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15 hours ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

Or is it that Rinna is an intrinsically evil bitch who manipulates everyone and is at the root of her neglected children’s psychosis?

I get what you're saying but I see no evidence of psychosis. Neuroticism for sure.

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22 minutes ago, OdinO. said:

I get what you're saying but I see no evidence of psychosis. Neuroticism for sure.

The nasty little bitch gave her father the finger when all he wanted to do was  to give her a piece of pie.

That spells psycho to me.

 

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This episode was so boring. Enough already with this. The only entertaining thing was Kyle complaining to Mo about the lights in the pool, he's saying he's been working on it and can't fix it, she asks "who can we call?" and he responds with "Ghostbusters."

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Now that Denise is protecting her kids by keeping them away from these horrible women they have to find another stick to beat her with.

We all know what they are going to use to destroy Denise and her marriage.

I guess the consensus  is that Aaron just has to stand there and take it so as not to upset their delicate sensibilities.

I know I would not be silent when a group of evil misanthropes try to destroy my wife, my life and my marriage.

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16 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

I actually think Kyle is a bad mother.  I remember a couple seasons back when she took her daughters to get their ears pierced.  The youngest, Portia, screamed about the needle which was understandable.  But one of the teenagers had the same exact tantrum, and Kyle acted as if it were completely normal and even crawled onto the daughter’s lap to hug and coddle her.  It was fcking weird.  It’s like Kyle is teaching her daughters that it’s ok to freak out over every little thing, just like she does.  Does she want them to grow up anxiety-ridden and always dependent on her?  (She probably does and that would make her a shitty mother).

Damn even animals in the wild teach their kids how to eventually fend for themselves.

How about when one of those hilton nieces got married and only invited vyle and one daughter to the wedding and she went. There is no way in hell i would have gone if some of my children had been left out. 

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On 7/16/2020 at 8:40 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

I was enjoying the house porn but considering the grand homes we have seen from Camille I was disappointed by the Malibu home, it looked small and disjointed to me.  Her friend Kimber confused me, I thought she was an "assistant," because she was pouring the drinks and did not go outside with Kyle and Camille but then she showed up as Camille's plus one, is she an actual friend or an "assistant/friend?" 

Also, Brandi's friend...that was originally a man, right?  Man or woman, pish, posh, her dress was too short and Brandi looks terrible, way too many straw like extensions in her hair and way too many trips to the surgeon.

When the camera was on Kathy and Kris interacting with each other Kyle made sure she interrupted to say her outfit was from her line...Kim never really paid attention to Kyle and was busy checking out the silent auction items.  Kyle looked so needy.

Lisa Rinna really knows how to suck the air out of the room, what was the point of telling Camille she sucks on Twitter when she was trying to apologize? The same goes for Teddi, why does she need to be nasty to Camille, this woman has nothing to do with her life, let her apologize and move on since that is what you say you do.

Adrienne has not changed a bit, needs an updated hair style but kudos for her and Paul getting along.

 

I never did like Camille's Malibu home.  It seemed really outdated to me and her "closet" was a complete mess.  If I had her money, I would pay my staff extra to keep my closet beautiful.

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I posted links to photos and a video of the new Malibu home in her thread. The new closet does not disappoint.

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The nasty little bitch gave her father the finger when all he wanted to do was  to give her a piece of pie.

That spells psycho to me.

 

Obnoxious, maybe. Psycho, well...no.

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2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Kyle saw Denise and Teddi getting ready to talk and immediately had to jump in.  Heaven forbid Denise and Teddi talk their issues out and move on when Kyle is still mad at Denise.  Kyle used Camille to break up that conversation before anything not Kyle approved was reached.

I agree with this, it seemed like Kyle was pretty intent on making sure that Denise and Teddi didn't talk. But I was also pretty disappointed that they didn't get a chance to because I suspect that at least between the two of them, they could have quashed what was between them because neither of them seem to be hot heads. 

I do think that Camille's perpetual confusion as to why anyone could ever be mad at her is both funny and ridiculous.  With both Teddi and Rinna, she just seemed so surprised that they were openly calling her out on her behavior. 

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On 7/16/2020 at 11:10 AM, Jextella said:

I enjoyed seeing the past housewives!  I really like all of them for various reasons - but perhaps only in guest-level quantities, e.g. at parties and such.

Harsh, but I think Camille and Aaron aren't at the same intellectual level as the rest.  They can't keep up and it makes their exchanges with the others draining, if not a bit sad.

 

You're kidding right? 

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10 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Half way through this episode, I looked at my watch as I thought it must be almost over. No such luck.

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1 hour ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

If you are afraid of your food you are a psycho.

"Psycho" has a definition; this is not it.

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22 hours ago, EmZeeGee said:

Absolutely everyone self-censors according to venue, audience, relevance every time they speak. In my opinion, they're fighting for the right to talk how they wish in front of Denise's daughters not because of some wish to expose hypocrisy, but because they don't value her children because of who their father is, and their own embarrassment at being called out and need for a storyline.

I couldn't agree more strongly with all this!!  We all do this to some extent - does it make us all hypocrites?  Or are we just being appropriate to the social situation?  I cannot, for the life of me, understand what these bitches keep harping on about.  What exactly is the end game here for them?

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We may not like Aaron, or his fear of the 5G network, but I am always glad when the husbands are a part of things. It's a good disruption of the monotonous freight train of the singular topic that these housewives get locked into, and it reveals a lot of the relationships that these WIVEs have with their partners. It makes things interesting. And, when we don't have a Ken anymore losing his shit when his wife gets upset, and when Maurico's participation is reduced down to suggesting they call Ghostbusters and then disappearing for the rest of the time, I'm happy for Aaron's nutbar interventions and PK's intervention with Aaron to prevent future interventions, lol. It's all good, and thank god for some diversity of opinions. He can go ahead and be a sexist mansplainer for all I care, just provide some diversity of thought with that crowd. 

Lisa Vanderpump was good at this. Whether she leaked gossip to the tabloids or not, she knew how to intervene and pivot the conversations — unlike Rinna, who has no idea on how to subtly manipulate anyone or anything. Vanderpump clearly understands when to pivot in the business of reality tv as well. I'm sure she took stock of her Vanderpump Rules assets (they are mostly liabilities) and is pivoting to this. I'm going to guess that her main focus is the Dog place and TomTom. I hope Jax is updating his resume.

2 hours ago, Mar said:

I’m not sure where to post this, but my first thought is how much this must be enraging Lisa Rinna 🤣😂

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10 minutes ago, HeddaGabler said:

We may not like Aaron, or his fear of the 5G network, but I am always glad when the husbands are a part of things. It's a good disruption of the monotonous freight train of the singular topic that these housewives get locked into, and it reveals a lot of the relationships that these WIVEs have with their partners. It makes things interesting. And, when we don't have a Ken anymore losing his shit when his wife gets upset, and when Maurico's participation is reduced down to suggesting they call Ghostbusters and then disappearing for the rest of the time, I'm happy for Aaron's nutbar interventions and PK's intervention with Aaron to prevent future interventions, lol. It's all good, and thank god for some diversity of opinions. He can go ahead and be a sexist mansplainer for all I care, just provide some diversity of thought with that crowd. 

I just think most of them have some nerve not wanting the husbands involved when either their husbands HAVE been involved, they don't have one, or their husbands are laying low because they have stuff to hide. Remember how prominently featured the husbands all were in the earlier seasons? How come it was okay for Mauricio to start a confrontation with Brandi over stuff that had nothing to do with him and his family, but Aaron can't speak up on behalf of his outnumbered wife and behavior that took place in their home regarding their children? 

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I don't like Rinna, but I felt she was saying to Denise, "If you want to protect your kids so much, what are you doing on this show?"

I'm tired of people using the word "bullying" for every time someone says something to you in a loud voice, or in a tone you don't like.   I never thought Aaron was talking down to the women, I don't think they know what bullying is.  It almost seems like the women are saying on one hand, "I'm a strong woman."  But when confronted turn into a delicate flower.

Garcelle is the best part of this show, I like how she stood up for herself at that meeting.  

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1 minute ago, Neurochick said:

I'm tired of people using the word "bullying" for every time someone says something to you in a loud voice, or in a tone you don't like.   I never thought Aaron was talking down to the women, I don't think they know what bullying is.  It almost seems like the women are saying on one hand, "I'm a strong woman."  But when confronted turn into a delicate flower.

Most of these women aren't strong imo. Definitely more delicate flower. They get easily offended, cry at the drop of a hat, and are uncomfortable having a man speak up. Where's the strength? Does a strong woman have a meltdown if a friend uses a bad analogy mentioning her child? Does a strong woman cry and yell over a friend showing up late in glam? Does a strong woman go against her friend of 20 years because it's what all the other cast mates are doing? I think a strong woman keeps it together unless there's true mistreatment going on and would defend the person who's outnumbered, even if other people don't want to hear it. 

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17 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

Garcelle is the best part of this show, I like how she stood up for herself at that meeting.  

What was UP with that prospective director? "I like the script, but I'm thinking a few tweaks. She should suggest they have a threesome. Then get really possessive. Then the man goes crazy and schemes with the other woman to kill her." Say what now? Did she hear Garcelle was filming a show with Denise Richards, and decide to turn the script into a shitty remake of Wild Things?

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7 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

Most of these women aren't strong imo. Definitely more delicate flower. They get easily offended, cry at the drop of a hat, and are uncomfortable having a man speak up. Where's the strength? Does a strong woman have a meltdown if a friend uses a bad analogy mentioning her child? Does a strong woman cry and yell over a friend showing up late in glam? Does a strong woman go against her friend of 20 years because it's what all the other cast mates are doing? I think a strong woman keeps it together unless there's true mistreatment going on and would defend the person who's outnumbered, even if other people don't want to hear it. 

That was my point.  They like to SAY they're strong women, but the second someone speaks to them in a way they can't deal with, they wilt.

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Just now, Neurochick said:

That was my point.  They like to SAY they're strong women, but the second someone speaks to them in a way they can't deal with, they wilt.

Oh yes. I was totally agreeing with you! :) I think too many confuse being rude and obnoxious with tough and strong. 

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Oh and Garcelle, you don't have to "prove" your blackness any more than the many black sports stars who married non-black women.  😁

WTF did Adrienne do with her face?  She's channeling Wildenstein.  She was a nice looking woman before.  BTW, Brandi looks like she went to the same plastic surgeon.  I'm surprised she could cry on that video for all that botox/plastic surgery.

Kim's long hair doesn't do her any favors, it makes her look older.

Paul Nassif's wife is gorgeous!  

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The toughest things I have to do is when I have to keep my mouth shut and not light into someone that is clearly wrong, verbally abrasive  and emotionally volatile.

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3 minutes ago, Door County Cherry said:

Brandi's +1 in this episode was introduced to the audience, via title card, as Mia, by editors.  She should be referred to as a woman and she/her pronouns should be used when referring to her.  Full stop. To do anything else would violate the board's policy on hate speech and insensitive language

If you believe she's the same individual with tattoos whose gender expression in the flashbacks was male, we still ask that you use her current name, Mia, and therefore female pronouns even when discussing her in the past. 

 

 

 

Thanks so much for posting this. 👏 

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13 minutes ago, Door County Cherry said:

Brandi's +1 in this episode was introduced to the audience, via title card, as Mia, by editors.  She should be referred to as a woman and she/her pronouns should be used when referring to her.  Full stop. To do anything else would violate the board's policy on hate speech and insensitive language

If you believe she's the same individual with tattoos whose gender expression in the flashbacks was male, we still ask that you use her current name, Mia, and therefore female pronouns even when discussing her in the past. 

 

 

 

I also appreciate you posting this.

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1 hour ago, Door County Cherry said:

Brandi's +1 in this episode was introduced to the audience, via title card, as Mia, by editors.  She should be referred to as a woman and she/her pronouns should be used when referring to her.  Full stop. To do anything else would violate the board's policy on hate speech and insensitive language

If you believe she's the same individual with tattoos whose gender expression in the flashbacks was male, we still ask that you use her current name, Mia, and therefore female pronouns even when discussing her in the past. 

 

 

 

Good to clear this up. Wondering if Mia was apprehensive about appearing on camera and this is why she was only shown from the back/ obliquely  & was not introduced.

I have a good friend who identifies as female after a long life in the military and other conservative fields. She does not have resources to undergo surgeries or many of the possible therapies available. When people meet her her former male identity is obvious through the wig & dress. I am in awe of the strength  of this person. She has a backstory that would make a film worthy of a Tom Cruise or Liam Neeson. And a childhood Dateline or 20/20 might cover. Yet she says the hardest part of her life is are the people who disrespect her "always-was" identity that she finally is able to express in late middle-age. Like the neighbor who always calls her "him/he" & the behind the hand or back giggles and whispers. Worst of all from people who are thought to be friends/ accepting. Yet she continues to be herself--- a magnificent, heroic, kind & compassionate soul who's endured much tragedy. Her true friends give her as much unconditional support as she allows and hope she's around for a long time.

Blessings to Mia. May she have many supportive people around her. And I hope she had a very good time at the party!

 

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19 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Yeah, that’s true.  I have to give Camille points for being honest too.  She’s still a thin woman, but she used to be like a stick, like Rinna with slightly bigger boobs, and right after she survived the cancer, she was very open that she’s not able to maintain that figure anymore.  I remember she used the words “new normal” about her body, and I thought that was lovely.  Before she was on the show, when she was in her thirties, I used to think she was absolutely gorgeous.  I’d always be like, “how did Frasier get such a hot wife?”  

I sometimes think the cure of getting old that these women resort to is worse than getting old.  I don’t see how wrinkles could look worse than a perma-surprised face and giant balloon lips, but...I’m also not in the Hollywood spotlight getting my appearance critiqued by every media outfit available, so it’s easy for me to say.  

Nothing forgives those giant cuffs on her blouse though!  They were like bell bottoms on arms.  That shirt needs to burn.  

I agree.  Either they look older, or they look "done"; how is "done" better?  Most go overboard.

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On 7/16/2020 at 12:30 PM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Well, like I said, I don't have a problem with Denise setting ground rules in her own house. But I can understand Rinna and the rest of them questioning her argument that they are just too raunchy for her to have around her daughters given what she herself has said on the show (let alone the image she has projected in her career). It does seem slightly hypocritical for her to act like her delicate ears can't handle raunchiness when she's talked about Aaron's penis. And they aren't wrong in saying she's delusional if she thinks her daughters are unaware of what she's said on the show.

Denise never argued that the other women were too raunchy to have around her daughters. Denise asked them to tone down the talk at a specific event that included her children and her children's friends. The women decided that Denise was in the wrong because "I thought we were at Denise Richards' house." And "you are mom shaming us because you didn't bring your children to a Housewives party, after we told you that you shouldn't have your kids around us if you don't want them to hear what we are saying."

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On 7/15/2020 at 10:16 PM, Irritable said:

I thought Old Home Week would be more entertaining than this.  The only part that interested me was seeing who spent thousands on the Coachella VIP Package, since we know it was cancelled, but I didn’t see who got it.

I had the exact same thought about the Coachella Package

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5 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I just don't see how Aaron is "threatening."  Don't get it.

Just by virtue of the fact that he is directly disagreeing with them - just the one man.  Then together, all these tough outspoken woman lose their shit and clutch their pearls.  I actually find the group piling on Denise again and again and again to be much more threatening.  It's such a convenient way to get Denise on her own - pretend that Aaron is so very scary that they feel threatened - actually, it's such Karen behaviour.

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Erika saying Aaron was mansplaining is hilarious and shows the double standard she has.  She can tell PK to.shut the F up, talk down to everyone and be dismissive...but if anyone does it to her, she clutches the pearls. 

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6 hours ago, dmeets said:

What was UP with that prospective director? "I like the script, but I'm thinking a few tweaks. She should suggest they have a threesome. Then get really possessive. Then the man goes crazy and schemes with the other woman to kill her." Say what now? Did she hear Garcelle was filming a show with Denise Richards, and decide to turn the script into a shitty remake of Wild Things?

That sounded like a horrible cliched POS.

I sure hope Garcelle’s original script is better.

She was excellent in “Tell Me A Story.”

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1 hour ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Erika saying Aaron was mansplaining is hilarious and shows the double standard she has.  She can tell PK to.shut the F up, talk down to everyone and be dismissive...but if anyone does it to her, she clutches the pearls. 

Right?! There’s such a dichotomy. She’s all C word necklace, I’m not wearing panties, suck my ahem, I’ll give all your husbands BJ’s, I give no F’s, then shut the F up. All of which she does as Erika Girardi. Then she’s like how dare you think I’m not a lady! I epitomize class. Mrs. Girardi is very different from Erika Jayne. Watch your tone speaking to women. Are you going to hit me? I’m scared because even with all these cast mates and the camera crew recording, you’re a man and you’re calling me out!!! How dare you! I’m just a girl!

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1 hour ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Erika saying Aaron was mansplaining is hilarious and shows the double standard she has.  She can tell PK to.shut the F up, talk down to everyone and be dismissive...but if anyone does it to her, she clutches the pearls. 

And she tells everyone else's husband to shut up, but about her own husband she has actually used the phrase "I'm not allowed . . . " (to talk or behave a certain way) 🙄

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8 hours ago, dmeets said:

What was UP with that prospective director? "I like the script, but I'm thinking a few tweaks. She should suggest they have a threesome. Then get really possessive. Then the man goes crazy and schemes with the other woman to kill her." Say what now? Did she hear Garcelle was filming a show with Denise Richards, and decide to turn the script into a shitty remake of Wild Things?

That was kinda jaw-dropping. It just went on and on and on... I'm curious to know what the actual storyline of Garcelle's project was supposed to be, because it was obvious that whatever convoluted thing that director was pitching had absolutely nothing to do with script. Utterly bizarre.

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10 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

Just by virtue of the fact that he is directly disagreeing with them - just the one man.  Then together, all these tough outspoken woman lose their shit and clutch their pearls.  I actually find the group piling on Denise again and again and again to be much more threatening.  It's such a convenient way to get Denise on her own - pretend that Aaron is so very scary that they feel threatened - actually, it's such Karen behaviour.

Agree. I don't think there is anything wrong with Aaron speaking up to these women. If Denise doesn't want him to do it, then she should tell him to stop, not them. They just don't like being called on their mean girls' gang-up. They claim to be empowered, strong women and then shrink away in horror when a man dares to challenge them. Why? He wasn't looming over them or physically threatening them in any way. If he was condescending it's nothing they haven't heard before from each other. They've actually heard worse than condescension. If you truly want to be treated as an equal, then buck up. If you don't like what he's saying to you or how he's saying, then shut him down. Don't go whining about how he doesn't have the right to talk. 

I think Eileen is beautiful but didn't like her hair color or style. She looks much better blonde with softer hair IMO.

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She’s still a thin woman, but she used to be like a stick, like Rinna with slightly bigger boobs, and right after she survived the cancer, she was very open that she’s not able to maintain that figure anymore.

Camille still looked thin me unless I missed something. Has she gained weight? 

I think she held her own with Lisa. I don't really like Camille but I appreciate anyone who stands up to LR. (Although Camille has a slow way of speaking that makes me wonder if she was on some kind of medication or was drunk.)

By the way, I didn't see Lisa eat a single fry during her meeting with Denise. 

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I'm not really liking Garcelle at this point.  The way she jumped on the "trash Kyle" bandwagon without even being available for anyone to interact with her on a deeper level put me off.  It's one thing to have a problem with someone who has treated you bad, but i could tell by Kyle's reaction when Garcelle made that speech about not considering one of the group her friend that she was taken aback.  And I think if a new housewife can't fit filming with the others into her schedule, she needs to move on and let them hire someone more available.

She seems like a nice person but I'm not sure what she adds to this show as she's frequently in her own scenes or not at group events. When she is around the others, it doesn't feel natural to me but like it's a filming obligation. It's hard to understand why she was cast if she wasn't going to be available to be a full cast member. Perhaps they should've just made her a friend? It seems like Sutton is around more. Why not make her a cast member instead?

Brandi looked bad and all the hair extensions didn't help. Too much fake-looking hair. The cheek implants and/or filler combination was a mistake and ruined her face. Looks like she may have had a (bad) eye job too. Yikes. 

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Erika’s personality is so-so imo. She can be very sweet and a girl’s girl. She can also be very aggressive and harsh. 

It's mostly the latter for me. I've never liked her and this season isn't changing things. I find her cold and off-putting most of the time. I think PK's comments were dead-on. 

I'm having a hard time finding anyone to root for on this show. I can't stand Kyle and Lisa. Not crazy about Erika or Dorit. Denise is the only one I can tolerate but I do think she's not being honest about everything. As another poster said, I do sense her holding back and perhaps trying to revamp her image in a way that rings false. Having said that, I will side with her over this gaggle of witches every time!

 

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Finally watched it ... Most has been covered (clearly they are united in a front to get Denise, probably because they heard she has a bigger salary) thoughts:
 

- Rinna is the absolute worst.  She’s actually a garbage human being.

- Eileen’s top half of her outfit was comically bad.  It barely covered her (aging) boobs.  Not the right choice.

- PK taking to Aaron was pathetic.  I loved how Aaron is like, “Um, not really.  It’s all good” and PK just kept wanting to insert himself.  So dumb.

- Kyle called Brandi a “good person” 😂 They clearly don’t even talk (“oh, you have bangs!”) and she was only brought in to go after Denise.  It’s as plainly orchestrated as the LVP takedown was last season.  

- Loved that Erika basically had to admit her husband talks down to her all the time. 

- Teddi is barely on the show.  Then she gets a sit down with Denise and her own BFF Kyle foists Camille into it for no reason.

- Garcelle is too good for this group.  

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

Denise never argued that the other women were too raunchy to have around her daughters. Denise asked them to tone down the talk at a specific event that included her children and her children's friends. The women decided that Denise was in the wrong because "I thought we were at Denise Richards' house." And "you are mom shaming us because you didn't bring your children to a Housewives party, after we told you that you shouldn't have your kids around us if you don't want them to hear what we are saying."

I mean, yes, by saying that she didn't want to bring her daughters around them, she was sending the message that they are too raunchy to be around her daughters. It was a passive-aggressive message, to be sure, but a message loud and clear. Obviously Sutton was the first one to make the suggestion, but it's obvious that Denise wanted them to know she felt like they were too raunchy to be around her kids. 

I think Denise is playing a role on this show, which is maybe why I haven't warmed up to her.  I also think she is truly devoted to her daughters, I have no doubt about that. Ultimately, it seems to me that the role she is playing on the show and her actual role as a devoted mom are now coming into conflict with each other, and those cracks are showing.  And she should probably choose which she wants more - to be the free-spirited, sex positive Real Housewife or to be the mom who is fiercely protective of her daughters because right now,* she can't have both. 

* She could have both if she really was the free-spirited, sex positive Real Housewife that she's playing on tv. Because if she was that person, she wouldn't be ashamed of presenting that image. But she seems to want to present that image while also not having her daughters see it, and I have to agree with Rinna on the point that that isn't possible. 

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Denise should not bring the children around these women because they are horrible mothers. Especially Rinna and Ericka who are the ones protesting too much.

Ericka abandoned her child to become a stripper and a prostitution whore and Rinna taught her children to be hateful to normal people by calling them fatties, how to have a sick relationship with food so that became  bulimic and so disrespectful to their father that they give their father the finger when he offers them a piece of pie! 

No one should ever bring their children around them.

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On 7/16/2020 at 9:47 PM, eleanorofaquitaine said:

It's not his fight because Denise is an adult and should be able to solve her problems with other adults without Aaron saying word one about it. Sure, she has every right to come to him and to talk through how she should handle it with the other ladies. He has every right to say to her, "tell them I don't like that kind of discussion" or what have you. But Denise is not a child, she should not require A Big, Strong Male Protector to fight her battles for her. That she does - and that he sees that it is appropriate to fight with a bunch of women about them being mean to her - really makes me doubt her as an adult. It's infantilizing. 

There's a reason why most of the men on these shows try to stay out of the arguments - because they know that it makes them and their wives look bad. (FWIW, I had the same criticism of Ken Vanderpump, too. Stop acting as if your wife isn't a fully-grown adult who can fight her own battles, Ken). 

I don’t think he is sticking up for Denise. I think he is sticking up for Eloise. How is it women’s business, when he was there when the event occurred at his house and then hears that his wife has had several discussions about it since and feels annoyed that they won’t let it go because she doesn’t have anything left to say and he is there at the next event and the discussion occurs in front of him and with him about rules of behavior around HIS children? If it was any other topic, I would agree to not insert himself— but he is not inserting— he has been there present at the table of both events asking them to quiet down because the girls were nearby and then having the ladies confront them again at a table about how that message to quiet down was confusing to them. He was present both times on the discussion of how the women are offended to quiet down sex talk in front of his kids and their friends. If any man is entitled to have a response on any topic, this is within the bounds of absolutely acceptable for him to reply to the ladies “I think it is weird statement.” I agree that PK should have kept his nose out of panty-gate, he wasn’t even there and didn’t know how it was said and was just sticking up for Dorit’s character and it was stupid and unnecessary and inappropriate; however, Aaron was THERE in both instance and involved as much as anyone else and it is his children! If other people are not allowed to speak, why invite them to the party? Should we only have same gender parties with separate entrances and no co-mingling? Why bother to socialize together if you can’t speak? Why when a man is speaking, he is saving his wife? Maybe he has an opinion? Given, I don’t think Aaron was helpful to the situation or saved Denise in any way, I also don’t think she was looking for him to save her. She might have been looking for anyone to have her back... Rinna, Garcelle, Aaron, Dorit... anyone... but I don’t think she needed saving from a man. That was a group discussion. Erika acting like it is so inappropriate for men to dare to speak to her is ridiculous to me and has to do with strange rules in her own marriage. Yes, he spoke forcefully because he feels strongly. His language was not aggressive or threatening in any manner. Erika has acted far more aggressive and cold for much less when asked how she is doing and shoved her mug away and gets super confrontational. Instead, Denise and Aaron were signaling that they felt attacked and the women don’t like that and how that is making them look so they are acting as if Denise and Aaron are being hysterical and histrionic and Aaron is a bully. Why? Because he is a man and he asked why this is important and is still being discussed when they already said they wanted it dropped? I don’t think he made much sense at all about being ok with yourself. I get what he was going for, yet he missed it and left everyone in a more awkward place which resulted in agitating everyone more, yet I don’t feel he was horribly out of line in how he treats women. I mean what did he do? This is his family! Telling him to stay out of it and Teddy to keep arguing about it is absurd to me. His kids, his house, his rules and his right to re-state them and decide to then leave when Denise wanted to leave. I don’t think he handled it well, however, I don’t think he was wrong to speak about why they didn’t bring their children and why they would prefer to move on from the topic. Why should he sit silenced on this? He lacked the verbal finesse to be truly helpful, but he tried to help toward his partner’s goal of the group moving past this.


Lastly, I think the other men do not appear on the show because it is a liability to their careers to be seen on reality TV where women argue and they feel their wives project/job is beneath them, they have things to hide that they feel can’t be discussed if they are not a presence on the show and they are not actively involved in their marriage. I think Rinna and Erika are overcompensating in saying their husbands are too smart to be near these women. Then don’t act badly that your spouse won’t associate with you! Tom, David Foster, Harry Hamlin think they are above this show and were checked out of their marriage which is why they didn’t show up after giving it some attempts and realizing how the women behave. Not sure if the lawsuits are keeping Mauricio and PK away or PK realized the other men weren’t around too much now that Ken is gone and he just makes himself look badly. Ken often showed up as do Edwin and Sutton’s boyfriend and Aaron when they are invited as couples and it is not just a girls event. Mauricio was often around until recently and he was supposed to be there that day for the family party and ditched family day for a football game. I don’t think Denise is bringing Aaron for protection. She brings him because she wants to spend her free time with him and other couples. She genuinely works six days a week on a soap and shooting TV and other movies and they have a special needs child at home. Traveling to Beverly Hills/LA is at least 1-1.5 hours in the car and I think they do try to use it as a night to spend time together. To pathologize it that she needs protection is strange to me. He was invited to come and sit at the table. Not his problem that Harry and Tom have no interest in attending social engagements with their wives and they always show up alone. Rumor has it that Tom has someone else younger and Erika often stays at her Bungalow and that Harry and Rinna don’t even live together. Their attempt to control the narrative that their husbands are too cool to attend a party thrown by their co-worker is pathetic and transparent. If he cared to support your career, maybe he would at least show his face and act like you matter after the decades you both supported him and his work engagements. To try to take down Denise’s marriage because they are solid and she was honest about loving their exciting sex life when dishing on a girls trip is disgusting to me. To me, Denise being sex positive and adventurous and also asking to keep voices down for one night at a family oriented ice cream pizza party with kids is not a huge contradiction in who she portrays herself to be. She never said she was offended by the sex talk. She was offended that they couldn’t respect her request to tone it down and she wasn’t even offended at that until the 4th conversation and 2nd hour of it in Santa Barbara when she finally realized that Rinna was asking about filming threesomes (which she answered openly and honestly) and about Charlie’s hookers and she started to realize what was happening and that she was being grilled to look like she was a contradiction and she got annoyed and said enough talk about my kids. It wasn’t a huge deal, I didn’t want them to overhear, I don’t want to talk about it anymore, I’m done. It is the ladies who were not done and will not ever be done because they do not have the ego strength to say “I get it. Wrong timing. I’m sorry. We will keep it down and save juicy stories for girls’ nights.” She is offended that they are taking something as normal and benign as saying, “hee, ladies.. keep it down with the sexy stuff tonight. Kiddos right there!” and turning it in to that she was mom-shaming them because that is NOT what actually happened! 

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6 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Agree. I don't think there is anything wrong with Aaron speaking up to these women. If Denise doesn't want him to do it, then she should tell him to stop, not them. They just don't like being called on their mean girls' gang-up. 

Booya. They have chosen a dynamic and refuse to be deterred from it. Anything Aaron says that isn't "Thank you, Ma'am, may I have another" plays into their hands. When Denise faces them alone they endlessly tag-team her in a circular conversation and when Aaron steps up they clutch their pearls or seethe, or both. The smell of blood excites them. They don't have the slightest interest in resolving anything, it's only about scoring points and grinding the opposition into the ground. They aren't playing roles to create and sustain drama, this is truly who they are and this is what interests them. 

They are shallow and insufferable, and reptilian.  

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4 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I think Denise is playing a role on this show, which is maybe why I haven't warmed up to her.

Kyle is playing the role of " Perfect Housewife, Mother and Friend" representing her "Town of Beverly Hills", what all "housewives" in BH should aspire to. Who wouldn't want what she has, she wants us to believe. Don't anyone even hint that she may have flaws in any of those roles. It's all good though, whenever she is attacked on Social Media, she always has adorable videos of her dogs to post. 

Teddi is playing the "Accountability Housewife". She is just being "real".  It's just so challenging for her to find the balance between being real and being relevant. It's all so confusing. She cannot figure out the rules to this game. It's painful to watch her struggle. Bravo needs to just dismiss her and put her (and the viewers) out of her misery.

Dorit is playing Fabulous Worldly, Wealthy Housewife. She practices her fascinating accents in front of a mirror. Don't even try to serve her wine in a champagne glass. (Also, don't give her a puppy)

Erika Jayne plays the sexy, very expensive, no fucks given non-housewife, until wife of Tom, Erika Girardi (rarely) appears on our screens. Erika Girardi relies on Tom to finance Erika Jayne. It's a complex dual role. Supporting role played by Mikey Minden.

Rinna plays Rinna playing Rinna. She sees herself as the comic relief that we need to sustain us through the darkness of RHOBH. Thank God for her thigh slapping guffaws while glancing off to the side at some unknown entity, perhaps herself in a mirror. Also we should be thanking her for "Owning It!" We just don't quite know what "IT" is.

 "I see her as a character because it's not all of who I am. I'm watching Lisa on the Real Housewives—or Rinna, as I like to call her," the proud mom shared. "She's funny. I get a kick out of her actually. When I watch her, I'm like, ‘God, she's the comic relief.'"

Rinna is the worst. Fuck off, Rinna. Wrap yourself in a duster and fuck off.

 

 

 

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On 7/16/2020 at 6:40 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

Adrienne has not changed a bit,

That looked like a new face.  There were a lot of new faces.  Hopefully few open flames.

Rinna needs to stop wearing the shake and go wigs.  They’re terrible!  She needs someone to style them or to talk to Garcelle’s source.

I don’t know why Teddi is on the show.  She’s bad at walking in heels and drama.

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2 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Kyle is playing the role of " Perfect Housewife, Mother and Friend" representing her "Town of Beverly Hills", what all "housewives" in BH should aspire to. Who wouldn't want what she has, she wants us to believe. Don't anyone even hint that she may have flaws in any of those roles. It's all good though, whenever she is attacked on Social Media, she always has adorable videos of her dogs to post. 

Teddi is playing the "Accountability Housewife". She is just being "real".  It's just so challenging for her to find the balance between being real and being relevant. It's all so confusing. She cannot figure out the rules to this game. It's painful to watch her struggle. Bravo needs to just dismiss her and put her (and the viewers) out of her misery.

Dorit is playing Fabulous Worldly, Wealthy Housewife. She practices her fascinating accents in front of a mirror. Don't even try to serve her wine in a champagne glass. (Also, don't give her a puppy)

Erika Jayne plays the sexy, very expensive, no fucks given non-housewife, until wife of Tom, Erika Girardi (rarely) appears on our screens. Erika Girardi relies on Tom to finance Erika Jayne. It's a complex dual role. Supporting role played by Mikey Minden.

Rinna plays Rinna playing Rinna. She sees herself as the comic relief that we need to sustain us through the darkness of RHOBH. Thank God for her thigh slapping guffaws while glancing off to the side at some unknown entity, perhaps herself in a mirror. Also we should be thanking her for "Owning It!" We just don't quite know what "IT" is.

 "I see her as a character because it's not all of who I am. I'm watching Lisa on the Real Housewives—or Rinna, as I like to call her," the proud mom shared. "She's funny. I get a kick out of her actually. When I watch her, I'm like, ‘God, she's the comic relief.'"

Rinna is the worst. Fuck off, Rinna. Wrap yourself in a duster and fuck off.

 

But I wasn't talking about them? I mean, this may all be true... and yet the what-aboutism still doesn't mean that Denise isn't playing a role herself.  

I mean, I hate even engaging with the argument because I wasn't talking about the other women and all it does is serve to distract from what I was saying about Denise. But if we are going to engage on that - I think that at least for Erika and Rinna, they are pretty upfront about playing roles on the show. So like them or not (I am fairly indifferent to both of them), I don't think that they are trying to hide anything. Personally, I don't see Teddi playing any kind of role at all - I think again, like her or hate her, her persona on the show is pretty much who she is. I do think that the strongest argument is for Kyle and Dorit presenting some kind of a false image of who they are.

But even if that is all true - that still doesn't mean we're seeing an authentic version of Denise. At this point, the only thing I think I can trust about the persona that Denise is presenting is that she's a devoted mother - and that's mostly because of the actions she took before she came on the show. But everything else about her feels pretty inauthentic, to me. Your mileage may vary, etc. 

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On 7/16/2020 at 12:15 AM, Rahul said:

Mia, the blonde, buxom guest Brandi brought along was a man! Well, formerly a man...I am pretty sure he was the dude sporting the flat cap, five o'clock shadow and arm tattoo in the very last flashback scene featuring Brandi from this very same episode. Did anyone else catch that?

I thought so!!!  The whole thing was very distracting.  Mia and Brandi, both!!  Brandi was absolutely scary looking - why is she back anyway?  She is actually frightening.  

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