S18.E20: John Bolton, Kara Swisher, Wes Moore, and James Carville

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Airs June 26, 2020

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John Bolton, Kara Swisher, Wes Moore, and James Carville

 

[Medicine Crow]

Where Carville goes, I follow!!!

[3 is enough]

Oh, Bill.  DOUG Ford is the premier (not governor) of Ontario.  His brother, Rob, was the infamous crack smoking mayor of Toronto, but he died in 2016.  Interestingly, Doug Ford has received a lot of comparisons to Donald Trump by the citizens of Ontario.  However, since the start of the pandemic, he has put aside any differences he has with Justin Trudeau and they have worked very well together to flatten the curve.  What a concept!

Bill made a bunch of stupid errors tonight.  Gotta wonder if he partook of his favourite herb before filming.

[bobbyjoe]

Okay, seeing Kara Swisher effortlessly bat aside Bill’s attempt to pretend Bari Weiss made some good faith argument (she didn’t) about the NYT/Tom Cotton thing was seriously satisfying. Swisher just shut that down and kept on going.  If Bill brought Kara Swisher on half as much as he brings on Bari Weiss (it felt like Weiss was there every other week before the pandemic) the show would be a whole lot better.

[Victor the Crab]

So the faux liberal, who casually blurts out the N-word three years ago, and who feels he's entitled to throw around stereotype labels at every group because he believes he's earned it, is going to blacksplain to white liberals about protesting for BLM? Can Bill just fucking stop with his unwoked lecturing to liberals practically every week? At least they're out having African Americans backs during the protests. What has Bill done to help, besides opening his self privileged ignorant mouth and making people hate him?

I'd be satisfied if Bill's four week break is extended indefinitely.

[arachne]

13 minutes ago, Victor the Crab said:

I'd be satisfied if Bill's four week break is extended indefinitely.

For the first time ever, I'm inclined to agree with that. But we've got this election and all coming, so I'm not expecting it to happen.

I was sorry to see James Carville's connection cut out; I could have used a little more of his, uh, wisdom. Sure, he sounds like a wacky old coot these days, but hey -- he's my wacky old coot! 😄

[heatherchandler]

12 hours ago, bobbyjoe said:

Okay, seeing Kara Swisher effortlessly bat aside Bill’s attempt to pretend Bari Weiss made some good faith argument (she didn’t) about the NYT/Tom Cotton thing was seriously satisfying. Swisher just shut that down and kept on going. 

I didn’t see her shut it down, she even admitted she wasn’t in the meetings, so she’s just making statements with no basis.  And when Bill said, “ok” at the end of it, I think he was realizing that he would get nowhere with her.  It’s not crazy to believe the very far left, young journalists operate differently than the older journalists.  

And she was stuttering and rambling, not making sense when talking about Tom Cotton.  She thinks if someone is writing an op ed, we need to know everything about that person?  We need to know what that person writes on twitter?  That’s ridiculous. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills.

[Hooper]

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Gosh, for once Bill didn't make a peep about his crusade to "open the economy/dead people be damned/RIGHT NOW" did he, unless I missed it.

I didn't hear him demand that the economy open now, but I was amused when he praised Europe for having dealt with Covid-19 much better than the US has.   Hmmm.  So, uhm, Bill, to what exactly do you attribute Europe's superior results in battling the virus?  Don't be shy, Bill.   Tell us exactly what it is that you think Europe did differently than us.

[BrownBear2012]

11 hours ago, Victor the Crab said:

So the faux liberal, who casually blurts out the N-word three years ago, and who feels he's entitled to throw around stereotype labels at every group because he believes he's earned it, is going to blacksplain to white liberals about protesting for BLM? Can Bill just fucking stop with his unwoked lecturing to liberals practically every week? At least they're out having African Americans backs during the protests. What has Bill done to help, besides opening his self privileged ignorant mouth and making people hate him?

I'd be satisfied if Bill's four week break is extended indefinitely.

I only watched his new rules segment and wish I hadn't...there's something so smarmy and snarky about his disdain for liberals, the same people he used to have on his show all the time...what has happened to Bill? He has never been a part of movement or even once taken to the streets to protest anything as far as I know. He just sits in his Hollywood mansion and complains. It was almost surreal...the guy that sarcastically used the N word a few years ago and got blasted by black activists, athletes, entertainers and musicians, etc. is now an expert on Black Lives Matter? I couldn't agree with you more about Bill and I also concur that it might be a good idea to end his old tired show...permanently.

[TVbitch]

Bill's New Rule ate itself. Is he trying to support Black Lives Matter by criticizing how white people are too critical of how other white people are trying to support Black Lives Matter? 

 

[ahpny]

On 6/27/2020 at 2:41 AM, bobbyjoe said:

Okay, seeing Kara Swisher effortlessly bat aside Bill’s attempt to pretend Bari Weiss made some good faith argument (she didn’t) about the NYT/Tom Cotton thing was seriously satisfying. Swisher just shut that down and kept on going.

This was the highlight for me. She didn't dismiss facts she didn't know, only the premise, which she found inconsistent with her personal experience. Bill's frustration was apparent and he didn't seem to know what to do with her. But she disagreed with respect, and she never accused Bari Weiss of making a "bad faith" argument, only one that was not consistent with what Kara knew or how newspaper editorial boards work in general.  No, she knew of no "snow flake" youngsters who can't bear to hear an opposing position agitating in generational unity about this issue. And why is it wrong for a newspaper editorial board to exercise editorial judgment? Maybe they got it wrong, but people in the business of making judgment calls can't be expected maintain a perfect record.

While certain extreme views may fall so near either end of a worthy-to-print spectrum that they're easy to green light or bury, there's no bright line clearly separating a fair-minded opposing view worthy of airing to likely disagreeing readers from and an odious view worthy of no consideration and to be shunned at all costs. The world is grey and complicated, and doesn't always fit into neat little boxes, especially those envisioned to hold dubiously assigned group-think of particular generations. 

[Gothish520]

On 6/27/2020 at 4:39 PM, Hooper said:

I didn't hear him demand that the economy open now, but I was amused when he praised Europe for having dealt with Covid-19 much better than the US has.   Hmmm.  So, uhm, Bill, to what exactly do you attribute Europe's superior results in battling the virus?  Don't be shy, Bill.   Tell us exactly what it is that you think Europe did differently than us.

Is he really that clueless? Maybe he's just messing with us when he goes on those "open the economy now" rants? He has seriously sounded more like Trump than he can possibly be comfortable with when it comes to the virus, and yet still takes the opportunity to seemingly agree with those that criticize the US response. Talk about playing both sides of the fence. 

Overall a good show though. I loved both Carville's enthusiasm and Moore's cautions about being too optimistic. He is completely right that five months is a long time and anything can happen. 

[ADRz]

On 6/30/2020 at 11:22 AM, Gothish520 said:

Is he really that clueless? Maybe he's just messing with us when he goes on those "open the economy now" rants? He has seriously sounded more like Trump than he can possibly be comfortable with when it comes to the virus, and yet still takes the opportunity to seemingly agree with those that criticize the US response. Talk about playing both sides of the fence. 

Overall a good show though. I loved both Carville's enthusiasm and Moore's cautions about being too optimistic. He is completely right that five months is a long time and anything can happen. 

Bill has openly asked people not to comply with the sequester.  Considering the harm done by such statements, I think that HBO should fire him immediately.  He has repeatedly asked the youth to go out and get infected and now many of them are arriving at hospitals gasping for breath and many have died.  I cannot believe that this kind of irresponsibility is not punishable by HBO.  One cannot undermine public health and have a prominent show.  It is one thing to preach for marijuana use on this program and totally another to incite young people to be infected with Covid-19 and possibly die.  I have hardly seen that level of irresponsibility by anybody in a prominent media position

[heatherchandler]

10 hours ago, ADRz said:

Bill has openly asked people not to comply with the sequester.  Considering the harm done by such statements, I think that HBO should fire him immediately.  He has repeatedly asked the youth to go out and get infected and now many of them are arriving at hospitals gasping for breath and many have died.  I cannot believe that this kind of irresponsibility is not punishable by HBO.  One cannot undermine public health and have a prominent show.  It is one thing to preach for marijuana use on this program and totally another to incite young people to be infected with Covid-19 and possibly die.  I have hardly seen that level of irresponsibility by anybody in a prominent media position

I have a feeling the young people who are sick now did not go out to a party or bar because Bill Maher suggested it.  

I have a co-worker who is 23 and he has been travelling, going to parties, etc. every weekend - young people think they are invincible, it has always been this way.  

[ADRz]

2 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I have a feeling the young people who are sick now did not go out to a party or bar because Bill Maher suggested it.  

I have a co-worker who is 23 and he has been travelling, going to parties, etc. every weekend - young people think they are invincible, it has always been this way.  

But we know that they are not.  Young people are dying from this disease, no matter what they think,  Even those who survive may have severe health deficits such as scarred lungs and DVT sequelae.

[BrownBear2012]

13 hours ago, ADRz said:

Bill has openly asked people not to comply with the sequester.  Considering the harm done by such statements, I think that HBO should fire him immediately.  He has repeatedly asked the youth to go out and get infected and now many of them are arriving at hospitals gasping for breath and many have died.  I cannot believe that this kind of irresponsibility is not punishable by HBO.  One cannot undermine public health and have a prominent show.  It is one thing to preach for marijuana use on this program and totally another to incite young people to be infected with Covid-19 and possibly die.  I have hardly seen that level of irresponsibility by anybody in a prominent media position

I don't watch the show anymore but I heard he was pushing young people to go out to bars, restaurants, etc...and "boost the economy"...I was shocked. How ignorant and reckless. Are you happy now Bill? All the Millennials and Gen Zers that you despise so much are sick and spreading the virus to others. I agree that his show should be pulled. He should go over to Fox and get a deal there...that's where he belongs now.

[heatherchandler]

3 hours ago, ADRz said:

But we know that they are not.  Young people are dying from this disease, no matter what they think,  Even those who survive may have severe health deficits such as scarred lungs and DVT sequelae.

They do get sick, but not dying.  Not that getting sick isn’t horrible!  And we don’t even know all of the long term health problems.  But according to the CDC, very very few young people have died.  Maybe that’s why they are not worried about getting it.

I agree Bill shouldn’t have told people to go out and get sick, but the young people are doing it without him telling them to.

[Victor the Crab]

18 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

They do get sick, but not dying.  Not that getting sick isn’t horrible!  And we don’t even know all of the long term health problems.  But according to the CDC, very very few young people have died.  Maybe that’s why they are not worried about getting it.

I agree Bill shouldn’t have told people to go out and get sick, but the young people are doing it without him telling them to.

It doesn't matter if they listened to him or not. Bill's suggestion is extremely reckless and irresponsible. HBO seriously needs to deal with him over that.