S10.E15: Sex, Lies and Text Messages

[goofygirl]

Uh... I think Garcelle has already owned up to having a kid with a drug problem and feeling guilty about it.  Too bad Rinna can't conceive the concept that she MIGHT have had something to do with Amelia having an eating disorder.  Since Rinna wants everybody else to OWN it, she needs to set the standard.  She isn't, hasn't, won't.  Hypocrite. AND full of crap.

Edited August 20, 2020 by goofygirl

[DivaLasVegas82]

2 minutes ago, WaltersHair said:

A gogo dancer? Is this 1965. You can say it, Erika. Stripper. Say it with me.

And your on your husband's private jet by doing something not all that different from the above occupation. Pahleeze

I'm not addressing the over cooked stupidity of the Brandi plot.

Erika will be 50 next year, which means she went to New York/New Jersey in the late '80s since she said she left Atlanta at 18. It's possible New Jersey still had gogo bars over 30 years ago.

[DivaLasVegas82]

25 minutes ago, Legalbeagle421 said:

I'm not Team Denise because I find something very annoying about her and Aaron. But I can't stand with the rest of them either because this whole thing is a big "who cares?!?" This is a Denise/Aaron issue. I don't think she's trying to lie or start some weird conspiracy. She just didn't want to share it on camera and that's FAIR. The only thing she did "wrong" is she talks a lot of shit in her confessionals that she would never say in person. That's annoying, but small potatoes compared to the other women's inability to let this boring nonsense go.

 

Edited to add: Annoyed that Denise is bringing Camille back on my screen, but again, small potatoes lol. 

I agree. Whether Denise had sex with Brandi or not should only concern the three parties it involves--Denise, Aaron, and Brandi. But Denise made everything worse by piling one lie on top of another lie in Italy. Each episode, she came back with a different story concerning the Brandi situation.

[janie2002]

The texts between Denise and Brandi read to me like two fake LA women. The sweetness and wanting to plan to meet up, without really doing it.

 

[goofygirl]

GoGo bars in the '90's?? Really?? I live in a small town in Texas; but seriously.... GoGo bar?? Naaa.

Strip club? Hell yes.  But GoGo went out in the early 70's when DISCO came alive!

Edited August 20, 2020 by goofygirl
I forgot discos!! How COULD I FORGET THEM??

[ancslove]

Again, Teddi is really just concerned about whether Denise is silently hating her every time they meet.  I think she's been the most consistent in this whole mess.  Does Denise secretly hate the group, and Teddi most of all?  And I think Denise's big, fatal mistake was not saying straight up that she's not fond of Teddi.  She could have cushioned it with "I don't know you all that well, we don't have much in common, I just haven't clicked with you yet."  

But now, Brandi's shown that she and Denise do have a close friendship, and Teddi won't believe anything Denise tries to say any more.  The text messages wouldn't actually be that bad (nothing in there about the other women), if Denise hadn't already tried to downplay her relationship with Brandi so severely. For the record, I don't think the language is all that indicative of anything, except that Denise might be mirroring Brandi's slew of endearments, which is rather common among friends.  But the amount of texts show that they talked more than "once or twice".

[The Ringo Kidd]

8 minutes ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

Erika will be 50 next year, which means she went to New York/New Jersey in the late '80s since she said she left Atlanta at 18. It's possible New Jersey still had gogo bars over 30 years ago.

She was a stripper and she gave blow jobs. That’s not Nancy Sinatra in these boots were made for walking.

[Jel]

5 minutes ago, janie2002 said:

The texts between Denise and Brandi read to me like two fake LA women. The sweetness and wanting to plan to meet up, without really doing it.

 

Me too. Very “love you! Mean it” 

[Callaphera]

So is there a reason why we can say "I sucked his dick" or "I sucked his penis" - although that's awkward as fuck - but for some reason "I sucked her clitoris" is blanked out? (I don't know if this was just the Canadian broadcast or if it also happened on the American one.) 

Whatever, Brandi. At least Rinna can call back on her soap opera acting to bring forth the One Perfect Tear or a whole face full of 'em but you have to duck your head and hide to try and get through your big scene. 

I also find it interesting that no one had any problems with thinking that LVP may have faked the text messages indicting Teddi in the Lucy Lucy Apple Juice plot but they believe what Brandi has on her phone without question. I can change the husband's name in my phone to "Denise Richards" and it can be full of endearments and requests to remember to ask for no onions on our burgers. 

[Legalbeagle421]

2 minutes ago, ancslove said:

Again, Teddi is really just concerned about whether Denise is silently hating her every time they meet.  I think she's been the most consistent in this whole mess.  Does Denise secretly hate the group, and Teddi most of all?  And I think Denise's big, fatal mistake was not saying straight up that she's not fond of Teddi.  She could have cushioned it with "I don't know you all that well, we don't have much in common, I just haven't clicked with you yet."  

But now, Brandi's shown that she and Denise do have a close friendship, and Teddi won't believe anything Denise tries to say any more.  The text messages wouldn't actually be that bad (nothing in there about the other women), if Denise hadn't already tried to downplay her relationship with Brandi so severely. For the record, I don't think the language is all that indicative of anything, except that Denise might be mirroring Brandi's slew of endearments, which is rather common among friends.  But the amount of texts show that they talked more than "once or twice".

I agree with this. I love Teddi (hold your tomatoes please 😂) and I think she just wants to be liked, which is relatable (and unrealistic) to me. She hasn't figured out yet that not everyone will like her and it bugs her that she can't figure out why Denise doesn't. Denise talks a lot of mess in her confessionals and it is annoying. She's not very bold in person unless Aaron's there. However, there's nothing wrong with her not liking Teddi. I could totally understand why she doesn't. But she's not being honest about her feelings. 

[Stats Queen]

Kyle and Lipsa are awful excuses for human beings.

Kyle’s so full of it saying in her confessional, “Is it any of our business? No, but now it’s out there” - Because YOU put it out there any kept it going.

No wonder Mauricio is always stoned and checked out.

[Callaphera]

5 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

Kyle’s so full of it saying in her confessional, “Is it any of our business? No, but now it’s out there” - Because YOU put it out there any kept it going.

The husband and I both shouted that out, too. And then had a couple rounds of "Goodbye, Kyle!" The poor neighbours must really wonder about us. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Callaphera

[Lady of nod]

Just finishing up so haven't read posts yet but does fucking vile kyle ever listen to herself? Is she really that stupid? She says it's none of their business but since brandi  said it, Denise has to deal with it. What does that even mean. No wonder Mauricio is stoned or absent all the time. 

Rhinna is just her usual snake of a self  trashing her 20 year friend and being outraged by something thats none of her business  And because it just can't be said enough she is a total pos  How jealous is she of Denise

Teddy just put those ugly man hands down and stfu  nobody cares

Garcelle and believe it or not Dorit are the only 2 that were bearable tonite for me

 

[Jel]

2 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

Kyle and Lipsa are awful excuses for human beings.

Kyle’s so full of it saying in her confessional, “Is it any of our business? No, but now it’s out there” - Because YOU put it out there any kept it going.

No wonder Mauricio is always stoned and checked out.

That “none of our business “ comment from Kyle seemed like an after the fact reshoot. 

[BusyOctober]

Why does Dorit have to wear designer clothing with the designer’s name emblazoned on every square inch of the fabric?  Or she has to have the entire “look” from the same label, head to toe?  It’s like she has some nouveau riche “Garanimals” approach to dressing. It just screams that she has no real innate sense of style.  She shops by price tag, and not for true good taste.  And that’s why her closet is filled with the fugliest pieces from high end fashion houses. I have friends who can go to TJ Maxx and thrown outfits together that look more Vogue cover worthy than Dorit’s ready for Clown Town get ups. 

The way Dorit said “KAHP-ree” in her TH was so annoying! But then she said it normally when Teddi and Kyle showed up. Boy,  that room she designed at Chucky Cheese Bucco de Pepto was...there.  Fake lemons from Hobby Lobby and framed prints of non-descript Mediterranean places from the liquidation sale at the foreclosed Greek restaurant down the street does not a Capri trattoria make. 

Does Teddi understand that was in no way a celebration of her or her baby?  It was all about Dorit’s CRAPI Room, Erica’s pending Broadway debut ( thank you COVID-19 for getting one thing right in 2020), and of course, Brandi the human Bratz doll vs. Denise’s who gives a shit “affair”.

Rinna and her daughter are gross.  I hope Thing 2 stays healthy and keeps up with therapy to overcome her eating disorder and anxiety. But she is a brat.  How is she paying almost $6k a month for that apartment?  Not that it was all that fabulous.  That place looked like one of those short term rental efficiencies that companies use for their traveling sales execs to stay vs. a hotel.

Please,  stop trying to make KIm and Brandi happen.  I despise them both.  

[Bronzedog]

I so don't care about any of this.  I will say though, that if you ever slept with Brandi, or, actually, if you were ever in the same room with her, I don't know how you'd feel clean again.

[Lady of nod]

The best thing that could happen on this shit show would be Denise refusing to come back unless Rhinna and Kyle got the boot. And she won.

[Rahul]

That Capri room is hideous. Like the souls of most of these women.

[goofygirl]

And the REAL Capri is just gorgeous!  I barely caught that with Dorito's "room design".  What was with all those fugly colored stripes? OY!

[ancslove]

Yeah, Kyle was wrong there.  Denise's alleged affair with Brandi isn't the issue.  Denise lied about her closeness to Brandi and that she bitched about the others with Brandi. That's why I think Teddi should lead the charge, because she's the one that genuinely cares about that.  But in a way, Denise shot herself in the foot and made everything much worse than it could have been.  Not to say Teddi's a blameless victim!  Looping in Rinna was a colossal misstep, and airing her grievances in public with everyone there was another wrong move.  

I was on Denise's side through the rest of the season, and still am, but I do believe that, no matter which one (Brandi or Denise) came up with the actual phrases, Denise did agree that Erika was a coldhearted bitch and Teddi is pathetic and Denise wants nothing to do with her.  And it wouldn't be a huge deal, if Denise hasn't been trying all season to say she's so cool with everyone.  

I can't believe they literally kicked out Teddi's actual friends.  The private bitching session that surely happened after that party must have been epic!  I was a little surprised that Teddi allowed that to happen, but I guess she was too eager to get more dirt on Denise.

 

 

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, FlyingEgret said:

Hope there is a Kinko's down the street so Dorit can have place cards name tags made for Brandi and Kim...

Yeah....Dorit, who freaked out about having champagne served to her in the wrong glass doesn't even know the difference between name tags and place cards!! 

[Pondlass1]

If Denise had shut them down with “its one of your fucking business” right at the start when first confronted .... what would the rest of the season be about? They’d have nothing. And I couldn’t care less about this storyline anyway. Just don’t bring Brandi back.  She’s nasty.

Kyle has the same gleeful expression when gossipy shit is hitting the fan... reminds me of Tamra Judge. 

[Keywestclubkid]

50 minutes ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I hope Denise doesn't come back next season. It's not because I hate her; It's because I don't want to see another season of her vs. the rest of the women. Furthermore, I don't think Denise is cut out for reality TV. She's too protective over her image and cares too much about what people think. If she came back next season, it will be more scenes of her walking out anytime she was confronted about something she didn't want hear and her telling Bravo to cut footage that showed her in an unflattering light.

They all do this tho they all try to protect their image they don’t air the lawsuits or cheating rumors they decide to keep that off camera.  That was the rule for them until this season. This season the woman have introduced something that can’t be taken back. 

[Jel]

28 minutes ago, Legalbeagle421 said:

I agree with this. I love Teddi (hold your tomatoes please 😂) and I think she just wants to be liked, which is relatable (and unrealistic) to me. She hasn't figured out yet that not everyone will like her and it bugs her that she can't figure out why Denise doesn't. Denise talks a lot of mess in her confessionals and it is annoying. She's not very bold in person unless Aaron's there. However, there's nothing wrong with her not liking Teddi. I could totally understand why she doesn't. But she's not being honest about her feelings. 

<Tomatoes down> ;)

I have thought that about Teddi too -- that maybe growing up, as a kid of a famous dad, in a small town, she was kind of a big shot and everyone either did like her or pretended to. It's a shame that she didn't learn that lesson from childhood--not everyone is going to like you, and you will be okay regardless.  (I remember she didn't handle it well when Sutton said she initially thought Teddi would be boring )

But she loses me with the insisting on accountability re: Denise admitting she doesn't like her. To what end? There's no accounting for taste, and she can't confront Denise into liking her. It seems like a fruitless and harmful exercise. And truthfully, I am the same way -- have been since childhood -- in that what I say in private about someone else is private. I may say, to my husband, in the car on the way home, that I can't stand that insufferable woman, but by golly, the next time I see Ms. Insufferable, I will greet her warmly and I will never, ever tell someone that I don't like them. That seems so mean.

I've long joked that I may say something not nice about someone, but at least I have the decency to say it behind their back.  That's civility to me.  Honesty and owning it is way overrated.

 

[Rahul]

I think I'm done with this show. I'm not interested in seeing these vile witches plot and scheme to take yet another person down.

First Teddi's friends were asked to leave her baby shower so these harridans could gossip and trash Denise further with salacious hearsay from that trashbox Brandi Glanville. Next week, Kyle lies once again and brings Brandi and her drug addled sister Kim somewhere they do not belong to do her dirty work.

Why haven't the editors called out Kyle for proclaiming Brandi to be a liar on multiple occasions in past seasons? We've seen several clips posted here. She even wrote an entire blog entry about it. WTF is up with these producer shenanigans?https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-5/blogs/kyle-richards/kyle-brandi-puts-out-lies-hoping

The only glimmer of redemption for me was seeing Garcelle stand up to Lisa Rinna and call her out on her bullshit.  I can also take some solace in knowing karma will come for them all.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Rahul

[Callaphera]

8 minutes ago, Jel said:

I've long joked that I may say something not nice about someone, but at least I have the decency to say it behind their back.  That's civility to me.  Honesty and owning it is way overrated.

People who pride themselves on being "brutally honest" and "owning it" are usually just using that as an excuse to be an asshole. Shit-talking to a person you can trust is a stress relieving exercise. It's self care, really. It's probably on those self care checklists, right after "bubble bath" and before "four square breathing to center yourself". 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Callaphera

[tranquilidade]

Yes.  No one in their right mind tells coworkers what is said in private.  Wear your heart on your sleeve and see how it gets put in a blender.  This whole thing is a desperate effort to have a storyline and it is a big fail.  There is no story here. It's just  a whole lot about nothing. 

[Jel]

1 minute ago, Callaphera said:

People who pride themselves on being "brutally honest" and "owning it" are usually just using that as an excuse to be an asshole. Shit-talking to a person you can trust is a stress relieving exercise. It's self care, really. It's probably on those self care checklists, right after "bubble bath" and before "four square breathing to center yourself". 

Yes, that is true -- "venting".  And if someone I shit-talked/vented to, then turned around and told the person I was bitching about what I had said, that would be a huge betrayal, and a far greater sin than a few harsh words said in private.

 

[ancslove]

I think Teddi's problem is that she doesn't know how to react to Denise (or anyone) if Denise is secretly despising her, but being nice to her face.  She was more comfortable shutting Camille down, because she and Camille both knew they hated each other, and Teddi didn't feel like feigning civility and hearing Camille's pleasantries.  I think Teddi's extremely dramatic reaction to Denise's appearance on that first full day in Rome was pretty genuine.  She didn't want to interact with someone who faked being her friend, or even a friendly acquaintance/colleague, while secretly hating her guts, because she didn't know how to behave in turn.  And Teddi's own dislike of Denise makes her want Denise to feel the same, because then... Well, I don't know what would happen, but I think Teddi imagines she'd be more comfortable just dropping the pretense.  She feels Denise doesn't like her, partly in response to her own feelings of dislike toward Denise**, and everything would just be better without the Yay Friends! song and dance.

**And yes, I do think Denise at least mildly dislikes Teddi, and that Teddi can feel that.  Whether Denise dislikes Teddi as much as Teddi thinks, I'm not so sure.  

[tranquilidade]

5 minutes ago, Jel said:

Yes, that is true -- "venting".  And if someone I shit-talked/vented to, then turned around and told the person I was bitching about what I had said, that would be a huge betrayal, and a far greater sin than a few harsh words said in private.

 

Exactly.  Denise didn't tweet this, blog this or spread it around.  WTF?

[Keywestclubkid]

14 minutes ago, Rahul said:

I think I'm done with this show. I'm not interested in seeing these vile witches plot and scheme to take yet another person down.

 

I quit two episodes ago lol I just pop on here to get a recap .. nothing about this season was fun 

[tranquilidade]

2 minutes ago, ancslove said:

I think Teddi's problem is that she doesn't know how to react to Denise (or anyone) if Denise is secretly despising her, but being nice to her face.  She was more comfortable shutting Camille down, because she and Camille both knew they hated each other, and Teddi didn't feel like feigning civility and hearing Camille's pleasantries.  I think Teddi's extremely dramatic reaction to Denise's appearance on that first full day in Rome was pretty genuine.  She didn't want to interact with someone who faked being her friend, or even a friendly acquaintance/colleague, while secretly hating her guts, because she didn't know how to behave in turn.  And Teddi's own dislike of Denise makes her want Denise to feel the same, because then... Well, I don't know what would happen, but I think Teddi imagines she'd be more comfortable just dropping the pretense.  She feels Denise doesn't like her, partly in response to her own feelings of dislike toward Denise**, and everything would just be better without the Yay Friends! song and dance.

**And yes, I do think Denise at least mildly dislikes Teddi, and that Teddi can feel that.  Whether Denise dislikes Teddi as much as Teddi thinks, I'm not so sure.  

Teddy needs to grow up.  Adults deal with people who don't really like them  all the time and they keep their opinions private.    This doesn't make a person untrustworthy or a liar just functional.   

[Rahul]

7 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I quit two episodes ago lol I just pop on here to get a recap .. nothing about this season was fun 

Production isn't even trying to cover up their mess. 

A mic'd up Brandi just happens to be "in the area" with a present in tow for the baby shower of a woman she just met a few weeks ago? And Kyle wants us to believe she had nothing to do with this? Chile, please. 

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Rahul said:

Production isn't even trying to cover up their mess. 

A mic'd up Brandi just happens to be "in the area" with a present in tow for the baby shower of a woman she just met a few weeks ago? And Kyle wants us to believe she had nothing to do with this? Chile, please. 

The fact that Kyle after everything she went through with Brandi all the shit she caused and the trouble between her and her sister would push this on Denise just makes her seem soo much more dirty like why? If this was being done to her in this way she would have flipped the fuck out 

[The Ringo Kidd]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

So Denise is very serious that she’s “very married” and doesn’t cheat on her husband, as of last episode, but in her confessional she says with a big grin on her face that if she told Aaron she had sex with Brandi, he’d simply ask why he wasn’t involved.  This isn’t another lie, but it’s yet another inconsistency in her philosophy.  It’s hard to keep up.  It reminds me of RHNJ season 4 Melissa, who was outraged at the idea that someone would accuse her of working at a strip club, and then she interviewed that it would have been stupid not to work there because the money is so good.  I feel like I say this every week, but please pick a lane, please pick a story.  Or just shut up about it.  

It is as pretty obvious that was a joke.

Jokes are not allowed on this abortion of a show. Just pearl clutching and righteous indignation.

[RealHousewife]

16 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

The fact that Kyle after everything she went through with Brandi all the shit she caused and the trouble between her and her sister would push this on Denise just makes her seem soo much more dirty like why? If this was being done to her in this way she would have flipped the fuck out 

Kyle screams and cries over her friend showing up late due to glam. Imagine if someone came out with gossip that could literally destroy her marriage and family life. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by RealHousewife

[princelina]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Kyle and Teddi pronounced “Capri, Italy” as “CAP-pri” with the emphasis on the first syllable.  That’s not only incorrect, but I’ve never heard anyone bungle the word “Capri” before in my life.  Oh, and place cards are now name tags.  Leave it to Kyle and Teddi to sound like bumpkins.

 

1 hour ago, BusyOctober said:

The way Dorit said “KAHP-ree” in her TH was so annoying! But then she said it normally when Teddi and Kyle showed up.

When she was planning the shower with Kyle she was using her "accent" and I thought Kyle assumed she was right so did it too, and then Teddi copied Kyle.  They really are morons.  And then when Dorit invited the ladies in she pronounced it correctly.  These are the small things that amuse on this show now 😄 

 

47 minutes ago, Jel said:

But she loses me with the insisting on accountability re: Denise admitting she doesn't like her. To what end? There's no accounting for taste, and she can't confront Denise into liking her. It seems like a fruitless and harmful exercise.

Nor can she confront Denise into admitting she doesn't like her.  Why do these women never get embarrassed by themselves?  Insisting that someone admit she doesn't like you; insisting someone has had sex with you over and over as they deny it; dancing naked on instagram in your 50s.  (For the record Rinna, that's why I shame you!!!)

30 minutes ago, ancslove said:

I think Teddi's problem is that she doesn't know how to react to Denise (or anyone) if Denise is secretly despising her, but being nice to her face.  

Smile, say hi and sit next to someone else - if she can't figure this out she doesn't deserve to hang out with other people.  "This group" is large enough to do that.  

[RealHousewife]

27 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

Teddy needs to grow up.  Adults deal with people who don't really like them  all the time and they keep their opinions private.    This doesn't make a person untrustworthy or a liar just functional.   

Seriously. Watching Teddi, it's like she's never come across someone who didn't love her. Haven't we all run into problems with coworkers at some point? Do we all always hit it off with all of our friends' other friends? We're not all going to be besties, and most people talk. It's not that big a deal. I can know for a fact someone has said awful things about me but be cordial and get my work done without creating problems. If Teddi's dramatics are because she feels she has to create story for the show, then props she can actually act better some of the professional actresses who've been cast. But she does legitimately seem too sensitive to be on a show notorious for bitchiness and cattiness.  

[Callaphera]

44 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

Teddy needs to grow up.  Adults deal with people who don't really like them  all the time and they keep their opinions private.    This doesn't make a person untrustworthy or a liar just functional.   

How does Teddi live in "Beverly Hills" (I don't know if any of them actually live in Beverly Hills proper anymore) if she doesn't know how to deal with fake people? Because I dunno about you guys but I've always heard that everyone out there is 100% 1000% genuine and real.

Also how does Teddi trust someone (Brandi) who claims to be "1000%" honest? If you have to pad the numbers to sound more honest, you're probably not honest. 

[islandgal140]

The reaching to turn Denise into some kind of super villain made me nearly pop a gasket. So now Denise is even more manipulative than Lisa "Bobby Fischer" Vanderpump? Does that make her Megamind? Weaponized friendship? Are you fucking kidding me with that shit?!! With the exception of Garcelle, Sutton (and I can't believe I am even saying this) Dorit, these women are vile. WTF is Erika even in a snit over if she knows and loves being a cold icy bitch? That is just a fact at this point. 

I think Rinna is obsessed with thinness and has a disordered eating pattern.  I'm not in Rinna's house but as blunt and str8 forward as she is I have no problem believing that her actions and words conveyed the message that no one likes or wants a fattie.  Combine that with growing up in not only LA/Hollywood but having 2 parents in the industry it is a deadly combination. 

1 hour ago, Legalbeagle421 said:

I agree with this. I love Teddi (hold your tomatoes please 😂) and I think she just wants to be liked, which is relatable (and unrealistic) to me. She hasn't figured out yet that not everyone will like her and it bugs her that she can't figure out why Denise doesn't.

I hope Teddi never discovers twitter. They really don't like her ass there. LOL!

2 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Giving a polite excuse for missing a party causes distrust?  Kyle sounds like an imbecile.  

Imbecile isn't even the word. The same woman who basically tacitly agreed with Dorit that her room remodel was beautiful and Capri-like and then in her confessional stated the exact opposite.  Isn't that a lie? Doesn't that spawn distrust Kyle?

I actually always liked Kyle, even during the whole LVP thing last season, but this season the scales have fallen from my eyes. 

[The Ringo Kidd]

5 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

 

I actually always liked Kyle, even during the whole LVP thing last season, but this season the scales have fallen from my eyes. 

Repeat after me:

GOODBYE KYLE!

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Callaphera said:

People who pride themselves on being "brutally honest" and "owning it" are usually just using that as an excuse to be an asshole. Shit-talking to a person you can trust is a stress relieving exercise. It's self care, really. It's probably on those self care checklists, right after "bubble bath" and before "four square breathing to center yourself". 

YES. They're usually huge jerks and on top of that, they still lie! Oftentimes more that those of us who admit to telling the odd fib.  And people are usually against lying because it's considered a sin. Ditto gossip. But do these women believe spreading gossip that truly hurt someone is okay because they think it's true? And Denise is the biggest liar of all time and can't be trusted to ever tell the truth if she messed up but doesn't feel she owes the world that information?

Most people shit-talk when they've been treated badly. I guess some of these women say that's a no-no unless you have a dramatic confrontation first? lol I even remember Kyle saying when she has a problem with one friend, she has to talk to another friend about it. These ladies don't understand the difference between talking/venting and being a phony malicious gossip. Denise appears to be the former (whether she messed with that gross creature or not), and some of the others are the latter. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by RealHousewife

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

Teddy just put those ugly man hands down and stfu  nobody cares

😄 😄 😄 😄 😄

 

Edited August 20, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, Jel said:

Yes, that is true -- "venting".  And if someone I shit-talked/vented to, then turned around and told the person I was bitching about what I had said, that would be a huge betrayal, and a far greater sin than a few harsh words said in private.

 

Exactly. I don't understand how some people don't get this. And I don't know how anyone on earth thinks they can confide in Brandi Glanville.

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, tranquilidade said:

Teddy needs to grow up.  Adults deal with people who don't really like them  all the time and they keep their opinions private.    This doesn't make a person untrustworthy or a liar just functional.   

Yeah, this is how I feel.

I don't think being fake with people you don't like is the only way to go.  There are people I don't like and I simply don't engage with them, personally. I don't enjoy being fake towards anyone and I also don't enjoy telling someone to their face that I don't like them, but there is a middle ground.  Polite / reserved disengagement.  I guess it's slightly different with coworkers so Denise can't ignore Teddi - that would be rude - so Denise is doing what she should, in all honesty.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[Miss Slay]

Could Lisa Rinna and Kyle be anymore transparent? it's obvious that they want Denise off the show. They are literally using the Vanderpump playbook - invoking her name and calling Denise "manipulative". 

Oh please ladies.

[bichonblitz]

I kind of hope they do bring Brandi back next season because they will have to make her spend an entire season fighting with someone, she can never be the good guy, that has never worked for Brandi.  I would love to see Teddi or Kyle in her line of fire. That would be delicious. 

Can someone please explain to me what "weaponizing" a friendship means? Garcelle was so on point when she said Rinna has become hardened and cold. Wonder what Rinna thought when she saw tonight's footage of Garcelle's opinion of her. 

Edited August 20, 2020 by bichonblitz

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Jel said:

I've long joked that I may say something not nice about someone, but at least I have the decency to say it behind their back.  That's civility to me.  Honesty and owning it is way overrated.

Kathy Griffin says talking behind someone's back is manners! 😀

[swankie]

1 hour ago, Callaphera said:

Teddy needs to grow up.  Adults deal with people who don't really like them  all the time and they keep their opinions private.    This doesn't make a person untrustworthy or a liar just functional. 

Being upset because someone smiles in your face but then tells everybody behind your back that they hate you doesnt have anything to do with having to grow up.  It has to do with being upset about being around a two faced liar in your group.  Denise is a lying liar who lies.  I don't understand why she gets a pass.  Practically everything she's said this season has been a lie.  She is a major flip flopper.  She's acting like Kyle and Teddi made up what Brandi said.  They only confronted you about something someone else said about you. Ffs, don't kill the messenger as they say!

[swankie]

2 hours ago, ancslove said:

**And yes, I do think Denise at least mildly dislikes Teddi, and that Teddi can feel that.  Whether Denise dislikes Teddi as much as Teddi thinks, I'm not so sure.  

Well, Teddi knows for sure after this episode.  Denise told Garcelle straight out that she really can't stand Teddi. So it turns out Teddi's instincts were on point.