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No thread for this one? Antenna TV is now running this every day at 5 pm and was apparently supposed to get a reboot that now may not happen. It's also on Roku, but they only have a few seasons at a time and they're now up to the worst of the bunch, seasons 7 & 8.

I had forgotten how bad the show got by the end. I just turned off an episode about a tax audit that claimed that Tony and Angela were actually married because they registered as Mr & Mrs one time at a hotel in a certain state with the IRS claiming that registering that way in one state made them married in all states. Um, no. First of all, old sitcoms really overestimated the level of interest hoteliers and motel owners took in their guests (I hope, anyway). And second, it majorly strains credibility that the IRS would look so deeply into Tony and Angela's finances that they'd find one random hotel stay somewhere and use that as "proof" that they were secretly married. And also, I really don't think it's a crime to be married without filing jointly. It was just such a dumb premise.

I also watched an episode where we learn that Tony can't swim and is afraid of water, despite several earlier season episodes where he's happily splashing in the ocean. In more shallow news, Tony Danza's body was still incredible with a major 6-pack stomach amongst all the doughy dad bods.

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I have the first season on DVD (the only season that was released; sales didn't justify the release of subsequent seasons, I assume) and have most of my favorite episodes from other seasons on old tapes, but I haven't watched in quite a few years.  It was my favorite of the generic family sitcoms of the time; I loved Mona, really liked the chemistry between Tony and Angela (dragged out way too long of course), and liked the pace at which the Bowers and Micellis became a family. 

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Sam's a single mother. I wonder if she's widowed or divorced? In the original, there's one of each situation.

I've been watching the original and forgotten how much I like this show. I was Sam's age when it was on so I loved her story back then. Now I identify more with the grownups and their exasperation with teenage antics.

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Ooh! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE this show! And it's on Antenna, so I caught "Requiem" which was season one, episode 9, Christmas episode. Tony working two jobs to continue the rent on his father's apartment. I got misty at the end and then tag that the episode was in memory of Tony Danza's father, who just passed away.

But this made me laugh too. Especially when Angela is asking if Tony is okay; he's not in trouble with "them" is he? And Tony's like "who?"

Angela, in a deep, lower, raspy octave: "People who tawk like dis."

Me: 😂

Judith Light is just amazing in everything she does.

And I loved the back and forth blaming between Mona and Angela when they realized they were wrong about what Tony was doing and why.

But shoot! I missed the Betty White episode where Mona let Betty's sleazy reporter know she better not air her "piece" about Tony and Angela "sleeping" together. So, so awesome! I miss Katherine Helmond.

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 So why do they have to "try to work in" Angela and Johnathan?   I don't remember much of the later years.  Just Sam in some backdoor pilot for models and Tony and Angela together (I remember an episode where the drama was should Tony still get paid for keeping house).  

 Even in the first season Angela and Tony were basically surrogate parents for each other's children and Sam's living in Angela's old house so why is she not around / with Tony?   It sounds more like they don't want to include them. 

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15 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Is this shit still possible? 🤬🤬🤬

Not without the talented Katherine Helmond. Even with her gone and I know they would do a memorial in her honor, I don't know how this show would go on without her. She was the glue of that show. Kind of like George Gaines in Punky Brewster. We know they would honor the actor since he/she passed away due to natural causes, but it is going to feel very empty once a reboot happens.

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1 minute ago, Robert Lynch said:

Not without the talented Katherine Helmond. Even with her gone and I know they would do a memorial in her honor, I don't know how this show would go on without her. She was the glue of that show. Kind of like George Gaines in Punky Brewster. We know they would honor the actor since he/she passed away due to natural causes, but it is going to feel very empty once a reboot happens.

Agree, this show would be an empty shell without Katherine. I'm hoping it'll just languish and not happen. Sorry, I don't want a reboot of this. Just as I was happy the reboot of Remington Steele was quashed. I'd rather just know that Tony and Angela got married and that Sam and her Puppet maker Hubby also are still happily married, thankyouverymooch.

Back to the original show...

I know this is unpopular, but I hated what they did to Tony when he decided to go to college. The edges he had, that wonderful Brooklyn character, was massacred. No longer did I we get the rough around the edges Tony with his "Ay Oh! Oh Ay!" but instead someone who talked and acted like he'd never grown up in Brooklyn, let alone New Yawk.

And also the multiple retcons of his character. We knew in the early seasons that Tony was one of the cool kids. But in later seasons, like that season 6? 7? episode at that new health club, Show actually expected me to believe Tony had been a NERD? PUHLEAZE.

I'm looking forward to the first guest appearance of James Coco. Antenna apparently is airing Season 4 during the week and Season 1 on Sundays.

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20 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Judith Light is just amazing in everything she does.

I was a little too young to have watched her Emmy winning role Karen Wolek on One Life to Live but I had seen the clips of her in the courtroom and she so deserved those awards.

She left the soap and went to Hollywood and ended up on a sitcom.  Who knew she could do comedy?

She is one of those actresses who just elevates whatever material is given to her.  I even enjoyed her on the Dallas reboot a few years back.  

Back to Who's the Boss. I haven't seen an episode in years and I'm not sure I ever saw the final two seasons.  I know it streams on the IMDB channel I think.  Maybe it's time to do a complete rewatch.

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5 minutes ago, ifionlyknew said:

She left the soap and went to Hollywood and ended up on a sitcom.  Who knew she could do comedy?

When this show premiered, Entertainment Tonight interviewed her and she revealed that the two things she would never do was "soaps and sitcoms" yet, she did One Life to Live and was now on Who's the Boss?! I think her passion was theatre.  She was really self-deprecating about it. It was a wonderful interview. I think it was done after it turned out that this show was a hit.

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3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

When this show premiered, Entertainment Tonight interviewed her and she revealed that the two things she would never do was "soaps and sitcoms" yet, she did One Life to Live and was now on Who's the Boss?! I think her passion was theatre.  She was really self-deprecating about it. It was a wonderful interview. I think it was done after it turned out that this show was a hit.

Judith Light could play anything which shows how good she is in roles. She could play a loving mother, a sympathetic woman near death, a deceptive hateful woman from Hell, etc. Anything! She's that good. I wish she did another Ryan Murphy project. 

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I just started rewatching this show on Crackle, but they only have episodes starting at Season 4.  I remembered loving this as a kid (and of course I still can't help singing loudly and harmonizing to the theme song every single time).  And it's still so funny!  Mona is the best! But the entire cast, even the kids, are phenomenal in their roles.  

On 11/24/2020 at 10:33 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

I know this is unpopular, but I hated what they did to Tony when he decided to go to college. The edges he had, that wonderful Brooklyn character, was massacred. No longer did I we get the rough around the edges Tony with his "Ay Oh! Oh Ay!" but instead someone who talked and acted like he'd never grown up in Brooklyn, let alone New Yawk.

I hear ya. I just watched the episode where Tony is in the speech class and the way the professor speaks to him and embarrasses him about his accent and Brooklyn-speak is so cringeworthy (and triggering - I'm Caribbean and when I moved to the US as a kid, people assumed that because I had an accent, I was dumb), especially since Tony was already such a great communicator with his "gift for gab".

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On 11/24/2020 at 10:33 AM, GHScorpiosRule said:

Agree, this show would be an empty shell without Katherine. I'm hoping it'll just languish and not happen. Sorry, I don't want a reboot of this. Just as I was happy the reboot of Remington Steele was quashed. I'd rather just know that Tony and Angela got married and that Sam and her Puppet maker Hubby also are still happily married, thankyouverymooch.

Back to the original show...

I know this is unpopular, but I hated what they did to Tony when he decided to go to college. The edges he had, that wonderful Brooklyn character, was massacred. No longer did I we get the rough around the edges Tony with his "Ay Oh! Oh Ay!" but instead someone who talked and acted like he'd never grown up in Brooklyn, let alone New Yawk.

And also the multiple retcons of his character. We knew in the early seasons that Tony was one of the cool kids. But in later seasons, like that season 6? 7? episode at that new health club, Show actually expected me to believe Tony had been a NERD? PUHLEAZE.

I'm looking forward to the first guest appearance of James Coco. Antenna apparently is airing Season 4 during the week and Season 1 on Sundays.

Yes, once they sanded off the edges of his character, he kinda became annoying. He was originally a great counterbalance to Angela's rigidity and had such a natural chemistry with Mona, but once they suburbanized him, those same dynamics weren't there.

And Mona's character suffered later in the series as well. Early Mona definitely teased Angela a lot, but she was always there for her when it counted (like blackmailing Betty White's character into killing the story on Angela), but later Mona was just nasty to her 24/7. 

I can always tell when the episodes are going to cross into the zone of Tony and Mona's character's going south when I see their hair. Tony's longish, to the collar cut and Mona's darker red, hairsprayed look always signifies the newer versions of their characters. 

I like the show right up to season 6, but it goes off the rails sharply after that.

As for the reboot, last I saw, it got shelved (one article said it was due to Alyssa Milano's public persona w/regard to the MeToo movement, but not sure if that was just an opinion piece or not). 

If they were to do a reboot, they should work in a reference to the silliness of the show's title and how it's a product of a bygone era (and frankly, it was outdated even in the 80s). Angela owned the home, she ran an ad for a housekeeper who she was going to pay to run her household. Just because the person answering the ad is a man, he's suddenly in the running to be head of household in a complete stranger's house? In what universe is there even a question of who the boss is??

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They were originally thinking of She's the Boss for the title, which was bad enough, but by the time they got the green light to shoot a pilot, it was You're the Boss, which was less sexist.  But they ultimately turned it into a question, and, yeah, Who's the Boss? is really gross for a show that claimed to be predicated on dismantling gender roles.

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On 11/28/2020 at 7:40 PM, Bastet said:

They were originally thinking of She's the Boss for the title, which was bad enough, but by the time they got the green light to shoot a pilot, it was You're the Boss, which was less sexist.  But they ultimately turned it into a question, and, yeah, Who's the Boss? is really gross for a show that claimed to be predicated on dismantling gender roles.

Would a show in 1984 really have a valid claim of trying to dismantle gender roles anyway?  I mean the basic notion of a man being the housekeeper was cribbed from Mr. Mom (from just the year before, and a big hit, so rest assured it was the influence), but both were presented as comedies.  It's more like they were joking about and around the idea of dismantling gender roles than actually doing so. I mean even the title of "Mr. Mom" seems barbaric in retrospect, probably even more than "Who's The Boss".  They're practically saying "Dad is funny because he's trying to be Mom".

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This is the problem with marathon watching--as an adult, I pick up on the continuity screw ups, and get riled.

First, we know that Angela isn't a natural blonde, right? Her hair in the pilot hadn't had the platinum blonde treatment. It was more goldenish. But in the premiere of season two, during the flashback at "Kissing Rock", we see a 13 year old Angela, who is a...blonde. Fast forward to season 6 or was it 7, with that insult of an episode where Tony "reveals" he was also a super nerd in high school, which I don't buy for a second. Angela had dark brown hair.

Then there's Tony. In "Sam's Growing Up" where Sam gets her first bra, Tony has a line that says he's 30. So that means he and Marie (his wife) got married when he was 18, as Sam was turning 12. This is halfway through the first season, and not the pilot, so I'm going to be nitpicky over this.

When Nick, Tony's father-in-law makes his first appearance, or was it his second, there was a line about how Tony and Marie were childhood sweethearts; yet we have Tony always talking about such and such twins, or such and such sisters, or falling out of so and so's window, when he was a teenager. Kinda sorta contradicts the whole Tony and Marie being together since...well, as long as they were.

And as for that tart in the bar in "Angela's First Fight", I'm gonna hand wave that Tony boinked her after he was widowed. Sam didn't like her, either.

Sadly imdbtv only has the first two seasons, so those are the only ones I can see unedited. Antenna is airing both seasons one and four; the former on Sundays, the latter during the week. Watched "A Farewell to Nick" and I was bawling. 

Then there was the episode where "Tony saw Angela Naked! Tony Saw Angela Naked!" What has always bugged me about that episode was how Mona's professor came to be at Angela's house. Was she trolling or stalking for men? Or Tony specifically? Because she sure as hell didn't know whose house it was, and was surprised to find Mona there.

And it struck me, she also appeared on Remington Steele in "Beg, Borrow, or Steele" @Bastet! She played one of Steele's con artist friends-turned-murderer, and killed their friends who were staying in his condo. Except she was blonde in that episode.

But until season sixish, Mona was the best. I think it was around then, or maybe it was season 7, that the character just got meaner.

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