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S10.E14: Fight or Flight?

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6 hours ago, qtpye said:

This guy is really not that insightful but he does have thoughts on Brandon.

 

Oh my goodness.  That was fun!  Taylor her wig and her cracked phone, Perch doing Perch things and his assessment of thugalicious Katie were perfection.  Thanks so much for sharing it, qtpye!  Too funny. 

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4 hours ago, sasha206 said:

For sure.

She wants to be manhandled, by a bad boy.  That's what she is attracted to.  That's probably why her last boyfriend was so absent for her.  Because he was a bad boy.   The more absent he was for her, the more she longed for him.

If Derek were Zach, she'd be in love (not for bad boy quality, but his absenteeism).  

 

Derek/Katie should have switched with Zach/Mindy. Better matches and would have been a good twist to keep viewers watching.

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23 minutes ago, LaLaLaLa said:

Derek/Katie should have switched with Zach/Mindy. Better matches and would have been a good twist to keep viewers watching.

at least it couldn't have been any worse

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1 hour ago, MajorNelson said:

Thanks for your huge writeup.  The trouble is, for whatever happened all we have is Michael's mishmash of the events as he chose to disclose them, lies included and as well omitting whatever he wants omitted

I would lay odds his Uncle did die.  Also, that sometime during the day he wanted to order flowers.  He MAY have met up with some family members for 10 minutes.  And as far as parking at the Festival, I bet the plan was to hang out there.  His wanting to get back in time to go on Meka's excursion was basically impossible and therefore just "nice words" but a lie.

I will go with his Uncle did die.  Or someone's Uncle.  And he did not order flowers. 

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On 4/1/2020 at 7:06 PM, Suzy Rhapsody said:

I thought I was the only one watching Unfiltered through my fingers.  Lawd!

What is wrong with her eyes?  They seem really squinty.

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On 4/1/2020 at 11:08 PM, rebel2u said:

Yes!  Zack is!  You go, girl!

I obtained a Master's in Counseling, beginning the program not long after I graduated from college.  I kind of did it on a lark, and though I did well in my studies, I realized that, at that point of my life, I wasn't ready to counsel anybody.   BUT, as someone now older and wiser and with an MA in Counseling, I have two words of advice for Derek:  Derek, RUN!

I'm wondering if Katie is one of those people that thrives on drama.  A red flag was when she said, essentially, we get along better after we fight.  Yeah, that intensity works when you're 16 and in love with love.  But when you're 26 and married, fighting so that your love will be intense and passionate all the time is exhausting and doesn't bode well for a long term relationship.

Again, I say, "Derek, RUN!"  There are plenty of women out there that would be ecstatic to have a fun, kind and easygoing guy like you.  Love shouldn't be this hard.  

It scares me that she's a therapist.  Does she start belittling anyone who is having a hard time?

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12 minutes ago, zoltana said:

It scares me that she's a therapist.  Does she start belittling anyone who is having a hard time?

She calls them a giant nerd/dork and then runs out of the room in hopes the client will come and coddle her.

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On 4/2/2020 at 10:24 AM, BunnyAndIvy said:

Has anyone mentioned the crockpot yet? I was cracking up that Austin ended up lugging that thing all around that (huge) house tour 😂 

Thank you!  I was wondering when someone was going to mention it.  He was asking why does someone even bring a crockpot.  Well Austin, hun, you are going to appreciate the hell out of that girl in the future when you go to gatherings and she comes with a crockpot full of velveeta and rotel or Lil' smokies in bbq sauce, lol!  In the south that's just good manners 😂

 

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If someone was selected, or applying, for this show, wouldn't they watch a couple of the previous seasons?

Who would take a chance on ending up with Ryan DeNino or Iris Caldwell?

Who, as pleasant as Austin or Derek could see the previous train wrecks and still want to be part of this?

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6 hours ago, KateHearts said:

But they did pair mixed-race couples. Davina and the nurse guy. And the black man with the woman of Indian descent with a criminal record.

Maybe the show "said" that they wouldn't pair couples in interracial relationships when the participants want to be paired in interracial marriages.  Meaning the  man and woman only want the other race.  I think that Davina prefered to not date a man of East Asian background.  I would think that she could find and arranged marriage on her own if she wanted someone from India or Pakistan.  (I don't recall where her parents were from)  I don't think her husband requested east asian or nonwhite so they weren't matched in this dimension.

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On 4/3/2020 at 7:16 PM, LuvMyShows said:

What was scary, IIRC, was the manner in which he said what he did to the production guy.  He had a weird, controlled-but-crazy way of speaking, facial expression, and body language.  It was intentional and explicitly designed to provoke the other person and elevate the tension.  We may not agree with the sentiment behind Katie's fit, but the fit she had was more of a standard variety anger-expression, blowing-off-steam fit that most people have had more than once in their lives.  I have never seen anyone approach the particular type of crazy that Brandon demonstrated.

I didn't see crazy at all.  A person being angry doesn't mean they are crazy.  I saw his facial expression as, "see what just happened."  As if the producers had asked both he and Taylor to please go on the couples retreat. 

I'm confused as to what "normal" anger is.  I mean what is normal?  What is "scary" anger?  To who?  To me Brandon's anger was, "Why did you pair me with HER?"  And then when it came out that she's a reality fame whore, it pissed him off even more.  I can't say I blame him.  If Brandon were a woman, would the anger still be "scary?"

I think by the time this episode was filmed, the producers knew this season was a wash out.  So what they were trying to do was to salvage the season.  "Just come on the retreat, it'll be fun."

What would happen if Brandon and Taylor and Meka and Michael did what Mindy did in the midst of the season, and say their respective marriages were over?  No one in production would be happy if that had happened.  I mean if Meka is SO upset that Michael keeps lying to her, why is she still there?  Why is Taylor still there if Brandon pissed her off THAT much?  I'd like to know.

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I thought the whole "stolen golf cart" and paddleboat scene was completely cringe-worthy. I think Derek is a good guy but his over-the-top act of trying to be the "bad boy," while actually saying "yeah, I'm a bad boy" made him look stupid and desperate.  And all the video of the two of them doing their "daring" activities as if they were reinventing the wheel was just stupid.

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On 4/2/2020 at 8:43 PM, Neurochick said:

I am confused.  What is so scary about a person expressing anger?  Anger is a normal emotion.  True, Brandon is a man-child, but still.  I don't see Brandon as being violent at all.  What has happened that expressing anger, even if it's yelling has become scary? 

What I found disturbing was Brandon's body language, in-your-face dares, the "yeah try to come at me" and his repeating of phrases over and over again ("don't touch me; don't touch me; don't touch me") that seemed to show that he has anger (normal) that he can't express well or handle in a way that isn't either self-destructive or threatening towards others. He was almost wanting the crew to start a fight. And if he's not right there in the face of who he's angry with, he sulks and retreats.

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5 minutes ago, KateHearts said:

What I found disturbing was Brandon's body language, in-your-face dares, the "yeah try to come at me" and his repeating of phrases over and over again ("don't touch me; don't touch me; don't touch me") that seemed to show that he has anger (normal) that he can't express well or handle in a way that isn't either self-destructive or threatening towards others. He was almost wanting the crew to start a fight. And if he's not right there in the face of who he's angry with, he sulks and retreats.

That wasn't disturbing to me, it was childish.  He was pissed at the show for setting him up with Taylor.  If most of his relationships have been interracial, he was probably upset that he was set up with a black woman, especially a reality show/Instagram wannabe with a busted wig. (sorry, had to throw that in)

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4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

 

What would happen if Brandon and Taylor and Meka and Michael did what Mindy did in the midst of the season, and say their respective marriages were over?  No one in production would be happy if that had happened.  I mean if Meka is SO upset that Michael keeps lying to her, why is she still there?  Why is Taylor still there if Brandon pissed her off THAT much?  I'd like to know.

Money and contracts!

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5 hours ago, Neurochick said:

That wasn't disturbing to me, it was childish.  He was pissed at the show for setting him up with Taylor.  If most of his relationships have been interracial, he was probably upset that he was set up with a black woman, especially a reality show/Instagram wannabe with a busted wig. (sorry, had to throw that in)

FWIW, I found Brandon childish AND disturbing.  I think Katie is just childish and self centered.  Brandon provokes fear and plays mind fuckery games.  I feel like any minute he is going to explode and hurt someone or destroy property.  The way he acted with production was IMO far more disturbing than anything Katie has done so far.  Plus he has been acting that way since day 1 with Taylor.  His punching in that wedding cake was the first  disturbing red flag and it has been one red flag after another with him all through.  Anyone that acts that way AT THE WEDDING has serious anger and other issues and IMO I would not feel safe around him for two minutes.

Go easy on me, I lost my 92 year old father in NYC to Coronavirus today (well, it's technically yesterday now) and I am 110 miles away with no family in NY and I can't go anywhere near the place plus like everyone else I am dealing with the stress and uncertainty of the pandemic.  Yes, this is a nightmare.

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7 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Go easy on me, I lost my 92 year old father in NYC to Coronavirus today (well, it's technically yesterday now) and I am 110 miles away with no family in NY and I can't go anywhere near the place plus like everyone else I am dealing with the stress and uncertainty of the pandemic.  Yes, this is a nightmare.

I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your father.  It doesn’t matter how long our parents are with us, it’s heartbreaking to lose them. Not being able to be with your father is especially tragic. You have my sympathy. 

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10 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

I’m so sorry to hear about the loss of your father.  It doesn’t matter how long our parents are with us, it’s heartbreaking to lose them. Not being able to be with your father is especially tragic. You have my sympathy. 

Thank you so much.  This is the worst way and time to lose someone.  Obviously at that age I knew it might not be long anyway but this is not the way you want your loved one to go.  I couldn't be with him at the end and was told not to drive down to NYC whatsoever under ANY circumstances.  They aren't allowing visitors of any kind in the hospitals especially near Covid patients.  Plus I have no other family and he is 110 miles away.  It's just horrible.  He had visiting nurses coming into his apartment (which he couldn't be without) and I knew that was a potential problem but all of them were wearing masks and gloves, and yet he still got the virus.  He lived a long and wonderful life and so I am trying to concentrate on that and not the horrible circumstances surrounding his death.  As it is, I still haven't heard back from the hospital about funeral home arrangements.  I hear they are overwhelmed.  They told me it might not be until morning.  I am all cried out and in and out of sleep.  Thank goodness I have my husband here in the flesh or it would be even worse.

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20 hours ago, zoltana said:

What is wrong with her eyes?  They seem really squinty.

It’s probably all of the makeup and the baby giraffe eyelashes.  She looks ridiculous to me.  So fake. 

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I actually sort of like that Austin won't say "I love you" on someone else's timeline. It shows that, yeah, Jessica might run the show in some ways on a day-to-day level (I don't think she's "controlling" but she is definitely a household-manager type), but he will hold his own and isn't a pushover or a total yes-man like Bobby seemed to be a bit with Danielle. Even though I'm sure it hurt Jessica a lot not to hear it when she went out on a limb and said it, I think it shows something healthy about their power dynamic--that they will be equals, even if Austin is a little quieter and more subtle about asserting himself. 

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17 hours ago, Neurochick said:

What would happen if Brandon and Taylor and Meka and Michael did what Mindy did in the midst of the season, and say their respective marriages were over? 

I Just want to jump in here and talk about Mindy and her ending the marriage.  She was following the experts' advice.  Dr. V asked Mindy to come up with three fundamentals or absolutes that she had to have.  And while Zach said he would abide by them, when she caught him in an instance of not being truthful, she adhered to the standards and ended it.  These other couples do not have an "out" given to them by the experts or producers, that we know of.

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On 4/1/2020 at 8:51 PM, LennieBriscoe said:

So she's trying again to control Derek. And ruining the dinner for the others.

ETA: Divorce, Derek. D-I-V-O-R-C-E. Sing it, son. 

But don't sing it like a Christmas song cos Katie is not here for that!

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On 4/4/2020 at 9:07 AM, Zero260 said:

I completely agree! I love Shawniece and how she obviously adores Jephte. He makes some really sly and humorous comments under his breath. Anthony is a gem ... cracked me up with his bodybuilder T-shirt and the way he exposed it. And most surprising to me is the dynamic between Jamie and Elizabeth. Their body language says they’re comfortable and in-sync with each other. I find her a little annoying sometimes but he doesn’t seem to notice or react to her quirky personality. At least not on CC. 

LOVE Shawniece and Jephte! Especially the way they crack each other up just cracks me up!

LOVE Anthony and Ashley! He is hilarious; loved his muscle shirt. They should play the drinking game again 😂

LOVE Elizabeth and Jamie! Didn’t have a big opinion one way or the other about her or them during their season. But they might be my favorite on Couples Couch. Love their interaction and she is hilarious; she tells it like it is and many times, what everyone is thinking but won’t say!

LOVE Keith and Kristine!! LOVE Stephanie and AJ is pretty good on CC (didn’t like him on their season). Bobby is so funny, much more openly himself on CC. Completely understand why Greg and Deonna don’t want to be part of it, but they are missed. Hope they continue to do well.

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On 4/4/2020 at 12:40 AM, spunky said:

It was later revealed that Sheila’s behavior was due to Nate cheating on her throughout their marriage. I follow her on Instagram and she refuses to even acknowledge the show because of their bad edit.

Wow! That was an incredibly crappy thing for MAFS to do to someone! They can really eff up someone’s life like that! I am so not a litigious person, but she should sue them for defaming her character. Can you shine any light on how she’s doing, if she’s married, got kids, happy?

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On 4/4/2020 at 12:48 AM, Yeah No said:

I know!!!  I am loving the reaction of some of my favorite couples from the series, especially Ashley and Anthony!  Anthony is hysterical and Ashley and I tend to agree on everything and think the same thoughts.  My husband and I do our own "Couples Couch" to the "Couples Couch" show, LOL.  We comment on the comments of the couples, which is sometimes pretty interesting and far more entertaining than the actual show itself!

I love that! Mr. and Mrs. Yeah No’s own Couples Couch! Wish there was a Mr. MyTwoCents but at least I can share with all you guys! 😘

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Agreed that Taylor is annoying & unable to put herself aside & see into other people's feelings, but her story of the night in the hotel room was quite different from Brandon's & in her place I probably would have done exactly as she did.

She says she wanted both of them to go home & have an evening together.

Brandon replies, No, I'm going to work. So she drives him to work in DC & says, OK, then I'll hang out with my friend who's visiting DC.

Then she finds out Brandon didn't stay at work but almost immediately went home, where she wanted to be with him from the start anyway, so his whole, "I have to work" thing just looks like a way to avoid her.

They've never had sex.

He's basically her unpleasant, dishonest roommate. She doesn't owe him shit. If she wants to stay out all weekend with twenty people of assorted genders, I say more power to her & she should do the same next weekend, too. She's acting single bc she is single.  Brandon always tells the story to make her look bad on camera & leaves out all his aggravating behavior.  She makes ridiculous choices. But he's a bastard & deserves to be alone for the rest of his life just to protect the rest of us.

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48 minutes ago, TakeAPinotGrigio said:

She says she wanted both of them to go home & have an evening together.

Brandon replies, No, I'm going to work. So she drives him to work in DC & says, OK, then I'll hang out with my friend who's visiting DC.

Then she finds out Brandon didn't stay at work but almost immediately went home, where she wanted to be with him from the start anyway, so his whole, "I have to work" thing just looks like a way to avoid her.

Thank you - this is something that has been bothering me. While I cannot stand either of them for different reasons, in this instance I am definitely on Taylor's side if her telling of the story is true. She didn't just randomly peace out, say she was going to a hotel party without Brandon, and then neglect to contact him again till the next morning while he sat there fretting. She drove HIM into the city to supposedly go to work after he declined to spend an evening in with her so she decided to visit her friend since she was there anyway. Did he expect her to wait in the car while he worked, or even worse, drive home and then all the way back again to pick him up when he was done working? She sucks beyond the telling of it, but it sounds like he treats her like his personal chauffeur and expects her to sit around waiting for the next time he needs a ride. I think that is why he was pissed - not because he was worried about her, but because she wasn't there when he snapped his fingers to drive him home. And then he went home anyway without her, so he obviously has other means of transportation. If that is the case, why is she shuttling him around all the time?

So many unanswered questions about these two and I doubt we will ever get the full story.

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Go easy on me, I lost my 92 year old father in NYC to Coronavirus today (well, it's technically yesterday now) and I am 110 miles away with no family in NY and I can't go anywhere near the place plus like everyone else I am dealing with the stress and uncertainty of the pandemic.  Yes, this is a nightmare.

I am so, so sorry! I can only imagine what you must be going through. May his memory be a blessing to you today and forever. We lost my FIL in early March (not of coronavirus), and maybe it sounds weird but I am really grateful he is free not only from his Alzheimer's Disease but just dealing with all the craziness here in these times.

I am really hoping that Jessica stays well too. I live in Cleveland, one of my close friends is an ICU nurse at the Cleveland Clinic — and what she tells me about the chaos there is really upsetting. I'm sure the qualities that make Jessica come off as domineering IRL are life-saving at work. I hope she is managing to keep a cool head — and bless her for putting her life on the line every time she shows up for a shift. 

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Disclaimer - I am in no way supporting Brandon's behavior with the below, but Taylor makes me sick, so here goes...

Brandon went to work, & she went out with friends. I think the point of contention is that she never came home.

If he was so horrid - & a bad temper would be a good reason to think so - she should've noped out of the 'marriage' from the honeymoon, instead of acting like she's trying when she's actually out partying - regularly - from what Brandon says. She's not trying, she's acting single, so she should've just divorced him, but then that would mean a loss of camera time & that's definitely not okay for her.

I'm going to also say given their issues & the fact that Brandon left she should've also left the retreat. There's no reason for her to be there just to party. It's a retreat for couples, not a singles party house. She needs to go home & dump Brandon if she's so damn upset. But again, that would result in less camera time. She's only had her 10 minutes so far, & she's going for the full 15.

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3 hours ago, MyTwoCents said:

Wow! That was an incredibly crappy thing for MAFS to do to someone! They can really eff up someone’s life like that! I am so not a litigious person, but she should sue them for defaming her character. Can you shine any light on how she’s doing, if she’s married, got kids, happy?

She seems truly happy. She’s friends with a few MAFS wives and even went on a cruise with some of them. Her boyfriend seems to be truly in love with.

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Riddle me this.  Why was Brandon going into work at night?  Seems his work is in the daytime.

Why couldn't he work remotely like everybody does if he had something to catch up on?

Why did Taylor have to drive him?

Things I ponder. 

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58 minutes ago, spunky said:

She seems truly happy. She’s friends with a few MAFS wives and even went on a cruise with some of them. Her boyfriend seems to be truly in love with.

That is so good to hear ❤️ She deserves some happiness after going through that.

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16 hours ago, Yeah No said:

 

Go easy on me, I lost my 92 year old father in NYC to Coronavirus today (well, it's technically yesterday now) and I am 110 miles away with no family in NY and I can't go anywhere near the place plus like everyone else I am dealing with the stress and uncertainty of the pandemic.  Yes, this is a nightmare.

I'm so sorry, that does sound like a nightmare. Please accept my condolences for your loss.

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17 hours ago, Yeah No said:

Go easy on me, I lost my 92 year old father in NYC to Coronavirus today (well, it's technically yesterday now) and I am 110 miles away with no family in NY and I can't go anywhere near the place plus like everyone else I am dealing with the stress and uncertainty of the pandemic.  Yes, this is a nightmare.

Oh no, I am very sorry.  Big hugs to you.  I cannot imagine.  

 

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22 hours ago, Neurochick said:

That wasn't disturbing to me, it was childish.  He was pissed at the show for setting him up with Taylor.  If most of his relationships have been interracial, he was probably upset that he was set up with a black woman, especially a reality show/Instagram wannabe with a busted wig. (sorry, had to throw that in)

LOL, Neuro.  

Even with 2 incidences, one which I initially characterized as violent, I still like him better than her.

The creepiest thing to me was her acting like she wanted to talk to him so she'd continue to get camera time!  It was sociopathic.

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2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Riddle me this.  Why was Brandon going into work at night?  Seems his work is in the daytime.

Why couldn't he work remotely like everybody does if he had something to catch up on?

Why did Taylor have to drive him?

Things I ponder. 

I don’t think we know why she drives him. He may not have a car but surely he had some way of getting around before he met Taylor.

As for working remotely, I think as a “beer ambassador” he probably staffs a booth at festivals and a table at events, promoting whatever product he reps. So it’s event-based work that you can’t do remotely. I haven’t seen anything that indicates he has a good personality for that. I don’t see him glad-handing and working a crowd...

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Hey, Derek, I guarantee that if you’d say no on decision day, you’d be contacted by a number of women you could get to know and perhaps, marry one. Nice women who’d respect you and your dreams. And one who would love to be your life’s partner. Think about, k? 
 

Yeah, I know the finale isn’t live, I’m just putting it out there.

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2 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

I don’t think we know why she drives him. He may not have a car but surely he had some way of getting around before he met Taylor.

As for working remotely, I think as a “beer ambassador” he probably staffs a booth at festivals and a table at events, promoting whatever product he reps. So it’s event-based work that you can’t do remotely. I haven’t seen anything that indicates he has a good personality for that. I don’t see him glad-handing and working a crowd...

He seemed very charming until his wedding day.  He seemed like the ideal beer ambassador before walking down the aisle.

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8 hours ago, Elizzikra said:

As for working remotely, I think as a “beer ambassador” he probably staffs a booth at festivals and a table at events, promoting whatever product he reps. So it’s event-based work that you can’t do remotely. I haven’t seen anything that indicates he has a good personality for that. I don’t see him glad-handing and working a crowd...

Oh, but in his interview episodes he described himself as "Mr. Life of the Party!!"

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12 hours ago, Retired at last said:

I would not be surprised to read that Taylor and Derek hook up at some point after they both dump their current spouses, assuming that they do!

no, no, no

derrick deserves someone real, not some publicity seeking twit

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My theory on Taylor is that she's immature but not the bride of chucky like everyone on this board is making her out to be. Meka is very straightforward and doesn't seem like the type who would be friends with someone who is just causing drama for the sake of being on TV.  She had no problem calling her out on her video.  It also seems like Taylor is her ride or die during this experiment. 

During the matching process Pastor Cal stated that Brandon might be intimidated by Taylor because she is more educated than he is, makes more money than he does and is ambitious.  Of course the other 2 didn't agree with him.

I think that Brandon might be worse off camera and that dead look in Taylor's eyes is her just going through the motions. Production most likely airs his behavior because they can't stand who he truly  is.I think Taylor may have been a better match for Derek, because she seems like the type who would encourage his dreams and not shoot them down. Plus he wouldn't be eating boxed mac and cheese every night.

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14 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

Riddle me this.  Why was Brandon going into work at night?  Seems his work is in the daytime.

I’m sure a lot of his event-based work is nights and weekends, and he’d work a lot of events as a beer salesman. I think there was a get-together with the men on a Saturday and he was late to that because he was working. Also he may be schmoozing his clients on nights and weekends, as is common for people in client-facing jobs (client dinners, golf, etc.).  He could do the paperwork part of his job in an office during the day, but at least some of his calling on his accounts would be nights and weekends. If the beer he reps is at a festival, as was discussed in this episode, he’d need to go to that festival to check in, and festivals are on weekends. Brandon has a lot of faults but I don’t think there’s anything out of the ordinary about his job.

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On 4/4/2020 at 1:48 AM, Yeah No said:

I think Katie might regret this when she gets older.  But if I were matched with Derek when I was younger I probably wouldn't see myself married to him.  Even Ashley on "Couples Couch" mentioned that he was a little jerky and immature.  I don't know if it's just a function of his youth and something he will grow out of as he gets older, or something that won't change.  It's often a crap shoot when you meet someone young.  Sometimes they mature and sometimes they don't.  The thing is that Derek may be a genuine guy that's just a little rough around the edges, and she may regret not trusting him enough to see how things progress before trashing the entire relationship.  That speaks of HER immaturity and self-sabotage here as much as anything.
 

I've come to the conclusion that Taylor is a good actress.  I don't believe she is as sincere about her investment in making things work as she claims to have been, and I don't know if I believe she would have been if Brandon wasn't such a wacko.  She has clearly had one foot out the door all through the relationship - Now mind you who could blame her when Brandon was a brat from day ONE with her?  But still, there's something fake about her all the way through, like she just signed up for this for the "experience" and would have bugged out of any relationship even if the guy was not a total asshole like Brandon.
 

I know!!!  I am loving the reaction of some of my favorite couples from the series, especially Ashley and Anthony!  Anthony is hysterical and Ashley and I tend to agree on everything and think the same thoughts.  My husband and I do our own "Couples Couch" to the "Couples Couch" show, LOL.  We comment on the comments of the couples, which is sometimes pretty interesting and far more entertaining than the actual show itself!
 

I don't know if I believe Brandon could be violent.  I won't rule that out given what I have seen of him, though.  What I want to know is why he just doesn't completely back out like Mindy did if he's so done with the marriage and the show?  Under duress?  Cry me a river, no one's holding a gun to his head and forcing him to stay there.  I don't think he has enough integrity to really back out for good.  Which says that he is as much of a fake as Taylor is in his own way.  Both of them are full of crap and lying to the camera about wanting to be together whatsoever.  He is probably staying there because he'd have to forfeit some money if he doesn't.
 

I think the women were just as perplexed as Meka and we are about the timeline and how Michael's answers didn't add up.  They were actually becoming a lot like her in supporting her by grilling him under the "hot lights" that way.  Several times I noticed him looking down and to the side and touching his face as he answered, which to me is a classic sign of lying.  It just proved to me that pretty much anyone that had to endure him would end up grilling him and getting obsessed with his lying.  I've been around liars like this and it makes you crazy, you end up questioning every little thing they do and not trusting anything.  So I'm giving Meka a lot of slack on how she's acting because look at how even the others were reacting the same way!

MAFSFAN posted a copy of the contracts these couples sign. They have to pay a $100,000 fine if they leave before decision day. Maybe Taylor is just acting for the cameras for the same reason Meka is keeping Michael around. They probably can't afford to pay that fine and are just going through the motions until decision day.

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I don't like Taylor and she strikes me as somebody who's hoping for social media fame and is used to people telling her she's better than she really is because she's pretty and personable. But I agree with those who said Brandon's behavior with that producer was disturbing. When he was getting in his face, that was just plain creepy to me. Who does that to somebody who's just doing their job? His mean streak, just...yikes. He goes for the jugular, that one. 

I mean, even if he feels jerked around by the choice of partner, he 1) clearly could choose to leave. Mindy did, and wasn't forced to attend the retreat. He knew Taylor went out all night before willingly heading out to the retreat (and then looking like he drank a ton, by the way). He could have just...not done any of that, and thus also saved himself from having to film and two producers from being called pieces of s*** yet again.

I understand they can be fined, but if Mindy can back out with being fined, Meka and Michael could spend their whole honeymoon apart without being fined, and Zach could choose not to ever live with Mindy without being fined, I would assume he could just not go on the damn retreat.

2) Correct me if I'm wrong, but the two people he was cursing out--including one he certainly seemed to me to be physically threatening and goading for a fight--didn't have a hand in choosing Taylor. So what is all the rage about?

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14 minutes ago, spunky said:

MAFSFAN posted a copy of the contracts these couples sign. They have to pay a $100,000 fine if they leave before decision day. Maybe Taylor is just acting for the cameras for the same reason Meka is keeping Michael around. They probably can't afford to pay that fine and are just going through the motions until decision day.

I find it hard to believe that Mindy and Zach paid $100,000.  

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