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6 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

One of my daughters --who is over 2000 miles away-- is scheduled to move at the end of the month. If the movers aren't working, she'll have to pay rent in two places. 😞

That sucks.  Best of luck to her.  The movers are coming to get the stuff we can't next week, so hopefully things will work out.  Everything else we can get with some friends' help.

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My guess is the real estate prices will go down.    There will be landlords that won't get paid by tenants.   When they finally can do evictions, probably won't have many people looking for a new place, since they're unemployed.    I bet a lot of landlords will get sick of tenants, and sell out.   

 I think a lot of people who were paycheck to paycheck will not make it through this.   They will either get foreclosed on, give the keys back to the bank, or short sale.   I think many places prices will go down.   

The shocking part will be finding out how many people you thought were well off are spending every penny, have no savings, and everything is financed.    A lot of big, fancy houses will be foreclosed on I'm guessing. 

I don't mean this to sound rotten, but people with cash made out very well in the great depression, buying farms and houses for pennies on the dollar.   I think in a lot of places this will happen.  

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2 hours ago, Lugal said:

Personally, I wonder how many people will now learn to cook.

I have a basic but cool Tatung rice cooker (stainless steel pot, cooks by steaming from an outer pot to an inner pot with the food) which I hadn't used in a while but I used it to make a basic vegetarian meal and it was really easy.  I can reheat the rest in the stove tomorrow.  I do have a grocery delivery coming from Fairway but unless you're lucky you have to wait 3-4 days to get it.  It's okay for me though.  I try not to go out at all right now.  In midtown Manhattan there are bound to be people who just "forget" or whatever to stay apart.

I am putting off using the apartment laundry room for awhile. Unfortunately that's one of the hardest places with people hanging around, forgetting to get their clothes when they're done, whatever.  Although there are people in my building now who seem nervous just sharing the elevator.

Happy Birthday @Spartan Girl!  Stay strong all.

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I hate my county so, so much.  I am in Florida's "hot zone". Today, the county commissioners closed down all local parks. However, flights from NYC and other hot zones areas are still allowed (as long as the passengers "self-quarantine"--they won't be monitored so effective is that) and there is a cruise ship with 12 passengers that they are considering allowing to dock at Port Everglades. WTF.

I wish I could leave FL and go to a saner state so badly.

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Don't come to Texas. Our idiot Lt. Governor was on tv tonight talking about how we all need to get back to living normally and the older generations should sacrifice in order to keep the country intact. I cannot believe the arrogance and stupidity. Like this only affects older people and not anyone else. 

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1 hour ago, AgentRXS said:

I hate my county so, so much.  I am in Florida's "hot zone". Today, the county commissioners closed down all local parks. However, flights from NYC and other hot zones areas are still allowed (as long as the passengers "self-quarantine"--they won't be monitored so effective is that) 

I'm confused how he would enforce it without stopping flights. Also what's to stop someone  from taking a flight to Atlanta , for example, then go to Florida from there? Or prevent someone from driving down.  I saw videos with packed beaches because they were not shut down who knows if people got Covid-19 than took it home with them. 

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In my opinion there should be no travel in and no travel out of my county and Miami-Dade county until our numbers lower.

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Tomorrow I am going to pick up some prescriptions at the pharmacy. I will wear gloves & use the drive through. I am beyond excited at being able to go somewhere. It's pathetic. 😟

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I've been battling a low-key cold for over three weeks (cough, sore throat, runny nose), and yesterday I started having chest pain and shortness of breath. I had a video call with my PCP today and she said since there's still no fever it's most likely bronchitis. She prescribed antibiotics, and when I went to pick them up I decided to stop by my local Whole Foods which is in the same shopping plaza as the pharmacy. The Whole Foods only had one of its doors open, and there was a security guy "metering" entrance into the store. For every person that exited, another was allowed to enter. And there were yellow lines spray-painted on the side walk in 6-foot intervals for the waiting people. I can't explain why it unsettled me - the store was just trying to keep people safe - but it made me not want to go grocery shopping again until things go back to normal.  

6 hours ago, Lugal said:

Personally, I wonder how many people will now learn to cook.

One of the perks my employer offers is free breakfast, lunch, and dinner (and snacks and coffee), and a lot of employees were used to eating most of their meals at work. During the first few days of working from home, grown-ass adults with six-figure salaries were complaining that they're not used to making their own meals anymore and that the office has much better espresso than they can make at home. I wanted to virtually slap everyone on my team who was complaining, but as their manager I had to "show care" and give them pep talks instead.

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Wow. I mean, I'm not all that experienced a cook either or anything (partly because my family's lived in a lot of places that haven't had all that great of kitchen space to do much cooking), and my family eats out probably more often than we should. But if I need to learn how to cook something, I'll do it. Get the necessary ingredients and the recipe and it shouldn't be too hard. 

37 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

The Whole Foods only had one of its doors open, and there was a security guy "metering" entrance into the store. For every person that exited, another was allowed to enter. And there were yellow lines spray-painted on the side walk in 6-foot intervals for the waiting people. I can't explain why it unsettled me - the store was just trying to keep people safe - but it made me not want to go grocery shopping again until things go back to normal.  

That is unsettling, yeah. Just a stark reminder of how much and how dramatically things have changed. 

I hope you get to feeling better soon. 

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I went to the grocery store, about an hour before they closed, so we were too late to go to the main one as well (they closed at the same time). It was almost empty of shoppers, so I'll probably go back at that time again. I'm going to try to stretch out the time between visits.

My dad is out there making deliveries, and I thought his job would be safe (although I worry about him being out there). I've just read something about the post office needing help, otherwise they might shut down by June, which now has me worried again, because my dad delivers mail bags to post offices. He delivered the occasional one in Amish country, but since his job changed (the company lost the Staples contract), he had to find more work to cover the loss, so it's been mail bags and next-day-air parcels. 

I'm home almost all the time, mostly alone, which drives me crazy on a good week. Not being able to go to the bookstores, the library, a Lake Erie beach (in warm weather), a busy store/the mall, a busy farmer's market, and so on - it's already getting to me. I'm trying to suck it up, because I'm at least used to this. A lot of people aren't - they're used to being busy all week, and sending their children to school. To seeing friends, and family regularly. 

I hope to go for walks, but don't want to abuse that part of things. This is getting to me again. I'm having more trouble sleeping than ever.

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I will just say, after reading (and hearing via Twitter) the horror stories of Florida and Texas, that I have new appreciation for Governor Cuomo. He isn't perfect by a long shot, but this (Upstate) New Yorker is glad for his presence.

That said, I'm still anxious. And wondering how much worse this will get. Sigh.

Keep your chins up, all. Lord knows I'm trying.

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1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

I have new appreciation for Governor Cuomo.

A lot of people feel that way it seems.  I don't know, even when he does things I agree with (like most of what he's been doing on the Coronavirus) he has such a vibe of a supervillain in a comic book or a Bond movie - his tone of voice  reads 'why-am-I-always-surrounded-by-IDIOTS!!??????"

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12 hours ago, AgentRXS said:

I hate my county so, so much.  I am in Florida's "hot zone". Today, the county commissioners closed down all local parks. However, flights from NYC and other hot zones areas are still allowed (as long as the passengers "self-quarantine"--they won't be monitored so effective is that) and there is a cruise ship with 12 passengers that they are considering allowing to dock at Port Everglades. WTF.

I wish I could leave FL and go to a saner state so badly.

 

11 hours ago, emma675 said:

Don't come to Texas. Our idiot Lt. Governor was on tv tonight talking about how we all need to get back to living normally and the older generations should sacrifice in order to keep the country intact. I cannot believe the arrogance and stupidity. Like this only affects older people and not anyone else. 

Don't come to GA. Our idiot Governor is putting the burden on the counties and only issuing a vague shelter in place for those 65+.

I am seriously considering driving back to CA and dealing with my house later. If I hop on the 40 and drive 12 hour days I can be back in 4 days (with stops in Little Rock, Amarillo and Phoenix). I am really starting to regret buying a house at the end of last year. Not because I'm worried about the mortgage, but because I am tied to this fucking state.

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A couple of our neighbors did something very nice the other day: they rang the doorbell and asked to check on Mama. We did the whole 'social distancing' thing with them  while conversing with them but it was nice to know that they wanted to make sure she was okay due to her being elderly. I think if we can redouble on at least phoning our elderly loved ones that would be a boon in these times.

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5 hours ago, ratgirlagogo said:

A lot of people feel that way it seems.  I don't know, even when he does things I agree with (like most of what he's been doing on the Coronavirus) he has such a vibe of a supervillain in a comic book or a Bond movie - his tone of voice  reads 'why-am-I-always-surrounded-by-IDIOTS!!??????"

I live in Minnesota, and I am also impressed by him.  But I totally understand what you mean by his vibe!   Thanks for the giggle!  😂

Our governor is doing a great job, too.

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Folks: Your takes on politics and politicians are off limits in the forum. Moving forward, drop all discussion, overt and implied, of your political opinions. Continued discussion of this sort could result in warnings or closure of this topic entirely.

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1 hour ago, theredhead77 said:

I am seriously considering driving back to CA and dealing with my house later. If I hop on the 40 and drive 12 hour days I can be back in 4 days (with stops in Little Rock, Amarillo and Phoenix).

On 40 you'd pass through Flagstaff, not Phoenix.  Which would be better, since Coconino County only has 17 cases compared to 139 for Maricopa.

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In Madrid, Spain officials have begun using an Olympic-size ice rink in a shopping mall as a morgue.

On a much lighter note Olive Garden is offering an unlimited, open-ended $12.99 promotion to buy one/get one free entree. Order online or by phone. 

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I don't want to get anyone's hopes up on false pretences but, The Financial Times had an interesting article today:

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Coronavirus may have infected half of UK population — Oxford study

New epidemiological model shows vast majority of people suffer little or no illness

The new coronavirus may already have infected far more people in the UK than scientists had previously estimated — perhaps as much as half the population — according to modelling by researchers at the University of Oxford.

If the results are confirmed, they imply that fewer than one in a thousand of those infected with Covid-19 become ill enough to need hospital treatment, said Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study. The vast majority develop very mild symptoms or none at all.

“We need immediately to begin large-scale serological surveys — antibody testing — to assess what stage of the epidemic we are in now,” she said.

The modelling by Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates that Covid-19 reached the UK by mid-January at the latest. Like many emerging infections, it spread invisibly for more than a month before the first transmissions within the UK were officially recorded at the end of February.

The research presents a very different view of the epidemic to the modelling at Imperial College London, which has strongly influenced government policy. “I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” said Prof Gupta.

However, she was reluctant to criticise the government for shutting down the country to suppress viral spread, because the accuracy of the Oxford model has not yet been confirmed and, even if it is correct, social distancing will reduce the number of people becoming seriously ill and relieve severe pressure on the NHS during the peak of the epidemic.

The Oxford study is based on a what is known as a “susceptibility-infected-recovered model” of Covid-19, built up from case and death reports from the UK and Italy. The researchers made what they regard as the most plausible assumptions about the behaviour of the virus.

The modelling brings back into focus “herd immunity”, the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough people have become resistant to it because they have already been infected. The government abandoned its unofficial herd immunity strategy — allowing controlled spread of infection — after its scientific advisers said this would swamp the National Health Service with critically ill patients.

But the Oxford results would mean the country had already acquired substantial herd immunity through the unrecognised spread of Covid-19 over more than two months. If the findings are confirmed by testing, then the current restrictions could be removed much sooner than ministers have indicated.

Although some experts have shed doubt on the strength and length of the human immune response to the virus, Prof Gupta said the emerging evidence made her confident that humanity would build up herd immunity against Covid-19.

To provide the necessary evidence, the Oxford group is working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing on the general population as soon as possible, using specialised “neutralisation assays which provide reliable readout of protective immunity,” Prof Gupta said. They hope to start testing later this week and obtain preliminary results within a few days.

If this turns out to be true, it would revolutionise the way we think about this virus - most people would have nothing to fear from catching it, but a small minority would be vulnerable to increasingly serious symptoms.

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Welp, my and @Moose135's county just issued at stay-at-home order that starts at 8am tomorrow. We have 142 of the 398 statewide cases, which makes sense as the largest and most populous area in NC. The positive cases keep increasing here exponentially. We were in the 30s late last week. Granted, we are seeing more positive results because there are more tests. They are now doing drive-through testing at the speedway.

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It actually goes into effect Thursday morning, @bilgistic. I'm fortunate that I've been able to work from home for the past 10 days, and I guess I will be for the foreseeable future. GF has also been working from home, so she and Jake have been camped out at my place.

We've been pretty much following the guidelines all along, only going out to the grocery or pharmacy, and when we took a ride to the airport overlook on Saturday for a little aviation therapy, we kept our distance from the others who were there, but unfortunately not everyone was doing the same.

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More testing is better than less testing.  Only testing people who are very ill unfavorably skews the picture of what the virus is doing.  And certainly unfavorably skews the mortality rate.

Is there an antibody test to see if someone has been exposed/infected and recovered?  I can't find any information about testing except the direct test for the virus.

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19 minutes ago, bilgistic said:

Welp, my and @Moose135's county just issued at stay-at-home order that starts at 8am tomorrow. We have 142 of the 398 statewide cases, which makes sense as the largest and most populous area in NC. The positive cases keep increasing here exponentially. We were in the 30s late last week. Granted, we are seeing more positive results because there are more tests. They are now doing drive-through testing at the speedway.

If I remember correctly you are in Charlotte? My county has not yet issued this order but warnings that it is coming are being whispered. I’m in buncombe co where we only have 8 cases. They’ve shut down a majority of the parkway today because tourists were mass herding at popular waterfall spots. Most business have been closed for a little over a week now. 

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2 hours ago, Browncoat said:

More testing is better than less testing.  Only testing people who are very ill unfavorably skews the picture of what the virus is doing.  And certainly unfavorably skews the mortality rate.

Is there an antibody test to see if someone has been exposed/infected and recovered?  I can't find any information about testing except the direct test for the virus.

I remember reading something somewhere about such tests, but I can't remember where or what. It might have been that there are tests or that somebody is developing antibody tests or that there aren't any. But I definitely read something about it, so if you Google it, it's probably out there somewhere. (Sorry not to be more help. I've been doing a lot of reading of dull things for work while also giving my son schoolwork that is not actually from his school but keeps him learning -- or at least doing while his father and I work.)

On the plus side, I've lost a pound or two, probably because my house has no vending machine and my co-workers don't have bowls of candy or home baked goods that I can't stop eating.

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2 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Is there an antibody test to see if someone has been exposed/infected and recovered?  I can't find any information about testing except the direct test for the virus.

New blood tests for antibodies could show true scale of coronavirus pandemic
It’s being worked on but not available yet.

Yesterday New York announced plans to try and use plasma from recovered patients as a treatment. 

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3 hours ago, Moose135 said:

It actually goes into effect Thursday morning, @bilgistic. I'm fortunate that I've been able to work from home for the past 10 days, and I guess I will be for the foreseeable future. GF has also been working from home, so she and Jake have been camped out at my place.

We've been pretty much following the guidelines all along, only going out to the grocery or pharmacy, and when we took a ride to the airport overlook on Saturday for a little aviation therapy, we kept our distance from the others who were there, but unfortunately not everyone was doing the same.

I don't know what day it is anymore!

3 hours ago, Mountainair said:

If I remember correctly you are in Charlotte? My county has not yet issued this order but warnings that it is coming are being whispered. I’m in buncombe co where we only have 8 cases. They’ve shut down a majority of the parkway today because tourists were mass herding at popular waterfall spots. Most business have been closed for a little over a week now. 

Yes, Charlotte.

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16 minutes ago, bilgistic said:

I don't know what day it is anymore!

You and me both, Kiddo!

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34 minutes ago, bilgistic said:

I don't know what day it is anymore!

Same.  I'm trying to keep to some semblance of a work-type schedule, but it's challenging. And it's only the second day for me to work from home!  I should probably think about not turning on the TV and watching Wild Wild West while I work......

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Around our house we call this Freelancer's Disease.  I'd tell you it'll pass, but . . . it won't.

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I thought it was Wednesday pretty much up until about an hour ago.

Today was the first day in the last 10 where I didn't work 12-13 hours straight. Knock on wood, we've reached a point at my company where we're on top of things now. I actually cleaned, painted two windowsills, and did an online Pilates class. And the sun came out for the first time in 16 days.

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22 minutes ago, emma675 said:

I actually cleaned, painted two windowsills, and did an online Pilates class. 

My mom's been cleaning out her room a bit here and there lately, and she was like, "I bet by the time this is all over, everyone's houses are going to look the cleanest they've ever been." :D. 

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And the sun came out for the first time in 16 days.

Ha, yeah, it's been chilly and rainy/snowy here much of this month, and we have more rain forecast throughout the rest of this week. So if the social quarantine instructions aren't enough to force people to stay home, the weather will certainly take care of that :p. 

But looking ahead, I saw it will be 60 and sunny next Monday. So we'll see how long that lasts. 

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I finished (for now) getting the unused half of my garage in order for social use (in the future). There's room for a yoga mat, a table for my iPad and some working out. I missing weights bit during one of my walks I saw someone using a jug of laundry soap as a kettle ball. Great idea!

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I don't know if I'm allowed to link, but I'm watching a girl named Rae (Valkyrae), play Animal Crossing, on youtube. I was listening as I cooked (I finally felt good today, after sleeping well for a change, until almost 2pm - so I'm wide awake right now). I needed a netflix break. People are awake with me, and chatting to her and each other. It's just relaxing. 

I made a turmeric and orzo soup earlier (from a cookbook called The First Mess), Chicken Cacciatore (skinnytaste), is almost finished on the stove top, and the rest of the chicken thighs are in the oven, with the rest of an onion, and a few potatoes, peeled and chopped. I'm going to eat a bit of that in a little while, dad has some chicken to take to work if he wants to, and then the Cacciatore will be for dinner. The rest might go into the freezer. I wanted to get a few things made whilst I was feeling relaxed and productive, and before the chicken went off. 

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8 hours ago, Annber03 said:

My mom's been cleaning out her room a bit here and there lately, and she was like, "I bet by the time this is all over, everyone's houses are going to look the cleanest they've ever been." :D.

It won't at my house. In fact, it might look worse because we are here all the time messing it up. My husband and I are both working from home (8 hours a day) and my son is doing school (as best I can right now because the school isn't sending lessons yet; we're doing stuff from Khan Academy, but he's almost done with the stuff for his grade already). Our utilities are probably going to be higher because we're here, along with our Internet usage.

After the first week of working from home, I finally got the remote desktop stuff, so now I dial in to my work computer. It makes it easier to stop at the end of the day because I close the connection, and then I'm on my home computer and not at work.

ETA: I saw another thing on Facebook for live cams to watch if your kid gets bored. All I can think is that if my kid gets bored, he can clean his room. It certainly needs it. If he finishes that, he can clean the bathroom. And then we'll move on to other rooms. (He'll get over being bored pretty quick.)

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One thing I won't run out of anytime soon is bar soap. That's because instead of throwing out the remnants, I've saved them in bins (and heard Depression-raised father's voice of 'someday you'll need this'). I haven't gotten to the point of needing to use the cache yet but it's kind of good to know that it's there. Now, of course, I'm also hearing that same voice nag 'I TOLD you so' re the canned goods he'd saved for decades that we got rid of shortly after his death that not only took up way too much space but also sometimes were so old that they'd been made before expiration dates were required! 

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28 minutes ago, Moose135 said:

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Moose and Metric system? Where do you think you are, Canada??? 😛 

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The school bus that runs in my neighborhood has been dropping off lunches for students who need them.  I noticed today that they're playing music to alert households to their presence.  It reminded me of the ice cream truck (but different music).

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I would like a sign that indicates that I'm not working from home and that's why my lawn still looks like crap.

 

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35 minutes ago, Browncoat said:

The school bus that runs in my neighborhood has been dropping off lunches for students who need them.  I noticed today that they're playing music to alert households to their presence.  It reminded me of the ice cream truck (but different music).

"Different music"? You mean like a dirge? ☹️

 

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Because I have completed my last freelance job...
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5 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

"Different music"? You mean like a dirge? ☹️

 

Fortunately, no.  I might have heard some Led Zeppelin and other classic rock, but most of it I don't recognize, so probably popular stuff.  Definitely not typical ice cream truck music!

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I think I'm starting to lose my mind. Last night I dreamed about an "underground" beauty salon set up like a Prohibition-era speakeasy. I go there to get my nails done but get arrested for breaking stay-at-home laws before my manicure is finished. Only the nails on one hand have been painted and I'm trying not to mess up that hand as I'm getting handcuffed because the polish is still drying. All the terrible things that are happening and are about to happen, and *this* is what I dream about?!?!?

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13 minutes ago, chocolatine said:

I think I'm starting to lose my mind. Last night I dreamed about an "underground" beauty salon set up like a Prohibition-era speakeasy. I go there to get my nails done but get arrested for breaking stay-at-home laws before my manicure is finished. Only the nails on one hand have been painted and I'm trying not to mess up that hand as I'm getting handcuffed because the polish is still drying. All the terrible things that are happening and are about to happen, and *this* is what I dream about?!?!?

Last night I dreamt about getting a very terrible haircut. I think our subconscious is trying to take it easy on us right now.

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Last night I did the census, it took maybe 5 minutes.  Then I did my taxes.  Clearly I didn't have to yet but I use TurboTax anyway and at least I got something done.

Groceries coming after 5 pm.  Let's see what the store actually has in stock.  I'm really trying not to leave the building at all right now given the situation in NYC.

That moose length is pretty funny.  I've been in Newfoundland several times but only saw a moose once although it was close up in Gros Morne park.  We were told not to scare her and she went on her way. 

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We moved from NYC to rural Maine.  I think the first time we saw a moose in our yard was early morning the day after 9/11.  Much confusion ensued as my husband was trying to tell me what to look at, since he woke me from a dream I was having about a plane crashing just beyond our tree line, and I was still hysterical.  That moose has forever after been remembered as Bullwinkle bin Laden.

They are so impressive up close.  But I think two meters is conservative for a big bull moose.  They can look like an apartment building with feet.  When we still had dogs, we'd hold their muzzles closed if a moose came near the house so they wouldn't bark and set it charging through our window as we watched.

On topic:  We did a grocery pickup yesterday (bought online, items brought out to the car), and sanitizing everything took the whole rest of the day once we got home.  It's like suddenly having two full-time jobs dealing with this crap.  But we're still grateful.

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