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S08.E09: Green Arrow & The Canaries

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Someone noticed that the arrowhead on the title card for 809 had a circuit board motif. Great tribute to Mia’s parents. 

 

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I brought up The Vampire Diaries because this isn't just a love triangle - it's a love triangle involving two brothers. Which makes it a bit different than most of the other love triangles/quads in the Arrowverse. I mean, whatever else can be said about Iris and Eddie, Eddie wasn't Barry's brother. Sophie's husband isn't Kate's brother. And so on.

 

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I wasn’t going to watch this because I have NO DESIRE to watch this show if it gets picked up. But then I did, so when I bitched about it, I could do so because I did watch it, and not based on reading everyone else’s comments.

This was just horrid. And I lay all the blame at Laurel’s feet. Everything she did, to her contempt for Mia’s happy life, just REEKED if jealousy. And she couldn’t have that, so “woke” Mia up. 
I saw what you did, Show—trying to make it as if Fake!Laurel! The murdering lying narcissistic Black Canary of Earth 2 as if she was never a murdering piece of shit.

So since Bianca is adopted, and Helena is her mom, how does she have Helena’s last name? Unless her parents are Helena’s relatives from her Mob Daddy’s side?

 

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18 minutes ago, quarks said:

I brought up The Vampire Diaries because this isn't just a love triangle - it's a love triangle involving two brothers. Which makes it a bit different than most of the other love triangles/quads in the Arrowverse. I mean, whatever else can be said about Iris and Eddie, Eddie wasn't Barry's brother. Sophie's husband isn't Kate's brother. And so on.

 

JJ and Connor aren't biological siblings, though.

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6 hours ago, Trini said:

I don't know about Vampire Diaries, but they could also just want to parallel Mia to her father, since he was with both Laurel and Sara. ... Which was gross, so why they'd want to do that again is the question.

It was gross but at least when Oliver was with both Sara and Laurel, it was before the show started so we only heard about it, not saw.

By the time Oliver got involved with Sara again in season 2, Felicity was the love interest, not Laurel. .

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

So since Bianca is adopted, and Helena is her mom, how does she have Helena’s last name? Unless her parents are Helena’s relatives from her Mob Daddy’s side?

Helena never married?  I admit that I was confused as to who those Bertinelli's were.

All this talk of whether Mia will have a double life as a social dilettante/hero with a secret identity with a signature weapon and a secret team is reminding me of the original dilettante/secret hero with a signature weapon, calling card and a secret team: 1905s Sir Percy Blakeney, the Scarlet Pimpernel.

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On 1/22/2020 at 5:04 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

To her when those memories were given back she did lead that life ... it’s those memories that connect her to it. 

My mistake was trying to apply  logic to all of this. lol Based on this backdoor pilot this series has promise and could be interesting with the right people behind it. I like E2 Laurel but her flip flopping between caring and not caring was already stale on Arrow. Pick a side and stick to it. The BB is going to be a woman so that should be fun to watch. Arrow nor Flash ever had one. Outside of Lex, Supergirl’s villains are weak no matter the gender. We’ll see if it gets picked up. 

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7 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

 

So since Bianca is adopted, and Helena is her mom, how does she have Helena’s last name? Unless her parents are Helena’s relatives from her Mob Daddy’s side?

 

Sounds like Helena adopted as a single parent. After her death? her daughter went to live with her adopted mom’s aunt and uncle. I think it was in her Will. 

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11 hours ago, quarks said:

I brought up The Vampire Diaries because this isn't just a love triangle - it's a love triangle involving two brothers. Which makes it a bit different than most of the other love triangles/quads in the Arrowverse. I mean, whatever else can be said about Iris and Eddie, Eddie wasn't Barry's brother. Sophie's husband isn't Kate's brother. And so on.

 

Do we even know if Connor and JJ are brothers in the new reality? I never heard that confirmed and it would still be gross if they are since mia remembers JJ WAS WILLING TO KILL HER. Shouldnt be any conflicting there. I dont find someone trying to kill me or family sexy and desirable like Elena found Damon to be and Mia shouldnt either.  

11 hours ago, lemotomato said:

JJ and Connor aren't biological siblings, though.

But if they were raised as brothers though to me that's still fucking gross. Love Triangles fucking suck anyway 

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I’m not a fan of sibling-swapping, but it’s not exactly the same here. Mia has memories of two lives now, and she had something with Connor in one and in another got engaged to JJ (a JJ who wasn’t a murderer, though he could become one again, depending on how they decide to handle him if there’s a spinoff, which is unclear since Arrow’s not the best at doppelgängers, which this situation is at least similar to, though not the same as). It’s messy, yes. Do I trust these writers to not make it ultimately be sibling-swapping and even reveal that Mia and Connor maybe had something at some point before she was with JJ? No. 

Really, it probably all depends on what they do with JJ now that he has both sets of memories. And like I said, I wouldn’t be surprised if they decide to have him completely change back to murderous JJ — while continuing to stress how Laurel could and did change and is totally a hero now and have her continue to say that JJ can’t change. 

Of course, we may never get these answers. It may not be ordered to series. 

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14 hours ago, statsgirl said:

It was gross but at least when Oliver was with both Sara and Laurel, it was before the show started so we only heard about it, not saw.

But then they showed him sleep with Laurel again, and then with Sara again. It's the going back and forth between sisters that's gross also.

In any case, while they've set up the parallel triangle, I don't think they'll have Mia actually be with both of them. One's gotta go.

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17 minutes ago, Trini said:

In any case, while they've set up the parallel triangle, I don't think they'll have Mia actually be with both of them. One's gotta go.

I mean, what do you mean by "actually be with both of them"? She's already with one of them and they hinted a love triangle. So it's either she'd stay with JJ and they drop it completely or she drops JJ at some point and ends up with Connor, which would be being with both of them at least once, and likely how it will go?

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I was just thinking that what this show really really needed was yet another backdoor pilot. Glad they managed to fit that in!

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This was great. I can tell they put more money into the production of this one than any of the other episodes. The new Star City of the future looks like a great setting for new adventures with the next generation of team arrow.

Hope it gets picked up.

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