobby back for the finale?  Just Bobby, and not even have Eileen back to be Sam's wife.  Was not a fan.

And what happened to Miracle?  Miracle should have at least been in Heaven at some point.

Damn yes... where was Miracle. Dabb is Badd.

[BabySpinach]

OK, so Dean gets killed three days into enjoying his freedom while Sam gets to live a full life, have a kid, and die of old age. Fuck you, Dabb...

Why??? Why didn't Dean get a full life as well? Why did he have to die early from such a mundane cause? Did he not deserve happiness on Earth? I swear, the 10 minutes or so when it suddenly became the Sam Show was the most boring 10 minutes of my life.

Small comfort that Heaven's all opened up now instead of a prison, I guess. Still doesn't sit well with me that Dean basically got shelved forever, unable to do anything meaningful anymore. And seriously TPTB, what the FUCK???? Not a single peep about how Dean's death books had all changed at one point and that "death by oversized nail" was definitely not one of them? Not even a hand-wavy explanation about how Billie lied to him about it because she wanted him gone?

I don't think this episode has ruined the show for me. It was a pretty safe and predictable ending overall. But man, so many opportunities were missed. Still, Jensen acted the hell out of his death scene, as could be expected, and Dean will always remain in my heart as my all-time favorite fictional character.

[tennisgurl]

As underwhelming as last week was, they should have just left it with Sam and Dean on the road together. Deans last speech was heartbreaking and Jared and Jenson killed it, but mostly this just felt pointless. What a whimper of an ending for a show that’s lasted so long. 

[gonzosgirrl]

1 minute ago, Castiels Cat said:

Ehhhh it's Supernatural... there is always a way. He teases it because Dabb made a very bad ending.

I don't think so. Maybe if there were more time before Dean dying so there was story to tell. I think we're done here,

[jmonique]

WHAT IN THE ABSOLUTE HELL WAS THAT???

It's like the writers wrote the season thinking there'd be 19 episodes, they got done with last week's, presented it to the network and the CW was like: "Great! Can't wait to see what you have left for the finale?"

Writers: "Uh, this is the finale."

CW: "You better come up with something for the 20th episode, guys."

[SueB]

Well I cried.   I get the ending.  It was peaceful.
 

There’s a lot to unpack.  
things that come to mind:

- Cas helped redesign Heaven. HE’s not in the Empty
- They get to visit everyone.
-  I missed the opening montage but really liked the music cue in Heaven. 
- Like I said, a lot to unpack.   I’ll rewatch again.  

[shoetingstar]

Wow......

The bar was low enough to be six feet under and they still managed to Limbo rock under it. Stunning.

[jmonique]

SERIOUSLY, DID THEY RUN OUT OF MONEY OR SOMETHING?

Did Misha have somewhere else to BE that last week? 

The actual HELL?

[Binns]

Before I read the thread, I’m going to say I liked it. This was a theory on here and I liked the sound of it and I liked how they did it. I ugly cried through the whole second half for sure. JA...man, he can make me cry! I do wish we could have actually seen Eileen and Cas and even Jack but understand why we couldn’t. 

[Trickyquick]

Does anyone know where I can find that cover to "Carry on Wayward Son"  that they did in the end?

[roctavia]

Like a few others have said, it didn’t destroy the whole series for me like some series finales have.... but it was definitely disappointing in a lot of ways.

 

i know they only had so much time, but a nice montage of them saving people in the new world or something... and then Dean going down in a fight would have been nice... that Dean had a little time to write his own story for a little longer. 
 

But I did like that it ended on a happy note ( if you can call death happy) with Dean and Sam together with the people they care about in a place without worries. 
 

I know Covid complicated things but a long shot of Cass walking up or something would have been nice. 

[Binns]

11 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Now I understand why Jensen teased revisiting the series so often. Because he knew it would never happen.  No reboot, no movie, no mini series. No Dean, no Supernatural.  Goodbye, boys. 

Why do you think that? Nothing is forever!

[Castiels Cat]

1 minute ago, Binns said:

Before I read the thread, I’m going to say I liked it. This was a theory on here and I liked the sound of it and I liked how they did it. I ugly cried through the whole second half for sure. JA...man, he can make me cry! I do wish we could have actually seen Eileen and Cas and even Jack but understand why we couldn’t. 

What purpose did it serve other than to make you cry. 

How does it help end a 15 season run. 

How does it serve the story or the character.

Dean by the way is the better fighter. He has taken down multiple nests by himself and survived Purgatory for a year. 

This was a cake walk.

[Binns]

12 minutes ago, Frost said:

I liked it.  The vampire thing was a bit lame, but without dedicating an entire episode to it, there wasn't really a way to make it truly scary.  I'm fine with Dean going out fighting.  That's what he wanted.  Jensen got a nice death scene out of it.  And Dean got his dog at the end!  And I'm fine with Sam ultimately having his apple pie life and living to a ripe old age.

So it looks like Jack took the angels and demons out of the equation but left plain old monsters on earth?  Seems a bit odd, but OK.

Nothing in this episode made me angry or disgusted or retroactively ruined the series for me, so that's a series finale for the win!

Same here! My expectations were low and they met them. Didn’t hate it, liked a lot of it. I didn’t even mind the aging of Sam...better than I’ve seen on other shows or movies (Harry Potter, phew). 

[WaltersHair]

Interesting that Sam only had one son, not two so they could do a reboot with a younger cast.

I appreciated the thanks you at the end.

[Kanner]

As much as it was just ok, Jensen killed it and he had me crying.
Such a Dean thing to do to still be taking care of Sam even when he is dying. Telling Sam what he needed to hear to keep going. 
As much as I am not happy about Dean’s death or about it just being a fluke thing, I think it was the way Dean would want to go, especially since it was before Sam. Damn, the timeline is fuzzy but how much freedom from Chuck did Dean even get to enjoy?
Fast forwarded past most of the Sam stuff at the end. Though I did see he went to Texas and the awful grey wig. It gave me a laugh. 
I am not going to nitpick. I am going to let my annoyances go. 
THANK YOU SHOW! 
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING DEAN WINCHESTER INTO MY LIFE!
As Jensen said, he will always be with me. 

Edited November 20, 2020 by Kanner
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[Katy M]

I'm clearly in the minority, but I really liked it.  I feel they kind of gave us what they always said would happen.  Dean always said he wanted to go down swinging and that he wanted Sam to die of a heart attack at an old age.  I don't know if Sam had a heart attack, but whatever he died of, probably embodies the spirit.

That dog was perfection.

Yes, it would have been nice to have more returnees.  Especially John and Mary, but I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked it.  Especially since I've been whining the entire season.  I think it was a high note to go out on.  And, I like that it's over over. Because thinking of them hunting until they're old men just kind of made me sad.

[TheGreenKnight]

I loved this… It’s really a testament to how great the characters—and the actors—are that they can still make me ugly cry when one of them dies for the 1,000th time… Seeing Sam have to spend years and years without Dean was rough. They did a good job depicting him in the bunker alone with all those memories and how it just felt wrong. The two brothers in a real Heaven is how I always wanted it to end. I knew Dean would just keep driving until Sam was with him.

[jmonique]

I've chosen to mentally reject this and accept only the season five finale as the finale.

[Binns]

3 minutes ago, Castiels Cat said:

What purpose did it serve other than to make you cry. 

How does it help end a 15 season run. 

How does it serve the story or the character.

Dean by the way is the better fighter. He has taken down multiple nests by himself and survived Purgatory for a year. 

This was a cake walk.

I guess it wasn’t that deep for me, maybe. I knew they needed to wrap up their stories and this made some sense. Any hunter can be taken out anytime. He is a great fighter but a 300 pound vampire is a little tough to get around. Ending a 15 season run was always going to be impossible. It would have been difficult to please everyone. I liked it superficially, I liked that Dean found peace. He went out fighting. Just because he got taken out by a giant vamp it doesn’t discount his amazing past or skills. 

[shoetingstar]

10 minutes ago, BabySpinach said:

OK, so Dean gets killed three days into enjoying his freedom while Sam gets to live a full life, have a kid, and die of old age. Fuck you, Dabb...

Why??? Why didn't Dean get a full life as well? Why did he have to die early from such a mundane cause? Did he not deserve happiness on Earth? I swear, the 10 minutes or so when it suddenly became the Sam Show was the most boring 10 minutes of my life.

Small comfort that Heaven's all opened up now instead of a prison, I guess. Still doesn't sit well with me that Dean basically got shelved forever, unable to do anything meaningful anymore. And seriously TPTB, what the FUCK???? Not a single peep about how Dean's death books had all changed at one point and that "death by oversized nail" was definitely not one of them? Not even a hand-wavy explanation about how Billie lied to him about it because she wanted him gone?

I don't think this episode has ruined the show for me. It was a pretty safe and predictable ending overall. But man, so many opportunities were missed. Still, Jensen acted the hell out of his death scene, as could be expected, and Dean will always remain in my heart as my all-time favorite fictional character.

I SO wanted to be into it. Maybe because I was also cooking, but the set-up for Dean's death was so unheroic and they both seemed OOC. So I was greatly distracted. Maybe it'll hit me on a second, non-culinary viewing. Now, you could say - that's the point, it being a mundane hunt. But it felt more lazy than clever because of TPTB.

Either way, it doesn't make or break the show for me. It's been a helluva journey!