Claire.....wait, There’s a Justin?

[Ljohnson1987]

Claire always looked way older than Justin. it's everything but a husband/wife relationship. 

[oliviabenson]

Anything new on them?

[Salacious Kitty]

35 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Anything new on them?

We should see them in Hilaria's Big Sandy retrospective at the end of the month. 

[SMama]

42 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

We should see them in Hilaria's Big Sandy retrospective at the end of the month. 

Will we be seeing the Duggars in that retrospective? I thought they were there when the FF was arrested. 

[GeeGolly]

Did no Duggars post on Easter? They best be careful, posting at Christmas but not Easter because folks might think they're heathens. 

[BetyBee]

Big buckles for the manly men. Not sure about Papa Spivey.

[Salacious Kitty]

Geez Robbie, it's Easter. Take your hat off. 

[oliviabenson]

Well Justin still looks 15 and his missus is not visibly pregnant…

Robbie must be losing his hair? Take the hat off.

[Heathen]

5 hours ago, oliviabenson said:

Well Justin still looks 15 and his missus is not visibly pregnant…

Robbie must be losing his hair? Take the hat off.

Or he's got a really funny-shaped head! Maybe he's got a ten-head instead of a forehead. 

[CalicoKitty]

Claire and Justin do look happy.  I'm happy for him that he found a family that pays a lot of attention to him.

[laurakaye]

On 4/10/2023 at 11:35 AM, BetyBee said:

Big buckles for the manly men. Not sure about Papa Spivey.

And those aren't considered eye-traps?  Or doesn't it work the same for the menfolk?

 

[libgirl2]

18 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

Claire and Justin do look happy.  I'm happy for him that he found a family that pays a lot of attention to him.

He doesn't get lost in the crowd. 

[andromeda331]

9 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

He doesn't get lost in the crowd. 

And they know his name.

[SMama]

Have they been married two years? That is a record for a Duggar without a pregnancy. If they are waiting it is a good idea to give Justin time to mature, and both to get to know each other. 

[ginger90]

15 minutes ago, SMama said:

Have they been married two years? That is a record for a Duggar without a pregnancy. If they are waiting it is a good idea to give Justin time to mature, and both to get to know each other. 

Their wedding was February, 2021, I think?

[crazy8s]

Hilary certainly isn't as eager to marry off Robbie as she was with Clair and Justin. Robbie is 19, Justin is 20 and been married 2 years.

Hilary really wanted that tv fame.

I do find it interesting the Duggar in laws that allowed early marriage when there was a show, are slower in marrying off their other children. There are currently 2  Swansons,  2 Caldwells and 1 Spivey of fundie courting/marrying age.

 

[Zella]

I'm increasingly convinced it's a fertility issue and not them making a decision to wait. 

[libgirl2]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

I'm increasingly convinced it's a fertility issue and not them making a decision to wait. 

Yes, these are Duggars after all. 

[Salacious Kitty]

5 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Hilary certainly isn't as eager to marry off Robbie as she was with Clair and Justin. Robbie is 19, Justin is 20 and been married 2 years.

Hilary really wanted that tv fame.

I do find it interesting the Duggar in laws that allowed early marriage when there was a show, are slower in marrying off their other children. There are currently 2  Swansons,  2 Caldwells and 1 Spivey of fundie courting/marrying age.

 

From what we've seen of Robbie, he's way too immature to get married. He's up there in James Duggar levels of redneck frat boy shenanigans. 

[Ljohnson1987]

We shouldn't speculate on JusClaire's fertility.  If they want us to know, they'll tell us. 

[Kiss my mutt]

Interesting lot, there. 

[GeeGolly]

Hilary was married at age 21 and had her first child a month before turning 23. So she must have gotten pregnant around 5 months after the wedding. They then went on to have five more kids - but in 15 years. Claire, the oldest is 22 and the youngest is almost 7. The other kids are 19, almost 17, 13 and 11.

Age wise, Claire would be pregnant soon if she follows in her mom's footsteps. 

[Heathen]

I wonder if the Spiveys felt sorry for Justin Random Duggar, and gave him a job and let him marry Claire partly to get him away from Arkansas. You can't tell me that even allegedly "thirsty" fundies don't see something wrong with the way the Duggars and Bateses treated their children. Otherwise, there'd be a lot more fundie families with 10 malnourished kids to a bedroom. 

[Zella]

But aren't the Spiveys long-time friends who were also part of Josh's "treatment" for attacking his sisters? I don't doubt that there are some who raise an eyebrow at the Bates and Duggar families within these circles, but I am not sure that the Spiveys are one of them. Hilaria seemed positively delighted to be joined with them officially. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Zella

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

But aren't the Spiveys long-time friends who were also part of Josh's "treatment" for attacking his sisters? I don't doubt that there are some who raise an eyebrow at the Bates and Duggar families within these circles, but I am not sure that the Spiveys are one of them. Hilaria seemed positively delighted to be joined with them officially. 

Yes, they are connected to Josh’s “treatment.”  🤮 

[GeeGolly]

There are so many perceptions of the Duggars - wholesome, backwards, hateful, righteous, good, bad, etc, but I don't think starving kids is one of them. They've shown stocked pantries from the get go and haven't struggled for money in decades.

Jill may have snuck into the bathroom to eat some food served at a meal, but she wouldn't have starved if she didn't. She just would have had to eat something else. Like instead of tater tot casserole she might have had to eat cold green beans out of a can.

I didn't know Hilaria was around during the molestations, I thought that was the Holt wife. I know she, along with the FF's bestie Pecan-man supported him during the court case, but I thought they only knew each other in the sweet friend Fundy way prior to Justin.

[Salacious Kitty]

Hilaria's husband was a manager at the construction site where FF was sent after his first offenses about 20 years ago now. He couldn't have been much of a manager, as he would have only been about 25. But he was married to Hilaria then, so she was there. No clue how much she actually saw.

[Heathen]

On 4/13/2023 at 1:26 PM, AstridM said:

Yes, they are connected to Josh’s “treatment.”  🤮 

How much of the truth were they actually told? Remember, this cult thinks that consensual adult porn is as deviant as child porn. They could have been told that Josh was "sexually inappropriate" and just assumed he got caught with an SI swimsuit issue or something the normal world would consider innocuous for a teenage boy. Considering that Jim Bob and Michelle didn't intend to tell Josh's wife (the Holt girl) until after they were married, I would bet 19 ice cream cakes that the Spiveys weren't told anything even close to the truth about why Josh was "punished." 

[Salacious Kitty]

15 minutes ago, Heathen said:

How much of the truth were they actually told? Remember, this cult thinks that consensual adult porn is as deviant as child porn. They could have been told that Josh was "sexually inappropriate" and just assumed he got caught with an SI swimsuit issue or something the normal world would consider innocuous for a teenage boy. Considering that Jim Bob and Michelle didn't intend to tell Josh's wife (the Holt girl) until after they were married, I would bet 19 ice cream cakes that the Spiveys weren't told anything even close to the truth about why Josh was "punished." 

Pa Spivey worked at the IBLP center (Little Rock) where FF was sent after his first offense. I imagine he knew why FF was there. 

[Heathen]

On 6/16/2023 at 12:35 AM, Salacious Kitty said:

Pa Spivey worked at the IBLP center (Little Rock) where FF was sent after his first offense. I imagine he knew why FF was there. 

That he molested his sisters and another child? I doubt it. They weren't going to tell his wife. They certainly weren't going to embarrass THEMSELVES (first and always, their biggest priority) by telling someone they weren't close to. 

Again, I bet they were NOT told the truth. 

[Salacious Kitty]

17 minutes ago, Heathen said:

That he molested his sisters and another child? I doubt it. They weren't going to tell his wife. They certainly weren't going to embarrass THEMSELVES (first and always, their biggest priority) by telling someone they weren't close to. 

Again, I bet they were NOT told the truth. 

Then what excuse was given for him being there? It was a place parents sent their wayward sons. 

[Notabug]

7 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Then what excuse was given for him being there? It was a place parents sent their wayward sons. 

They probably told them some BS about how he had sinned without giving specifics.  These are also people who think that child molestation is no worse sin than shoplifting a candy bar from 7-11.  

[awaken]

On 6/19/2023 at 9:32 AM, Notabug said:

They probably told them some BS about how he had sinned without giving specifics.  These are also people who think that child molestation is no worse sin than shoplifting a candy bar from 7-11.  

I imagine they said something like “Joshua has made some bad choices.”, Like Anna did.

Edited June 21, 2023 by awaken

[kaleidoscope]

Since Hilary has been rather obnoxious lately, she is drawing attention to herself and family.  WOACB is reporting that Justin and Claire's marriage was a quick one due to Justin's behavior at IBLP camp.  It seems he was kissing another girl.  JB&M freaked out.  The girl's family was not fundie enough for the Duggars.   They immediately went looking for a girl/spouse for Justin.  Justin wanted his girlfriend and Claire wanted Jason.  So much for true feelings.  JB and the Spiveys made the deal to pair up Justin and Claire and for them to be watched over in Texas.

WOACB has quite a narrative about it all.  It was interesting reading.  It's on her FB page.

[crazy8s]

It seems Justin lived with the Spiveys for some amount of time pre courtship. Also there was this at the TTH shown when Justin got his wisdom teeth out and Claire said it was made for something else.

[Zella]

I take everything Balls says with a tremendous grain of salt, but if it is actually true that Claire was more interested in Jason than Justin, that makes her mother's fixation on Jason afterward . . . psychologically interesting. 

[Natalie68]

On 4/10/2023 at 7:43 AM, GeeGolly said:

Did no Duggars post on Easter? They best be careful, posting at Christmas but not Easter because folks might think they're heathens. 

The mom reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry's gf looks pretty in one light and absolutely homely in another.  Justin is such a gd goober. Ok, the whole clan are goobers.  Claire looks 40.

[lookeyloo]

The dad looks like Cliff Claven on cheers

[AstridM]

The kid on the right with the massive belt buckle looks ridiculous.

[libgirl2]

58 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

The mom reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry's gf looks pretty in one light and absolutely homely in another.  Justin is such a gd goober. Ok, the whole clan are goobers.  Claire looks 40.

Claire is very pretty but Justin looks like her younger (way) brother. 

[Absolom]

2 hours ago, kaleidoscope said:

Since Hilary has been rather obnoxious lately, she is drawing attention to herself and family.  WOACB is reporting that Justin and Claire's marriage was a quick one due to Justin's behavior at IBLP camp.  It seems he was kissing another girl.  JB&M freaked out.  The girl's family was not fundie enough for the Duggars.   They immediately went looking for a girl/spouse for Justin.  Justin wanted his girlfriend and Claire wanted Jason.  So much for true feelings.  JB and the Spiveys made the deal to pair up Justin and Claire and for them to be watched over in Texas.

I wonder how much is fact and how much is Crystal Ball's imagination/interpretation.  She would be such easy prey for a vindictive fundie.

[BetyBee]

3 hours ago, kaleidoscope said:

Since Hilary has been rather obnoxious lately, she is drawing attention to herself and family.  WOACB is reporting that Justin and Claire's marriage was a quick one due to Justin's behavior at IBLP camp.  It seems he was kissing another girl.  JB&M freaked out.  The girl's family was not fundie enough for the Duggars.   They immediately went looking for a girl/spouse for Justin.  Justin wanted his girlfriend and Claire wanted Jason.  So much for true feelings.  JB and the Spiveys made the deal to pair up Justin and Claire and for them to be watched over in Texas.

WOACB has quite a narrative about it all.  It was interesting reading.  It's on her FB page.

I take WOACB with a grain of salt, but if this is true, it's very sad. I know nothing about Jason, but it would have been so difficult for two teen-agers to be forced together when their interests lie elsewhere. JimBob's controlling nature has ruined so many lives. 

[Salacious Kitty]

WOACB and Hilaria are at war! I guess KJ posted regarding Hilaria's delusions, and got blocked. Now KJ is calling her a liar. Good times. 😂

[crazy8s]

I did not watch whatever miss balls posted but wasn't the old "reported" rumor that Justin was caught a little too close to one of the Andregg sisters right after he began courting claire?

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

I did not watch whatever miss balls posted but wasn't the old "reported" rumor that Justin was caught a little too close to one of the Andregg sisters right after he began courting claire?

She posted it on Insta. I just read it. She didn't name the girl, but says she has "sources" who place Juddy and the girl on a golf cart. Says the Duggars didn't approve of the girl's family because they weren't totally devoted to the IBLP. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[auntieminem]

WOAB said Hilary and husband wanted Jason  for Claire but Claire wanted Justin. Jason was not causing problems and Duggs wanted to get Justin with the Spiveys. She said Justin was a "player" and was involved with more than one girl.  Don't know if any of this is true but makes for an interesting story.  Hilary really wanted to be connected to the Duggars and her husband and helped "fix" Josh when he went away to "work off the sin camp".  So they took Justin. 

Edited June 21, 2023 by auntieminem

[Salacious Kitty]

3 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

WOAB said Hilary and husband wanted Jason  for Claire but Claire wanted Justin. Jason was not causing problems and Duggs wanted to get Justin with the Spiveys. She said Justin was a "player" and was involved with more than one girl.  Don't know if any of this is true but makes for an interesting story.  Hilary really wanted to be connected to the Duggars and her husband and helped "fix" Josh when he went away to work off the sin camp.  So they took Justin. 

And KJ ended her rant by saying that Rob Spivey fixing the FF worked out really well. I wish Hilaria would see this and respond in kind. 😂

[sagittarius sue]

3 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

She said Justin was a "player" and was involved with more than one girl.

It seems that Justin was a normal 17 year old boy who probably wanted to date.  Poor kid to be stuck with JB's rules.

[mythoughtis]

5 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

It seems that Justin was a normal 17 year old boy who probably wanted to date.  Poor kid to be stuck with JB's rules.

Yes. In their world, he was too close to a girl if he spoke to her without 15 adults present.   So he probably said Hi to someone and that caused a panic. 

2 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

 

Edited June 21, 2023 by mythoughtis

[auntieminem]

12 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

It seems that Justin was a normal 17 year old boy who probably wanted to date.  Poor kid to be stuck with JB's rules.

It is sad for all the kids. I know there are other cultures where the parents do arranged marriages but I just think about it happening in the US that much. Just thinking of these two families basically making deals and deciding who their kids should marry. If the story is true, at least Claire got the one she wanted. The stupid practice of the men asking fathers if they can marry their daughter. Their kids are like property to be possessed and traded.