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I'm guessing that the shit must hit the fan at the next reunion in order for Dorinda to be let go.   Andy is definitely annoyed with her, but so far he doesn't have that "you're fired" look in his eyes.  I'm curious as to what the final straw actually was.

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16 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

She is the only one who had a problem with Leah’s behavior, Sonja was right there with Lean acting extremely messy on all the same occasions,

Sure, but Ramona has known Sonja for years and knows what the deal with Sonja is; she doesn't need to look for an explanation for it.  She didn't know Leah very well and I think she was looking for a something that would explain why Leah gets dialed up to 100 when she's drinking.

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5 minutes ago, Steph J said:

Sure, but Ramona has known Sonja for years and knows what the deal with Sonja is; she doesn't need to look for an explanation for it.  She didn't know Leah very well and I think she was looking for a something that would explain why Leah gets dialed up to 100 when she's drinking.

My point was she brought up the bipolar thing to Sonja, Sonja wasn’t looking for an explanation for Leah’s actions. Ramona was just trying to justify her reaction to Leah. It didn’t seem to me to come out of concern but rather a gross mental illness shaming of why she shouldn’t be trusted to behave.

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16 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

My point was she brought up the bipolar thing to Sonja, Sonja wasn’t looking for an explanation for Leah’s actions. Ramona was just trying to justify her reaction to Leah. It didn’t seem to me to come out of concern but rather a gross mental illness shaming of why she shouldn’t be trusted to behave.

I honestly didn't take it any way other than Ramona attempting to explain the behavior.  I give her a pass on thinking Leah was on medication  for the disorder.  Wrong or not I probably would have assumed that myself based upon the people I know with the disorder who all require medication as part of their treatment.

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Does anyone else see that Ramona is a little off when she speaks about certain things?  There are times when she speaks like a child, especially when she’s trying to prove a point.  It’s like a 12 yr old is talking.

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7 minutes ago, ichbin said:

I honestly didn't take it any way other than Ramona attempting to explain the behavior.  I give her a pass on thinking Leah was on medication  for the disorder.  Wrong or not I probably would have assumed that myself based upon the people I know with the disorder who all require medication as part of their treatment.

And regardless of her motivations, it's still bizarre to me that Leah went on a reality TV show where getting drunk is part of her job and is clutching over her pearls because Ramona mentioned the mental illness she knows Leah has because she wrote about it publicly when they were on the TV show Leah has agreed to expose herself on. Who goes on a reality show feeling entitled to the show protecting her secrets from her child?

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1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

 This is heavy Leah favoritism once again, and the conspiracy theorist in me thinks it’s because she’s, ahem, cough, sputter, “young and beautiful” (Andy’s words, not mine), which is this new demographic Bravo is apparently targeting.  

From what I've read it seems younger people are more off of network television the older people.  Plus it is the older people who often have the discretionary income needed to purchase those goods being advertised by sponsors.  It seems a no brainer to me that shows featuring and appealing to boomers would be a benefit to their bottom line.

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1 hour ago, Steph J said:

You know, I'm kind of on Ramona's side with the whole Leah is bipolar thing.  I actually don't think Ramona brought it up to be malicious, I think she was genuinely trying to explain Leah's OTT behavior.  I get that Leah is upset that the information ended up on the show and she had to talk to her daughter about it, but at the same time Leah did write about it herself before she was even on the show.  It was out there already.  If her daughter was inclined to google her, that article would probably come up.

It wouldn't shock me in the least to find out that Kiki already read that article before Ramona even brought it up on the show.  Google is most young kids' best friend (as it is to almost everyone).  They are always looking things up on the internet, usually using a search engine like Google.

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8 minutes ago, ichbin said:

From what I've read it seems younger people are more off of network television the older people.  Plus it is the older people who often have the discretionary income needed to purchase those goods being advertised by sponsors.  It seems a no brainer to me that shows featuring and appealing to boomers would be a benefit to their bottom line.

This is what I’ve read too.  Did you read that in Porn Generation?  That’s where I read it.  The book destroyed the myth of the importance of the 18-34 demographic, which was basically nonsense ginned up by marketers because that age bracket is allegedly fun to market to, but the real money is in boomers, as you so astutely pointed out.  

It’s funny that we can know this, but an entire network can be disillusioned by something that was probably pitched to them by a millennial who was educated beyond his or her level of intelligence.  

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4 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

It’s funny that we can know this, but an entire network can be disillusioned by something that was probably pitched to them by a millennial who was educated beyond his or her level of intelligence.  

Betches in a nutshell 🥜 

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Leah doesn't deserve a raise..she needs to get some help.  I hope she doesn't come back.

Also, leah looks older than Tinsley and luann..and has a double standard where it's ok for her to blast people..but no one can blast her. 

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All I know is that I actually FELL ASLEEP during this rousing PART 2 of the RHONY reunion.  And I was awake when it first came on!  I kinda zoned out at first, and opened my eyes @ 9:08 thinking, "whut the hell? I thought this thing was about OVER" and then zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.....

  If LEAH is the future of this show... We are gonna have to start watching  Salt Lake City!

And just a tiny question.  WTF is UP with all those elbow length GLOVES that woman wears?? Bad case of psoraisis? Reynaud's? WHAT??

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3 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I don’t believe Luann’s crocodile tears about her father now.  I think it’s a totally cynical attempt to sell books.  Like I stated at the time the episode aired, when Heather tried to talk to Luann about her father in season five, Luann balked and not in a this-hurts-too-much-to-discuss-way, but in a this-isn’t-interesting-to-me-at-all kind of way.  

Thank you for addressing this.  I couldn’t understand why we never really heard LuAnn talk about her father in the past.  Now it makes sense.

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1 hour ago, Emmeline said:

couldn’t understand why we never really heard LuAnn talk about her father in the past.  Now it makes sense.

Eh. Based on what Sonja has shared on the show she had no family other than her husband’s and objects when people mention her life as a hostess where she met the man who she was only married to for 7 years. Her childhood and family is never touched upon. 

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5 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

because u arnt hearing Dorindas shrill voice screaming about transparency over and over anymore lol

And for all her screaming about transparency, she still won't address her drinking issues. She'd rather share her castmates episodes while overlooking her own. Part three needs dorinda to own being a nasty drunk.

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3 hours ago, ichbin said:

From what I've read it seems younger people are more off of network television the older people.  Plus it is the older people who often have the discretionary income needed to purchase those goods being advertised by sponsors.  It seems a no brainer to me that shows featuring and appealing to boomers would be a benefit to their bottom line.

True, all 4 of my kids (aged 23 to 36) don't use their TV screens for anything other than Netflix and gaming. I don't think they would recognize the Bravo brand.

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5 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

And regardless of her motivations, it's still bizarre to me that Leah went on a reality TV show where getting drunk is part of her job and is clutching over her pearls because Ramona mentioned the mental illness she knows Leah has...

Mentioning?  If Ramona doesn't like a castmate getting any kind of attention over her, she searches for any negative or iffy info she can use to dim that castmate's light. Saying a drunk person behaved that way because she mixed her bipolar meds with alcohol is a blatant lie that Ramona gleefully threw out there. I took a valium at my father's funeral 7 years ago and I do not drink. But if someone saw me last night, affected by some champagne I was toasting a couple with, can they then say, she's dizzy cause she drinking on valium? We catch Ramona lying every season. The only difference between her and Dorinda is Ramona is quick to say sorry and expects everyone to get over it. When Leah wrote about her experience being prescribed meds for bipolar, she also noted she didn't stay on the meds as they didn't work. She also had this experience during the decade she was sober. Somehow Ramona didn't share that bit of news.

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6 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Why did Dorinda need a friend to plant the story about her and John to Page Six?  Because Dorinda had a lot going on with her house and her broken rib?  Huh?  That doesn’t pass the smell test. 

 

Holy shit, Tinsley has grown a great big set of balls and I’m excited about her for the first time ever.  Maybe it’s because she knows she can walk off this stage and fly back to Chicago and not see these women around town.  Whatever it is, I dig it.  

 

Luann brings a vibrator on vacation??  Judging by how much dick she gets, between the pirate and the married Scottish guy, isn’t that the most redundant thing to pack eeve

I laughed out loud when Dorinda said her friend "planted" the story. Page 6 writers and editors have the easiest job. People desperate to stay relevant have their friends phone in their latest activities, so page 6 doesn't ever have to try and find a scoop. Dorinda was so desperate to be in the news, she chose a friend who she felt would have the best chance to get her name online or in print. The entire housewife franchise phone in their own gossip.

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5 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I think Ramona has said that before.  She just can't quite get those little sayings right!!

 

5 hours ago, janiema said:

Never change Ramona!

My favorite this season was "Don't make a molehill out of a mountain." 😂

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47 minutes ago, Chalby said:

The only difference between her and Dorinda is Ramona is quick to say sorry and expects everyone to get over it.

The only difference between her and Dorinda is Ramona is quick to say a too-quick insincere sorry and expects everyone to get over it.

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6 hours ago, Kemper said:

The fact that Andy and Bravo would allow out-of-control bullying on at least two franchises (the other being Beverly Hills) and think that is what women want is depressing. 

Andy is the Bully-in-Chief.  Things will only get worse as long as he's there.  As long as there are good/growing ratings, he'll be there.

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6 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I kind of can see both sides of the Ramona/Leah conflict. I think Leah can be crass and attention-seeking ...

I find Leah to be really immature for her age, but when I think back to some of my beliefs/attitude at 34, I shake my head. (Heck, I shake my head at something I believed 2 years ago, lol). I appreciate her ability to address information as it comes. I also like that she 'tentatively' calls out the others when they're behaving ridiculously, but she clearly dislikes confrontation. I like sober Leah, and I don't get why Ramona excuses Sonja's faux pas but not Leah's. Sonya is far worse.

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6 hours ago, Kemper said:

As women, have we fallen this far?

I hear 'ya! The underlying misogyny - showing women as emotional, empty-headed nitwits who are obsessed with men, status, and endless consumption - has made me feel like "I'm part of the problem" instead of providing viewing fun. I still watch occasionally, and am here for the snark, but this franchise isn't helping women.

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6 hours ago, njbchlover said:

And, this is why the New York ladies will always be the best, imo.  Ramona, for all her faults, just always makes me laugh.  

I don’t know what it is, but I can’t help but be drawn to Ramona. She does many appalling things (everything from haughtiness, to glass-tossing, to gross negligence traveling around to Mar-a-Lago et al during COVID times... WHILE SICK)—NONE of which I excuse—but for some reason I find her “character” to be one of the more amusing across the franchises. Like one of those characters that novelists used to add into their books as the bad-example-comic-relief, who demonstrates the weaker aspects of human behavior. Ramonaland is an interesting place to visit, but I don’t wanna live there. 

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Andy brought up the Hiccup in Dorinda and Luann's relationship and showed the scene at blue stone manor when Luann was trying to leave and Dorinda lamost slammed her in the door on her. Luann said and there were other hiccups and Dorinda interrupted quickly and Andy dropped it. I was screaming at the TV tell Luann. 

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10 hours ago, Legalbeagle421 said:

I’m pretty sure Leah’s 12 year old could Google her mom’s article about being bipolar as easily as Ramona’s friend did. Silliness. 

Of course she has.

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13 minutes ago, SailorGirl said:

This cast covers the Gen X span--at the older end with Sonja and Lu in their late 50s, to the low end with Tinsley and Leah just skirting the edge into millennial, or as Iliza Schlesinger calls it, elder millenial. 

This is inaccurate info.  Ramona, Sonja and Dorinda are baby boomers.  Leah is a millennial.  Tinsley is not skirting the edge into millennial; she is firmly Gen X.  Luann is skirting the age of a boomer, but she too is Gen X.  

The discussion we were having up thread is not who the target audience is, but who it should be.  Boomers have $548.1 billion discretionary dollars, whereas Gen Xers have $357 billion discretionary income.  Boomers make fewer transactions than some other generations, but they spend more.  I’m not going to do heavy lifting about Bravo’s marketing strategies, probably because there’s a part of me that wants the network to collapse in on itself like a dying star, but the numbers speak for themselves.  

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34 minutes ago, SailorGirl said:

You realize there is an entire generation between boomers and millennials who are at their peak earning years, making them the target audience, not boomers or millennials. As usual, Gen X is overlooked. This cast covers the Gen X span--at the older end with Sonja and Lu in their late 50s, to the low end with Tinsley and Leah just skirting the edge into millennial, or as Iliza Schlesinger calls it, elder millenial. 

Boomers are NOT the target market for this show, nor are millennials. It's the Xers. Like we've had to for years, it seems that once again Xers have to remind both boomers and millennials that it's not all about them.

 

Let’s not forget the Xennials (the bridge between the Gen X/Millenial generations approx 1977-1982). No clue who ultimately comes up with the ranges. Always the most forgotten.

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57 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

This is inaccurate info.  Ramona, Sonja and Dorinda are baby boomers.  Leah is a millennial.  Tinsley is not skirting the edge into millennial; she is firmly Gen X.  Luann is skirting the age of a boomer, but she too is Gen X.  

The discussion we were having up thread is not who the target audience is, but who it should be.  Boomers have $548.1 billion discretionary dollars, whereas Gen Xers have $357 billion discretionary income.  Boomers make fewer transactions than some other generations, but they spend more.  I’m not going to do heavy lifting about Bravo’s marketing strategies, probably because there’s a part of me that wants the network to collapse in on itself like a dying star, but the numbers speak for themselves.  

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/28/millennials-overtake-baby-boomers-as-americas-largest-generation/

Okay so my age range numbers arent exact but my larger point that this cast skirts the high and low ages of Gen X is accurate. 

 

Dorinda and Sonja, for example are what, 55? That technically makes them the very last age of the boomer generation but realistically much more like to associate with and reflect Gen X. 

If Tinsley is in her 40s, then she is squarely GenX. Fine. Leah is a millenial, starting to age, like the rest of their generation, into higher earning potential.

I understand the discussion above. My point is that an entire generation that represents a large portion of the target market was completely overlooked--the discussion above implied that Bravo is looking solely at boomers or millennials, overlooking the generation that will be spending more money than either generation on either side. Like it or not, Boomer money is heading toward elder and long term care. Millenial money is going to student debt. Gen X money is and will in the next 5 years be the most discretionary wealth as houses are paid off, the surprise baby that is 7-12 years younger than their other siblings is out of the house, and peak earning continues. 

 

 

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