S12.E16: Not Very Merry-achi

[Marley]

Ramona is such a fake stupid bitch.

[The Ringo Kidd]

Did I hear Sonja talk about her “Impossible Pussy?”

I remember Richard Kiley singing about in 1965!

 

[LibertarianSlut]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Does anyone know if any of these ladies smoke now?

In addition to Lu, Dorinda was smoking inside BSM after Luann stormed out.  I have a suspicion they may all be secret smokers, except for Ramona (and Bethenny and Aviva) who have been vocal about anti-smoking.  I seem to remember almost every other Housewife on this franchise sneaking a drag here or there—Jules, Tinsley and Carole pop into my mind immediately.  I’ll probably think of half a dozen more tonight at 3 am when I can’t sleep lol.  

[Ms Blue Jay]

I'm sorry to repeat myself but Luann looks GORGEOUS

[chewycandy]

13 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

 

8 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Something about Dorinda screaming "Crop top?  DING!  You're a Whore!"  was really funny.  I have to admit it.

I love Luann's blue dress.  She looks great.

Agree on both. Also loved Lu’s “what am I putting makeup on for? It’s just dinner with the girls.” BH ladies, take note!

[mostlylurking]

Even though she was awkward about it Ramona was trying to interact with the ladies at the spa event. even if it was just to avoid speaking to Leah, that’s what the event was about. Leah made it all about herself and when she left she showed she really didn’t give a shit about the event. 

[Ms Blue Jay]

1 hour ago, Steph J said:

"What behavior?"

REALLY LEAH? What behavior? C'mon.

And Leah talks about RAMONA gaslighting?  Leah was gaslighting.  And I think Luann was unintentionally gaslighting.  Luann clear doesn't remember, even though Leah climbed up on top of her and was grinding on her, or maybe Luann just laughed it off because she doesn't think anything of it.

Leah sounds like Rick James

Edited July 31, 2020 by Ms Blue Jay

[esco1822]

5 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Leah made it all about herself and when she left she showed she really didn’t give a shit about the event. 

I appreciated that she left the event so she didn’t end up causing a scene. So she must have cared a little. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[Pondlass1]

What!? No glam squads! Good grief! 😱

 

 

[Ms Blue Jay]

2 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

What!? No glam squads! Good grief! 😱

 

 

Well, there was the woman who had to deal with Sonja constantly getting naked in front of her 🙃

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, Straycat80 said:

I can’t wait to travel again. Was in Cancun in February, loved it, can’t wait to go back. That house is beautiful, I hope Sonja doesn’t start breaking shit. 

That is an amazing property.  It is part of a resort, Azul Beach Resort, (that has since changed names).  Stunning with amazing service!    

1 hour ago, jaybird2 said:

i think lou

and Dorinda, I think.

[goofygirl]

Again, I ask... What did MEXICO do to these women for them to take it out and shake it??  I agree, though; I adore Cancun and the house and beachfront look stunning.  WHY can't I be there?  I would appreciate it so much more than these dumbasses!!! 

AND,  I wouldn't go around nekked and expect people to unpack my bags!  I'd be a NICE houseguest!

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by goofygirl
I forgot. Nekked in front of stranger

[Pattycake2]

The camera shot of Leah dancing didn’t show her from the front, but it certainly caught her ass cheeks hanging out.  It was Ramona’s birthday, Ramona’s party, and Ramona’s friends.  I can only hope half the crap that happened was producer driven.  The ladies trashed Ramona’s friends, made fun of the decor, a few didn’t follow the dress guidance, and Leah and Sonja were practically screaming Look at Me! Look at Me!  Oh, and I actually heard myself say out loud tonight - F Off, Dorinda.

[mothmonsterman]

I find Leah insufferable. She’s the definition of an attention whore. She stormed out of the spa, then came back when no one cared. 
 

She has never said she felt bad about one thing she has done on the show, she just blows it off and points to someone else. That is a very immature and insane way to react. No one should walk around thinking they do no wrong. Yet, there’s Leah. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by mothmonsterman

[ichbin]

2 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

As Heather DuBrow once said, “pick a lane.”  Bitch.  

Unfortunately it appears she has settled upon petulant.  It's like watching a fourteen year old who's been forced to spend time with the mother  she currently hates and her mother's friends when she would rather be doing anything else.  I don't think age is the problem though.  I get the feeling there would be issues with younger women  too if they didn't share her particular views.  

Edited July 31, 2020 by ichbin
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[maggiemae]

I don't get it - a day at the spa and the guests are getting hair color and highlights that can't be kept up? Or makeup they cannot afford?

Pampering would be a hot tub and a massage, imo. And a nice lunch.

[ichbin]

19 minutes ago, Pattycake2 said:

 

The camera shot of Leah dancing didn’t show her from the front, but it certainly caught her ass cheeks hanging out.

 

When she was humping Luann her dress did hike up over her hips exposing her pubic area but she was wearing a flesh tone  bodysuit and I believe that is what one could see. 

[Kiss my mutt]

Something about Leah makes me feel like I need to get a penicillin shot when ever I see her. She can make the demurest of outfits look trashy. She’s just gross and honestly not even very attractive. 

[mothmonsterman]

5 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Something about Leah makes me feel like I need to get a penicillin shot when ever I see her. She can make the demurest of outfits look trashy. She’s just gross and honestly not even very attractive. 

Leah is New York’s version of Brandi Glanville. She’s tacky and doesn’t belong. She’d be more at home with the Vanderpump Rules cast. 

[Haute Messe]

Leah's first mistake was to come charging into this group like a bull in a china shop. We've seen this before - Kelly Dodd comes to mind. 

Then she takes absolutely no responsibility for her part in any of the actions that have pissed off some of the OGs.  She is the victim every single time. She is a complete mess and is on a very self destructive path. I don't blame Ramona for walking out of that forced confrontation but it's unfortunate that she had to. Trying to talk to Leah was like talking to a brick wall. As for whether Ramona should have been discussing Leah's BPD, it doesn't sound like it has been a deep dark secret, and my feeling is that Ramona is just trying to rationalize Leah's bizarre behaviour. 

And for the 16th time this season, STFU and MYOB, Dorinda. She is disgusting. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Put your sock back on, Dorinda, with the sandwiches and salad two inches away.

[mothmonsterman]

5 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Put your sock back on, Dorinda, with the sandwiches and salad two inches away.

She probably didn’t even wash her hands after. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Leah was right about one thing. It seemed that Ramona was making an effort to be polite with the women from Fortune, but she’d treat them horribly and order them to unpack her luggage anywhere else.

Edited July 31, 2020 by hoodooznoodooz

[hoodooznoodooz]

Sonja’s clothing line looks really cheap. The fabrics are bargain basement rejects. But it was nice seeing Dorinda and Ramona so happy for her.

[missyb]

I watched Watch What's Happening Live tonight. I have to say, Ramona was hysterical.  She does own who she is and I find her the most genuine of the Housewives. She may be over the top,loud, obnoxious, but its who she is, not for the cameras. Sonja is always acting for the cameras. Always. I find her offensive.

Several housewives have said, Ramona has proven to be a very good friend. Dont know naything about that but it has been said.

[hoodooznoodooz]

That man has to iron and steam Ramona’s dress because she wrinkled it in London?!?

[hoodooznoodooz]

Oh. I kind of like sober Dorinda mothering sober Leah. She was sweet giving Leah the caftan. Which really does look good on her.

eta: Okay, Rinna/RHoBH had completely soured me on leopard print for all eternity, but I now need to own that caftan pronto. Gorgeous. Unlike Sonja’s schmattas, that fabric was very high end. The drape is lovely when she walks.

Edited July 31, 2020 by hoodooznoodooz

[CrinkleCutCat]

35 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Oh. I kind of like sober Dorinda mothering sober Leah. She was sweet giving Leah the caftan. Which really does look good on her.

Dorinda had an ulterior motive for lending Leah the sheer caftan: to set up Ramona in a double standards ‘gotcha’ moment.... if Ramona had a go at Leah for flaunting her body, they could say “ha! It’s Dorinda’s caftan!”

[The Ringo Kidd]

I heard Dorinda was bitten by a great white shark up in Maine last week.

He spit her out. Didn’t like the taste.

She was bitter.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Ramona and Sonja

HAVE. GAINED. WEIGHT.

[film noire]

From Leah's 2016 essay on Hypebae about her "love affair with my Bipolar II disorder":

"I turned a dark corner when my hypomania got out of control and became dangerous. It was so hard to see that I was out of control. I felt charming, seductive. I swear I even feel like during these elated times I look sexier and prettier. I was sexually insatiable, I spent a lot of money I didn’t have, and I was agitated and impulsive... it’s a constant hunger, a constant need for stimulation.. I thought it would be a great idea to go to Spain for a weekend even though I had just been there for two weeks not long before. I also thought it would be a great idea to change Kier’s school out of nowhere, buy a couch that cost $10,000 USD, and date a couple. I couldn’t sit still and I couldn’t stop spending money."

...That was in the summer of 2014. I have been in remission, as they call it, since then. After trial and error I am on the right medication cocktail. Sometimes I want to go off it all but my support network of friends and family always talk me out of it."

https://hypebae.com/2016/8/leah-mcsweeney-bipolar-mental-health

So when Leah is having an unmedicated episode,  she engages in hyper-sexualized behaviour,  acts impulsively, has no judgement,  lacks any self awareness and is incapable  of seeing she's completely out of control.  The disorder also causes her to mistakenly believe she is actually more charming, prettier, and sexier when in a manic episode, or off her meds, or drinking.  

Which pretty well describes Leah's behavior 70 percent of the time on the show. 

Which means Ramona is...sorta right (the fuck? How did THAT happen, guys? The assurance that Ramona will always let us down - throw a glass, say something brutal,  walk in a bikini and high heels with all the grace of a constipated pigeon in hot pursuit of a man making over 400K a year - the Moaner touchstones!  -  gone.  Poof! Ramona is now the voice of reason.  Ramona is now discussing best practice protocols,  diving into non-engagement,  and refusing to be baited into the fight Dorinda is trying to choreograph with all the wet-lipped passion Medley usually reserves for her roast chicken nights with Lenny Briscoe (speaking of juice). Welcome to the new decade: Covid. Murder hornets. UFOs. Killer seeds, And Ramoner the Reasoner. We are so screwed.)

 

 

Edited July 31, 2020 by film noire

[bichonblitz]

"Don't talk about my vagina and don't talk about my mental health". 

There you have it. Leah has spoken. 

[jaybird2]

4 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Ramona and Sonja

HAVE. GAINED. WEIGHT.

they have lost it

[Chit Chat]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

The assurance that Ramona will always let us down - throw a glass, say something brutal,  walk in a bikini and high heels with all the grace of a constipated pigeon in hot pursuit of a man making over 400K a year 

Oh, film noire, you never disappoint with your posts!!  Thanks for the laugh. 

Ramona should be annoyed with Sonja since she's the one that ran and told Leah about her conversation with Ramona about her being bipolar.  Sonja and Dorinda are quite the shit stirrers.  

[SweetieDarling]

6 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Sonja’s clothing line looks really cheap. The fabrics are bargain basement rejects. But it was nice seeing Dorinda and Ramona so happy for her.

I think we should start calling Sonja "Minnie Pearl". Do all of her (un-Sharpied) clothes still have the tags on them? We could make it into a game: Spot Sonja's Price Tag. In tonight's episode it was hanging from the back collar of the blue caftan.

Edited July 31, 2020 by SweetieDarling
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[Jextella]

They say that young people stop maturing when they turn to drugs and alcohol.  Wherever they are in their emotional development at the time they check out is where they are at today.

My non-professional arm-chair psychology take on Leah is that she stopped maturing when she turned to drugs and alcohol and that she is still at the emotional maturity level she was when that happened.  Near as I can tell, that would be her teen years.  Leah is still very much a teenager.

All the talk about it being ok for her to do what she wants to do says it all.  She hasn't learned that every action has a reaction and that if its ok for her to do what she wants (action), then its ok for others to do what they want (reaction).  Nor has Leah learned that a relationship is a two-way street and that sacrifice is often required since both perspectives matter yet may be different.  In this case, doing, soley what one wants devalues the thoughts and feelings of the other person which means there is no real relationship to begin with.

Her tagline says it all.  She says something like I'll never apologize for who I am, but I'll apologize for what I do.   She misses the point entirely.  Who she is IS what she does.  They are one and the same.

I think Leah hasn't matured past a teen mentality.  She is still in the "me" zone. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by Jextella

[QQQQ]

11 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Leah is annoying as hell.  She doesn't seem to be able to go out in public in any capacity without throwing a tantrum.

 

 

 

Leah reminds me of CeCe from Beaches - must be the center of attention and it's exhausting to be around. 

 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

12 minutes ago, Jextella said:

They say that young people stop maturing when they turn to drugs and alcohol.  Whereever they are in their emotional development at the time they check out is where they are at today.

IMy non-professional arm-chair psychology take on Leah is that she is still emotionally in her teens.  

All the talk about it being ok for her to do what she wants to do says it all.  She hasn't learned that it works both ways.  Yes, she can do what she wants, but so can Ramona.  And, she doesn't understand that if the goal is to build relationsships, it can't always be about what she wants to do, because there are two people involved and each will want to do their own thing which means the other has to sacrifce a bit.

Her tagline basically conveys the same thing.  She says something like I'll never apologize for who I am, but I'l apologize for what I do.   First,.who one is and what they do are, IMO, the same thing. Second, she doesn't walk the talk on the latter point - or she completely doesn't understand how what she does can be problemmatic for others. 

I think Leah just hasn't matured past a teen-mentality and is still in the "me" zone. 

 

I agree with this. And I don't think it is any coincidence whatsoever that a lot of her issues with Ramona emerged around the same time that her mother stopped talking to her. I think that she is transferring a lot of her anger and frustration about her mother onto Ramona because Ramona is there, while her mother is not. 

I also suspect that part of the reason she has become so attached to Dorinda is because Dorinda is giving her the approval that she isn't getting from her mother. In the long run, I think that is going to be very bad for Leah. Because Dorinda is a narcissist and will turn on Leah eventually because that is what narcissists do. 

But yeah, IMO, Leah has some really deep-seated issues that stem from her teen years, which has dealt with in any kind of healthy manner yet. And rather than deal with them, she is once again retreating into alcohol and acting out, and IMO, that's bad for her and for anyone who cares for her. Once she can deal with those issues, she can finally start taking responsibility for how she acts.

(I will say, that as much as I think she's acting like a brat, I do understand her anger about Ramona talking about her bipolar disorder. She's clearly NOT hiding it if she has written about it, and that's good, but it's still her place to tell the other women about it, not Ramona's. But in everything else, I am on Ramona's side, not Leah's. She's acted very badly and Ramona has every right to be upset with her about her behavior).

[TV Diva Queen]

11 hours ago, Steph J said:

Well, first she called them "helpers"

Help—-ers is how I heard it.  Not sure she said it that way but I felt it that way. 

[lamujerdecente]

The hypocrisy of Ramona bugs me. She allows Sonia to behave like a lunatic around her but admonishes Leah for the same behavior.

Both Ramona and Sonia are elitist snobs that frankly couldn’t behave more pedestrian.

 

Ramona also dresses very cheap. I have always hated her clothes. Luann doesn’t always makes the best choices but she 9/10 looks chic even if it’s not my style. Dorinda as well. 
They dress to their style and body type not trends like Ramona does. 
 

Early Carole season 5-6, Evil Aviva and Bethany were always the best dressed on this franchise and the most natural fashionistas if that makes sense. 
 

I think both Leah and Ramona trigger each other because they are VERY SIMILAR.

Ramona resents her younger self she sees in Leah and Leah sees her future, an obnoxious, twat who likes to pretend she’s more progressive and liberal, but she would chew her arm off to be accepted by those women. 
 

I see y’all both. 
 

I can’t stand Leah. I think She’s fake and she tried to pretend she’s one of the tough street Chicks of nyc. Nah bish. You ain’t one of us.

She also has some real spotty political views that ain’t so different from the “MAGA “ crowd she likes to mock. 

But so is Ramona. I been watching you behave atrociously on this show for over a decade Ramona. Sit down.

 

she treats the staff terribly. She’s someone who would do good to lose some cash and have to work her tush in service. 

Mental illness is not something to throw at folks Ramona. And btw u been using your abusive childhood to be an asshole, even assault a cast mate with a glass, for over a decade 
 

Those two are mirrors for each other. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by lamujerdecente

[mwell345]

12 hours ago, Vanderboom said:

I'm glad that Luann fulfilled her promise for the Fortune Society Spa Day. Some part of me doubted that she would follow through, so I'm pleasantly surprised. I just wished the other RHONY weren't there, bringing their idiotic drama to the event.

I was too.  I was also surprised and glad that Bravo aired it - would have been better without the drama.  Lee Ann is just trying to hard to make an issue out of everything. 

[Jextella]

4 hours ago, lamujerdecente said:

The hypocrisy of Ramona bugs me. She allows Sonia to behave like a lunatic around her but admonishes Leah for the same behavior.Both

Ramona and Sonia are elitist snobs that frankly couldn’t behave more pedestrian.

I think with Sonja, the issue is different.  Leah acts like a child and Ramona responds as if she is a child.  Ramona is trying to help Leah grow up.

Sonja is an adult who has suffered significant losses and can't quite recover. Ramona is trying to be a sympathetic friend to Sonja.

Both Leah and Sonja behave in outlandish ways but for different reasons.  Ramona responds accordingly.

I agree that both Ramona and Sonja are elitist and if the rumors are true, they aren't that nice to the "help".  I don't think I'd like either one of them in real life, but their elitism is a whole 'nuther issue.  I actually support Ramona in her response to both Leah and Sonja.

Edited July 31, 2020 by Jextella

[Keywestclubkid]

9 hours ago, Pattycake2 said:

The camera shot of Leah dancing didn’t show her from the front, but it certainly caught her ass cheeks hanging out.  It was Ramona’s birthday, Ramona’s party, and Ramona’s friends.  I can only hope half the crap that happened was producer driven.  The ladies trashed Ramona’s friends, made fun of the decor, a few didn’t follow the dress guidance, and Leah and Sonja were practically screaming Look at Me! Look at Me!  Oh, and I actually heard myself say out loud tonight - F Off, Dorinda.

When Ramona walked over with her purse at the party that her friends got her the fact that Luann told Ramona to go away at HER birthday party because she and leah and Dorinda were having a talk .... Bitch its HER party you wanna tell someone to go away it should be you.. That to me was just like you do know its her party right? the balls... And Leah your vagina was blurred out by Bravo so yea your vagina was out... but you are the only one screaming about it over and over and over.... shes like a toddler... and you dressed provocatively at someones birthday party after they asked you not to and its them that is the bad guy for having the problem? and its been 7 years  to get your bipolar under control and you didn't drink in that time ... do you not see the correlation from reintroducing alcohol and her bipolar manicness she does? that's just asking for trouble because you don't just have A cocktail you have so many you get belligerent

Edited July 31, 2020 by Keywestclubkid

[TV Diva Queen]

I think the girls came to the spa day at Lu’s request to give it a batter chance to be filmed.  Lu’s really has nothing else going in and she needs her camera time. 
 

and WTF Sonja?  What is on?  That’s not being drunk. It’s disgusting. 

[Bronzedog]

40 minutes ago, QQQQ said:

Leah reminds me of CeCe from Beaches - must be the center of attention and it's exhausting to be around. 

 

Except CeCe was the wonderful Bette Midler.  And, you Leah, are no Bette Midler!

[OdinO.]

11 hours ago, chewycandy said:

That’s precisely what Ramona and her friend(s) were doing...gossiping about someone’s mental issues. I think it’s between Leah and her doctors whether she chooses to be on meds or not. 

It's not between her and her doctor the way she behaves when drinking. It effects others. She has a problem with drinking.

 

[Keywestclubkid]

It wasn't like Leah was hiding the fact she is Bipolar this wasn't some unknown thing or a secret Apparently she talked about it online   ... bringing up that she has a mental disorder and the fact that drinking with that disorder isnt a great mix was just stating the obvious ... she wasn't talking down about Leah being Bipolar she was saying MAYBE she shouldn't be mixing booze back into her life because it does have a negative effect on it ..... Which is a true statement ....Alcohol DOES effect your brain .... it is a depressant adding in that depressant with being Bipolar when you are medicated or not IS NOT a good idea ....My Mother is Bipolar I have dealt with her from being undiagnosed when I was younger till her diagnosis later in life and can tell when she is NOT taking her medication or when she is manic even over the phone .... Alcohol is NOT a good Idea with someone that has Bipolar or depression or a myriad of other mental disorders its not making fun of them or gossiping for stating that ... If she was just drinking away from these ladies NO it wouldn't be Ramona's place to say anything but shes not she is drinking to excess around these woman and because of that it now involves them....

Edited July 31, 2020 by Keywestclubkid

[RedInk]

14 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Dorinda, who literally couldn't be in the same room with Tinsley without screaming at her at the top of her lungs for merely existing, thinks Ramona was "too hard" on Leah. Dorinda is the least self-aware individual I have ever had the displeasure of watching. 

Dorinda is an absolute monster to TInsley because Tinsley appears happy and secure, and it EATS Dorinda UP. Leah is kinda pitiful and has nothing Dorinda wants.

Similarly, Ramona gives Sonja got a pass at the party because she's broke and sloppy. Leah is younger and beautiful. (ETA: so was Tinsley, but Ramona "I look younger than yoooooou!" didn't see it that way.) Sonja could have stripped down to nothing in front of those 50 closest friends and Ramona would've laughed it off as long as Sonja looked bad doing it. BTW, it is disgusting that Sonja subjected the staff to that. They really see the hired help as beneath them. She wouldn't roll around the bed drunk and naked for a celebrity stylist...this lady clearly didn't matter.  

Edited July 31, 2020 by RedInk

[Boo Boo]

12 hours ago, pieinmyeye said:

I want to know why Ramona didn’t get equally as mad with the other three. Friends or not, they all misbehaved badly.

I think it's because she's had a long term relationship with Dorinda and Sonja.  She doesn't with Leah.  It may not be fair, but I think that's pretty normal.  

[lamujerdecente]

32 minutes ago, Jextella said:

I think with Sonja, the issue is different.  Leah acts like a child and Ramona responds as if she is a child.  Ramona is trying to help Leah grow up.

Sonja is an adult who is is suffering significant losses in her life. Ramona is trying to be a sympathetic friend to Sonja.

Both Leah and Sonja behave in outlandish ways but for different reasons.  Ramona responds accordingly.

I agree that both Ramona and Sonja are elitist and if the rumors are true, they aren't that nice to the "help".  I don't think I'd like either one of them in real life, but their elitism is a whole 'nuther issue.  I actually support Ramona in her response to both Leah and Sonja.

Leah is also an adult. I am sure she has suffered losses in her life. We all have. Sonia wasn't Betty Broderick, first wife discarded. She was a second or third wife of an older man. She wasn't some naive child. And she thinks being an ex Morgan is ordained by God. IMO thats why Ramona still deals with Sonia. The traces of that ex Morgan arrogance still opens doors for Sonia and Ramona, a user, goes right in. It sucks that Sonia had to get a divorce whatever the issues were, but she was left very well off which she squandered with her fraud choices. She has been on this show for years making a decent living being a mess. My empathy ended seasons ago for her and Dorinda.

Thats the issue. All these women are acting like they are so above Leah's behavior. They just are THIS season so FAR. Well not Sonia, she has behaved WORSE than Leah. 

Edited July 31, 2020 by lamujerdecente