Jeopardy! Season 37 (2020-2021)

[shapeshifter]

18 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Once again, I liked all the players so I'm good with the new champ. Also, she was the only girl so I was kinda rooting for her.

Yes, and since I was also "kinda rooting for her" I guess it's okay if I finally throw the other woman on stage under the bus a little: I am so sure that Brendan knew "Jaws" for DD and was thrown off when KC said scoldingly: "Big wager!" He probably would have won. But, yeah, I like the librarian with Best Karaoke Stage Presence.

[Cotypubby]

I was a bit peeved they did not come back from the last commercial break and credit Brendan’s answer of “Scuba” instead of “wreck” but since he got FJ wrong I don’t think it would have ended up mattering. But didn’t that clue just ask for a 5-letter type of diver who explores sunken ships? Scuba fits that perfectly.

[secnarf]

14 hours ago, DrSpaceman73 said:

I realize they aren't the same.  

The question is would you see a lunar eclipse standing on the moon or while orbiting the moon.

But the question specifically mentioned apollo 8 and what they saw so I guess that's where only earthrise works. 

A lunar eclipse happens when the Earth's shadow is cast on the moon and we see it by looking at the moon from Earth. From the moon's surface, it would look much like a solar eclipse looks on Earth - there was a probe that took a picture of a 'lunar eclipse' from orbit around the moon. You can still see this event from the surface of the moon and from orbit, though.

A solar eclipse happens when the moon blocks the sun from view from Earth, so this wouldn't be visible in any way from the moon's orbit or surface, except for maybe seeing the shadow cast on the section of Earth's surface that is affected by the eclipse.

But yes, Apollo 8 took the infamous Earthrise photo from orbit around the moon. The reason you can't see Earthrise from the surface is because of the tidally locked orbit - if you are on the 'near' side of the moon, you can always see the Earth, and if you are on the 'far' side of the moon, you can never see the Earth. The Earth won't appear and disappear across the moon's horizon.

[Bastet]

LOL at them putting "Schitt's Creek" up on the screen when Brendon incorrectly answered the Catherine O'Hara clue, so we'd know he hadn't just said "shit" on network TV.

Morgan reminded me a bit of the actor playing Harris on The Conners (her face and hair, not her voice).

Not a great first round for me; I ran potent potables (always a very strong category), history, and facts, but missed all but one (the indeed terrific When They See Us) in TV shows, three in novels, and two in alliteration.

In DJ, I ran Losing U, '90s non-fiction, and scary movies - all categories right up my alley.  I also ran shell game, and only missed two in low and one in Europe.  Much better!

I got FJ - I knew Bull Moose right away, and got Socialist in plenty of time.

[Bastet]

40 minutes ago, Cotypubby said:

I was a bit peeved they did not come back from the last commercial break and credit Brendan’s answer of “Scuba” instead of “wreck” but since he got FJ wrong I don’t think it would have ended up mattering. But didn’t that clue just ask for a 5-letter type of diver who explores sunken ships? Scuba fits that perfectly.

I said scuba, too, but I knew it was wrong - I knew it was too general and there was a specific kind of diving I was unaware of that they were looking for.  The clue read:

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5-letter type of diving, specifically to targets like the USS Spiegel Grove

So, scuba diving is the general term for diving using that equipment (self-contained underwater breathing apparatus), and wreck diving is the term for scuba diving specifically to shipwrecks.  I wouldn't have accepted scuba, either.

[DrSpaceman73]

58 minutes ago, secnarf said:

A lunar eclipse happens when the Earth's shadow is cast on the moon and we see it by looking at the moon from Earth. From the moon's surface, it would look much like a solar eclipse looks on Earth - there was a probe that took a picture of a 'lunar eclipse' from orbit around the moon. You can still see this event from the surface of the moon and from orbit, though.

A solar eclipse happens when the moon blocks the sun from view from Earth, so this wouldn't be visible in any way from the moon's orbit or surface, except for maybe seeing the shadow cast on the section of Earth's surface that is affected by the eclipse.

But yes, Apollo 8 took the infamous Earthrise photo from orbit around the moon. The reason you can't see Earthrise from the surface is because of the tidally locked orbit - if you are on the 'near' side of the moon, you can always see the Earth, and if you are on the 'far' side of the moon, you can never see the Earth. The Earth won't appear and disappear across the moon's horizon.

During a solar eclipse if you orbit the moon and are in area between the earth and the moon where eclipse falls, I think you would see a solar eclipse.  If you orbit to the other side of the moon between the moon and the sun it would be gone.  

And during a lunar eclipse as well I think it depends on how much of the orbit around the moon in addition to the moon itself is blocked by the earths eclipse.  It would be like a solar eclipse as you say on the moon but if the moon orbit is outside the eclipse area from the earth, then the eclipse wouldn't be present.   I suspect it would be a partial eclipse but not a full portion of the eclipse like on the moon.   

[853fisher]

They really were begging for someone to say "S(c)hit(t)."  That silly little graphic, oy!  Then again, we all have different sensibilities.  I imagine my parents would not have been pleased to hear that, even in context, while watching with Young 853.

I found Morgan very likable.  I want to say "spunky" but I'm not sure whether that term is loaded with condescension toward young women.  Her little shimmy and so on were just right to show a little character without being obnoxious.

I did get FJ but am not confident I could've said Wilson won if I'd had to.  I didn't remember any socialist polling as high as Debs' 6% but thought that had to be it.  Democrat was a good trap.

Edited March 18, 2021 by 853fisher

[Prevailing Wind]

I got "The Hot Zone" at the very last second after "Outbreak" was ruled incorrect. I thought "Jaws" was an insta-get. Totally blew FJ. Alliteration was fun for me.  Katie can't get off my TV fast enough.

[Clanstarling]

19 hours ago, Trey said:

I didn't get to see the first few questions but I got there in time to get Morticia Addams; also got gainer, ermine and Henry Clay. I almost got Defender of the Faith but for some reason said Guardian of the Faith.

I got Defender of the Faith - but I didn't know it was first given to Henry VIII. Brilliant irony.

18 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

Acapulco totally surprised me, and hardening of the arteries did a bit (although I couldn't come up with it), but Muay Thai did not surprise me at all.  I've only ever heard the name in a Progressive commercial and wouldn't have had the slightest idea where it came from.

I've never heard of Muay Thai. What is it?

12 hours ago, ams1001 said:

 Got all the potent potables…for some reason I do well with that one despite the fact that I don't really drink much (there hasn't even been anything "potent" in my house for months).

I ran it too. Goodness knows why. I don't have more than one mixed drink a year (and it's always the same one), and I rarely have wine. Especially since I shop at 6 a.m. these days and our liquor laws don't let you buy alcohol before 7 a.m. I guess it's okay to get drunk at 7, but not at 6. <shrug>

12 hours ago, Katy M said:

I said  Bull Moose and Republican.  I could have sat here for 100 years and not gotten that one.  that was hard.

....

I think "the left" just makes people auto think democrat.  But I knew Wilson won, thought Roosevelt and taft split the rest of the votes and that's the story of my wrong answer.

Bull Moose crossed my mind - but I talked myself out of it.  And I went a touch too left for the other party.

10 hours ago, Bastet said:

LOL at them putting "Schitt's Creek" up on the screen when Brendon incorrectly answered the Catherine O'Hara clue, so we'd know he hadn't just said "shit" on network TV.

We laughed at that. I avoided the show because of the title, but then we watched it and fell in love with it.

[Cotypubby]

I did not get either party for FJ. I was thinking that Republican used to be completely different than it is today so maybe it’s a trick and they were considered on the left in 1912. 

[Katy M]

1 hour ago, Clanstarling said:

I got Defender of the Faith - but I didn't know it was first given to Henry VIII. Brilliant irony.

Henry VIII did not believe in the reformation at all.  He wrote a pamphlet countering Martin Luther which is when the Pope gave him the title.  It wasn't until he wanted a divorce (annullment) and the pope wouldn't grant it that he broke off his own religion.  However, he kept it very close to Catholicism without the pope, since it wasn't really a matter of religion but throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.  Even the pope not granting him the divorce (which he shouldn't have) was really all politics.  But, that's a long story.

[PaulaO]

Morgan greatly annoyed me so I probably won’t watch Thursday’s game. Regarding Tuesday’s triple a geography, I knew it was some type of marble and decided alabaster was correct.....

[HissyFit]

Turner Classic Movies recently featured several 1940s movies starring actor Dennis Morgan. Except for the hairstyle, he looked very much like a 1980s Alex Trebek.

 

[Mindthinkr]

I also ran Potent Potables, but was unhappy they didn’t have time to show the last clue. I was pre-guessing Guinness since it was St Paddy’s Day or Snow beer (the biggest seller in the world and made in China). I also came up with Jaws, and Spade. I got half of FJ correct. 

[Trey]

5 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I've never heard of Muay Thai. What is it?

It's a martial art.

[shapeshifter]

2 minutes ago, Trey said:

5 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I've never heard of Muay Thai. What is it?

It's a martial art.

--which is an example of how important it is to be able to see/know the categories! Otherwise it looks to me like an alternate spelling for one of those drinks I don't drink. 
BTW, I pretty much ran the Potents category too, even though I too am pretty much a teetotaler. I wonder if there was either an assumption among the clue writers that Jeopardy contestants wouldn't be drinkers, or if the clue writers themselves are as a group not familiar with Potent Potables?

[Clanstarling]

5 hours ago, Katy M said:

Henry VIII did not believe in the reformation at all.  He wrote a pamphlet countering Martin Luther which is when the Pope gave him the title.  It wasn't until he wanted a divorce (annullment) and the pope wouldn't grant it that he broke off his own religion.  However, he kept it very close to Catholicism without the pope, since it wasn't really a matter of religion but throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.  Even the pope not granting him the divorce (which he shouldn't have) was really all politics.  But, that's a long story.

Yes to all of that. Nevertheless, he triggered the end of the dominance of the Roman Catholic church in England - whatever his intentions. Hence the irony.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Clanstarling

[proserpina65]

20 hours ago, Katy M said:

I said  Bull Moose and Republican.  I could have sat here for 100 years and not gotten that one.  that was hard.

I saw a PBS special about the 1912 election, and got Socialist right away.  Took what seemed like forever to come up with the Bull Moose/Progressive party because Teddy Roosevelt had been a Republican prior to losing the 1912 nomination to the incumbent president William Taft.  I did get there, but probably not before time ran out.  Still, I'm counting it as a win.

I did get The Hot Zone, west wind and Jaws.  I also wondered if they'd accept shovel.

20 hours ago, Katy M said:

But I knew Wilson won, thought Roosevelt and taft split the rest of the votes and that's the story of my wrong answer.

Roosevelt and Taft did split the vote, which is why the Bull Moose party came in second and the Republican party third.

[proserpina65]

18 hours ago, Cotypubby said:

I was a bit peeved they did not come back from the last commercial break and credit Brendan’s answer of “Scuba” instead of “wreck” but since he got FJ wrong I don’t think it would have ended up mattering. But didn’t that clue just ask for a 5-letter type of diver who explores sunken ships? Scuba fits that perfectly.

Scuba diving can occur lots of places besides wreck sites, so it wasn't specific enough.  The clue referenced the site of a particular wreck.

7 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I got Defender of the Faith - but I didn't know it was first given to Henry VIII. Brilliant irony.

I knew it was, back before he decided to divorce Catherine of Aragon and had to break with the Catholic Church to do it.  And yet I stupidly said "Protector of the Faith" instead.  Not all that different in meaning, but not the correct title.  Oy.

7 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I've never heard of Muay Thai. What is it?

According to Jeopardy, it's a form of martial arts originating in Thailand.

6 hours ago, Katy M said:

Henry VIII did not believe in the reformation at all.  He wrote a pamphlet countering Martin Luther which is when the Pope gave him the title.  It wasn't until he wanted a divorce (annullment) and the pope wouldn't grant it that he broke off his own religion.  However, he kept it very close to Catholicism without the pope, since it wasn't really a matter of religion but throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get what he wanted.  Even the pope not granting him the divorce (which he shouldn't have) was really all politics.  But, that's a long story.

Yep, Catherine of Aragon was the niece of the Holy Roman Emperor, and at the time Pope Julius was his prisoner, so agreeing to the divorce would've mean serious repercussions for Julius' continued well-being.

[853fisher]

Sting was in no hurry to read those clues, was he?  I do appreciate the way the show puts these guest categories together, so they will still be of interest even if you don't really know that individual celebrity.  I certainly know of him and The Police, and have probably heard more of their music than I know, but it's not anything I've sought out.  I still got 4/5, although showing a picture of Margaret Thatcher and asking who it is was pretty easy for $800.  That little tag at the end was cute.

"Stronger than dirt" surprised me: I would've put money on "stronger than grease."  Apparently the second is more recent but Ajax has used both.  Actually I thought it was "stronger than all grease," so close but no cigar.  Lots of those for me tonight.  GW Carver instead of Booker T Washington, "Cool Hand Luke" instead of "O Brother" for the chain gang film, not great.

He seemed like a nice guy, and maybe it's the fashion now, to listen to Katie.  But at the risk of sounding like my dad, Matt, you couldn't've fastened the top button and pushed your tie up a little?  I'm no Beau Brummell but that look is so schlubby to me.

Somehow it seemed wrong that Katie didn't make Morgan actually rephrase, and instead just reminded her to include the question in future. I know they always get a reminder in the first round, so they must've thought they were just cutting out a formality by assuming she would've fixed it, but still.

As far as Muay Thai from the other day, I knew it, but had never heard it pronounced.  I would've made it sound like the cocktail, and would probably have been ruled wrong.  I might just have said nothing, to avoid the risk of looking foolish.

Edited March 19, 2021 by 853fisher

[illdoc]

Shouldn't kilowatt gotten (at the very least) a BMS, when the answer was kilowatt hours??? I don't think it made a difference, but still.....

[Quickbeam]

“Ajax...stronger than dirt!” Is the soundtrack of my childhood. Just too old for these contestants. It was a hammeringly frequent jingle. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Quickbeam

[ams1001]

Gah, no FJ, only one TS (old-fashioned) and two DDs. I ran no categories except Units of Measure, two of which they didn't get to. Only missed one each in Sting, Latin, and Acts of Congress.

Katie is annoying me more the closer to the end of her run we get.

Loved Sting's song at the end. ❤️ 

 

[kathyk24]

FYI Boston Jeopardy viewers tomorrow night's show will be on Channel 38.

[BuckeyeLou]

How Cool!  Sting sings the Jeopardy theme song at the end, I did not know there were words.

[M. Darcy]

Finally- after a week of no FJ right, they finally had a question I got in a nanosecond.

I liked Sting’s song at the end. 

[Katy M]

I knew I was toast when I saw the FJ category.  I said Guys and Dolls.

the only ts I got was old-fashioned.

I got the entire category of Congress right and the entire partial category of whatever cat they didn't finish in the first round.

 

[secnarf]

I hadn't the slightest clue for FJ, and arbitrarily picked Phantom of the Opera. Then I second-guessed as Jesus Christ Superstar somehow came to mind. Luckily still settled on Phantom.

 

[Browncoat]

I waffled between Phantom of the Opera and Les Miserables for FJ, but in the end went with Phantom (and wrote the whole title down).  Good for me!

Morgan should either have gotten a prompt to use the correct phrasing, or not have gotten credit for that one clue.  And kilowatt hours would have gotten a BMS with Alex.

I got kilowatt hours, along with dirt, and old-fashioned.

I love Sting.  Two of my most favorite concerts back in the day were The Police, and Sting on his Dream of the Blue Turtles tour.  His song at the end was great.

 

[shapeshifter]

47 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

Loved Sting's song at the end. ❤️ 

Awww. 😢

 

18 minutes ago, BuckeyeLou said:

How Cool!  Sting sings the Jeopardy theme song at the end, I did not know there were words.

Pretty sure those were Sting's words because:

• Of all the things in my CV
• Everything in life from A-Z
• But how I wish my Ma could see
• Here I am on Jeopardy!

and because my mom and dad would have loved it too if I was,
and this page seems to verify: https://kiisfm.iheart.com/content/2021-03-18-sting-reimagines-jeopardy-theme-with-lyrics-ahead-of-guest-appearance/

Edited March 19, 2021 by shapeshifter

[Katy M]

54 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

Morgan should either have gotten a prompt to use the correct phrasing, or not have gotten credit for that one clue.

In the first round they usually just say remember your phrasing. You're not penalized until double jeopardy.

[shapeshifter]

2 hours ago, Quickbeam said:

“Ajax...stronger than dirt!” Is the soundtrack of my childhood. Just too old for these contestants. It was a hammeringly frequent jingle. 

Supposedly I was known in my family as a walking commercial because I memorized all the jingles.
I don't know them any more, but I did instantly yell "Dirt!"

 

 

[Bastet]

The old-fashioned TS was surprising; not that no one remembered it (I didn't, either), but that no one looked at "the _____-_____ way" and figured it out.  Maybe it's just that no one wanted to risk $1000 on a guess.

Sultan going unanswered surprised me a bit, too; title starting with S for the leader of a Muslim country seemed like something one of three contestants would reason their way to.  Maybe they thought it was a name rather than a title - some specific S-dude's armed forces.

It's ridiculous they included a picture of Margaret Thatcher with that Sting clue; British prime minister + the year + anti-labor policies = plenty for a J! clue.

I knew the double eagle coins are gold thanks to an amusing episode of The Closer.

Not all births are happy events, especially in one of the world's most impoverished nations where the birth rate is so high because of sexist laws and customs, and the correlation between population growth and poverty has created such dire conditions its Health Dept. recently partnered with an international family planning organization to combat all that, so I did not appreciate the wording of the Niger clue.  Just say "these events".

I ran the first round, but it became immediately clear that was not going to happen in DJ, as I promptly missed three authors.  I also missed three mountains and two each in Latin and boys.  

I got FJ, though - Phantom was my immediate guess, and it just felt right so I stuck with it.

[shapeshifter]

2 minutes ago, Bastet said:

I knew the double eagle coins are gold thanks to an amusing episode of The Closer.

Hah! Me too.

[ams1001]

5 minutes ago, Bastet said:

It's ridiculous they included a picture of Margaret Thatcher with that Sting clue; British prime minister + the year + anti-labor policies = plenty for a J! clue.

I didn't even see the picture and I got it.

 

[Cotypubby]

Instaget FJ for me! Broadway is my category and it helps that I actually know people who have starred in Phantom on Broadway as well as many who worked backstage. 😁

[853fisher]

2 hours ago, Bastet said:

Sultan going unanswered surprised me a bit, too; title starting with S for the leader of a Muslim country seemed like something one of three contestants would reason their way to.  Maybe they thought it was a name rather than a title - some specific S-dude's armed forces.

I said "sheikh."  Maybe that and the correct "sultan" both came to their minds so they kept quiet?

 

2 hours ago, Bastet said:

Not all births are happy events, especially in one of the world's most impoverished nations where the birth rate is so high because of sexist laws and customs, and the correlation between population growth and poverty has created such dire conditions its Health Dept. recently partnered with an international family planning organization to combat all that, so I did not appreciate the wording of the Niger clue.  Just say "these events".

I thought something like that, but not half as eloquently.  Well said.  Between that and the Nagorno-Karabakh clue recently, there seems perhaps to be something unpolished about how global affairs are understood in the writers' room.

[Prevailing Wind]

I got my second vax today and was wiped out - I slept until 10:30 PM.  Sounds like I missed a game that would have been fun for me.  But, looking up FJ, I never would have gotten that.  Well, maybe in a million years, but not in the 30 seconds allotted.  LOL.  I have a tendency to ignore ALW stuff.

[theatremouse]

6 hours ago, illdoc said:

Shouldn't kilowatt gotten (at the very least) a BMS, when the answer was kilowatt hours?

I don't think it should. It's not like kilowatt hours are a type of kilowatt. It's a different unit. So it's not a question of specificity. 

[Bastet]

1 hour ago, theatremouse said:

I don't think it should. It's not like kilowatt hours are a type of kilowatt. It's a different unit. So it's not a question of specificity.

I agree; they all clearly missed the point, because electricity usage is measured in watt hours.

Electricity itself is measured in several ways, including watts; the unit of power, not of usage.  The amount of electricity used by a device or household, though, is measured in watt hours.  For some devices, it's a little, for some it's far more.  Based on the average, when talking about per household use, the measure is kilowatt hours, as it is when talking about a country's overall use like in the clue. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Bastet

[DrSpaceman73]

I just guessed cats for FJ because the writers are obsessed with clues about it. 

[Clanstarling]

12 hours ago, secnarf said:

I hadn't the slightest clue for FJ, and arbitrarily picked Phantom of the Opera. Then I second-guessed as Jesus Christ Superstar somehow came to mind. Luckily still settled on Phantom.

I hate Phantom so much I totally ignored its existence as a standard on Broadway. Came up with a second one I also don't like, but knew it was long lived - The Music Man.

 

[theatremouse]

Yeah, the key to this FJ was definitely knowing which were longest running musicals and working backward from there. Can't be Cats because that doesn't really have a "lead". Can't be Wicked or Chicago because the leads are women. Badumpbump, gotta be Phantom.

[shapeshifter]

23 minutes ago, theatremouse said:

Yeah, the key to this FJ was definitely knowing which were longest running musicals and working backward from there. Can't be Cats because that doesn't really have a "lead". Can't be Wicked or Chicago because the leads are women. Badumpbump, gotta be Phantom.

I guessed The Music Man because I’m old and don’t know much about musicals or even theater in general. So I felt validated and a little less ignorant than usual when one of the contestants guessed that too. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by shapeshifter

[MrAtoz]

42 minutes ago, theatremouse said:

Yeah, the key to this FJ was definitely knowing which were longest running musicals and working backward from there. Can't be Cats because that doesn't really have a "lead". Can't be Wicked or Chicago because the leads are women. Badumpbump, gotta be Phantom.

I used a similar technique to get there (didn't recognize the actor's name), although I also considered Les Mis as a possibility.

[theatremouse]

Fair. I ruled out Les Mis because if it were a Les Mis person I think I would've recognized the actor's name, but I didn't.

[bad things are bad]

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Just too old for these contestants. 

Yeah, wonder if they're familiar with The Doors' Touch Me :). The lyric at then end probably perplexes them

[lambertman]

I got Phantom, but did so through flawed thinking; my brain saw “lead role” and conflated it with “title role”, which was true here but not always , of course. 

[853fisher]

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

I guessed The Music Man because I’m old and don’t know much about musicals or even theater in general. So I felt validated and a little less ignorant than usual when one of the contestants guessed that too. 

I think that's a great guess.  You know they're not going to be asking about some very obscure show, so what are the big ones, and which of those have a male lead?  Knowing the very few to have run so long that someone could plausibly have played a role in 2500 performances and still left room for 15 others kinda falls into the realm of "you know it or you don't," and if you don't, pick one of those big ones.  It makes a lot of sense to me!  I did get it myself, but I was president of the drama club in high school, a theater major in college, a regular attendee of Musical Mondays at the neighborhood bar in the before times, etc, so I had better know this.

12 hours ago, Prevailing Wind said:

I got my second vax today and was wiped out - I slept until 10:30 PM.

Mazel tov!  I hear the second one is tougher than the first.  Grammy recommends chicken soup. 😉

[Prevailing Wind]

3 minutes ago, 853fisher said:

Mazel tov!  I hear the second one is tougher than the first.  Grammy recommends chicken soup. 😉

Thanks. My left arm is sore and I just feel tired, but I usually feel tired during lockdown. But I'm using it as an excuse to not feel guilty about not doing anything today.  LOL.  I will attempt to stay awake for Jeopardy! later today.