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S04.E18: Strangers: Part Two

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One that doesn't play out in the grand "Jack and Rebecca Pearson Love Story For The Ages" way he has romanticized in his head.

It's unfortunate that Kevin never knew that Jack and Rebecca Pearson Love Story left out a  lot of details. We've seen the beginning and they weren't all that romantic. It's hard to live up to perfection that was never there.

Jack may have wanted the best for his kids and always like to spin the fantasy, but being honest about how things really are can help to avoid giving kids unrealistic expectations. 

That was a real breakthrough moment when Kevin decided to stop trying to chase the fantasy of his parent's instant magical relationship and focus on building a real relationship. 

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On 3/24/2020 at 10:14 PM, greekmom said:

I don't think it was the location of the trial but the fact that a) it's 9 months and b) it's a long shot.

 

I think the location was the major factor.  Rebecca wanted to spend whatever quality time she had left with her family, not far away from them for such a long time.  At the end of 9 months she could deteriorate significantly.  My understanding was that she didn't want to take a chance on wasting that precious time.  

There is no family in St. Louis, or anywhere even close to being near.  I'm sure it looked to her as though she'd be leaving everything she loved, possibly (at least the way her brain would process it) forever.  She wanted to hang onto what she had, and not walk away from it for such a long time.  A lot can happen in 9 months, and I think she wanted to be with her family while she was at her best, not wasting that precious time so far away for so long.

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I read through this thread before watching the episode so after reading all the comments I was interested to see what the Randall/Kevin fight was like.

What I saw was Kevin confronting Randall and then Randall immediately going for the jugular, telling Kevin that his worst fears are true. Kevin's retaliation was right but I'm not going to blame him for reacting to what Randall said.

They both can use therapy. But Randall needs it badly.

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On 3/28/2020 at 8:53 PM, Alice Mudgarden said:

Personally, I'd like Kevin to meet someone entirely new and have that be his great love story. One that doesn't play out in the grand "Jack and Rebecca Pearson Love Story For The Ages" way he has romanticized in his head. Someone he didn't see coming, without ties to anyone but him; who snuck up on him after building just a regular old friendship.

Considering what a romantic he is, I think the most romantic thing would be for him to find his love when he wasn't looking for it. Then he'd know it was for real.

Like having surprise twins with Madison. 🙂   

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On 3/25/2020 at 10:11 PM, Bulldog said:

I have several family members who have adopted (admittedly, many years ago) and the health of prospective parents was absolutely something that agencies looked at when placing a child.  I know "fat shaming" is supposed to be taboo these days, but I don'consider Kate to be the picture of health. 

This is exactly right.  Any person (w/o fertility issues between mom and dad) and crank out a kid whether they should be a parent or not; when you adopt, everything about you comes into play to give that kid the best chance.  That's not to say terrible people don't adopt -- we've heard the terrible stories.  But you at least have to go through a pretty intense screening process where your healthy is 100% an issue.

The character, and the actress that plays her, is absolutely morbidly obese.  Not plump.  She is probably at least 300 pounds if not more.  You tend to gain weight as you age, so she could end up even heavier if she doesn't address this now.  If she doesn't have Type II diabetes and heart disease, it's probably miraculous.  

It's hard enough to take care of yourself if you carry that much weight on a small frame, much less take care of an infant/toddler AND adopt another child.

So yes, her weight would most definitely be an issue in an adoption.  And it HAS been an issue in real life adoptions.  This is not fat-shaming, it's a health issue.

 

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On 3/26/2020 at 2:49 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

And also, third, Alzheimer's is not something that has a cure.  Even if this drug works, it will only prolong Rebecca's good times.  He cannot save her from this diagnosis.

Exactly. I don't think Randall's idea is for Rebecca to do the trial to prolong those good times. I think Randall really believes that he can save her life.

In his delusional fantasy "If Jack Pearson Had Lived" that he told his therapist, he basically saved everyone. Not only did he keep Jack from going back into the burning house, but a few years later when William mentions his stomach bothering him, is it IBS? Or something he ate didn't agree with him? Or maybe it's just plain old gas? No, intuitive Randall knows that something sinister is afoot! He is able to get William into a specialist immediately, catching the cancer early enough that William can be treated and live.

Then older Rebecca misplaces her phone a couple of times. Is she just getting forgetful in her old age? No, alarm bells go off in Randall's head. Because nobody knows Rebecca like Randall does, not even her still-alive-husband! Randall gives Still-Alive-Jack a look that tells him something is terribly wrong, and they'd better get Rebecca to a specialist stat! Even the therapist could see that the story was going toward Randall catching the problem early, getting Rebecca treatment, and saving her.

I think Randall even mentioned a few times, both to his siblings and to Rebecca, that this trial could save her life. It's unfair to literally everyone else in the family, on so many different levels, that Randall has convinced Rebecca to go through the trial so that he can try to fix something that is unfixable.

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I kept waiting for someone to tell Randall this isn't a life or death issue; it's just a quality of life issue.  Her sadness every time she looked at him at Jack's party just broke my heart.  He could see her reaction, too, so I was just flummoxed that he didn't come to the realization that he shouldn't force her to go, especially when even Beth called him on it.  The whole storyline is just sad.

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On 3/27/2020 at 12:50 PM, DoubleUTeeEff said:

I think there are very real and valid criticisms of Kate. She is self-centered in my opinion. She is also a food addict but rather than speaking about that, she's criticized for her looks. It's like the fact that she isn't attractive enough is more important than the fact that she's battling an addiction.

In fairness, I'm almost certain that if this show featured a man of a weight similar to Kate (and even "fat" Toby was nowhere near Kate), there would be plenty of discussion on this board and others about his looks.  And I'm equally certain that they would not at all be of a sympathetic nature. 

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8 hours ago, Crs97 said:

I kept waiting for someone to tell Randall this isn't a life or death issue; it's just a quality of life issue.  Her sadness every time she looked at him at Jack's party just broke my heart.  He could see her reaction, too, so I was just flummoxed that he didn't come to the realization that he shouldn't force her to go, especially when even Beth called him on it.  The whole storyline is just sad.

Randall has now taken his control freak tendencies to a whole new level.

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On a completely different note, only Randall and Beth could set the house alarm for 30 seconds and then launch into a detailed discussion on some subject.  I replayed that sequence and timed it.  They got out the door in 45 seconds.  That will not work, trust me on that.

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I wondered about that, Dowel!  I hate things like that which are just so easy to get right.  Why didn’t they just say they had 45 seconds or a minute to get out?  Feels lazy.

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5 hours ago, CrystalBlue said:

Randall has now taken his control freak tendencies to a whole new level.

Of course in his head space that looks differently. He could not save Jack and he could not save William but he'll be damned if he can't save Rebecca no matter how many bridges he has to burn in doing so. Unless that tunnel vision gets shattered he won't see what everybody else is seeing. 

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18 hours ago, shoovenbooty said:

Exactly. I don't think Randall's idea is for Rebecca to do the trial to prolong those good times. I think Randall really believes that he can save her life.

 

18 hours ago, shoovenbooty said:

I think Randall even mentioned a few times, both to his siblings and to Rebecca, that this trial could save her life. It's unfair to literally everyone else in the family, on so many different levels, that Randall has convinced Rebecca to go through the trial so that he can try to fix something that is unfixable.

 

16 hours ago, Crs97 said:

I kept waiting for someone to tell Randall this isn't a life or death issue; it's just a quality of life issue.  Her sadness every time she looked at him at Jack's party just broke my heart.  He could see her reaction, too, so I was just flummoxed that he didn't come to the realization that he shouldn't force her to go, especially when even Beth called him on it.  The whole storyline is just sad.

 

1 hour ago, MissLucas said:

Of course in his head space that looks differently. He could not save Jack and he could not save William but he'll be damned if he can't save Rebecca no matter how many bridges he has to burn in doing so. Unless that tunnel vision gets shattered he won't see what everybody else is seeing. 

From what I read somewhere the new season will start with Rebecca and Miguel in St. Louis. We know that by August Rebecca is no longer in St. Louis.  Watching Randall get his way (and for me no matter his motivation this is him getting his way) is very difficult to watch.  He might say he is doing this because he thinks it's best for Rebecca but IMO this boils down to him wanting her to do what he wants.  And he used emotional blackmail to do it.  He is disregarding her wishes. Basically told Kevin he had no right to have an opinion on the matter. Doesn't even think about what Miguel and Kate think.  

I have no problem watching shows that are heartbreaking or deal with serious matters but this storyline is just so uncomfortable to watch.  I am used to watching characters that I know are villains (too many soap operas to name) or characters that have done bad things but sympathize with (Breaking Bad's Walter White) but Randall's behavior was just so awful.  To put his needs above his sick mother's (and the rest of her family) is something I expect to see from someone we already know to be a horrible human being.

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On 3/27/2020 at 12:50 PM, DoubleUTeeEff said:

Ory real and valid criticisms of Kate. She is self-centered in my opinion. She is also a food addict but rather than speaking about that, she's criticized for her looks. It's like the fact that she isn't attractive enough is more important than the fact that she's battling an addiction.

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Hmmmm, I must be missing Kate being criticized for her looks as though she's not attractive?  I think most people think like I do -- the actress is absolutely beautiful. 

I've seen more people concerned that she's obese, or as you say "battling an addiction."  

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On 4/2/2020 at 4:39 AM, Crs97 said:

I wondered about that, Dowel!  I hate things like that which are just so easy to get right.  Why didn’t they just say they had 45 seconds or a minute to get out?  Feels lazy.

Because the alarms are set to give 30 seconds by default and that's what most people go with, if there is a way to adjust the settings at all.  Good catch Dowel; I immediately thought the speecifying went beyond the 30-seconds time frame too!

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