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14 hours ago, bilgistic said:

When I was at Target today, besides people not getting what they needed and then getting the hell out of the way so others could get down the aisles while observing social distancing

This is where I stood in line to buy my toilet paper and as soon as they opened their doors the toilet paper aisle is the first place everyone headed and yeah social distancing went out the window. I was a little nervous when I was standing outside in line with my granddaughter and security came out and told us if anyone runs in the store they will be escorted out and if anyone grabs more than one pack they will be escorted out. Black Friday mobs of people knocking people down and running over them for a cheap tv ran through my mind, I almost left but I didn't because I needed toilet paper. I grabbed the first pack I saw and got the hell out of there then realized I paid almost $20 for that pack of toilet paper, more than I've ever paid for toilet paper in my life.

I envy those people that can work from home. I feel sorry for retail/fast food employees that don't have that option and are getting laid off. I feel very blessed that the school district I work for is still paying my salary even though we might not return to finish this school year.

I say FU to all those people posting on social media about doing all these activities with their kids now that they are home. Like someone posted above, it will get old fast and I'm sorry but most parents don't have time to do that so don't anyone feel bad if you're not playing with your kids just because you're home. When I was growing up parents didn't play with their kids, either you played outside all day or in your room. Parents were not your friend they were your parent. I babysit my granddaughter who is 8,  she plays with her dolls/toys, or paints or colors or draws, she entertains herself and I don't feel bad/guilty about it.

My trip to the grocery store yesterday was pretty productive the store was well stocked except for toilet paper/paper towels which I don't need since I still have the pack I bought from Target but I just don't get the whole hoarding toilet paper mentality. If people just bought their usual amount when shopping their would be enough for to go around. I hate hoarders!

   

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3 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

Then I'm going to try to learn about composting and if I can turn some of the yard waste into mulch.

Composting is easy.  There are things you can do to make it happen faster, and ratios you can maintain to produce the best possible result, but you can also literally just keep tossing food scraps and yard waste into a pile, never touch it, and you'll be composting.

I've had a composting bin for about ten years; all my food scraps other than meat (and big pits that won't break down in my lifetime) and yard waste other than big sticks and branches (which go in the yard waste bin, as the city puts them through a wood chipper) goes in there.  In the beginning, I dutifully watered and aerated.  Ever since, I just let time do the work for me, since I'm in no hurry.

I better put my recycling and yard waste bins out this week (I only put them out when they're full, and they're both about 3/4) in case my city also stops collecting them for a time.

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1 minute ago, Bastet said:

Composting is easy.  There are things you can do to make it happen faster, and ratios you can maintain to produce the best possible result, but you can also literally just keep tossing food scraps and yard waste into a pile, never touch it, and you'll be composting.

I've had a composting bin for about ten years; all my food scraps other than meat (and big pits that won't break down in my lifetime) and yard waste other than big sticks and branches (which go in the yard waste bin, as the city puts them through a wood chipper) goes in there.  In the beginning, I dutifully watered and aerated.  Ever since, I just let time do the work for me, since I'm in no hurry.

I better put my recycling and yard waste bins out this week (I only put them out when they're full, and they're both about 3/4) in case my city also stops collecting them for a time.

Does the compost smell?  

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48 minutes ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

I just don't get the whole hoarding toilet paper mentality. If people just bought their usual amount when shopping their would be enough for to go around. I hate hoarders!

Yes!  How do these folks who line up every damn morning to get their daily allotment (since stores are limiting how many of the commonly-stockpiled items customers can buy) not look at the fact the shelves are indeed restocked each morning and realize, Hey, no need to buy a year's worth at once; if I just wait and come back when I'm close to needing more (you know, like a sane person), it will be here?!

So I'm not interested in trying to come up with non-selfish reasons people are buying more than they need.  Because if everyone bought what they needed, everyone could get what they need without having to wait in line and/or visit multiple stores - thus increasing their chances of being exposed to the virus.

And I specifically do not understand most of the items being stockpiled.  Soap, hand sanitizer, disinfectant wipes -- things that actually relate to the disease?  Again, stop fucking hoarding, but at least I understand why you want to have a lot of that on hand.  But toilet paper?  Flour? 

1 minute ago, Thumper said:

Does the compost smell?

Not even when I open the bin.  That's why I don't put meat scraps in there.

Now, the little (airtight) jar I keep on my counter to put food scraps in as I cook, that smells when I open it to dump into the bin if I wait too long to do so - which I usually do, but I just hold my breath.  But the bin has slats so the materials can "breathe" but rodents can't get in --> no smell.  I put it in a location where it wasn't close to my or a neighbor's house just in case it did, but it doesn't.

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1 hour ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

When I was growing up parents didn't play with their kids, either you played outside all day or in your room. Parents were not your friend they were your parent.

A big loud YES! to this. I grew up in the late '60s early '70s and except for meals, TV time, or vacation, we hardly ever interacted with the parents and everyone was just fine. Both parents worked, but if they had been home with us, I'm pretty sure that my mom would be doing stuff around the house, hobbies or reading and my dad always had 'dad chores' to do outside in his workshop.  Us kids always went outside on weekends and summer holiday right after breakfast, made a quick return to home for lunch and came back for supper. Then, we could go back outside until well after dark (as long as we stayed in sight of the house under the streetlight across the street.  We usually just sat on our bikes and talked).  If we had to stay around the house, then we played in the yard on the swing set or played yard games (Red Rover, Red light/Green light, badminton or croquet).  Wow! This just brought back a memory of raking leaves in the fall to make outlines of a house (like a floor plan).  That was fun.  If we had to stay inside, there was TV, board games, jigsaw puzzles, coloring books and the like (anybody else remember Colorforms? 🙂 ).

I guess things are just different now. I don't know.  I don't have kids (or grandkids, nieces/nephews, etc.) so I can't really relate.  My neighbor is working from home and she has three pre-school aged children. I think her estranged husband (apparently, he's come back to live after living apart for almost a year.  I don't know if it's just temporary due to the crisis or permanent.  I don't know them well enough to ask) has been taking the kids away for the day most weekdays I guess so she can work. I'm not sure if he's working right now, so that's probably good for all of them if they can find separate (but still safe) places to be right now.

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1 hour ago, Bastet said:

Yes!  How do these folks who line up every damn morning to get their daily allotment (since stores are limiting how many of the commonly-stockpiled items customers can buy) not look at the fact the shelves are indeed restocked each morning and realize, Hey, no need to buy a year's worth at once; if I just wait and come back when I'm close to needing more (you know, like a sane person), it will be here?!

So I'm not interested in trying to come up with non-selfish reasons people are buying more than they need.  Because if everyone bought what they needed, everyone could get what they need without having to wait in line and/or visit multiple stores - thus increasing their chances of being exposed to the virus.

This is exactly how I felt about Ms. I-Am-Allowed-to-Buy-Two-Packs-of-100-Rolls-of-Paper-Towels. Other people need some, and the supply chain needs a chance to recover and catch up. Just because you're allowed to be an asshole doesn't mean you should be one, particularly during a global crisis.

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1 hour ago, Bastet said:

And I specifically do not understand most of the items being stockpiled.  Soap, hand sanitizer, disinfectant wipes -- things that actually relate to the disease?  Again, stop fucking hoarding, but at least I understand why you want to have a lot of that on hand.  But toilet paper?  Flour?

I went to the store today because we were out of milk (again), and all the toilet paper and paper towels were gone again. They had some Wednesday, but now it's gone again. I'm blaming the mayor's announcement that he is going to enact a stay-home rule next week and people panicking that they won't be able to get stuff. Except they will because going to the store to get necessities will be allowed. He specifically said so. (Also people will be able to walk or ride bikes as long as they stay far away from other people, which isn't hard here. I've walked or rode a bike almost every day and have almost never passed anyone else.)

All the flour was gone, though. There was cornmeal, but no flour. I don't know why, except that Facebook seems full of people who think that they are going to make bread since they are home now. I rather doubt they will. For this, I blame Paul Hollywood.

The good news was that the store had only two bags of one kind of English muffins (and no other English muffins), and it was exactly the kind I wanted. I only bought one bag, though, because that was all I need for the next week.

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25 minutes ago, auntlada said:

...people panicking that they won't be able to get stuff. Except they will because going to the store to get necessities will be allowed. He specifically said so.

Right.  None of these "stay home" orders are to hermetically seal yourself inside your home for a month, and good luck to you, because whatever you have on hand is what you'll have to survive on for that time.  They aren't even that grocery stores have to shift to delivery only (which would be a problem for those who can't afford the minimum, those who live in areas where stores don't offer it, etc.).  People can still go to the store (among various other essential places)!  And the stores are still restocking daily. 

People.can.get.groceries.  Even with the damage caused by hoarders, people can get groceries - maybe not exactly what they want exactly when they want it, but they'll be fine - and if the hoarders would knock it the fuck off, availability would be normal.  This is easily ascertained not just from reading the order in their own city, but looking at what life is like in places where we've been living this way for a couple of weeks already.

So any I have to stockpile enough to last me six months sentiment is not remotely rooted in reality, and I'm not going to have any sympathy for the inherent selfishness of it (or the stupidity of repeatedly risking exposing yourself/others to the thing that can actually harm you).

Shifting gears, my friend who normally "works" from home - which she only did once every couple of months or so - in bed on her laptop, meaning she actually spends most of those days napping with the cats until someone calls and wakes her up, asked me to help her put together the desk she bought.  (She's not very handy, and her husband is completely inept in that regard, so I help her with projects from time to time.)  I said no, because she'd been exposed to so many people and I do have to be around my parents occasionally over the next month(s), and she admitted the work necessary to this project was all stuff I'd taught her how to do, she just doesn't like doing it.  🙂  She still hasn't done it, but she just emailed me to say it was a good thing I didn't come over, because she's sick.  Likely just a cold, but still.

And I heard from another friend that a woman we went to high school with is in hospital being treated for COVID-19.  I don't know the specifics (my friend is getting this from Facebook, which I don't use), but she's apparently responding well.

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25 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Likely just a cold, but still.

That's the thing about this virus, unless you're tested how do you know if you have it or if it's a cold? And since most people can't get tested I wonder how many of us will get it or had it and not known because we thought it was a cold? The only testing sites I'm aware of in my area is an hour away in the city and I believe you have to have the medical insurance of the place it set up at. Which I have no medical insurance because I can't afford it from my employer if I did I wouldn't have enough take home income to live off of.

I'll tell what the people that are hoarding toilet paper are doing, go on ebay and you'll see what those aholes are doing. If I ran out and couldn't find any I would use my hand before paying those bastards/tweekers/meth heads for their overpriced toilet paper. They're not getting a dime from me.

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8 minutes ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

That's the thing about this virus, unless you're tested how do you know if you have it or if it's a cold? And since most people can't get tested I wonder how many of us will get it or had it and not known because we thought it was a cold?

What’s worse is that the symptoms vary from personal to person.  I’ve been having mild allgery-like symptoms for a couple weeks now.  Because they are on-and-off rather than constant I’m pretty sure it’s just allergies.  However, because of the uncertainty I am avoiding close contact with people.

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3 hours ago, foxfreakinmulder said:

My trip to the grocery store yesterday was pretty productive the store was well stocked except for toilet paper/paper towels which I don't need since I still have the pack I bought from Target but I just don't get the whole hoarding toilet paper mentality. If people just bought their usual amount when shopping their would be enough for to go around. I hate hoarders!

It is difficult dealing with the unknown and this whole virus issue IMO is an unknown.   I believe the whole hoarding of toilet paper was media driven from the start.  If they didn't harp on it, it would stop.

I have no clue how much toilet paper was there when the supermarket opened.  Earlier hours are for people of a certain age.  Shortly after that ended, I popped in and noticed that there was one four pack of toilet paper left and one single roll.   A man picked up a package that was on the floor and a woman customer asked him if he was going to take it.  He said no and handed it to her.   I would like to think that he was going to take it and he probably was, but he had kindness in his heart and gave it to her.

I have been composting for decades.  It isn't rocket science.  You don't even need a bin.   Just an area of the yard that can be left alone.  Toss in leaves, grass, and  rotting or discarded uncooked vegetables.   Be careful.   Composting pine needles will make the soil too acidic.   I have had tomato plants start growing in it due to me throwing in rotten tomatoes.  The seeds sowed themselves.  

 

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9 minutes ago, icemiser69 said:

I have been composting for decades.  It isn't rocket science.  You don't even need a bin.   Just an area of the yard that can be left alone.  Toss in leaves, grass, and  rotting or discarded uncooked vegetables.   Be careful.   Composting pine needles will make the soil too acidic.   I have had tomato plants start growing in it due to me throwing in rotten tomatoes.  The seeds sowed themselves. 

We used to bury our scraps out in the garden. The best tomatoes we ever had were ones that just came up. We also had surprise watermelons and pumpkins.

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5 hours ago, Moose135 said:

And they wonder why people are buying so many guns...

That scares me, too, for a whole host of reasons. But that's another topic for another place. 

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1 hour ago, icemiser69 said:

It is difficult dealing with the unknown and this whole virus issue IMO is an unknown.   I believe the whole hoarding of toilet paper was media driven from the start.  If they didn't harp on it, it would stop.

I have no clue how much toilet paper was there when the supermarket opened.  Earlier hours are for people of a certain age.  Shortly after that ended, I popped in and noticed that there was one four pack of toilet paper left and one single roll.   A man picked up a package that was on the floor and a woman customer asked him if he was going to take it.  He said no and handed it to her.   I would like to think that he was going to take it and he probably was, but he had kindness in his heart and gave it to her.

I have been composting for decades.  It isn't rocket science.  You don't even need a bin.   Just an area of the yard that can be left alone.  Toss in leaves, grass, and  rotting or discarded uncooked vegetables.   Be careful.   Composting pine needles will make the soil too acidic.   I have had tomato plants start growing in it due to me throwing in rotten tomatoes.  The seeds sowed themselves.  

 

Did the compost attract animals?  We live near a forested woods.

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I got to the grocery store less than 10 minutes after it opened.  I saw several people with toilet paper in their carts.  I went straight to that aisle as I did need some and there were 2 packages left.  I feel kind of guilty getting a 12 roll pack, but that's what they both were.  And I was getting to the point of rationing and it's just me.

Still no paper towels, wipes or gloves.  I even went to 2 grocery stores and 1 Walgreens, those didn't even have toilet paper.  So, I wound up getting 2 pair of kitchen gloves because that was basically the only choice and a roll of handi-wipes and some Mr Clean pads and sheets.  I already have a practically new bottle of Dawn Antibacterial dish soap.  Hopefully this will be sufficient until supplies are back in stock.

My Stepmother is sending me a couple of pair of gloves from her supply.  I'm wondering if I could wash those by hand of course and re-use them. 

 

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Couple of news items: Federal social distancing guidelines extended until April 30th. Normal business not expected until June 1.

Instacart workers are expected to strike tomorrow. While I am sympathetic to their goals, it might be a good day to hit the stores.

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5 minutes ago, tiftgirl said:

My Stepmother is sending me a couple of pair of gloves from her supply.  I'm wondering if I could wash those by hand of course and re-use them. 

If you're wearing gloves to protect yourself when going in public they don't do much, if any good. You're better off washing your hands with soap and water. Gloves are to protect others from the germs on your hands. If you wear gloves at store A then take them off then put them back on at store B not only do you risk touching a part of the glove that may have come in contact with COVID-19 but you are also transmitting those germs to the cart at store B
 

 

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3 minutes ago, AimingforYoko said:

Instacart workers are expected to strike tomorrow. While I am sympathetic to their goals, it might be a good day to hit the stores.

Does Instacart only handle deliveries?  I’m worried now because my 70-year-old parents depend on curbside pickup.  I really don’t want them to feel forced to going into the stores.

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38 minutes ago, Thumper said:

Did the compost attract animals?  We live near a forested woods.

Squirrels and raccoons get into mine. One spring I was tossing it and couple of baby bunnies ran out! If you get the greens/browns and moisture right, it will get super hot and it breaks down faster and the heat would keep animals out. But I've never been able to get it balanced perfectly so it gets super hot. It's a goal, but I don't know if I'll ever reach it.

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4 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

If you're wearing gloves to protect yourself when going in public they don't do much, if any good. You're better off washing your hands with soap and water. Gloves are to protect others from the germs on your hands. If you wear gloves at store A then take them off then put them back on at store B not only do you risk touching a part of the glove that may have come in contact with COVID-19 but you are also transmitting those germs to the cart at store B

 

I’m glad to see this, I haven’t been wearing gloves because they are to hard to find.  Instead, I bring a wipe into the store, wipe the cart handle, then after shopping I use a fresh wipe on my hands.  I also use soap and water when I get home, and wash/wipe down groceries that have to go in the fridge/freezer.

An errand that used to be simple...

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19 minutes ago, AimingforYoko said:

Instacart workers are expected to strike tomorrow. While I am sympathetic to their goals, it might be a good day to hit the stores.

Welp.  It sounds like my groceries may not be coming tomorrow. Wish I had heard about that before the grocery stores closed this weekend.

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21 minutes ago, Kiki777 said:

Does Instacart only handle deliveries?  I’m worried now because my 70-year-old parents depend on curbside pickup.  I really don’t want them to feel forced to going into the stores.

Most curbside pick-ups are handled in-house by the store employees.

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32 minutes ago, theredhead77 said:

If you're wearing gloves to protect yourself when going in public they don't do much, if any good. You're better off washing your hands with soap and water. Gloves are to protect others from the germs on your hands. If you wear gloves at store A then take them off then put them back on at store B not only do you risk touching a part of the glove that may have come in contact with COVID-19 but you are also transmitting those germs to the cart at store B

Thanks!  This makes sense and makes me feel better.  Since I can't find wipes or Purell type stuff I was thinking gloves, but what you said is an excellent point.

I do wash my hands first thing when I come in from being out and doing like some upthread and letting things sit in the bags since I don't have wipes and soap and water doesn't seem a good idea on cardboard but would be fine for other surfaces.

It's hard to know where to draw the line.  I told my therapist I don't know where the line is between the anxiety everyone is feeling and my anxiety disorder kicking in.  I don't want to go overboard and exacerbate my issues but I want to be a safe as one can reasonably be.

 

 

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Well, my paranoid ass went to the local Stop & Shop. I had good luck in the produce section and stocked up on fresh fruit and some salad stuff (which also includes the fruit--I love fruit in my salads!). No cleaning products. I hoped to maybe nab one can of damn Lysol, even a pocket size! And paper aisle was completely barren; I expected that but I wasn't going to hoard, I swear. I thought maybe I could get a toilet paper 4-pack and a couple of rolls of paper towels. 

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They said they restock to full shelves every night, and the first people in buy it all up immediately. 

Maybe the stores need to limit the number people can buy at once. Though that means that people will be back more often, which probably also isn't good. 

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So what is your must have before you get stabby? For me, it's chocolate.

Coffee. Even in non-pandemic times, I stash a little bit in a small jar way back in the cabinet just in case I wake up on a Saturday* and realize that I'd forgotten to pick up more after running low.

*Or any day, now that I'm working here all week for the foreseeable future.

I have no kids (and that is quite OK with me) but I have to say I'm kind of confused at the ire over other people playing with their own kids (especially now). I mean, if the social media postings of people doing so are somehow smug/snotty/judgy, I get it. But what the hell is wrong with parents engaging with their kids? Why would anyone even have them if they don't want to be with them? And why would it bother someone to know that some parents actually dig hanging out with them?

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56 minutes ago, AimingforYoko said:

Couple of news items: Federal social distancing guidelines extended until April 30th. Normal business not expected until June 1.

1 hour ago, AimingforYoko said:

Couple of news items: Federal social distancing guidelines extended until April 30th. Normal business not expected until June 1.

Without getting political, the "source" of that speech has not been particularly credible. I will listen to my governor.

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8 minutes ago, Spartan Girl said:

Without getting political, the "source" of that speech has not been particularly credible. I will listen to my governor.

Guidelines mean just that. Federal guidelines are meant to guide the states as a minimum baseline. North Dakota will be able to open up earlier than New York will. As you said, the governors set the actual rules.

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Oh, I forgot! Weirdly, all the tofu was gone from the shelves too! Well, the plain ordinary tofu, at least. I had to buy two small, already marinated packages. 

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1 hour ago, theredhead77 said:

You're better off washing your hands with soap and water

That is so true. Forget the sanitizer, just wash your hands while singing the ABC song in your head.
 

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Wants opinions here. I'm not coughing or feverish, but could have been exposed. Should I be wearing a mask even if I'm not coughing?
 

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Went shopping yesterday (because everyone has hoarded all the in store shoppers times as well), & got 1 large pkg of TP but there were only single rolls of paper towels left. Absolutely no hand sanitizer. There's still limits on items but they're not re-stocking well. Apparently deliveries are not arriving, so by the time they get stuff & re-stock it everyone gets their allotment & we're SOL again.

My cousin texted to tell me join BJ's, so I did, online, because it's not close. Of course PT's sold out online there as well. So will have to drive down there & see what they have, but if the shelves are bare I want my membership payment back since it probably won't be worth it.

Our supermarket's lettuce/veggies section was wiped out too, & our guinea pigs need their lettuce. I could only get the boxed kind which doesn't stretch & our 'little' chonkers are not happy about cutting back a bit. 

I wish everyone would calm down on the shopping panic. It would make life so much easier for all.

I found shopping so stressful, just grabbing stuff as quick as possible & moving on, passing others quickly, turning away from crowded aisles, seeing bare shelves etc. When I pass I try to stay as far to the side as possible, then walking down an otherwise empty aisle, a worker, of all people, comes toward me & is practically taking over the aisle - didn't move to the side at all & passed right next to me.

Oh & my cashier was coughing. I didn't bother looking up to see if she was using her elbow. Hopefully it was just allergies (I took my med before I left LOL).

They still have security by entry & check out, presumably for the busy opening times, because it wasn't too crowded while I was there. Only thing I do like right now is they are directing people to the best lanes.

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6 minutes ago, nokat said:

Wants opinions here. I'm not coughing or feverish, but could have been exposed. Should I be wearing a mask even if I'm not coughing?

If you're going shopping, wear a mask.    It makes other avoid you, and you get more distance from people avoiding you.       

 

Pollen season is in full swing here, so there will be plenty of coughing, sneezing, miserable people who are not contagious in stores around here.   

The bizarre thing about the stores, is that you can see what people don't want to buy.   The only paper towels were Brawny, all of the margarine is sold out, but not the butter.   The only antiseptic wipes are strange flavors, and combinations of flavors.        The only sliced bread is Wonderbread, because everything else is sold out (it freezes very well in a big freezer, not a fridge freezer).    

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1 hour ago, tiftgirl said:

It's hard to know where to draw the line.  

Yes! When we bring home groceries now, everything that is frozen or refrigerated gets wiped down & put away. Everything else sits in the bag for 5 days before we touch it, but what about the car? do we have to wipe down the car where the bags were? Do we have to wipe down the floor too? We wipe down the door knobs & handles, we wipe down the counters things have been on, at what point does it stop being reasonable precautions & become ridiculous paranoia? 

1 minute ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

The bizarre thing about the stores, is that you can see what people don't want to buy.   The only paper towels were Brawny, all of the margarine is sold out, but not the butter.   The only antiseptic wipes are strange flavors, and combinations of flavors.        The only sliced bread is Wonderbread, because everything else is sold out (it freezes very well in a big freezer, not a fridge freezer).    

Apparently we have Tostitos Chili Con Queso hoarders around here, there is none to be found.

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I'm lucky, I've worked from home exclusively for several years so I've had no transitions to make.

I did crawl out of bed early this morning so I could continue my search for paper towels.  I had wanted to try out the Dollar General near us as I know the supply trucks hit twice a day, early AM and then early afternoon.  I got there too early and they weren't open, so just to satisfy my curiosity I went on to Target.  They did have quite a few paper towels, both their brand and Bounty, so I picked up the one limit they are allowing and home I came.  I guess it is all a matter of getting into places right when they open.  

I encountered a very nice man in the aisle at Target who thanked me for saying good morning back to him - and yes we socially distanced while yapping.  He told me he was set to retire from being in security at a local school district but didn't know now due to the schools being closed, as they have no plans yet in my part of Illinois as to when they are going back if at all.  We both commiserated for the class of 2020, no prom, no senior skip day, and it's likely no grad ceremony, unless school districts hold something in the fall before school starts for the incoming year.  I commented to him (as I had here elsewhere) that people look so worried and preoccupied...and will for quite some time.


 

  

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40 minutes ago, GaT said:

Apparently we have Tostitos Chili Con Queso hoarders around here, there is none to be found.

That might be me.....

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1 hour ago, nokat said:

Wants opinions here. I'm not coughing or feverish, but could have been exposed. Should I be wearing a mask even if I'm not coughing?
 

No but you should isolate for 14 days. 

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Re: wearing gloves -- I buy nitrile gloves at Sam's because I'm the family caregiver and thus never know what I may be called upon to do. For the past couple of weeks, I put on a pair after getting out of my car but before touching anything in the store. I figure if nothing else, it helps remind me to keep my hands away from my face. It's allergy season and I have a bad habit of using the back of my hand to wipe my eyes. I carry enough gloves with me so I have a fresh pair for each stop I make. With experience, you learn how to take them off (and even put one back on) without touching the contaminated section.

I am trying to use common sense, rather than let my anxiety take over. I have been wiping down items before putting them in the fridge or freezer, leaving everything else in bags in the entryway for at least 3 days. But I am not opening containers and transferring food for storage. I've always wiped off canned goods and soda before opening, and washed produce before peeling/slicing, etc. even before cooking.

Like my pharmacist said, we will never know if we were too careful, but we'll know if we weren't careful enough.

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2 hours ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

The bizarre thing about the stores, is that you can see what people don't want to buy.   The only paper towels were Brawny, all of the margarine is sold out, but not the butter.   The only antiseptic wipes are strange flavors, and combinations of flavors.        The only sliced bread is Wonderbread, because everything else is sold out (it freezes very well in a big freezer, not a fridge freezer). 

It's kind of interesting to see what's been taken and what's left.  I know that the last time I went to WalMart, the canned veggie/fruit aisle was pretty well picked-over, but no one seemed to want the canned spinach (I don't blame them), or the French cut green beans (although the 'regular' green beans were gone). Frankly, I thought that the white bread would be the first to go and the 'fancy' 100% whole wheat bread would be left, but it seems to be the opposite (or maybe the store just stocks more white bread so that's why some was left). 

I still want to know what all of those people who bought dried beans are going to do with them after this is over, considering most of them won't go to the trouble of making a pot of beans from scratch. 

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The stuff left after being picked over is very interesting. I know what to do with beans. Soak them over night first. Will probably make black bean soup.


 

The dairy is cleaned out, and I wonder, what are you doing with all of that butter?
 

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9 minutes ago, BooksRule said:

no one seemed to want the canned spinach (I don't blame them), or the French cut green beans (although the 'regular' green beans were gone).

Good to know. I’m adding French cut green beans to my list. 
 

My main fear about getting sick is having to ask for help. My 3 adult daughters live thousands of miles away and travel is apparently no longer an option. Today 2 of my former “work daughters” texted to see how I was doing, but even they live 15 miles away. When this is over I should relocate. Or maybe the word “should” should be abolished. 

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4 hours ago, AimingforYoko said:

Instacart workers are expected to strike tomorrow. While I am sympathetic to their goals, it might be a good day to hit the stores.

I was going to have my parents use this; although they don't listen to me.  They're still running to the gas station to get milk.  "Just one item" they say.  Corona don't care whether you're buying an item or 20 I tell them.  (Of course, it matters because they're in the store for less time but I really wish they would just use a store pickup or delivery service.) I recommended Instacart but clearly that won't work.

1 hour ago, GaT said:

Everything else sits in the bag for 5 days before we touch it, but what about the car? do we have to wipe down the car where the bags were? Do we have to wipe down the floor too? We wipe down the door knobs & handles, we wipe down the counters things have been on, at what point does it stop being reasonable precautions & become ridiculous paranoia?

I'm going to have to chill a bit with my hand washing or I won't have skin left.

But as for the car, I plan to wipe down my steering wheel and any levers I touch in the car.  Whether you want to wipe down more than that will depend on where you put your groceries and what kind of material you put it on and how you use that area.  I put my groceries on seats which are cloth (so the virus doesn't live very long on it). They are only used for that but even if they were to be sat on....I feel like cloth on cloth isn't something I'm going to worry about until I hear differently.

 

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10 minutes ago, shapeshifter said:

My main fear about getting sick is having to ask for help

Please don't fear that, and ask for help. Your family will want to help, You won't want them to risk there selves but they will. Let them choose. 
 

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If any of you would like to pick up toilet paper, come to New York City!  We're dying like flies up here (about one person every nine minutes) but I have yet to see real shortages of anything like toilet paper, paper towels, cat litter, meat, bread, beans, eggs, etc. in any store I shop in.  One of the advantages of living in a place where most people live in apartments too small for serious hoarding, I suppose.  Also while we do have some of the big mega stores like Target and Whole Foods we also have thousands of small groceries, so the supplies are more spread out.

What we have a shortage of is masks, Corona tests, gloves, ventilators (and medical personnel who are trained in their use), hospital beds.........

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It's been so long since we used them that I totally blanked on it for the longest time, but it just hit me earlier that I think we still might have some hospital masks stored away somewhere in my house, from way back when my dad was sick years ago and had to be bedridden for a time and whatnot. My mom and I are going to see if we can find them, and if they're still here, we're going to donate them. 

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On 3/28/2020 at 12:27 PM, BookWoman56 said:

 

Switching pandemic annoyances here, is anyone else having trouble finding tea? I'm not much of a coffee drinker, but I do drink at least one cup of tea a day, usually English Breakfast. Yet the local stores have been out of almost all tea, brand or house, for about 3 weeks now. I'm fine on coffee supplies, as both my daughter and I have to drink decaf, but the shelves where tea normally is are largely empty. 

If you order from Amazon, search for Typhoo tea.  It's a bog standard British brand (everyone has that or PG Tips in their home).  Just make sure it's being shipped from the US, and you should get it in a couple of days (I ordered some stuff from the UK before the craziness started, and three separate orders are now a week beyond their arrival date, with no end in sight).  Be aware that British tea is much stronger than say, US Liptons.

Good luck!

(I just googled Typhoo and I see there are other US companies shipping within the US.)

 

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Can I ask a question? I'm hoping someone knows the answer.

They always talk about being careful about touching our faces because the virus enters through the mucus membranes of the mouth, nose and eyes.  But when they say don't touch the face, it sounds like they don't want us to touch the whole face, even the non-membrane parts of it.

Is the reason we're told not to touch our faces because we might accidentally touch one of these membranes?  Or are they afraid the virus will drop into one of the membranes even if we're touching our forehead, for example?

I'm just confused by it.

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43 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Can I ask a question? I'm hoping someone knows the answer.

They always talk about being careful about touching our faces because the virus enters through the mucus membranes of the mouth, nose and eyes.  But when they say don't touch the face, it sounds like they don't want us to touch the whole face, even the non-membrane parts of it.

Is the reason we're told not to touch our faces because we might accidentally touch one of these membranes?  Or are they afraid the virus will drop into one of the membranes even if we're touching our forehead, for example?

I'm just confused by it.

It is the eyes, nose, and mouth that are the most vulnerable areas of the body to viruses, but touching anywhere on your face can easily lead to touching the eyes, nose, or mouth. Plus, if germs are on your face, they might get into your eyes, nose, or mouth. Here’s one of many articles: nytimes.com/2020/03/02/well/live/coronavirus-spread-transmission-face-touching-hands.html

My kids (now aged 31-41) grew up with me nagging them to wash their hands when they came home and to not touch their eyes, nose, or mouth, and to not share drinks or eat off each other’s plates. I didn’t kiss them on their mouths either —the top of the head is always safe. We had enough serious illnesses to make me cautious. When my youngest was a newborn, 5 kids on our street got whooping cough because an office assistant in a doctor’s office had given DT shots instead of DPT shots.  I’ve finally lived long enough to be vindicated —but I wish it wasn’t because of a pandemic. 

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On 3/29/2020 at 3:12 AM, nokat said:

So what is your must have before you get stabby? For me, it's chocolate.

 

A shower, and hot tea. Company. I miss headphones working with my TV, because I used to lose myself in shows or a movie, once I'd had that shower. The headphones helped.

Although I need to cry, vent, and/or walk it off, before the rest of it. If I'm hungry, I'll go for a burrito, or something with cheese. My dad keeps me supplied with chocolate, because that can help at times, and once when I was PMS'ing, he remembers me venting, "We need some chocolate in this house!!" Sleep can also help.

I mainly need to stop getting into political arguments online. I know better, it doesn't help anything, and it might cut my stress level in half if I manage it. 

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The comment with this Facebook post was: "Boy! You try to self-quarantine and there's always that one asshole."

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