S02: Week 4: September 13, 2020-September 19, 2020

[fishcakes]

I really don't know what else Johnny is supposed to tell Cely. Except for the kiss after the Raunch challenge, he told her everything else he did with Mercades. The fact that some twitter rando said he only told her "half" came up in last night's challenge just to stir up trouble and it did. I can see why Cely might think the guys were lying to her to cover up for Johnny, but it seems like Laurel, who was also there, didn't have anything more to say about it either. And Noah is a fucking unreliable witness; he wasn't there, he wants to stay in the Villa so it's to his benefit to get Johnny out, and his little story about Johnny pulled the covers over their heads and there were all these hands moving and grinding is not only not what we saw, it also came after Johnny said to the group of guys that he shouldn't have pulled the cover up because then people could imagine anything happening. Porny ugly Leo is a calculating little creep.

I don't give Johnny a complete pass for what he did, but to be real, he and Cely aren't married or engaged or ... anything really. They are on a game show, the express purpose of which is to fool around with different people with the goals of, in order of importance: 15 minutes of fame, cash prize, find someone you like enough to maybe date for a few months after filming ends. I can understand why Cely is hurt, but they had already talked it out and decided to put it in the past. TPTB are only stirring that pot again because Mackenzie is gone and they need some drama. Any hurt she's feeling now is because she's being told he lied to her when he really didn't. Yes, he tried to minimize his own responsibility but she called him on it and he owned up to his part in it. This whole thing should have been over days ago.

Not to pick on Cely, but this was bugging me a couple of nights ago, when she kept grabbing the fruit plates after the brunch dates and calling them "charcuterie." Unless something on that plate had parents, it's not charcuterie. It's just a plate of leftover fruit.

Justine is a sweetheart. I totally get why everyone there loves her. She's such a good friend to everyone. (Rachel: "AHEM.") Almost everyone.

Narrator's best line: "The historical Noah was also interested in pairs."

[IndyMischa]

For those of you who, like me, are perverts and want more info on the Noah situation... 

This link is very, very NSFW. Do not click it at work, or on a work device. Unless that would be okay with your work, in which case, please provide your HR email address for my resume. 

(Deleted the link, because I don't know if that's allowed here, and I can't get kicked off during Big Brother season. He does both straight and gay porn but is relatively new with just a handful of "art films.") 

Edited September 19, 2020 by IndyMischa
Please don't kick me!

[DoYouLikeMutton]

1 hour ago, Stan39 said:

It was a lot of double speak. Long distance can work blah blah blah but we aren’t boyfriend and girlfriend. I got the impression he expects to break up once they leave the villa. Given their age and distance that’s probably reasonable. Long distance relationships suck, rarely work, and usually just drag out the inevitable breakup over a longer time than normal. Given there’s a pandemic going on I’d say they’re even harder to deal with these days. 

 

17 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Yeah he said Alabama and Utah are very far apart.  We won't be boyfriend and girlfriend.  We'll see where it goes.  Basically.

Thanks guys, that's what I thought he said.  I was surprised Laurel said she was in agreement since she broached the subject in the first place.  Now she knows she's in a dead end relationship/situation.  Carrington doesn't ever seem to have much passion and fire in him so anyone looking for something lasting best look elsewhere.

[Ms Blue Jay]

8 minutes ago, IndyMischa said:

(Deleted the link, because I don't know if that's allowed here, and I can't get kicked off during Big Brother season. He does both straight and gay porn but is relatively new with just a handful of "art films.") 

This is so fascinating.

Looks like his porn name is "Ethan".  LOL.

Edited September 19, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[Stan39]

10 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

I really don't know what else Johnny is supposed to tell Cely. Except for the kiss after the Raunch challenge, he told her everything else he did with Mercades. The fact that some twitter rando said he only told her "half" came up in last night's challenge just to stir up trouble and it did. I can see why Cely might think the guys were lying to her to cover up for Johnny, but it seems like Laurel, who was also there, didn't have anything more to say about it either. And Noah is a fucking unreliable witness; he wasn't there, he wants to stay in the Villa so it's to his benefit to get Johnny out, and his little story about Johnny pulled the covers over their heads and there were all these hands moving and grinding is not only not what we saw, it also came after Johnny said to the group of guys that he shouldn't have pulled the cover up because then people could imagine anything happening. Porny ugly Leo is a calculating little creep.

I don't give Johnny a complete pass for what he did, but to be real, he and Cely aren't married or engaged or ... anything really. They are on a game show, the express purpose of which is to fool around with different people with the goals of, in order of importance: 15 minutes of fame, cash prize, find someone you like enough to maybe date for a few months after filming ends. I can understand why Cely is hurt, but they had already talked it out and decided to put it in the past. TPTB are only stirring that pot again because Mackenzie is gone and they need some drama. Any hurt she's feeling now is because she's being told he lied to her when he really didn't. Yes, he tried to minimize his own responsibility but she called him on it and he owned up to his part in it. This whole thing should have been over days ago.

Not to pick on Cely, but this was bugging me a couple of nights ago, when she kept grabbing the fruit plates after the brunch dates and calling them "charcuterie." Unless something on that plate had parents, it's not charcuterie. It's just a plate of leftover fruit.

Justine is a sweetheart. I totally get why everyone there loves her. She's such a good friend to everyone. (Rachel: "AHEM.") Almost everyone.

Narrator's best line: "The historical Noah was also interested in pairs."

I agree completely. Johnny told Cely they kissed outside of challenges and made out in bed. All Noah did was provide some details on what that looked like. Cely even said to Justine that Johnny may not have told her details to spare her feelings and they’re unnecessary. Not everyone would want to know those details (despite what Justine says) and as far as I know Cely never asked. Had Cely asked what Johnny did in bed or outside challenges and he lied then there’s something. Plus, unless I’m missing something “Pulling the covers over our faces” doesn’t really mean something specific. And “kissing someone outside of challenges” vs “the challenge was over and then Johnny went in hard to make out with Mercades” aren’t really that different from each other. I’m not a fan of Johnny for how he handled the Benny situation or what he’s said to the cameras, but I’m still lost at what he lied about or “only told half the story”?

[Stan39]

10 minutes ago, DoYouLikeMutton said:

 

Thanks guys, that's what I thought he said.  I was surprised Laurel said she was in agreement since she broached the subject in the first place.  Now she knows she's in a dead end relationship/situation.  Carrington doesn't ever seem to have much passion and fire in him so anyone looking for something lasting best look elsewhere.

To be fair, they’re all young twenty-somethings on a game show in Vegas for less than a month during a pandemic. I actually respect Carrington, as he seems to be having fun but is realistic. I think Justine/Caleb and Cely/Johnny are worse for talking about a relationship outside the villa because I doubt that’ll happen. Maybe Justine and Caleb will try for awhile (not even sure where either lives) but I won’t judge couples who enjoy this experience but don’t expect things to happen on the outside. 

[Wandering Snark]

50 minutes ago, Stan39 said:

I actually respect Carrington, as he seems to be having fun but is realistic.

Don't forget his "Everyone is kissing everyone here, can I stay?" (approx) statement that I think summed up what he's looking for out of the experience. I do hold open the possibility though that Laurel caught him off guard and may be growing on him despite his intended approach.

[Court]

I also agree with @fishcakes and @Stan39. I don't think the guys were covering for Johnny. They've ribbed him about it and discouraged him from doing it. Johnny did tell Cely about it. She also didn't ask for specifics or more details and she had more than one opportunity to do so. NotLeo is creepy with his lines and boob ogling.

 

Laurel has grown on me. 

[DoYouLikeMutton]

57 minutes ago, Stan39 said:

To be fair, they’re all young twenty-somethings on a game show in Vegas for less than a month during a pandemic. I actually respect Carrington, as he seems to be having fun but is realistic. I think Justine/Caleb and Cely/Johnny are worse for talking about a relationship outside the villa because I doubt that’ll happen. Maybe Justine and Caleb will try for awhile (not even sure where either lives) but I won’t judge couples who enjoy this experience but don’t expect things to happen on the outside. 

Very true.  The odds that any of these relationships will last are pretty abysmal for all the reasons you stated.   I don't think most of the woman are thinking that way, though.  They're likely there for romance, love, and a lasting relationship.  Although Carrington is being realistic, he is also only 22, and his priorities might be to just have fun.

[CindyBee]

Aaron says he wishes he had pursued Justine:

https://www.etonline.com/media/videos/love-island-why-aaron-wishes-he-pursued-justine-exclusive-153317

That could have been an interesting turn of events.  

I wish he would have come into the show earlier, instead of BSB.

[DoYouLikeMutton]

22 minutes ago, CindyBee said:

I wish he would have come into the show earlier, instead of BSB.

Agreed.   Calvin seems so blah, and I can't understand why he is still there or why anyone would find him interesting.  During the conversations, he just seems to smile at the girls, yet reveal nothing about himself.   I assume in person some of these people have more charisma than what we are seeing on the show.

[Ms Blue Jay]

Agreed also.  In retrospect, Mike, Aaron, and (the guy they never let speak?  I think he's a pro football player) all seem more interesting than BSB.

[Stan39]

1 hour ago, DoYouLikeMutton said:

Agreed.   Calvin seems so blah, and I can't understand why he is still there or why anyone would find him interesting.  During the conversations, he just seems to smile at the girls, yet reveal nothing about himself.   I assume in person some of these people have more charisma than what we are seeing on the show.

In Faith’s interview that was linked before she says he comes across really full of himself and arrogant. Apparently even moreso than what we see (which is saying a lot). In some of the conversations he’s had meeting women it seems like he’s mostly interested in hearing what great things they have to say about him. He probably just expects to smile at girls for them to fall for him, so I’m not sure he’s equipped for anything more. Wasn’t he the “deep as a puddle” guy?

[DoYouLikeMutton]

42 minutes ago, Stan39 said:

 Wasn’t he the “deep as a puddle” guy?

Maybe he was.  I thought Carrington was the "deep as a puddle" guy, but I am probably wrong.  They both seem rather dull.

[Stan39]

24 minutes ago, DoYouLikeMutton said:

Maybe he was.  I thought Carrington was the "deep as a puddle" guy, but I am probably wrong.  They both seem rather dull.

Nope. You’re right. 

[LakeGal]

I went and looked where both Mackenzie and Conner live to see if she can easily stalk him.  She lives in Scottsdale, Arizona.  He is in Pittsburg.

That would be some long distance stalking.

Edited September 19, 2020 by LakeGal

[TroopinFairy]

Johnny telling Cely to tell Bennie not to pursue her is controlling. Yes, they are in a couple but, it shouldn’t pervent her or him from talking to other people. Cely should be able to do what she wants. It’s hypocritical of Johnny to stop Cely from getting to know Bennie because he did things with Mercedes.

I’m glad that the truth about CA is out. I wish that one of the villa guys would’ve told Cely though. 

Every time I see Bennie, I see that unfortunate tiger tattoo. 

No matter what Carrington says, I still see him an insincere.

Noah looks like a British actor that I had I had a crush on in my teens Jack Ryder. It’s weird because I haven’t thought about him in years.

Edited September 20, 2020 by TroopinFairy

[Wandering Snark]

12 minutes ago, TroopinFairy said:

Noah looks like a British actor that I had I had a crush on in my teens Jack Ryder.

Well then you should enjoy Noah's "work" as well! 😲

[TroopinFairy]

8 minutes ago, Wandering Snark said:

Well then you should enjoy Noah's "work" as well! 😲

LOL!

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, TroopinFairy said:

Johnny telling Cely to tell Bennie not to pursue her is controlling. Yes, they are in a couple but, shouldn’t pervent her or him from talking to other people. Cely should be able to do what she wants. It’s hypocritical of Johnny to stop Cely from getting to know Bennie because he did things with Mercedes.

Good point.

[mertensia]

I'm hoping there will be an interview with Mackenzie. 

[CindyBee]

I don't know if this means anything or not but posters on twitter/reddit have noticed that Noah's picture is no longer on the Love Island Instagram page.   Did he get the boot cause of his porn career coming out?   Something else?    

If he is indeed gone, at least he stayed long enough to give Cely a rundown on what was shown at Casa Amor.

And I don't know if anyone else has seen this or not, but someone on Twitter found Johnny's paid escort account.  Surprised he made it through casting.

[aqusdealer]

2 hours ago, mertensia said:

I'm hoping there will be an interview with Mackenzie. 

Here are some:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRd9yzHeT2w

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RZwmO0klGLY

[fishcakes]

19 hours ago, DoYouLikeMutton said:

20 hours ago, CindyBee said:

I wish he would have come into the show earlier, instead of BSB.

Agreed.   Calvin seems so blah, and I can't understand why he is still there or why anyone would find him interesting.

 

19 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Agreed also.  In retrospect, Mike, Aaron, and (the guy they never let speak?  I think he's a pro football player) all seem more interesting than BSB.

 

But you guyyyyys ...

[Wandering Snark]

3 hours ago, CindyBee said:

someone on Twitter found Johnny's paid escort account.

Escorts and porn stars, oh my!!

[Crazydoxielady]

16 minutes ago, Wandering Snark said:

Escorts and porn stars, oh my!!

 

3 hours ago, CindyBee said:

someone on Twitter found Johnny's paid escort account.  Surprised he made it through casting.

Can we get a link please ? 

[waving feather]

I am not so bothered by the CA shenanigans but more disgusted by the controlling and gaslighty behaviour Johnny exhibited. He made her feel bad for just going on a friendly "date" when it's just part of the process. They didn't even kiss or touch. And even after she expressed that she still chooses him, he had the audacity to guilt-trip Cely into making things "clear" with the other guy and making her feel like she has wronged him. Ew, Johnny. 

Cely came out of that conversation with a lot of wtfs. I'm glad she is smart enough and has healthy self-esteem to know she deserves better. It makes me sad that some women may be fooled or be manipulated by that. Ever since Cely stopped gloating about what a power couple she and Johnny is, I have really warmed up to her.

I didn't think Noah made up or exaggerated anything about what he saw in CA. As a viewer on TV like him, I thought his account was pretty accurate.

[CindyBee]

23 minutes ago, Crazydoxielady said:

 

Can we get a link please ? 

I didn't see the link, just read about it on Reddit,  that someone on twitter found Johnny's escort account.   And there's tens of thousands of posts on Twitter about Love Island that I'm not sure how to delve in there to find the actual link.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

5 hours ago, CindyBee said:

And I don't know if anyone else has seen this or not, but someone on Twitter found Johnny's paid escort account.  Surprised he made it through casting.

WELL.

No wonder people on Twitter would saying that Johnny would find some common ground with Noah.

1 hour ago, fishcakes said:

But you guyyyyys ...

I do love that.  He's having fun out there.  He's like the non-macho friend of the group.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, waving feather said:

I didn't think Noah made up or exaggerated anything about what he saw in CA. As a viewer on TV like him, I thought his account was pretty accurate.

I agree!  

People seem to be focusing on the technicalities of what Johnny did.  But for me, he wasn't really honest with Cely about how voracious he was about responding to Mercades' advances.  Should he be? I don't know, and I don't really care.  But Johnny saying technically x and y happened and all 5 of his friends nodding and saying "Yup. Yup. Just like that" is a bit manipulative.   When Cely watches the real show, I still think she'll be surprised and hurt.  There's not much Johnny could have done, but I think Noah was more honest about what happened than Johnny was.

[Amy Beth]

36 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I agree!  

People seem to be focusing on the technicalities of what Johnny did.  But for me, he wasn't really honest with Cely about how voracious he was about responding to Mercades' advances.  Should he be? I don't know, and I don't really care.  But Johnny saying technically x and y happened and all 5 of his friends nodding and saying "Yup. Yup. Just like that" is a bit manipulative.   When Cely watches the real show, I still think she'll be surprised and hurt.  There's not much Johnny could have done, but I think Noah was more honest about what happened than Johnny was.

Agree 100%. It wasn’t so much what he did. It was his attitude towards what Casa Amor was. It was the part of Vegas that was supposed to stay in Vegas. Maybe it was editing or producer manipulation, but he seemed more than eager to partake. And this was a guy still in the early, “honeymoon “ phases of his LI relationship. I don’t want to imagine him at a bachelor party when he’s been in a years-long relationship.

[aqusdealer]

1 hour ago, Amy Beth said:

Agree 100%. It wasn’t so much what he did. It was his attitude towards what Casa Amor was. It was the part of Vegas that was supposed to stay in Vegas. Maybe it was editing or producer manipulation, but he seemed more than eager to partake. And this was a guy still in the early, “honeymoon “ phases of his LI relationship. I don’t want to imagine him at a bachelor party when he’s been in a years-long relationship.

Exactly!... and from what I heard in the interview that Mercades did after Casa...he also did (or said stuff) that couldn't be aired. I think Johnny is the kind of guy that's been BS-ing women for years and getting away with it. I'd love to see him get a comeuppance tonight and then go.

[Stan39]

5 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I agree!  

People seem to be focusing on the technicalities of what Johnny did.  But for me, he wasn't really honest with Cely about how voracious he was about responding to Mercades' advances.  Should he be? I don't know, and I don't really care.  But Johnny saying technically x and y happened and all 5 of his friends nodding and saying "Yup. Yup. Just like that" is a bit manipulative.   When Cely watches the real show, I still think she'll be surprised and hurt.  There's not much Johnny could have done, but I think Noah was more honest about what happened than Johnny was.

I think I see where you’re coming from. And I’ll agree with that. I’ll still argue that what Noah told Cely didn’t really get to that. Yeah, he revealed more details but I think he left out the stuff you’re referring to. Maybe he didn’t see this part (not sure when they go quiet before entering) but if he told Cely that Johnny viewed all of CA as part of the game, or that the guys gave him multiple talks to consider his actions/reign it in/Cely might love him and this would hurt her and he STILL did stuff. That to me would have been devastating. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

There's no episode tonight, is there?  My PVR is being really confusing and misleading!!!! 

[Shadow Wave]

Yes, there's an episode. It was delayed about 50 minutes in my area because CBS had the late afternoon football game and it ran late.

And Matthew casually mentioned that "new guy Noah left last night." I'm sure that's the last we'll hear of him.

[Ms Blue Jay]

27 minutes ago, Shadow Wave said:

Yes, there's an episode. It was delayed about 50 minutes in my area because CBS had the late afternoon football game and it ran late.

Oh my god this is such bullshit!

[Court]

24 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Oh my god this is such bullshit!

I learned last week to record the love island time slot and the show after that, so I wouldn't miss it. Probably need to do it Saturday too.

[JenE4]

10 hours ago, Shadow Wave said:

 

Edited September 21, 2020 by JenE4
Oops! New week

[Kleav]

On 9/19/2020 at 9:56 AM, Fallacy said:

why I am I watching this ridiculousness?

Because the world is falling apart and any distraction is a good thing.

[TVGlow]

On 9/20/2020 at 12:48 PM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I agree!  

People seem to be focusing on the technicalities of what Johnny did.  But for me, he wasn't really honest with Cely about how voracious he was about responding to Mercades' advances.  Should he be? I don't know, and I don't really care.  But Johnny saying technically x and y happened and all 5 of his friends nodding and saying "Yup. Yup. Just like that" is a bit manipulative.   When Cely watches the real show, I still think she'll be surprised and hurt.  There's not much Johnny could have done, but I think Noah was more honest about what happened than Johnny was.

Not to mention, that nobody talked until they were asked. It would've been really hard for me not to let that tea* spill if I walked into the villa.

*look at me talking like a millennial! Gen Z-er?

[Ms Blue Jay]

4 hours ago, TVGlow said:

Not to mention, that nobody talked until they were asked. It would've been really hard for me not to let that tea* spill if I walked into the villa.

*look at me talking like a millennial! Gen Z-er?

Yes.  It was everything, and I was living for it.