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13 minutes ago, gaPeach said:

THIS!  I think Mike has no idea how to react/handle the crap coming from Natalie.  She is very manipulative person.  We saw that from her all season.  So this "betrayal" is total BS that she came up with when her usual baby talk did not work. I don't think Mike comes across as a cheater.  He seemed unable to say much because either he has said it all already but she's not having any of it or he sees it for what it is and there is nothing there.  But then at the end he said he wish he could jump a plane and go to her...…………...er no dude.  You need to run away and fast.  But she's a Cute Kinda Crazy so she gets away with it.  Mike needs to find the boyfriend/husband she keeps comparing him to and have beer with him and see what he has to say about Natalie. Now that would make for good TV.

I assume her ex is at the bottom of a cliff after telling Natalie he might want to skip church one Sunday.  

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18 minutes ago, gaPeach said:

But she's a Cute Kinda Crazy so she gets away with it.

If it’s true she gives him sex two or three times a day he may be thinking with the wrong head.

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11 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

 

It would be nice if Jasmin could connect a bit with Blake’s friends. She does not have to like them. Just a bit of courtesy and small talk. Otherwise, find someone who will let her sip her green tea.

Sounds like they only hang out at night and in clubs or other nighttime events. Which Jasmin is not comfortable with. And if they're going to bars or clubs that's usually a low setting where it's hard to communicate with people. Plus she doesn't drink which I think would REALLY help her loosen up if she would even take a couple sips. 

I feel for her a bit. I am not comfortable in social situations so I tend to be reserved, especially around new people. And once I thought I was being friendly to my friend's new friend and then turns out the girl thought I was a total bitch because I didn't talk to her. And I thought I actually made an effort! 

11 hours ago, Adeejay said:

So, basically the silent treatments and accusations of betrayal was because Mike told Natalie that he slept on his ex-girlfriend's couch and her fiancé wasn't there?!  I am with Robert, if you know that your fiancé is extremely jealous why would you do that?

I don't even think it was an ex-girlfriend, right??? I thought he said long time friend and roommate.  I'm still curious as to what that girl said to Natalie though, which was probably a rage email after finding out that Natalie thought they slept together that night. So I can kinda see where Natalie is more upset about the situation but if she wouldn't have gotten upset about it in the first place then it would be a non-issue.

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In the last episode before the Tell Alls, it struck me as odd that when Mike contacts Natalie, she's on her side and horizontal on the bed. It's a really awkward position for a phone/video conversation but I think it was an attempt to remind him of being in bed with her and laying side by side. She was probably even on "her" side of the bed.

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Natalie is a fucking nut.  Mike, unless you are hoping for more 90 day F money, cut your loss.  No way he did anything wrong.

This show was so terrible.  They need a new host stat

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When Angela got up and ordered Michael to leave , saying that she is the reason the goofballs are on TV and she’ll get them off, the outfit she was wearing and the stringy blonde hair, brought back memories of WWF and Ric Flair. 

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9 minutes ago, iwasish said:

When Angela got up and ordered Michael to leave , saying that she is the reason the goofballs are on TV and she’ll get them off, the outfit she was wearing and the stringy blonde hair, brought back memories of WWF and Ric Flair. 

Lol! There is this Rick Flair impersonator who comes to the Florida Panthers home games. They always flash him on the Jumbotron, and we always cheer. Angela totally could be a Rick Flair impersonator. 

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I have to say Tania looked good with the girls well supported. Syngin has really great hair for a guy.

I was surprised Anny was as comported as she was. I wasn't expecting that.

 

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21 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Natalie is a fucking nut.  Mike, unless you are hoping for more 90 day F money, cut your loss.  No way he did anything wrong.

This show was so terrible.  They need a new host stat

I was streaming an old Tell All with Michelle Collins and she was interviewing Stacey.  She was hammering her:  "C'mon!  Give up the goods!  We brought you here to talk!"

I think Tania was happy Maz liked her - he is the only one.  Tania thinks she can change Syngin about kids.  She can't.  There is a play out there called "I Love You, You are Perfect, Now Change."  That could be staffed with the entire 90 Day Cast.

Robert is uber defensive. I am over Granny Porn.

Mike, run.  Now.  She flips out over you sleeping on a couch?  Be glad he slept there and was safe.  Then the cast sided with her!  Way to give her more ammo.

Blake's friends need to shut it.  I would not be in the front row for that awful music either.  I agree with @Pepper Mostly - I would be asking/requesting to go ASAP as it 2am.  Or I would not go at all.

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5 minutes ago, Lady Iris said:

I have to say Tania looked good with the girls well supported. Syngin has really great hair for a guy.

I was surprised Anny was as comported as she was. I wasn't expecting that.

 

He has the kind of hair I would love to have! 

Anny was one of the adults in the room. A Dominican girl who was brought up right! 

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11 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Natalie has been shown to be deep into Russian Orthodox teachings and has repeatedly shown a very out-dated and old-fashioned view on the gender roles in a relationship. I don't think it's that much of a leap to see how she could be offended by what happened.

 

Totally agree. I hate the way she always defers to him to answer first when she's asked questions like "What's the status of your relationship?" and "Do you love Mike?" Have your opinion and thoughts and don't be afraid to say them! 

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1 hour ago, Dmarie019 said:

Sounds like they only hang out at night and in clubs or other nighttime events. Which Jasmin is not comfortable with. And if they're going to bars or clubs that's usually a low setting where it's hard to communicate with people. Plus she doesn't drink which I think would REALLY help her loosen up if she would even take a couple sips. 

I feel for her a bit. I am not comfortable in social situations so I tend to be reserved, especially around new people. And once I thought I was being friendly to my friend's new friend and then turns out the girl thought I was a total bitch because I didn't talk to her. And I thought I actually made an effort! 

 

I am the same way in social situations. I tend to quietly feel people out. Its funny that you mentioned about being a "bitch". One time I met a old friend and his friend at a club (30+ years ago). I really liked the friend and was shy around him. Once I warmed up to him, he told me his first impression was that I was a stuck up because I wouldn't talk to him at first. 

3 minutes ago, GoGamecox said:

Totally agree. I hate the way she always defers to him to answer first when she's asked questions like "What's the status of your relationship?" and "Do you love Mike?" Have your opinion and thoughts and don't be afraid to say them! 

Natalie has some deep mental issues. Mike would be smart to stay away. 

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Jesus, the man slept on the couch of someone from the opposite gender. Why does anyone care? If your relationship is that covered in untrustworthy that this is the ultimate betrayal than your relationship is trash. Of course, he could be lying but as it has been said, why bother saying anything? It's all too damn stupid. 

Nothing here was worth the time it got. I can't even be bothered to give anymore thought to it. Onto the next show.

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9 hours ago, RealReality said:

So the fact that he still wants to be with this nutbird might signal that he enjoys this dynamic and likes being a martyr.  And I find that equally manipulative.  

Another option? Mike needs to set things up for a second Crazy Natalie season because the ca$h is too good to pass up. Sounded like he said he’s debt free now. Yeah, I (don’t) wonder how that happened.

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11 minutes ago, Racj82 said:

Jesus, the man slept on the couch of someone from the opposite gender. Why does anyone care?

No kidding.  Like who the hell cares, right?  Natalie and her asking Mike the question that the host just asked her is annoying.  She wants him to answer first so she can contradict him or argue or act helpless.  (I am guessing)  You don't trust him at all, do you?

Blake, drop the blue contacts, you look weirder than you usually do.  

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2 minutes ago, Pepper Mostly said:

Anny behaved like a lady. So she probably won't be asked back for Happily Ever After. She was also the most beautiful woman there, by a long shot.

I agree, unless Robert does something stupid. I agree, she is a very beautiful woman. 

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26 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

No kidding.  Like who the hell cares, right?  Natalie and her asking Mike the question that the host just asked her is annoying.  She wants him to answer first so she can contradict him or argue or act helpless.  (I am guessing)  You don't trust him at all, do you?

Blake, drop the blue contacts, you look weirder than you usually do.  

Exactly.  It's always a trap.  As soon as Mike started to answer she contradicted him.

Like girl, if you want to tell the story so bad tell the story......or let him tell the story. Can someone just tell the story?

But her constant interjections about vague grievances while he is trying to tell the story was weird.  

All we really got out of Natalie was that the friend sent her a letter (?) saying that Mike wouldn't marry her. 

This was, I believe, her attempt to imply that something untoward happened. 

But, to me, if I were in the friends shoes I would be pissed that I had basically been accused of being the type of person who would sleep with someone in a relationship, that I was the type of person who would ruin my friends relationship, that I was the type of person who would cheat on my fiance, that I was the type of person who would do so the day before my wedding and I'd be annoyed that my friend, who I love like a brother, is getting raked over the coals by this woman who is BAD NEWS.  I'd tell crazy ass Natalie to take a flying leap too.  It doesn't mean that something bad happened. 

Of course at that point, the fucking peanut gallery (aka Robert and Tania) wouldnt shut the hell up so we couldn't hear more about the circumstances surrounding the "letter"

I suspect Natalie went bananas, confronted the friend, caused a ruckus and the friend was righteously pissed, for a number of reasons.  

But we couldn't get to that because Tania couldn't stand that she wasn't the center of the entire world for a nanosecond.  

 

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5 minutes ago, RealReality said:

But, to me, if I were in the friends shoes I would be pissed that I had basically been accused of being the type of person who would sleep with someone in a relationship, that I was the type of person who would ruin my friends relationship, that I was the type of person who would cheat on my fiance, that I was the type of person who would do so the day before my wedding and I'd be annoyed that my friend, who I love like a brother, is getting raked over the coals by this woman who is BAD NEWS.  I'd tell crazy ass Natalie to take a flying leap too.  It doesn't mean that something bad happened. 

Was it the night before the friend was getting married?  Or did I dream that part?  What I gleaned was:  Night before a female friend's wedding, she is the bride, groom is someplace else and Mike was drunk and slept on a couch in that female's home.  And Natalie is accusing them of less than honorable behavior?  Before I unload someone needs to verify this.

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19 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Was it the night before the friend was getting married?  Or did I dream that part?  What I gleaned was:  Night before a female friend's wedding, she is the bride, groom is someplace else and Mike was drunk and slept on a couch in that female's home.  And Natalie is accusing them of less than honorable behavior?  Before I unload someone needs to verify this.

Yes!

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2 hours ago, Spike said:

If it’s true she gives him sex two or three times a day he may be thinking with the wrong head

And Mama’s downstairs hoping for a Golden Grandchild. 

You realize they are leaving the door open for another season with Mike, Natalie, Babushka and Bojangles! 

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Blake’s friends need to back off.  If my fiancé was rapping badly in a mask, I’d hide under the table.  At least Jasmin watched it and pretended to like it.  And I don’t like his friends either and wouldn’t want to spend time with them, too.

Michael’s goofball friends seem to really care about him.  And they are right, Angela is trashy. 

Angela needs to lay off the lust love story nonsense.  No one believes it. 

Did I hear Michael’s visa was denied because of Angela’s daughter Skylar?

Natalie is nuts.   

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Re: the Natalie/Michael "betrayal," I'm with everyone else here saying WTF. So Michael isn't allowed to have any female friends, including the ones he already had before he met Natalie? RUUUUUUUUUUUN back to Sequim, boy.  But just for clarification, I thought I heard Natalie say that the groom called off the wedding because he thought that his bride to be had sex with Michael on the night before their wedding. That would tend to give credence to Natalie's suspicion except for the fact that Michael obviously told her about it, which he wouldn't have done if the story involved him cheating on Natalie with a girl who was going to marry someone else the next day. I doubt that he'd even broach the subject if that was what happened. Nevertheless, the bottom line is that Natalie doesn't trust Michael, so they should just part ways (but they won't, because they're both bonkers).

Angela cracks me up with what a total caveman she is. That she got up out of her seat and rushed the monitor with 'the goofballs' on it made me laugh so much. Even Loren mentioned on Pillow Talk that Angela was trying to pull those guys out through the TV. Angela's attempt to channel that old Cosby bit where he tells his kids, "I brought you into this world, I'll take you out" when talking to Michael's friends was just beyond pitiful. Angela appears to believe she's a celebrity and that Michael's friends are coattail riders basking in her reflective glory. The truth is that Angela is trashy. She seemed to believe that calling herself the "classiest trashy bitch" somehow vindicated her, rather than validated the assertion that she's trashy.

What was up with Robert getting all mouthy and butting in to the Michael/Natalie thing? It was as if Robert had never dealt with crazy chicks before. Just because she's crying and "seems hurt" doesn't mean that something happened to cause her to come off as hurt. She seems to have decided something bad happened and without any real basis for it, came to the conclusion that Michael is the kind of guy who would cheat on her with a woman who was marrying some other guy the next day. Angela too - where does she get off giving advice as if her own relationship has been oh-so successful. Sadly, Michael was too vapid to recognize that advice from someone whose life is a dumpster fire is best left untaken and he vowed to go back to Ukraine to continue his doomed, toxic relationship with Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

 

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For anyone who hasn’t noticed the first hour of Before the 90 Days is available on demand and they seem to have better casting this time lol.

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Big Mike will be on Natalie’s leash for the rest of his life. If he has cows on his farm, they may be better company. Until she deals with her stuff, there is no happy ending with him.

These days, you do not let someone who is drunk drive home. Or a snowstorm, especially in a rural area. 

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If Big Mike is dumb enough to go get the bunny boiler, and I think he might be. I've seen enough of these two and I don't need to see another spinoff. What are they going to call it? 90 Day Fiance: Miserable Ever After?

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3 hours ago, Dmarie019 said:

Sounds like they only hang out at night and in clubs or other nighttime events. Which Jasmin is not comfortable with. And if they're going to bars or clubs that's usually a low setting where it's hard to communicate with people. Plus she doesn't drink which I think would REALLY help her loosen up if she would even take a couple sips. 

I feel for her a bit. I am not comfortable in social situations so I tend to be reserved, especially around new people. And once I thought I was being friendly to my friend's new friend and then turns out the girl thought I was a total bitch because I didn't talk to her. And I thought I actually made an effort! 

I don't even think it was an ex-girlfriend, right??? I thought he said long time friend and roommate.  I'm still curious as to what that girl said to Natalie though, which was probably a rage email after finding out that Natalie thought they slept together that night. So I can kinda see where Natalie is more upset about the situation but if she wouldn't have gotten upset about it in the first place then it would be a non-issue.

Maybe Blake can find some activity for his friends to spend time with Jasmin that do not involve his gigs. Have them over for lunch or a more calm setting. It will take time. Jasmin is not who Blake’s fans are paying to see.

i am an introvert. Part of my former job involved some social functions with the program’s students. Sometimes a dinner or a bar night. Most were nice people but there was the student/staff dynamic. It was awkward at times - you had to watch your behaviour. I did not feel that I really fit in. Once they finish, the dynamic is different and they are easier to spend time with. Jasmin and Blake’s friends may have to try some different things.

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2 hours ago, Zevious Zoquis said:

It's uncomfortable watching Angela's antics.  She makes me embarrassed...for humanity!  

She is the very definition of an Ugly American.

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11 hours ago, Bazinga said:

I feel Natalie is manipulative and passive aggressive.  She was losing Mike, so she flipped the script and found something to make herself the victim that he had to apologize to.  Just like with her childlike behavior and using sex, she was looking to manipulate Mike into doing what she wants as to religion, having a baby, and wanting her to come to the US.  This "betrayal" happened a year ago.  Would that not be before his Ukraine trip when she still wanted him?  As things went south due to her being difficult about accepting what he was willing to agree to as to believing in God, a particular faith, and having an immediate baby, seeing that she was losing Mike, Natalie tried pouting, holding back saying whether she loved him, baby talk, throwing the ring back at him, originally not going to the airport, all of which didn't work, until she found something she could use against him.  Something so horrible she couldn't even talk about it.  She turned the other cast members to her side as the teary eyed, needy, betrayed, victim based on something ridiculous blown out of proportion.  You lied that the groom was going to be there!!!!  No, not a lie, he was supposed to be there but didn't come.  Mike's stoicism  doesn't help him win the argument, so she is successful and he is still hooked trying to explain to her, which she will eventually accept to get her way, though she will hold this betrayal over him for the rest of their relationship.

You are incompatible as to religious beliefs, how you feel on the subject is important to each of you, nobody is willing to change position, so find someone you are compatible with and end the relationship because it is not workable. 

All of this. You know, I think I understand where Mike is coming from in terms of his views on religion. He said last night that he believes that there is life out there on other planets besides earth, and that he believes in a higher power. So he is not an atheist, but an agnostic. He doesn’t necessarily believe that ET is going to land on his property in Sequim any time soon. But he does not articulate this very well, and Nat doesn’t let him finish a sentence. She may as well have cotton balls in her ears and I don’t think she would get it or accept it even if she heard what he was trying to say. He just looks so beaten down and bewildered. These two need to pull the plug on this relationship. I hope he has some friends at home that can talk some sense into him.

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I am going to stream the last part of the Tell All to get exactly what Natalie said about the situation.  If I were the female friend I would be pissed that people are thinking I was fooling around with a drunk male who is not my fiance the night before my wedding.

Edited to add:  Natalie can shut it over her holier than thou religious stuff.  I identify as a Lutheran but I don't flap my gums about it, I never talk about it and I am married to man with zero interest in religion.  Guess what?  We don't tell each other what to believe.  If I head to church, I head alone.  No biggie.  If there is a wedding or a funeral in a church he respects what is happening (prays, sings, etc) as he was raised that way.  My hubs has more of a servant's heart than Natalie so again, she can shut her Dorito hole.

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34 minutes ago, lizajane said:

All of this. You know, I think I understand where Mike is coming from in terms of his views on religion. He said last night that he believes that there is life out there on other planets besides earth, and that he believes in a higher power. So he is not an atheist, but an agnostic. He doesn’t necessarily believe that ET is going to land on his property in Sequim any time soon. But he does not articulate this very well, and Nat doesn’t let him finish a sentence. She may as well have cotton balls in her ears and I don’t think she would get it or accept it even if she heard what he was trying to say. He just looks so beaten down and bewildered. These two need to pull the plug on this relationship. I hope he has some friends at home that can talk some sense into him.

Weren’t the founding fathers Deists who believed in the clockmaker theory?  That God created the world and set things in motion but does not monitor things or respond to prayers?  If that is what Robert is trying to articulate it is not that far out.  Less far out than believing someone walked on water, was immaculately conceived and rose from the dead lol.

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3 minutes ago, Spike said:

Weren’t the founding fathers Deists who believed in the clockmaker theory?  That God created the world and set things in motion but does not monitor things or respond to prayers?  If that is what Robert Mike is trying to articulate it is not that far out.  Less far out than someone walked on water, was immaculately conceived and rose from the dead lol.

FIFY. I personally don't think it's far out at all.

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14 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Jasmine and Blake did socialize with his friends a couple of times not in a bar or club, but she was a cold fish then too. She wasn’t even that happy at her own wedding. Maybe, she had something else on her mind.

Maybe it is all the filler, Botox or whatever work she has done to her face has caused her to have a permanent flat affect appearance????

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1 hour ago, Frozendiva said:

i am an introvert. Part of my former job involved some social functions with the program’s students. Sometimes a dinner or a bar night. Most were nice people but there was the student/staff dynamic. It was awkward at times - you had to watch your behaviour. I did not feel that I really fit in. Once they finish, the dynamic is different and they are easier to spend time with. Jasmin and Blake’s friends may have to try some different things.

I am so introverted I was vomiting from nerves the day of my  mother's funeral last month. I have a hard time being the "host". Even when I have had people I know come over to my home for a meal or something, I get nerves. 

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16 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I am so introverted I was vomiting from nerves the day of my  mother's funeral last month. I have a hard time being the "host". Even when I have had people I know come over to my home for a meal or something, I get nerves. 

I clean my house before I let a repairman in lol.

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4 minutes ago, Spike said:

I clean my house before I let a repairman in lol.

I do that too.  I also vacuum the entire place.  And I make sure to have bottled water on hand so I can offer it to them.  I'm not going to have someone shittalking about my messy place or poor manners on Reddit. LOL

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37 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I am so introverted I was vomiting from nerves the day of my  mother's funeral last month. I have a hard time being the "host". Even when I have had people I know come over to my home for a meal or something, I get nerves. 

my condolences   

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5 hours ago, Dmarie019 said:

I don't even think it was an ex-girlfriend, right??? I thought he said long time friend and roommate.  I'm still curious as to what that girl said to Natalie though, which was probably a rage email after finding out that Natalie thought they slept together that night. So I can kinda see where Natalie is more upset about the situation but if she wouldn't have gotten upset about it in the first place then it would be a non-issue.

Maybe the friend saw what a nut job Natalie is and made it sound like more physical than it was so that Natalie will decide to break up with him.  She was doing it to save her friend because he's too entranced by her beauty (not) to realize he needs to dump her.

5 hours ago, Scout Finch said:

In the last episode before the Tell Alls, it struck me as odd that when Mike contacts Natalie, she's on her side and horizontal on the bed. It's a really awkward position for a phone/video conversation but I think it was an attempt to remind him of being in bed with her and laying side by side. She was probably even on "her" side of the bed.

i think she was in what she considered her seductive pose 

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57 minutes ago, cinsays said:

Maybe the friend saw what a nut job Natalie is and made it sound like more physical than it was so that Natalie will decide to break up with him.  She was doing it to save her friend because he's too entranced by her beauty (not) to realize he needs to dump her.

i think she was in what she considered her seductive pose 

I have a feeling it went something like this:

party night happened/ mike slept on couch

next morning/day mike and natalie talk and natalie asks how the night went

Mike stupidly told her that he got too drunk and decided to sleep on the couch

natalie went nutso

mike vented to good friend about his girlfriend going nutso and accusing them of sleeping together

good friend got super pissed because no way would she cheat on her fiance the night before her wedding, dm'd natalie where two scenarios could have happened:

1. good friend tried to explain what happened to natalie to reassure her that nothing happened, trying to be a good friend and making natalie and mike ok. natalie would have none of it so friend got pissed

2. friend was just pissed and went at her

 

Then I think Natalie's version of "she told mike would not marry me...." was actually more of "she told mike SHOULD NOT marry me..." 

probably like "mike should not marry a jealous psycho nutso like yourself" 

 

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3 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Maybe Blake can find some activity for his friends to spend time with Jasmin that do not involve his gigs. Have them over for lunch or a more calm setting. It will take time. Jasmin is not who Blake’s fans are paying to see.

 

Good idea.

She can't get Blake to share in the things she likes, like yoga, but maybe she could draft his friends.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Dmarie019 said:

I have a feeling it went something like this:

party night happened/ mike slept on couch

next morning/day mike and natalie talk and natalie asks how the night went

Mike stupidly told her that he got too drunk and decided to sleep on the couch

natalie went nutso

mike vented to good friend about his girlfriend going nutso and accusing them of sleeping together

good friend got super pissed because no way would she cheat on her fiance the night before her wedding, dm'd natalie where two scenarios could have happened:

1. good friend tried to explain what happened to natalie to reassure her that nothing happened, trying to be a good friend and making natalie and mike ok. natalie would have none of it so friend got pissed

2. friend was just pissed and went at her

 

Then I think Natalie's version of "she told mike would not marry me...." was actually more of "she told mike SHOULD NOT marry me..." 

probably like "mike should not marry a jealous psycho nutso like yourself" 

 

I agree with you, however:  Why would you even need to explain nothing happened?  I would have asked Mike to shut HIS Dorito hole on where he slept.  Why bring the drama?  If Natalie asked me directly "Did Michael sleep on your couch?" I would say yes and stop talking.  If she asked me if something happened I would replay "I was getting MARRIED the next day, don't insult me."  If she goes from zero to sixty I would have told Mike you need to cut and run, brother.

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