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After eight seasons, and the launch of countless superheroes, the series wraps up the story of the Green Arrow.

 

 

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As for series finales go, this was all over the place, with more meh than yay.  There's still a lot of stuff unanswered especially about Dinah and won't be until Green Arrow gets the go ahead.

 

Then Olicity happened one. last. time.  And I'm tearing up.

 

Oliver Queen, you sort of saved the city, the multi verse.  Didn't really save your series ending which should have ended last season.  You did save the DCTV for the CW for years though, so that's a plus. 

Aside: my brother reminded me that the Green Lantern series is happening for HBO Max so I guess we see John end up there at some point. 

 

 

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I put this in live thread but:

I'm confused. Are the resurrected people from other Earths or are they the original ones? Because they are acting like they are all interchangeable.

And I thought Dinah was in 2040 in the last episode.

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Just now, calliope1975 said:

That was terrible, but I'm still going to miss this stupid show. 

Same and same. What I saw of the last scene was nice - until the local affiliate cut in over the rest of it with a Blackish commercial, thank you for the final middle finger CW, I will never watch your dumb channel again!

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For the most part there was a lot of wasted story in this finale. Why did we have to have the whole William subplot? They could've skipped that and just focus on how Oliver impacted everyone's lives. We start out with a documentary style thing only to throw it out the window for the remainder of the episode. 

 

Laurel goes out the way she's been treated this entire series...as the blacksheep of Arrow, never really fitting real. I really wanted a scene with her Lance/Sara and would've been great to see a married Tommy/Laurel. And she doesn't even get a real ending like the rest of the series regulars did. 

Arrow in general went out in a very Arrowy way...I always had high hopes for them even though I knew how it'd likely go and they always went...how I knew they'd likely go...for the most being let down. 

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Just now, apinknightmare said:

Same and same. What I saw of the last scene was nice - until the local affiliate cut in over the rest of it with a Blackish commercial, thank you for the final middle finger CW, I will never watch your dumb channel again!

The last scene was great and the only one to really get an emotional reaction out of me. SA still has really great heart eyes.

 

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That was uneven as hell, but that last scene hit me right in the gut, and I am now searching for those damn onions someone left around here. For better or for worse, we have been with this show for a LONG time, and seeing it go is tough.

So long, and thanks for all the warehouses. 

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For your rewatching purposes. Will be back to post GIFs for the last time ever later on. Sniff.

 

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Just now, Writing Wrongs said:

And I thought Dinah was in 2040 in the last episode.

She mentioned she was magically and mysteriously transported to 2040 after Oliver's funeral so it hadn't happened yet. 

Oliver went back and saved people from his Earth/the merged Earth Prime except Laurel. So they're all the people he remembers and remember him. 

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This was very much like COIE to me...the saving graces were the little character crossover moments: Barry/Kara showing up, Sara/Quentin, Sara/Nyssa/Talia, Laurel/Tommy, The entire Queen family (though they really couldn't have Felicity/Moira interact? lol). But SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many missed opportunities. Mia doesn't even get to react to seeing her grandmother.

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3 minutes ago, Soulfire said:

For your rewatching purposes. Will be back to post GIFs for the last time ever later on.

 

THANK YOOOOOOOU! 🥰🥰

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That was messy and rushed, too much of the reset was unexplained, I hate that they basically confirmed that Oliver didn’t pick up the phone once in S8 to call his wife and tell her their adult kids had time travelled to the present, and I still don’t know the point of those Oliver/Diggle flashbacks. But...the last 10 mins sold it for me. From the second Mia approaches Felicity right through to Oliver’s last line, I was tearing up.

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2 minutes ago, calliope1975 said:

That was terrible, but I'm still going to miss this stupid show. 

Thank God. I thought I would be the only one who thought this. I mean, WTF was that? That Wild Dong is “the most like Oliver”? FUCK THAT NOISE.

But... ANATOLY!!!!!🥰🥰🥰

And Green Lantern!!!

1 minute ago, apinknightmare said:

Same and same. What I saw of the last scene was nice - until the local affiliate cut in over the rest of it with a Blackish commercial, thank you for the final middle finger CW, I will never watch your dumb channel again!

I KNOW!!! I thought it was my new teevee acting up again, but nope. So I’m left wondering-Are Oliver and Felicity in some kind of...time bubble?

At least he shaved, so, yay?

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5 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

She mentioned she was magically and mysteriously transported to 2040 after Oliver's funeral so it hadn't happened yet. 

That's what is confusing. It seemed like Mia was remembering William's kidnapping from the future and referencing it to Dinah. Wasn't that after the Canary Caper of 2040?

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If Oliver can't raise his baby and son with Felicity then reuniting in the paradise dimension with his eternally hot young Felicity is really not a bad end at all!

So what happens there? Are there groceries? Is it like the Good Place but not run by demons? Are there other people? Can they get pregnant from all the sexy times I assume they will have? 

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First of all, LOVE that Oliver and Felicity get eternity together. We really struck gold with those two. But the finale needed more of them together somehow. 

What we should have gotten: more Felicity/Mia, more Felicity/Diggle, more Felicity/Sara, even just one Felicity/William scene, maybe Felicity/Rory... I guess I should be happy that Felicity and Tommy finally stood near each other?

Loved Diggle's eulogy. Liked the hint about his future ... if we get to see it! 

The explanation for E2 and not E1 Laurel MAKES NO SENSE. They even had E1 Laurel's father say he prefers NOT HIS DAUGHTER to his own daughter? 

We didn't need the William-gets-kidnapped again plot — especially since we didn't even get a Felicity/William reunion out of it! We needed more character moments like we got at the end of the episode. 

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Honestly, that was GARBAGE. The pacing was atrocious, the plot was a mess. They spent more time rounding off stories for characters who almost ruined the show back in S6. I felt like it was a waste of time.

The only moment I felt something was when we saw 2040 Felicity saying she'd waited a long time to see him (the scene from 722) and the Olicity scene was really sweet but far too short.

Not enough Felicity, not enough Oliver. No honoring of OTA. Just yikes.

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8 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

Oliver went back and saved people from his Earth/the merged Earth Prime except Laurel. So they're all the people he remembers and remember him. 

But that wasn't his mother who died, that was a Moira from somewhere else. Same for Tommy. But Thea is acting like that Moira is her mom. So are they just interchangeable now?

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2 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

That's what is confusing. It seemed like Mia was remembering William's kidnapping in the future and referencing it to Dinah. Wasn't that after the Canary Caper?

Yeah Mia came to the past before Dinah was transported to the future. Her past of the last few weeks is still in Dinah's future. They're in two different time streams/personal timelines right now. Dinah hasn't yet met Mia in the future, that's the stuff Sara had warned her about talking to Dinah about. 

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1 minute ago, Writing Wrongs said:

But that wasn't his mother who died, that was a Moira from somewhere else. Same for Tommy.

It’s a new timeline but the same people. Oliver basically arranged for some do-overs: Moira and Tommy don’t die, the mansion doesn’t burn down, Emiko is good, and Sara Diggle is back. 

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2 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

Yeah Mia came to the past before Dinah was transported to the future. Her past of the last few weeks is still in Dinah's future. They're in two different time streams/personal timelines right now. Dinah hasn't yet met Mia in the future, that's the stuff Sara had warned her about talking to Dinah about. 

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3 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

But that wasn't his mother who died, that was a Moira from somewhere else. Same for Tommy. But Thea is acting like that Moira is her mom. So are they just interchangeable now?

This is Prime Moira, we are (supposed to be) living in a "new Earth". The past changed, just everyone apparently gets to remember a pre-Crisis world and have two set of memories, one that is never addressed.

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Whelmed.

6 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

I put this in live thread but:

I'm confused. Are the resurrected people from other Earths or are they the original ones? Because they are acting like they are all interchangeable.

The one consistent through-line of this show — they couldn’t possibly abandon it right at the end.

 

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7 minutes ago, Writing Wrongs said:

That's what is confusing. It seemed like Mia was remembering William's kidnapping from the future and referencing it to Dinah. Wasn't that after the Canary Caper of 2040?

The events of last episode already happened for Mia while still in the future for Dinah and Siren. That’s how she’s able to attend the funeral and be in the episode. 

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They didn't need poor William being kidnapped for the 100th time - it didn't even result in anything good. No conversations about him having a sister, no reunion with Felicity, no seeing what his relationship was like with this Moira. I wish they'd scrapped the whole dumb storyline and really spent the last hour mourning Oliver and setting up the new changes.

Although I guess I'm not surprised to be let down one last time. Prochnost, you dumb show!

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Just now, Primal Slayer said:

This is Prime Moira, we are (supposed to be) living in a "new Earth". The past changed, just everyone apparently gets to remember a pre-Crisis world and have two set of memories, one that is never addressed.

This is the problem. They didn't have enough time to do this. Should've been two hours, then they could've included the William kidnapping in part of it, addressed post-Crisis stuff, and honored Oliver — and other aspects of the series. 

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1 minute ago, kickingnames said:

The one consistent through-line of this show — they couldn’t possibly abandon it right at the end.

Except for the Nazis, They made sure the Nazis were totally separate assholes. Other asshole/murderous but less Nazi doppelgangers were interchangeable however. 

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2 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

They didn't need poor William being kidnapped for the 100th time - it didn't even result in anything good. No conversations about him having a sister, no reunion with Felicity, no seeing what his relationship was like with this Moira. I wish they'd scrapped the whole dumb storyline and really spent the last hour mourning Oliver and setting up the new changes.

I suppose we might find out about that if the spin off is picked up. The fic will be amazing at least.

It is kind of what I feared, the series went AU and we have no time to deal with it and the writers pat themselves on the back because they brought back so many characters for nostalgia and don't even have to explain it. They're all Oliver's actual friends/family with Prime memories though not like in Batwoman or Supergirl I think, my feed wasn't brilliant. 

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1 minute ago, Featherhat said:

It is kind of what I feared, the series went AU and we have no time to deal with it and the writers pat themselves on the back because they brought back so many characters for nostalgia and don't even have to explain it.

It didn't even feel nostalgic because the people they brought back were barely in it and we didn't get any of the interesting interaction I would've wanted from anyone. Emiko/Moira could've been interesting but it was all so...just boxes for them to check off. 

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I'm going to assume that they didnt get the rights to Green Lantern because MG should know that the rings dont come in boxes....there is a whole speech that goes along with it..

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I appreciate that Oliver's been thinking so much about reuniting with Felicity that he had the exact room and outfit picked out for her. 

OK writers - I expect a dozen PWP starting from that last scene when I wake up tomorrow. 😁

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4 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

It didn't even feel nostalgic because the people they brought back were barely in it and we didn't get any of the interesting interaction I would've wanted from anyone. Emiko/Moira could've been interesting but it was all so...just boxes for them to check off. 

Oh yeah not disagreeing. A lot was unsatisfying and I wish it had been two hours or even on par with some of the "lets just chuck plot out the window and concentrate on emotions" they had going in some eps this season. But it could have been a lot worse for me. I admit whilst I would have done it differently the Olicity scene made up for a lot.

But they aren't the only thing I care about and I have about 500 other relationships I wish ended on a better/more satisfying note. And would have been better set up for if the spin off actually does go to series. 

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What was with that weird cringe-y scene where LL is crying about E1 LL not coming back? And Quentin saying nothing about her needed changing. I laughed. WTF was that???

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2 minutes ago, calliope1975 said:

I appreciate that Oliver's been thinking so much about reuniting with Felicity that he had the exact room and outfit picked out for her. 

OK writers - I expect a dozen PWP starting from that last scene when I wake up tomorrow. 😁

He had twenty years to obsessively plan it down to the finest details!

I just adore that he had her looking like when they first interacted and with the pen right there! The one good consistent thing about Arrow was always how smitten Oliver Queen is with Felicity Smoak. Until the very end and beyond life and death. 

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The big sigh SA gave when he finally hugged her after all this time. I felt that.  

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2 minutes ago, Trisha said:

The big sigh SA gave when he finally hugged her after all this time. I felt that.  

I was like yes, same and felt a calm wash over me until a clip of Blackish started playing over it

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I didn't mind the William kidnapping subplot because it gave a coherence to something that would have otherwise been call backs and sadz but it really should have been 2 hours long to properly explain everything and have enough of the new re-made scenes from earlier seasons.

Loved that Nyssa considers Sara to be her beloved (not an Ava fan). I like that Mia got to tell Felicity that Oliver trained her on how to be a hero. Presumably after Nyssa had trained her how to fight.

Still resent Kara and even Barry being there.  As @Lantern7 said, there must have been a cut scene of Barry apologizing to Sara Diggle.

I will re-watch and have more to say later. Mostly I'm just sad that it is all over.

38 minutes ago, Featherhat said:

She mentioned she was magically and mysteriously transported to 2040 after Oliver's funeral so it hadn't happened yet.

But Dinah said in 2040 that all trace of her existence had been erased. After she was transported?  Doesn't make sense.

34 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I KNOW!!! I thought it was my new teevee acting up again, but nope. So I’m left wondering-Are Oliver and Felicity in some kind of...time bubble?

In the Paradise dimension. Oliver told Felicity that he wanted to meet her again where he had first seen her. Felicity said that that would have been 7 floors down in the IT department, not his mother's office, and Oliver replied that they had all the time in the world for him to explain.

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So they go through with this funeral....only for Sara to be like "you know....it isnt right that adult Mia doesnt get to be there to see her father laid to rest..." so essentially Sara lives through this funeral twice....is William's kidnapping due to Sara changing the timeline ever so slightly? 

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17 minutes ago, Trisha said:

The big sigh SA gave when he finally hugged her after all this time. I felt that.  

When Oliver said "Glad you could finally make it" he was all of us. 

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OK, I'm confused.  Was that Lyla that ended up with Oliver or Felicity?  Why is Oliver's heaven his office? 

EDIT: Oh, my God!  It just hit me we're never going to see Felicity again!  I don't want Felicity to go!  I don't want Felicity to go!

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I'm not even going to try to make sense of how COIE has changed realities on any Arrowverse shows anymore.  I thought the other shows had established that there were a few strays from the other Earths who were somehow thrust to this Earth when crisis occurred, sort of like some intergalactic hobos who caught the last train out of town.  Tonight, it seemed like crisis had the ability to resurrect the dead (subject to the portrayer's availability, apparently).  Oh well, I'll just go with it.

Still, all can be forgiven for that final scene.

Good bye, show.  I enjoyed you more often than not.  It was a good ride.   

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56 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said:

This is Prime Moira, we are (supposed to be) living in a "new Earth". The past changed, just everyone apparently gets to remember a pre-Crisis world and have two set of memories, one that is never addressed.

More specifically, everyone on Arrow gets to remember a pre-Crisis world and have two sets of memories - or at least gets told about it. The non-superheroes/documentary filmmakers on Batwoman, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow seem mostly clueless. 

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I still don't really understand how there isn't a Prime Oliver....he was able to make this new Earth with new history but he still turns into the Spectre and kind of lives outside of the timeline? This Oliver should still have a body?? that is dead?? but Oliver's soul is kind of like The Spectre? 

And why are they hellbent on making everyone's secret identities known? And is E2 Laurel still having to use E1 Laurel's identity? Does Star City know that Laurel is dead or is she thought to be alive? 

1 minute ago, quarks said:

More specifically, everyone on Arrow gets to remember a pre-Crisis world and have two sets of memories - or at least gets told about it. The non-superheroes/documentary filmmakers on Batwoman, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow seem mostly clueless. 

I dont understand why Moira had to know about Pre-Crisis timeline....just why? I feel like everyone knows about Pre-Crisis because they all seem to know that Oliver is the reason why this new world exists???

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After following along in the live thread  I expected to hate the episode, but I’m surprisingly fine with it? Maybe my expectations were super low. I don’t know. There were about a dozen interactions I would have loved to have seen, there were some massive logic fails and some plot that I have no idea why it was there. I mean pretty Arrow all and all. And yet, nothing made me rage. I think I only rolled my eyes once (Rene is not like Oliver) and the Laurel stuff made me laugh (they really hated E1 Laurel, like a lot). 

I liked the focus on Diggle. I like that when they couldn’t get EBR back for longer, they didn’t give us Oliver and irrelevant people flashbacks. I don’t care about 80% of the characters but I didn’t find their wrap ups offensive. 

The only time I got choked up was when Olicity was reunited. It was perfect. My OTP is immortal. 

Really I feel it could have been so much worse and I’m so relieved it wasn’t (for me).

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