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I have had bleeding after menopause for years. If they do a biopsy and it’s negative, they usually just wait and see . If it keeps up they do an ultrasound and then move on to surgery to view the uterus and remove anything causing the bleeding . Angela should be fine. 

I think she is doing the right thing telling Michael he needs to decide. He should already understand she can no longer have children. 

Larissa can go away. I can’t stand her face, her voice or she constant need for drama.

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Kalani's kids being brats is not surprising, since I think the kids freak out anytime they are with are their parents. They are used to being taken care of by the grandparents. I don't know what Kalani and Asuelu do during the day, in real life, but their kids don't seem too comforted by them, making me think they don't really spend that much time with their kids. 

Kalani breastfeeds both children, so pretty sure she spends time with them. 

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Larissa needs to get a refund on her "$10,000 face."  She can use it to get her own place...in Brazil, preferably, and she can take her buddy Jess with her.  

People in Facebook 90DF groups (who apparently have a lot of free time) are posting up-close shots of her psoriasis/lice/dandruff that was on display atop her scalp last night.  

Maybe Eric was correct in his assertion she doesn't like to shower (or take care of her personal hygiene in general).  She looked like she slept on a city bench the night before in a lot of those scenes.  

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13 minutes ago, Crumpet said:

Kalani breastfeeds both children, so pretty sure she spends time with them. 

I believe Asholo is also nursing, he likes Kalani milk with his corned beef hash. Right before he gets put down for his afternoon nap.

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19 hours ago, magemaud said:

I wonder if Kalani's father still sends money to the relatives he left behind in Samoa. 

I think Papa Kalani cut them off as soon as he got to USA.

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On 8/1/2020 at 8:04 AM, CrazyInAlabama said:

I think this is all just a storyline.    The totin' a baby story is total garbage, and I can't believe even Angela is ignoring a possible cancer diagnosis, so my guess is that they played with the time line.    There is no way that the women in Michael's family don't know that Angela is way too old to have a baby, or babies, the way Michael supposedly demands.     My guess is it's another phony story line, and scripted.   

In real life, Angela would be laughed out of the IVF clinic.  There is no way a responsible reproductive endocrinologist (IVF doctor) is going to put an egg into a 54 year old chainsmoker who is at least 100 lbs overweight.  First, the logistics due to her size would be formidable.  Then, if she somehow managed to get pregnant; her odds against carrying to term without having serious, even life threatening complications for herself and her baby are extremely high.  Any specialist is going to tell her to come back once she's quit smoking and lost 100 lbs or hire a gestational surrogate to carry the baby, in addition to the egg donor.

BTW, egg donor and IVF is out of pocket and starts at around 10 grand and goes up from there.  No private health insurance plans cover IVF in a menopausal woman. A lot of clinics have finance plans, but it could easily cost 40,000.  Now, perhaps they are planning to do this in Nigeria where the cost might be less and perhaps the standards for selecting candidates might be lower; but, still, it is going to cost a bundle and Angela is a poor candidate and is likely to fail.  There are clinics that 'guarantee' a baby and the client owes nothing if they don't get pregnant; they only take women who are excellent candidates and wouldn't even consider a high risk nightmare like Angela.

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I really don’t understand Michael’s relationship with Angela. I just don’t get it? Having a child means so much to him, maybe more than the green card and meeting Trump... so why does he put up with her abuse? 

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Someone on the Pillow Talk thread who lives in Utah has confirmed that much of this Kalini/Assuelo stuff is theater. He has a few real jobs teaching and performing dance at a cultural center, is well-known about town and may also work for the father. She said they also pay rent or whatever. Plus they have the TLC money. That said, the mother is seriously weird and money grubbing and gross and he is moronic. Wait till you see next week's sneak peek.

Agree that Michael needs to impregnate a local girl on the down low.  If he does get to the U.S., she will likely be less inclined to travel to Nigeria very often.

No words for Paul, but yeah, he needs an employment counselor. Colt needs an escape plan.

 

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12 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Kalani's kids being brats is not surprising, since I think the kids freak out anytime they are with are their parents. They are used to being taken care of by the grandparents. I don't know what Kalani and Asuelu do during the day, in real life, but their kids don't seem too comforted by them, making me think they don't really spend that much time with their kids. 

 

I can't help but think those boys being kept in what appears to be the PJ's with the feet might be part of the problem. Those things don't let any air circulate and I can remember more than once finding my kids sweating underneath when I took them off. I can't imagine what it would be like to be dressed in them, all the time. Maybe they are crying because they are uncomfortable, along with what you said about the parents not seeming to comfort them very much.

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It's a drive of over 15 hours (one-way) from Washington Utah to Portland.  They'd have had to pay for gas, food, and probably an overnight stay in a hotel.

The shortest flight I saw from Saint George was almost 4 hours ($222 round trip, so $666 for the three who would require tickets).  There are no direct flights.  Plus there still would have been food costs for the layover in Salt Lake City.

Seeing how those kids seem to scream constantly in the car, and Asuelu spends his whole drive time swearing under his breath, the flight was the best option.  

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Someone on the Pillow Talk thread who lives in Utah has confirmed that much of this Kalini/Assuelo stuff is theater. He has a few real jobs teaching and performing dance at a cultural center, is well-known about town and may also work for the father. She said they also pay rent or whatever. Plus they have the TLC money. That said, the mother is seriously weird and money grubbing and gross and he is moronic. Wait till you see next week's sneak peek.

I don't remember if it's OK to talk about the sneak peeks at the end of the episode, so sorry in advance if it's not kosher, but is THAT NORMAL in SaaaMoe culture for a parent to basically demand money out of a child like that?  I can't imagine any culture where something so gross is accepted behavior.  The mother doesn't even live in SaaaMoe.  I think Asuelu mentioned she has something like 10 kids altogether, so are they all sending her a grand on the regular?  And then for the sister to tell Kalani it's none of her business?  They have 2 small children to take care of sister---I think YOU need to butt out.  

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11 hours ago, nb360 said:

I really did not need that detailed discussion about Kalani and her bathroom habits on the plane also.

 

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53 minutes ago, politichick said:

No words for Paul, but yeah, he needs an employment counselor. Colt needs an escape plan.

I'm assuming you mean Colt needs an escape plan from Debbie, and Larissa?   I'm not very fond of Jess, but I really like her family.

Paul is full of it, felons get jobs, it's probably nothing he really wants to do, but they do get jobs.   

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Two things that crack me up.  One .. all these people don’t seem to have much money, yet they fly all around the world meeting for love or visiting, unless the show is paying.  I don’t know.  Two .. Every time Coltee comes on the screen, he has an conceite to him.  He thinks he’s so gorgeous, haha, and sooo SEXY.  The only woman he can get is a green card wannabe.  That’s it.  Plus, he’s a mamas boy big time.  And, what guy screws a woman with his Mother in the next room?

 

 

 

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Angela smoking while getting the results of a biopsy... priceless. She is something else. I can't believe that the whole age factor in relation to the baby totin' didn't occur to her before now. It is ridiculous to even think that at 54 it would be no problem to have a risk-free pregnancy. They consider moms at 40 to be geriatric pregnancies! And yes, Angela, in Michael's culture if mom doesn't approve of the marriage, it's doomed. Doesn't matter how old Michael is, he's going to want his family's blessing.

Libby/Andrei/Family Libby are too much like the whole Chantal/Pedro/Family Chantal for me. Libby constantly changes sides when it suits her -- she's united with Andrei when they are alone, but then as soon as Family Libby is there, she's a total bitch to her husband and sides with her family. Pedro and Andrei are similar. They both are stubborn and don't want people asking intrusive questions, but their answers feed into the drama and keep the family on the attack. It is exhausting and really not enjoyable to watch. There's nobody to like except for Andrei's parents, who seem very kind. Thank goodness they aren't like Pedro's mom and sister!

Kalani and Asuelu -- I cannot stand them at all. He is such a complete pouty sad sack. He acts and sounds like a toddler. He has no empathy for anyone. He is very selfish and wants what he wants when he wants it. She is overbearing. I just can't even with these two. Why exactly is her sister coming on the visit??? I find the whole visit very odd. An episode or so ago he said he wasn't at all close to his half-sisters, now he's rushing to visit them. I can't even watch him. I'm amazed he functions in the real world with a real job. He seems to have one emotion: petulant child. 

The look on Debbie's face during her talking head when the producer asked if she knew Jess didn't want Colt talking to Vanessa. That was pure diabolical evilness... and frankly, I loved it! She is a force to be reckoned with! Colt and Debbie deserve each other. The games they play with each other, and Colt's girlfriends, I think they both thrive on it.

Larissa needs to be deported. Now. Don't care about her at all. 

Paul and Karine -- knowing the background scoop, I can't watch at all. They both need help. ASAP. 

Tania slurping that tea. That was so distracting and unnecessary. As a tea drinker, I can tell you that tea tastes just as good when sipped quietly. I think Singyn should just stay in S. Africa. They are so ill-matched it isn't even funny. If I were on that plane with them, I'd be so ticked if a guy took off his shoes and walked around barefoot. Just yuck. Also barefoot in a store? He really has no desire to grow up and be productive. He just wants to hang out with his friends, drink and let time pass him by. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, spunky said:

I understand that Libby's family is tired of Andrei's mooching ways, but dinner in his country of origin was not the place for this discussion. 

Regardless of whether they're tired of Andrei, Libby is a grown woman with a husband and a child.  The ins and outs of their marriage isn't really her family's business.  They should refrain from comment. 

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7 hours ago, pwdrpuff said:

Tired of little boy Asuelu and his annoying prepubescent voice.

Me, too! Shouldn’t his voice have “changed” at least ten years ago? 

This is my theory on the Washington trip. Sharp had originally planned to film them going to Samoa until the measles outbreak cancelled those plans so then, all of a sudden, Asuelu has relatives right here in the US they can visit instead! Initiate Plan B! And of course, let’s add the (by now over-used) drama of the family demanding money. 

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30 minutes ago, jackjill89 said:

Angela smoking while getting the results of a biopsy... priceless. She is something else. I can't believe that the whole age factor in relation to the baby totin' didn't occur to her before now. It is ridiculous to even think that at 54 it would be no problem to have a risk-free pregnancy. They consider moms at 40 to be geriatric pregnancies! And yes, Angela, in Michael's culture if mom doesn't approve of the marriage, it's doomed. Doesn't matter how old Michael is, he's going to want his family's blessing.

That’s why this whole baby thing isn’t a storyline. She has already told and promised his family that she could conceive and produce a child. To renege would mean they would rescind the blessing. A Naija mother/family rescinding their blessing or not offering one would be enough to stop the wedding. Never forget Usman’s mother stopped talking to him for three months when he told them about Billy Goat Visa. He bypassed women in the tribe for a woman older than his mum who absolutely couldn’t have a child, and his family couldn’t hide their disapproval and disdain more if they tried. I still believe she reluctantly agreed. Mykull’s Mum would do more of the same. It’s not unheard of for women to conceive naturally over 50, but Fiddy-Four Year Old, overweight, chain smoking Grangela has been in menopause, hasn’t had eggs in years, and effectively made a promise to his family she can’t keep. The optics look bad.

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Jess should embrace Vanessa, at least outwardly towards Debbie & Colt.  She should have told Debbie that she was so happy that the cats were in good hands, and please, show me the videos!  Awww, sweet Vanessa, taking such great care of them!

I get that she doesn't like that someone Colt slept with, who still has feelings for him, should be out of his life.  I completely agree with her!  But she should have a calm, private discussion with Colt.

She could have disarmed Debbie with one smile and show of warmth.

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4 hours ago, TMI said:

Mom will wed you to Vanessa because she can control that scene.

I hope Vanessa has some say in that! I think Debbie is pinning her hopes on a Vanessa and Colt marriage but Vanessa has no interest in her Golden Boy as a husband. 

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1 hour ago, Joan van Snark said:

but is THAT NORMAL in SaaaMoe culture for a parent to basically demand money out of a child like that?  I can't imagine any culture where something so gross is accepted behavior. 

Didn't Pedro's mother and sister demand expensive gifts be sent to them in the DR? And Devar's family, too? I think we've seen several cultures on this show where the children are expected to send money back home to their families and it's been an ongoing point of contention between the couples

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1 minute ago, magemaud said:

Didn't Pedro's mother and sister demand expensive gifts be sent to them in the DR? And Devar's family, too? I think we've seen several cultures on this show where the children are expected to send money back home to their families and it's been an ongoing point of contention between the couples

Yes and yes...and to be honest, it kind of makes me uncomfortable as a viewer. THese other cultures are constantly being shown as grubbing for prizes, it might be occasionally true but aren't there SOME decent non-materialistic llooking folks? Couldn't we have a scene wherein they just interact as normal families do, without handing someone an invoice? 

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1 hour ago, jackjill89 said:

If I were on that plane with them, I'd be so ticked if a guy took off his shoes and walked around barefoot. Just yuck. Also barefoot in a store?

And the part about when he was confronted about being barefoot in the grocery store and he said "If you don't want my business..." I can just picture him making a scene like that. No, Singe, I'm sure the store will survive just fine without your patronage, just like the McDonald's that would turn you away for not wearing a shirt. 

4 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

The little glimpse we have seen of mom and sis, I don't understand why he wants to go see them?

Again, I think the Washington visit with estranged relatives was cooked up by production as a result of them not being able to go to Samoa because of the measles outbreak. 

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if my in-laws started asking about my past in front of my family, I would lose my mind.  none of their damn business. 

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, lizajane said:

 

I could have done without listening to Tania slurping down that tea.

And then she sighed after every slurp.  Classy.  

Is Dolly Parton famous for wearing robes?  I know her for her talent and her chest.

Was Syngin taking relationship advice from a teenager?

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58 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Me, too! Shouldn’t his voice have “changed” at least ten years ago? 

This is my theory on the Washington trip. Sharp had originally planned to film them going to Samoa until the measles outbreak cancelled those plans so then, all of a sudden, Asuelu has relatives right here in the US they can visit instead! Initiate Plan B! And of course, let’s add the (by now over-used) drama of the family demanding money. 

 I think you're right.  It seems to be the theme this season what with Libby and OnDraaaay on Moldova, Tania and Syringe in SA, Angela back in Nigeria.  I can assure you if the kids weren't involved, we would be in SamWa this season as well.

 

11 minutes ago, magemaud said:

And the part about when he was confronted about being barefoot in the grocery store and he said "If you don't want my business..." I can just picture him making a scene like that. No, Singe, I'm sure the store will survive just fine without your patronage. 

 

If he can't even handle shoes, I wouldn't care to accompany him anywhere where masks are currently required -- and I am total anti-mask -- but not exactly given much choice right now.

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Angela has one daughter in prison, one daughter living with her along with SIX grand kids because apparently her 2 daughters are losers and can't support themselves or their kids and up until recently a sick mother to care for. Yes, 54 year old Angela needs a baby in the house. Go for it, you stupid cow. 

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Andrei and Libby's brother looked like they were dancing together in that final shot.  Maybe that's why her brother hates Andrei so much - he's jealous.

$48 for a big can of SPAM. Yeah.

Since you aren't working and have no job prospects, Pole, maybe you might want to cut expenses and get rid of the two German shepards that require a lot of food.  Dog food gets expensive.

Eric is making Dolly Parton references, imitating Larissa, and his roommate is calling her about the phone.  I'm sticking with my gay theory.

Coltee should just marry his mom.

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Ok.  What is the  common denominator with regard to Jess and Larissa????  Other than being from the same country and trolling for a green card, the common denominator is Coltee and his mother!!!!    Gee, could that be the reason both “over react?”

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1 hour ago, steff13 said:

Regardless of whether they're tired of Andrei, Libby is a grown woman with a husband and a child.  The ins and outs of their marriage isn't really her family's business.  They should refrain from comment. 

I agree that they shouldn't be as involved.  However Libby continues to involve them by constantly running to her dad for everything. 

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50 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Didn't Pedro's mother and sister demand expensive gifts be sent to them in the DR? And Devar's family, too? I think we've seen several cultures on this show where the children are expected to send money back home to their families and it's been an ongoing point of contention between the couples

I worked at a grocery store in college that provided money services, including check cashing and Western Union.  Every Friday without fail we'd have guys come in, cash their checks, and then wire the bulk of the money to Mexico via Western Union (we have a large Mexican population where I live).  I don't think it's unusual for people in other cultures to do this.  It's really something they should discuss prior to marriage. 

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It's good that Paul cares about his dogs and wants to treat them well. But if you're penniless and calling your mom to come buy dog food, you shouldn't be in a pet store buying pricey dog food (it looked like Blue Buffalo, which I buy for my dogs) and browsing the ridiculously overpriced dog treats. I think he said three tracheas for $18, which actually is less than what I'd pay at a local store, but those are real luxury treats. I think he walked out with two of them.

While you're stone cold broke, you should buy a reasonably priced, healthy but not top-tier, dog food at the Publix they showed just outside in the same shopping center. And buy the luxury dog treats after you're getting a paycheck.

Btw, these 90 day shows are getting less and less fun to watch as I learn more about the scripted, fake stuff. It's bad enough when you know the producers "facilitate" things with money or behind-the-scenes arrangements, but it ruins the guilty pleasure of watching when I know the people arguing are just doing it for the camera and are friendly in real life, or that some parts of their lives are just made up.

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Larissa - go home before you destroy what is left of your beauty (and we all know that she does not listen to my sage advice!).  She reminds me of Blanche Dubois in A Streetcar Named Desire depending on the “kindness of strangers.”

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8 minutes ago, spunky said:

I agree that they shouldn't be as involved.  However Libby continues to involve them by constantly running to her dad for everything. 

I agree, Libby needs to stop running to her dad for everything, and she needs to shut her family down when they start attacking Andrei.  When I first got married I called my mother to complain about my husband and she refused to listen to it.  She never bad-mouthed him to me, and she wouldn't let me bad-mouth him to her.  

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1 hour ago, Starlight925 said:

Jess should embrace Vanessa, at least outwardly towards Debbie & Colt.  She should have told Debbie that she was so happy that the cats were in good hands, and please, show me the videos!  Awww, sweet Vanessa, taking such great care of them!

I get that she doesn't like that someone Colt slept with, who still has feelings for him, should be out of his life.  I completely agree with her!  But she should have a calm, private discussion with Colt.

She could have disarmed Debbie with one smile and show of warmth.

I agree, to a point. I don't think anyone could disarm Debbie, but Jess certainly could have surprised the bejesus out of her by behaving like an adult who had a modicum of social smarts. Just like any female server or bartender knows, you don't. flirt with the guy when a couple comes in, you befriend the woman. Jess should make an ally of Debbie, and Vanessa. She's an idiot. 

57 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Didn't Pedro's mother and sister demand expensive gifts be sent to them in the DR? And Devar's family, too? I think we've seen several cultures on this show where the children are expected to send money back home to their families and it's been an ongoing point of contention between the couples

And I think largely made up by production. I really wish they'd vary the script sometime.

54 minutes ago, Uncle JUICE said:

Yes and yes...and to be honest, it kind of makes me uncomfortable as a viewer. THese other cultures are constantly being shown as grubbing for prizes, it might be occasionally true but aren't there SOME decent non-materialistic llooking folks? Couldn't we have a scene wherein they just interact as normal families do, without handing someone an invoice? 

Yes, this is Sharp xenophobia all over. All foreign families are crass, money grubbing opportunists, the end. Oh,, well, Andrei's family and Syngin's haven't whined for money. But of course they're white. Funny how the brown folks are painted as repellent greed bags, every time. 

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3 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Yes, this is Sharp xenophobia all over. All foreign families are crass, money grubbing opportunists, the end. Oh,, well, Andrei's family and Syngin's haven't whined for money. But of course they're white. Funny how the brown folks are painted as repellent greed bags, every time. 

I don't think of them as being greedy, I just think they have a different expectation of family than we do in the US.  Here we tend to get married and move away and do our own thing.  In other cultures it's more common for the family members to support one another.  It's not negative, just different than what we're used to.  

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6 hours ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Yes, this is Sharp xenophobia all over. All foreign families are crass, money grubbing opportunists, the end. Oh,, well, Andrei's family and Syngin's haven't whined for money.

Paul whines for money all the time and he’s lily white and probably the biggest loser of the bunch!!!!

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Debb is right about Colte having zero business  jumping into another marriage, especially with another woman from Brazil, who is wanting a visa.  It's just too insane to imagine, which is why I don't buy it.  Not sure who came up with the idea, but, if it's for real, it's sicker than Debb ever thought of being.  Jess is so fake with her reactions to Vanessa....it's like she's acting in a very downscale acting class.  There's really nothing in this for Colte, except for being on a tv show.  

Larissa has conflict with everyone.  I suspect that will never change. I suspect BPD, in addition to other issues. My concern is that she's going to hurt someone.  I think that TLC underestimates this situation with her.  It's funny, because, I don't think that anyone really wants Larissa deported.....except for herself.  She's the only one who is really working on making it happen. 

Andrei is so despicable that I can't feel an ounce of sympathy towards him, regardless of what Libby's family puts out there.  He can handle himself.  He has no problem being completely unreasonable and a bully with his wife, so, maybe Libby's family wants to give him a little of his own medicine.  Apparently, no one in his own family ever stood up to him.  

Pole will never work or support himself or his family, imo.  When you can't provide proper care for your pets, they should be placed in proper homes.  His love doesn't justify the dogs being neglected.  With no job, no money and no real place to live, you owe it to the dogs, to let them find a real home.  I find Pole disturbing to watch. I wish he would get an evaluation. I can't help but, believe that he has some condition that causes him to behave that way and maybe, he could get some real help on ways to change his life. Handouts don't work. 

Kalani has no reason to have such a shocked look on her face about her husband's immature behavior.  She knew it long ago, when she first met him and she went in full steam like a very foolish lady.  I have no sympathy for her, but, I do the kids. Her expectations of him are very unrealistic. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Andrei is so despicable that I can't feel an ounce of sympathy towards him... no one in his own family ever stood up to him.  

I got the feeling that maybe his family is used to walking on eggshells around volatile Andrei. 

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2 hours ago, Starlight925 said:

She could have disarmed Debbie with one smile and show of warmth.

But that wouldn't play into the drama for the show, would it? I'm still trying to unsee that beach scene. I know other cultures are much less uptight about body image, but there was nothing about that scene that should have been on TV. 

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30 minutes ago, Kid said:

Paul wines for money all the time and he’s lily white and probably the biggest loser of the bunch!!!!

That was not my point. Paul is not a foreign fiancé/spouse. Invariably, the families of the foreign fiancés are portrayed as greedy and grasping. They demand money and gifts. Its not shown in any way that might charitably be described as sensitive to cultural differences. Its shown as loud, unpleasant women demanding computers and big screen TV's and cash. The families are continually whining and demanding. The foreign spouse is shown as lazy, refusing to work, but draining the family coffers to send a steady stream of harvested American dollars back home. (And they're not even dressed in rags or eating out of garbage cans! The nerve!) Its standard Sharp playbook and its getting very, very old.

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I need a new batch of folks in these franchises man. I am sorry, but you absolutely lose me with all this very, very clear fakery. The news that you might have cancer is not something you tell your partner for the first time at a monkey farm. "Hm, I might be facing the ultimate threat, and I need to tell my wife...where should I do that....hmmm....aquarium, no, no....zoo, a little too broad....I got it, monkey farm! I just hope they aren't jerking off while I'm talking. Or maybe they'll just take a break and not fling shit at us. Now, where are my benson and hedges?"

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I can't believe that these relationships are so terrible. So much of what we see is manipulated, edited, and scripted, to create drama where there is not enough. As a viewer, I really resent being played this way. 
Look at all the drama that surrounded Loren and Alexei and David and Annie, and others, when they starred in 90 day, yet on Pillow Talk, there is none of the drama, and they seem to have loving relationships. Even the family Chantel come across as sane! 
Time will tell with this group - I just think the producers try to find a kernel of discord to exploit, and if they can't, then they hand them a story line or create a situation that will push buttons for the more volatile characters.  If these 2 bit actors are willing to sell their souls to be manipulated in this way, then they deserve the pushback they get, IMHO.

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3 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

 

Paul is full of it, felons get jobs, it's probably nothing he really wants to do, but they do get jobs.   

And, and, and, we only have Paul "saying" he has tried to get all of these jobs and as soon as they find out, they tell him no. We have not actually seen him apply for a job during this time. (Except for last night when he , with that bubbling personality and enthusiasm, asked if they were hiring at the pet store.) 

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5 hours ago, doodlebug said:

In real life, Angela would be laughed out of the IVF clinic.  There is no way a responsible reproductive endocrinologist (IVF doctor) is going to put an egg into a 54 year old chainsmoker who is at least 100 lbs overweight.  First, the logistics due to her size would be formidable.  Then, if she somehow managed to get pregnant; her odds against carrying to term without having serious, even life threatening complications for herself and her baby are extremely high.  Any specialist is going to tell her to come back once she's quit smoking and lost 100 lbs or hire a gestational surrogate to carry the baby, in addition to the egg donor.

BTW, egg donor and IVF is out of pocket and starts at around 10 grand and goes up from there.  No private health insurance plans cover IVF in a menopausal woman. A lot of clinics have finance plans, but it could easily cost 40,000.  Now, perhaps they are planning to do this in Nigeria where the cost might be less and perhaps the standards for selecting candidates might be lower; but, still, it is going to cost a bundle and Angela is a poor candidate and is likely to fail.  There are clinics that 'guarantee' a baby and the client owes nothing if they don't get pregnant; they only take women who are excellent candidates and wouldn't even consider a high risk nightmare like Angela.

I also did some knee-slapping laughing when that "doctor" said her lab results, particularly her lipid panel, was "perfect."

As you pointed out, she is morbidly obese and she didn't get that way eating healthy, that's for sure.

I was hoping she'd had pulmonary function tests, too, because I wanted to hear those called "perfect" as well.  😂

I also questioned the "doctor's" delivery of her results.  I've had biopsies done along with blood work, and each time the doctor started with the biopsy results which were of the most concern, then went on to say everything else was fine.  Of course, I was being treated by real doctors and not some TLC paid hack.  

 

 

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6 hours ago, Crumpet said:

Kalani's kids being brats is not surprising, since I think the kids freak out anytime they are with are their parents.

An infant cannot be a "brat".

 

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