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I spent about 10 years wrapped up in a world that consisted partially of academics. I promise you that Richard would have found her current behavior humiliating to have associated with him.

She's unhinged and crass. 

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6 hours ago, Mar said:

Her behavior is horrifying, disgusting, juvenile, and unwatchable. Time to get her off the show

Or at least off the “thinking heads”.   She’s not funny.  Put Tinsley on.  That will get them all in one shot.

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2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I loved Ramona's old apartment too! I honestly think she did a better job decorating a place with a homey, sunny vibe versus the more modern look take.

Remember Jill's apartment renovation that was so tacky?  Bethenny's reaction to it was so funny!

 

Bethenny was correct - the reno was horrible!!  Didn't Brad, Jill's "gay husband" (as she referred to him) do the reno and redecorating?  

I'm thinking that was why we didn't really see too much of Brad after that!!  

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6 hours ago, Silver Bells said:

There’s no comparison to death and divorce, but when Ramona divorced Mario, I did not remember her crying the blues every minute for years.  That was a big blow, and she handled it pretty good for a marriage of twenty years.  Then again, she doesn’t seem to be a whiner.  She doesn’t look for sympathy.

Yep. It only came out in highly emotional moments, like when Beth was torn over going to Luann with “it’s about Tom.” And Carole never used Anthony’s death as an excuse. 

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On 5/14/2020 at 9:48 PM, Chicklet said:

I'm kinda hoping the Children of the Corn find them and take them all away.

Lol! I was about to say "Jeepers Creepers" that scary movie with the trenchncoat looking thing. 

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35 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I spent about 10 years wrapped up in a world that consisted partially of academics. I promise you that Richard would have found her current behavior humiliating to have associated with him.

She's unhinged and crass. 

The really sad thing about Dorinda is she really thinks the crass things she says are funny.  She’ll hit a person below the belt, then laugh hysterically.  In her mind, she’s a very clever comedian.

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I loved Ramona’s TH on Dorinda and Tinsley’s “friendship”,so true. But it looks like next week Dorinda goes after Ramona. Dorinda goes off on everyone lol. I liked Leah’s apartment!! It seemed bright and spacious to me🤷🏽‍♀️. That’s good that Dorinda and John broke up,I sometimes wonder if he had someone else on the side to deal with Dorinda’s crap lol. Elyse is like the new Barbara lol. Has any of the girls mentioned her? Lol
 

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Lordy, I watched the episode this morning and then read through all of the comments, liking most of them.  I don't have any analysis and only want to register that I too hate Dorinda.  HATE.  

Seriously, she has had many years to review her behavior and yet she doesn't change.  She really needs to see a therapist to get over her grief issues.  Until then, she is unlikable and I accommodate her by not liking her.

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7 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Extremely good point.  It's kind of sad, because unfortunately I think she's very good at stifling her emotions and disassociating, after being raised in an abusive household.  I'm not judging her for it.  I think she's done a great, great job dealing with the divorce on the show, especially with the added humiliation of it all playing it out so publicly and on television.  AND so recently.  Much more recently than Richard dying.

That's why when she's drinking (in a just having fun sense, not a getting arrested sense, or peeing in public sense, or being abusive sense like the others), having fun, dancing, drinking slutty, hitting on men, I'm happy for her and I don't make fun of her for it or begrudge her for it one bit.  She's making the most of things and having fun.  I don't care what her age is, she should continue having fun and living her life the way she wants.

Funnily enough, drinking never seems to make Ramona abusive.  I think Ramona's been at her worst when sober.  She likes her wine and she's happy drinking it.  And Bethenny used to always say Ramona can drink all day and hold her liquor and the other women cannot catch up.  Which tends to explain Sonja falling down and having near death experiences in Miami or jumping naked into pools while Ramona is somehow completely calm and ready to go out dancing.  AND why I didn't even care when Ramona left her OWN Hamptons mansion to go party and left all the drunks behind.  LOL

Ramoner had to get her dig in at Tinsley about her heels...glad to see Tinsley pointed out that Ramona's heels were a little bit higher although Ramoner denied she was wearing heels even when the camera was locked into her shoes. Remember "Turtle Time" when Ramoner would be drunk as skunk on her Pinot Grigio, barely able to stand up...OH! and remember when she was drunk at the lake and threw her glass at Kristen and cut her face??? How quickly we forget.

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10 hours ago, Lizzing said:

I need "The Soup" to cue the music for Unlikely Voice of Reason because that title would go to one Ramona Singer.  There is a plethora of reasons I should hate her, but I can't.  She was like Sonja on Scary Island level of sane this episode.

As for Sonja, I think she was drunk, but I still think she likes to portray the wacky drunk person, so I'm not sure some of her performance wasn't amped up to that end.  The whole "peeing in the cornfield" thing didn't bother me a bit.  We've seen this for ages: Bethenny did it on her wedding day in an ice bucket, and she did it on the way to AC; a few Dallas women did it last season in Mexico; there were some OC women who pissed on the Whistler mountains.  I'm sure I'm leaving some out.  I'm not gonna get pissed at these ladies needing to piss, or I'd have checked out many, many seasons ago.

Leah's apartment reminded me a lot of my sister's first NYC abode, but that was Columbia student housing.  Luann wasn't wrong (even though she hasn't had a place in the city in years).  And that clear lucite "coffee table" was beyond sad, even for student housing.  But we can't expect much from Leah, as she's got a *brand* that has fewer options than the Rinna children's does.

Tinsley needs to hang with Martin more.  Even if he calls her Tinsdale...because that's fuckin' appropriate, with Dale being her mother and warden. 

Really don't care if Lu drinks or not.

And that brings me to Dorinda.  Lots of people upthread have wondered what she'd do if she encountered some of the prolific "argue on their feet" ladies of Atlanta or Potomic.  I'll tell you what she'd do: she'd ask them to hang up her coat.  She has been a POS since her first season, when she relayed two stories of her mistaking POC for service workers or beggars and when she berated John in an Italian restaurant (she was wearing her first season trademark red plaid skirt) for being too familiar.  That shit ain't grief.  That's who she is.  And if she really was Susan Sharon, she's been that way since she was married to Lynch.  Furthermore, she's on the backside of the curve, at 55, to be blaming anything on menopause.  She's using her grief, maybe in part for Richard, but mostly for her dead life style (therwise, she wouldn't have shot at Nello, an overpriced shithole) for her reaction.  And that's not to take away from any viewer's reaction to her grief...I get that sympathetic vibe...but I find Dorinda so manipulative about her loss that I can't get sad for her any more.  And if Tinsley is as memorable as a dissolvable mint in her mouth, why get so torqued up about her?  Just ignore.

However, and maybe this post will seem like evidence to the contrary, I still want to know where these ladies go, what they do, and how they fightt.  It's far better that BH...there I don't really care.  They are all shtty actors, and that's it.  With these women, I only suspect about 15-20% acting.  BH is about 85-90%  

 

 

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On 5/14/2020 at 9:30 PM, Silver Bells said:

Why were they babying Drunken Dorinda?  She didn’t have it any worse than some people. The Richard saga has worn thin.  I’m sick of hearing about it.  

I was wondering the same thing.  It's like they're afraid to offend her.  Maybe they remember the show a few seasons back where she told one of the girls she had a private report done on someone by a guy in the government ("no he's not FBI, giggle, no he's not CIA, giggle..."Just say MAFIA, Dorinda.)  If they make her mad maybe they're afraid she'll call up darling Richard's connection to get information 'this high' on them! I remember while watching her smile and evil serious eyes as she said all this-- and I thought I sure would NEVER want to get on her bad side! Now she's like a loose cannon.  

And this is probably me just being mean... but I've wondered a few times how much she would have mourned the loss of a middle income Richard? One who couldn't buy her Blue Stone manors or rub elbows with people like the Clintons? Does she miss the man Richard or the life he gave her? She sure does a lot of associating the two in her 'losing Richard' stories. (of which I'm sick of hearing about,too!) 

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13 minutes ago, stcroix said:

Well the show I watched Dorinda wasn't 'playing' a bully-- she WAS a bully. A horrible bully not letting anyone but herself get a word in edgewise with her loud foghorn voice.  So infuriating.  And since when is being the victim of someone's vicious bullying 'playing the sweet and innocent victim'? Tinsley IS the victim-- we saw it on screen.  

I am starting to hate this show...  my very favorite of them all. 😞 

Dorinda is a mean drunk...we've seen her act the same with John, LuAnn and Bethenny. Not a Bethenny fan but when she called Dorinda a drunk to her face in Puerto Rico, I was applauding her for doing so. Dorinda has some serious problems and needs to get into therapy or take some hormones!

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Damn, I hate Dorinda! She's such an ugly, drunken, hateful, jealous, witch- looking bitch. 

I strongly dislike people like her who like to diminish and downplay other people's woes. Only Queen Dorinda can feel any sadness. Only she can be mean and cry and be hateful. God forbid anyone who even tries to tells a hint of a sad story, she will tear you down and belittle you because, in her mind, it's not on the same level as losing her husband. 

 

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Last comment I make about Dorinda tonight-- dang she riled me up this week even worse than last week--- is I despise how after she digs her claws into someone shouting over them and giving her opinion we see her being all nice to someone like she did to Ramona and telling Ramona, "I'm not a bad person, I'd never want anyone to think ill of me, I'm a NICE person, you know me Ramona", etc.  Bleeach!  She is a bad person and has probably treated people this same way throughout the years before and after Richard.  That's all.

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13 hours ago, TexasGal said:

I liked Dorinda when she joined and I am really struggling now to remember why. 

Same here.

Dorinda’s been holding on to not dealing with Richard’s death when he’s been gone longer than the two of them were together. I am not one to judge when reality and grief hits you but the one honest moment I thought Dorinda had in this episode was that she said hadn’t had a chance to mourn Richard’s death.
In her head that is probably reality however - 9 years later, she wasn’t struggling with being a single parent trying to raise kids and being caught up in an exhausting daily life and didn’t have to worry about money. Then excused her bullying of Tinsley by saying she was dealing with Richard’s death, when she was just downright awful.

1. To me, she only really started to deal with the reality of Richard being gone when finances became tight for her. I would never discount her love of Richard(which I thing was very real) but I do think the loss of the“trappings” Richard brought with him were also gone which finally forced her to deal with the fact that both a Richard and the financial security he brought would never reappear again.

2. If you hadn’t started to mourn/accept/grieve until 9 years after your partner’s death ... well that is a long, long period of denial and that suggests that maybe you needed professional help years ago (mental health is vitally important).

2. The death of your significant other/soul mate has to be the worst thing ever. By brother, who had just turned 59 past away unexpectedly last September. My wonderful sister-in-law suffered a horrible loss, they were high school sweethearts and would have been celebrating  their 40th wedding anniversary this summer. Right before Christmas she was diagnosed with stage 3 gallbladder cancer (2 months after the loss of her soul mate). Loss of tragedy and sadness and life changes of them and their children but my sister in law is still a wonderful human being and a good person to all those around her...

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2 hours ago, chewycandy said:

Yep. It only came out in highly emotional moments, like when Beth was torn over going to Luann with “it’s about Tom.” And Carole never used Anthony’s death as an excuse. 

I shouldn't make light of that horrible moment, but Ramona screaming "AUUUUUUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" in the hotel room after Bethenny reveals the Tom thing to Ramona and Carole is so good, LOL.  I just rewatched it.

6 hours ago, Mar said:

Dorinda’s Twitter response to someone last night:

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Isn't it incredible?  In Jules' only season, and Dorinda's first, Season 7, Dorinda felt protective towards Jules because Carole and Bethenny were so awful to her.  Dorinda rightly called them out for being Mean Girls and defended Jules and never talked shit about her to her or behind her back.  Now, what is Dorinda?

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1 hour ago, BrownBear2012 said:

Remember "Turtle Time" when Ramoner would be drunk as skunk on her Pinot Grigio, barely able to stand up...

I just watched that season, and Ramona stood up fine.  She swirled her hips and her glass and said "Turtle Time" and she was definitely standing.  Ramona was not falling down drunk at that party.  Ramona, Alex, and Bethenny danced the entire night away, Bethenny preggers and all.

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I will give Dorinda the same respect and understanding she has shown Tinsley.

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10 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I'm not saying it isn't sad to lose the love of your life and that you can't mourn years later.  But what I'm saying is if 9 years after his death, your happiness is wrapped into a memory and your reactions are excused b/c of grief, you need a lot of professional help b/c there's more under the surface.

If she's been drunk every day self medicating daily since Richard's death, she's never had the opportunity to work through her emotions. Like the old adage."You can bury your feelings, but you'll bury them alive".  That's part of why sobriety is "work" initially - all of the feelings that have been pushed down come roaring out...makes a gal wanna drink!

9 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Remember Jill's apartment renovation that was so tacky?  Bethenny's reaction to it was so funny!

So. Many. Mirrors.  Her gay best friend's crowning design acheivement.

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23 hours ago, stcroix said:

... but I've wondered a few times how much she would have mourned the loss of a middle income Richard? One who couldn't buy her Blue Stone manors or rub elbows with people like the Clintons? Does she miss the man Richard or the life he gave her? She sure does a lot of associating the two in her 'losing Richard' stories. (of which I'm sick of hearing about,too!) 

I have never spent a Nano second wondering. It is the loss of the lifestyle that is causing her to rage at the universe about life being unfair. Is this woman for real? 

And given her salary and other financial benefits from the show, I don’t understand her having economic issues. Obviously her expectations are high but she didn’t lose what she surely got on his death in bad investments like Sonja who was literally facing bankruptcy for awhile. 

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Unless she has a time machine this extremely unpleasant alcoholic dirt bag is shit out of luck.

Hope springs eternal, even for Dorinda...

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I'm tired of these women self medicating with alcohol. Here's the new way to.define their personalities...Dorinda: mean drunk; Sonja: sloppy drunk; LuAnn: belligerent drunk; Ramona: flirty drunk; Leah: crazy drunk; Tinsley: debutante drunk.

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Dorinda is a nasty bitch, drunk or sober.  I’m sure if Richard hadn’t died he would have eventually left her slobbering spittle-spouting pathetic ass.  (And yes, menopause is no excuse). I’m sure she is also ramping up the bullying to establish herself as the new alpha and keep her apple - she needs the money now and I bet it kills her that Tinsley can afford to walk away.

I hurt for Tinsley.  She doesn’t have a single true friend in this cast and it must be a horrible feeling.  I do wish she had done what Denise (RHOBH) did and snapped back: I am Tinsley F$cking Mortimer.  Dorinda was a nobody before this show and she will be a (drunk) nobody after this show.  What a waste of oxygen.  

Have to end on a positive note: I am loving Ramona, Voice of Reason.  And there was this one really cute part in the park when she did this little zig-zag run up to Dorinda to sneak up on her.

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Was watching Mommie dearest last night and this like popped out and made me think of Dorinda and Sonja...

 

How many drinks is that? When you were a kid that made you look sexy. Now it just makes you look drunk.

 

 

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On 5/14/2020 at 9:08 PM, Emmeline said:

watching 90 Day Fiance and RHNYC.  
I must say the boxer and Tinsley are cute together.

90DAYF IS MY EVERYTHING right now!

Jarinda! TINSDALE! Loved him. He was adorable w Tinsley. The juxtaposition of big masculine and direct versus tiny feminine little Tinsley. And I love her. Let Martin at Bethenny next. 

The only ? I had was did Dale's CC pay for this? TinsDALE? Isn't that her mother's name? 

On 5/14/2020 at 10:02 PM, mothmonsterman said:

Dorinda has lost her damned mind. She needs a doctor. 

And she needs a new blouse holy shit that short sleeved shirt we had to suffer thru watching her meltdown was a rag. 

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13 hours ago, goofygirl said:

Big hugs to you, ButterQueen.

And to you too Sadie.

SO... my husband died 12 years ago and I went to counseling for 2.5 years EVERY FREAKING WEEK!  I'm still only about 90-95%.  But... I worked, paid off MY house, haven't had the slightest urge to date, and have generally done all right with not much in the $$$ department. I had to get back into it pretty soon after his death because otherwise, I'd have been living in a VAN down by the RIVER!

Faith, family, friends. In that order for me.  Oh, and because I just said this earlier,  LAUGHTER.

Amen, @goofygirl! I see a lot of loving, resilient, and hilarious people on this board, and it explains so much about why Dorinda's bullshit is so annoying. We watch Real Housewives for fun, escapism, and travel/property porn. This season's RHONY premiere cracked me up, and I was happy to see the ladies back without Bethenny and her Cloud of Judgment and Doom.

But it's not fun to see Dorinda psychologically abuse Tinsley and use her real pain as an excuse to do so. It's not fun to see Sonja's downward spiral of desperation; I don't think she's been sober for an entire episode yet (I could be wrong here). Leah seemed like she might be a good ally for Tinsley, but she isn't. I DO appreciate that she brought the boxing coach into my life,  though. Ramona and Luann are holding it down as OGs, though. They are still snobbish drama queens, but they're not losing control of themselves or getting too dark.

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On 5/14/2020 at 11:10 PM, snarts said:

To be fair, it appeared as if Luann was asked about Leah's apartment and struggled with what to say  i was yelling cozy, say it's cozy!  Of course, the Countess acted like the Countess.

For those that were asking, she rents a new pied a terre every year for filming. Her primary residence is upstate, although she also spends time at the Sag Harbor house. 

Most recent apartment: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/style-living/luann-de-lesseps-upper-west-side-apartment-tour

https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/style-living/luann-de-lesseps-nyc-apartment-photos

Early 2019 apartment: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/home-design/luann-de-lesseps-nyc-apartment-photos

Thanks for the link.  Lu’s apt. Is no big deal.  She has lots of junk around, and a “Brita” water jug.  I’m surprised.  There was nothing wrong with Leahs apt.  It was cozy and clean, pictures on the walls, etc.  Countessa was rude to say otherwise.

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Where can the show go from here? I wasn’t following the media and thought we would see Tinsley plan a wedding. That’s a big letdown for me. Dorinda forced her to have no reason to stay.  It seems they really fight about one thing: camera time and attention and Tinsley was the only one without a horse 🐎 in that race.

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 I was just reading the Southern Charm board; at least one of the cast members (female) apparently opted out of returning due to the storylines for the coming season; I guess lots of fighting, drama and such.  I don't know how accurate the story is.  But.

I am afraid that Andy and Bravo are encouraging Dorinda's already terrible behavior.  And it is more than likely going to get worse.  To my knowledge, none of these women are poor or destitute.  Do they need the income from this show (well, maybe Sonja) so badly that they are willing to debase themselves and appear as bullies and maniacs.  Don't they care what their close friends and families might think? What is wrong with these women?  Do men debase themselves like this for a paycheck?  Well, probably. but I can't think of anything comparable right now.  There is so little lightness to these Housewives shows anymore that they are becoming unwatchable.

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10 hours ago, stcroix said:

I was wondering the same thing.  It's like they're afraid to offend her.  Maybe they remember the show a few seasons back where she told one of the girls she had a private report done on someone by a guy in the government ("no he's not FBI, giggle, no he's not CIA, giggle..."Just say MAFIA, Dorinda.)  If they make her mad maybe they're afraid she'll call up darling Richard's connection to get information 'this high' on them! I remember while watching her smile and evil serious eyes as she said all this-- and I thought I sure would NEVER want to get on her bad side! Now she's like a loose cannon.  

And this is probably me just being mean... but I've wondered a few times how much she would have mourned the loss of a middle income Richard? One who couldn't buy her Blue Stone manors or rub elbows with people like the Clintons? Does she miss the man Richard or the life he gave her? She sure does a lot of associating the two in her 'losing Richard' stories. (of which I'm sick of hearing about,too!) 

There wouldn’t have ever been a middle income Richard.  If John was a “Richard”, she would be all over him like a snake and married by now.  He doesn’t meet her expectations.  I just hope he was the one who broke off with her.  Now she can go and hang with Sonja and be a drunken tramp.  High class my ass.  I only hope John finds a woman who appreciates him, a successful businessman with a good heart who took care of Dorinda’s ass when she was plastered and couldn’t even get home by herself.  She just might wind up in the clinker yet, like the rest of them.  Now, she had to go get her car from Queens and park it in the City.  Good.  Pay thru the nose now.  PLEASE John, don’t cave.  I’m going to go to his store and tell him myself, hahahaha.  Sorry for the rant .. I’m just so disgusted with this weeks episode.  It’s my #1 favorite show.

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Midnight Cheese said:

 

More Martin the boxer. I love his scenes and his Little Stevie bandanna and the fact that you can see Tins the college jock cutting up with him. He gets her name wrong? No biggie. In lots of these small moments, you can see pretty clearly that Tins has better manners and humor than most of her compatriots.

ALL of this!

1) Martin a great ancillary character. If you are watching 90 Day fiance then Martin is Sergay David's private investigator. Martin is a better character than the CAST!  So enjoyable. 

2) Tinsdale really does have good manners and a good sense of humor. Jarinda. Dorito. lol  As i said upthread isn't her mother's name Dale? Tinsley IS Dale's porcelain doll, was Martin making a point? I hope not. I hope it was just a funny accident.

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18 minutes ago, Kemper said:

 I was just reading the Southern Charm board; at least one of the cast members (female) apparently opted out of returning due to the storylines for the coming season; I guess lots of fighting, drama and such.  I don't know how accurate the story is.  But.

I am afraid that Andy and Bravo are encouraging Dorinda's already terrible behavior.  And it is more than likely going to get worse.  To my knowledge, none of these women are poor or destitute.  Do they need the income from this show (well, maybe Sonja) so badly that they are willing to debase themselves and appear as bullies and maniacs.  Don't they care what their close friends and families might think? What is wrong with these women?  Do men debase themselves like this for a paycheck?  Well, probably. but I can't think of anything comparable right now.  There is so little lightness to these Housewives shows anymore that they are becoming unwatchable.

Oh no .. I love Southern Charm.  I hope it’s not one of the important girls.

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Tinsley doesn't deserve what she's getting from Drunkinda. But I'll say this one thing- Tinsley's cartoonish babytalk voice- even when fighting and raising said voice- is SO ANNOYING and impossible to really take seriously. Her over pronounced hissing "s" sounds= horrible. Nothing against her but she isn't a good fit for this show. There aren't any feelings of genuine friendship amongst these women who are awkwardly aged for her. They're neither old enough to really be her mothers nor young enough for her in a GROUP of them to be fitting as "friendship." They should remove Tinsley and bring in Elyse since she is an actual friend off camera as well and more appropriate.  I'm sure she'd drum up some drama here and there. 

Sonja always is portrayed as sort of gross. Between toilet repairs, wetting herself constantly, wearing diapers on the jitney (sp?)...production loves to point out Sonja is a human in every possible way. It was ok the 1st few times but now it's tired and nasty.  

Leah's apartment kind of reminded me of Bethenny's first apartment where she had that cringey dinner with Jason #1. I'm sure the apt is expensive enough...her flaw? It looked like someone (GASP!) LIVES THERE! 

Agree with previous posters if you have to defend your alcohol use then it's a problem. They've all got issues to some degree. Finally i heard LuAnn say what you've pointed out in the past "Olcohol." Lol pretty funny. 

Leah is also young for the group like Tinsley but somehow like Bethenny she may fit a little bc she's dysfunctiknal in a dramatic way like Beth was. Tinsley's brand of dysfunction doesn't fit really. I don't even think she's honest with the group about what she thinks of them. She's always on defense like a child. 

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28 minutes ago, Silver Bells said:

Oh no .. I love Southern Charm.  I hope it’s not one of the important girls.

I think it is Cam, Chelsea and Naomi.  Or Naome...can't remember how to spell her name.  I read where Cam decided on her own not to come back.  Not sure about the other two.  

I don't want to sound like a scold all the time....but I am really sad that this is what the NY Housewives have become.  Although all the Housewives shows are like this now - but most of us have probably been with this particular franchise since the beginning, have laughed and bitched about it and the antics forever.  It is just now there is no fun and nothing to laugh about.

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22 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Last year, there was a scene where Dorinda and Hannah were talking about the time right after Richard died, and Hannah alluded to things being bad when they lived in their apartment. And if this is the way that Dorinda behaves on-camera, I can only imagine how much worse it was for Hannah behind closed doors. I think that Dorinda is an emotionally abusive narcissist that blames her victims for her behavior.  It must be very difficult being her daughter. 

Yeah, somewhere in at that lunch, Dorinda said something to the effect of she no longer goes after Hannah or fights with Hannah.  I guess Tinsley has filled that void. Perhaps there is more of a pattern there then she has clued us in to. Later on, she has the audacity to say she was a good mother, why did this happen to her?

I'm not going to comment on her mothering, but you think someone living in a city where things like, I don't know, 9/11, happen, at the ripe old age of 55, would understand the world doesn't work that way. It's pretty gross.

I used to really like Dorinda, and thought she had a good heart. Now I'm not so sure. For all her supposed claiming that Tinsley is shallow and nothing, what does Dorinda do all day? She doesn't have a job either.

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I keep thinking about John, and I wonder if Dorinda will still get free dry cleaning.  He was such a convenience to her, a ready escort to any social event and support during filming so she was never alone.  He was so abused by Bethenny in the beginning and  but he always took it in stride.  Clearly he is a flirt and maybe a womanizer but  I think he is the one breaking it off and this business of how he will always have a place at Dorinda's table is foolish rhetoric. How would that really work and why would he want it?   I never felt she showed compassion for him and I always thought she defended him because he was useful-- "Here carry my bag" sort of thing.  The others, and this includes Bethenny, did not want him part of the show from the beginning  and I suspect they look down on him.  That's not a good look for any of them who have barely a shred of self respect left except for Tinsley who now does not fit in with them because she does have a life, youth and a promising future.

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1 hour ago, Silver Bells said:

Thanks for the link.  Lu’s apt. Is no big deal.  She has lots of junk around, and a “Brita” water jug.  I’m surprised.  There was nothing wrong with Leahs apt.  It was cozy and clean, pictures on the walls, etc.  Countessa was rude to say otherwise.

And not for nothing, but Leah is 37 - fairly young to own a place as expensive as I'm sure that place is. She's still acquiring her wealth and income. This may be her first piece of real estate. Bethenny came on this show around the same age and lived in a shoebox.

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18 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

Or... she had a child to raise and John to distract her attention.  Now, her child is gone and John left/gone so she everything she pushed down for a decade she's vomiting up.  Just a theory but whatever is going on she really really needs to grief counseling - offscreen.  

Hannah moved out in 2016.  Four years ago.  

Again, just like Richard's death, this isn't a fresh memory for her.  What is fresh is how we're hearing now about all of the issues with Blue Stone Manor.  THAT is her current trigger, her current excuse this season to be a drunken asshole.   It's not "dealing" with a death that happened 9 years ago and a daughter that moved out 4 years ago but she's going to roll that into the drunken emotional outbursts so people feel sympathy for her -- just like they did after she bullied Tins.

John was no great love, just a companion.  She's indicated her lack of desire to be out and about, so she no longer needs him as her escort.   It sounds like he's been more of a friend to her and they'll continue to be friends. I don't buy that their breakup was some big jolt of emotion for her either.

Dorinda's going to pull out her long-dead husband, long-moved out daughter, and 7 year relationship that was dead before it actually died as the excuse.  Now the 1% worries of 2nd or 3rd home upkeep is the other new excuse, new trigger.

She's not "almost" an alcoholic; she is one.   She needs LuAnn and every one else to drink along with her.  The anger she had towards LuAnn was really that she was no longer a drinking buddy.  She seemed to start liking Leah after Leah gave up sobriety.

I know I'm only 3 years, almost 4 years into the death of my husband, but there's much, much more under the surface than widowhood and empty nest.  She needs counseling that goes beyond bereavement.  

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1 hour ago, Kemper said:

 

1 hour ago, Silver Bells said:

Oh no .. I love Southern Charm.  I hope it’s not one of the important girls.

I think it is Cam, Chelsea and Naomi.  Or Naome...can't remember how to spell her name.  I read where Cam decided on her own not to come back.  Not sure about the other two

 

No not Chelsea!  Her dog (a pitbull rescue named Tyson) is the most adorable dog on Bravo, and the adoring way he looks at her makes my heart flutter.

Good for Cam leaving on her own.  I have respect for people who do that, and if that’s what Tinsley is gonna do... I’ll miss her, but she is much better off without these psycho hosebeasts.  Hopefully being off camera will be good for her relationship with Scott.

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1 hour ago, Silver Bells said:

Oh no .. I love Southern Charm.  I hope it’s not one of the important girls.

Go to Cameran's thread.  A lot happening the past week.

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3 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

90DAYF IS MY EVERYTHING right now!

Jarinda! TINSDALE! Loved him. He was adorable w Tinsley. The juxtaposition of big masculine and direct versus tiny feminine little Tinsley. And I love her. Let Martin at Bethenny next. 

The only ? I had was did Dale's CC pay for this? TinsDALE? Isn't that her mother's name? 

And she needs a new blouse holy shit that short sleeved shirt we had to suffer thru watching her meltdown was a rag. 

I bet Dale is kicking herself that she never thought to name Tinsley "Tinsdale". And like some others I was totally confused when Martin called Dorinda "Dorito" as that is what many of us call Dorit on RHoBH. 

I liked Martin and his advice to Tinsley, but I have to say I was uncomfortable when he kept jabbing Tinsley long after she asked him to stop. It was obvious that he wasn't hurting her, but I honestly thought she was recalling her abusive relationship with the boyfriend in Florida. When she curled up into a ball in the corner to get away from him.  it broke my heart a little bit. Martin needs to listen to his clients - no means no even in that situation. 

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25 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

It was obvious that he wasn't hurting her, but I honestly thought she was recalling her abusive relationship with the boyfriend in Florida. When she curled up into a ball in the corner to get away from him.  it broke my heart a little bit. Martin needs to listen to his clients - no means no even in that situation. 

Good point!  I didn't even think of that.  He may want to rethink his tactics given what she's gone through.  There's a better way to make the point about not being a doormat other than beating the person into submission and then telling them to fight back. 

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I’m way behind, cannot read every post, so forgive anything I repeat.

I went back to episode 2 where Dorinda mentions her boobs being bigger now.  Boob job or weight gain?  They looked pretty perky.

Dorinda is a witch.  She needs to leave the show.  I’m sick of her.  Poor Tinsley.  I wish she would throw a drink in her face.  Go away.

I’m loving Lu this season, and I love her floral dresses.  I wonder where she buys them.

I can’t hate Sonja, she’s not all there and she does have some thoughtful comments.

I cannot stand Ramona.  She had nerve complaining about the mess given her past antics.  Is she hurting for money she couldn’t hire help.

I love Tinsley this season and Leah is a great addition.

Again, Dorinda go away.  So happy John is free.  He deserves better.

If Lu is an alcoholic, so are the other women.  I think her crumbled marriage sent her over the edge.  I just lost my husband, and I am glad I do not drink.  It’s been 2 weeks and I would stay drunk.

I don’t miss Bethenny one bit.  Leah was a great choice.

I loved seeing Jacques. 

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In her recap video for this episode Dorinda states that she and John aren’t broken up and that the women took that Page Six story and ran with it and that it’s all nonsense. That they might be (still apparently) reevaluating things in the future but they aren’t broken up. I don’t know how she can watch this episode and suggest that it was the other women who decided that they broke up and not her acting like it but that’s because I don’t live in a world of delusion.

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On 5/14/2020 at 9:51 PM, TexasGal said:

You can tell, because she’s with another person.

Another man?

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3 hours ago, Kemper said:

I think it is Cam, Chelsea and Naomi.  Or Naome...can't remember how to spell her name.  I read where Cam decided on her own not to come back.  Not sure about the other two.  

I don't want to sound like a scold all the time....but I am really sad that this is what the NY Housewives have become.  Although all the Housewives shows are like this now - but most of us have probably been with this particular franchise since the beginning, have laughed and bitched about it and the antics forever.  It is just now there is no fun and nothing to laugh about.

I hope not Cameron.  She was the Mother hen for all the boys, yet I can understand her not wanting to film, being her husband is a doctor and all.  Chelsea and Naomi bring nothing imo.  I could watch Patricia and Katherine all day long, with Shep and what’s his name .. the guy who makes pillows. Lol.

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On 5/14/2020 at 10:24 PM, Stats Queen said:

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