S39.E12: Just Go For It

[Ms Blue Jay]

It's a sad reality, but this is why victims can't feel safe to come forward.  An incident is reported, and some people demand to see "video".  Video?  Uh.  When you go to the police and say your house was broken into, you don't need a video.  You just report it.  Crimes won't always be on video.  And guess what?  When it was on video (KELLEE) people still questioned the reporting and said it wasn't sexual touching and Dan is great and benefit of the doubt and two sides to every story and blah blah blah.  Geez.  

To those questioning the timing, I agree, the whole thing is weird, but just because the incident happened at X time doesn't mean the producers were made aware immediately.

I agree with those who said that Dan should have been removed so much earlier and not had the chance to screw up everyone's chances at a million dollars first.  It's all so gross.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Ms Blue Jay

[Lantern7]

Well, next week is gonna be a shitshow . . . maybe even worse than last season. Does anyone walk away from this season unmarked? Maybe even Rob and Sandra might feel tainted due to their involvement (or what little Sandra has done).

Elaine . . . damn. Honestly, you figure if any older woman applies to play, their applications go into the trash. And she's got that belly, so you know Probst probably fought tooth and nail to keep her out. But the busted can of biscuits made it far into the game, and she got voted off because she was seen as too big of a threat. I reckon we can call this "the Old Yeller Vote." If the other players went with feelings, Noura would have been bounced. But nope, she only got votes from Elaine . . and Dan. You know, that seems symbolic of this season in general, where the Phlip Shepard-level loony is kept in the game for goat sacrificing purposes, and Feely Dan (I wish I came up with that) didn't want to do that.

Dan, you fucking goon. Apparently, he fell off the wagon, and now he's out of the game. Worse, CBS probably has a hard-on to make next week a "Very Special Survivor Reunion." Low lighting, somber music, Probst "rapping" about sexual harassment in a way that makes use yearn for Sexual Harassment Panda from South Park. Like I said: next week? It's gonna be grisly as fuck.

Idol from a coin flip? *sigh* Okay, on paper, IOTI seems like a good idea . . . but then you got stuff like flipping a coin and "you took the bait, you lose your vote," and it just unravels. And Rob is the one that does most of the talking. Why invite Sandra at all? She's been giving good snark from the balcony, but I feel she's been underutilized.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Lantern7

[Souris]

Kellee’s statement.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Souris

[cdnalor]

I found it odd that we saw Noura spinning around by herself on the beach and then the IC started off with a spinning challenge.  Someone with a suspicious nature might think that production added the spinning to maybe give Noura a bit of an advantage to keep her in the game longer.  It's no secret that loopy players like Noura make for a more "interesting" show.

I can't wait for the reunion show to see how this Dan situation gets handled.

[CletusMusashi]

I would agree somewhat that the spinning was less of a handicap for Noura than the others. 

I mean, she's used to being rather dizzy.

[LizBug]

27 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I've seen speculation that this incident actually happened after the F6 immunity and they decided to cut that, and everything before, so that they had more time for everything else in the finale.

This makes sense to me.  It wasn’t the next morning;  it was after the next (final 6) immunity challenge.  So next week can start with the final 5 immunity challenge.

[Paws]

If CBS has any sense, they can save themselves so much money by just quietly giving a million bucks to Tommy, Lauren, Dean and Noura and having them vote for Janet as sole survivor, because that’s the only way they can redeem themselves. I didn’t let my daughters watch survivor until a few seasons ago, and they’ve seen some crappy seasons (David v Goliath notwithstanding) and they’ve yet to see a female winner. 

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2 minutes ago, DallasGypsy said:

This makes sense to me.  It wasn’t the next morning;  it was after the next (final 6) immunity challenge.  So next week can start with the final 5 immunity challenge.

I wonder if any of the players had the immunity necklace on, or if Dan won immunity.

[Valerie]

I knew Elaine wasn't going to win but it still hurt.

Dan being removed makes up for it.

[Sarahsmile416]

This episode just confirmed for me that Janet (and Elaine) are worth 50-100 times more than the other contestants remaining.  
 

As for the contestant who saw it, my money is on Janet or Elaine. 
 

Definitely not Tommy or Dean.  

[TVFan1]

I was rooting for Elaine to stay. It's not like I didn't see it coming, though.

SO happy that the prev Dan is GONE! So long, creep! The a**hole should have been removed a very long time ago. 

[meatball77]

39 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

It's a sad reality, but this is why victims can't feel safe to come forward.  An incident is reported, and some people demand to see "video".  Video?  Uh.  When you go to the police and say your house was broken into, you don't need a video.  You just report it.  Crimes won't always be on video.  And guess what?  When it was on video (KELLEE) people still questioned the reporting and said it wasn't sexual touching and Dan is great and benefit of the doubt and two sides to every story and blah blah blah.  Geez.  

To those questioning the timing, I agree, the whole thing is weird, but just because the incident happened at X time doesn't mean the producers were made aware immediately.

I agree with those who said that Dan should have been removed so much earlier and not had the chance to screw up everyone's chances at a million dollars first.  It's all so gross.

Nah, this is a reality show so if something happened we want to see what happened.

I don't need to see it (or out the person that he was handsy with) but I would like to know what happened.  If this was the bachelor they'd act the entire thing out for us using others to show us what happened.  I realize that Survivor thinks they're more classy than that, but they could at least give us that.

[Wandering Snark]

9 minutes ago, meatball77 said:

If this was the bachelor

And I am thankful, weekly, that it's not...

[Lady Calypso]

18 minutes ago, meatball77 said:

Nah, this is a reality show so if something happened we want to see what happened.

I don't need to see it (or out the person that he was handsy with) but I would like to know what happened.  If this was the bachelor they'd act the entire thing out for us using others to show us what happened.  I realize that Survivor thinks they're more classy than that, but they could at least give us that.

It depends if the victim asked for privacy and confidentiality, though.

Of course, we don't know for sure if she did, or if producers chose to keep the details hush-hush, but I do want to have a little hope that they're not revealing a whole lot of details in favour of the victim. 

Of course, we kind of already got leaked the basics of what happened, anyway. Dan inappropriately touched a female member on production after an immunity challenge. Production took Dan aside and kicked him out. I think that's basically all we need to know. The only part that would give clarity is after which immunity challenge that this happened. If it was after F6 immunity, then the discussion and booting Dan happened within hours. If it was after F7 immunity, then there was some time in between for production to discuss and then kick Dan out, but that also depends on when the victim stepped forward. 

Either way, that information, or lackthereof, doesn't change the outcome; Dan was removed from the game and, thus, he won't be part of the jury and he likely won't be part of the finale at all. The fact that they tacked this on to this episode and not the finale goes to show that they probably won't be showing Dan at all next week, nor will they talk about him. 

However, even as I state the above, it also doesn't mean that they didn't colossally screw up by waiting this long for another incident to happen before finally removing him. They had so many instances and production chose not to act until now, which is entirely on them. Had Dan been removed earlier, we'd likely have a very different finale upon us.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Lady Calypso

[Steph Sometimes]

God, when they started talking about an all guy final 3, I cringed so hard. I'm not against male players at all, but those three?!

I know some people call winners edit for Tommy, but he sure is petulant and whiny.  

Saint Janet for the win! I guess I'd grudgingly accept Lauren because I like her better than Dean and Tommy. But I'm assuming the final 3 is Tommy, Dean and Noura. But I'm guessing Elaine'll be back. 

I was wondering what was going on with the timing of this episode. The commercial mid-tribal council really threw me off. Then I wondered if Elaine somehow got a never before mentioned Survivor version of the Tim Gunn save. Then we started again and I assumed it was a 2 hour night. And then that. I have lots of thoughts but many aren't coherent, but very happy (but sorry for the staffer).

The reunion is going to be bizarre I bet. But as long as we can hear Cochran's thoughts on the whole thing, I'll be fine.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Steph Sometimes

[treeofdreams]

Even after being kicked off the show, I bet Dan still thinks he didn't do anything wrong.

He's a Hollywood talent agent, right? I feel sorry for his young female clients.

[princelina]

1 hour ago, enoughcats said:

When infamous Russell Hantz's nephew played part of a season, he wasn't exactly booted off.  But (as I remember it) Jeff called the group together, put his arm (controllingly) around the nephew and announced he was leaving and Survivor was going to get him help. 

Not a boot off, but definitely a "You're leaving  NOW" moment.

This time it was with a steel toed boot, with younger Hantz, it was more a sideways soccer scoot over.

From what I recall - Brandon Hantz went nutso after figuring out they were going to vote him out and had a tantrum that included dumping their rice and wrecking stuff, and then I guess they called Jeff (don't remember everything! 🙂 ) and he stood there with his restraining (yet friendly!) arm around Brandon while they reviewed what had happened, and then Jeff made them all orally vote him out right there and escorted him away.

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

Aside from the wrongness of Dan being kept around this long and having another female violated (I'll think this until it's proven otherwise), a couple of hilarious moments from this episode. I loved Rob mocking Dean stretching and flexing his muscles. And can I just say, I would love for him to cook for me. Whatever he was making looked so good.

How about Rob saying he's been around on Survivor for 2 decades?  With that gray hair poking out from under his cap?  Mr. P and I immediately felt older ourselves, just hearing that 😄 

[RyjackAunt]

https://people.com/tv/why-survivor-contestant-dan-spilo-removed-from-game/

[colorbars]

Going by that statement from People, about it being while getting on a boat and it being witnessed by other contestants, my guess is someone (I'm assuming a woman) on the crew was helping him up onto the boat and he decided to cop a feel under the guise of a joke or accident of some kind. What a creep.

Loved that Kellee's statement expressed disappointment in how things were handled and she didn't praise CBS or the producers for how poorly they handled it. She pretty much said what she could while still remaining in their good graces for a possible comeback.

[Ms Blue Jay]

25 minutes ago, Steph Sometimes said:

Then I wondered if Elaine somehow got a never before mentioned Survivor version of the Tim Gunn save. 

LOL.  That's so funny.

[30 Helens]

3 hours ago, Tryp said:

One consequence of the Dan boot is that Dean's fake legacy idol should not be eligible for use -- only 5 remain.  A potential dramatic twist was lost.

Too bad.  I was really hoping that he would go through with the scenario he mentioned to Rob: Drawing all the votes on himself with the intent of impressing everyone by presenting the legacy and saving himself. The result of that would have been hiLARious.

1 hour ago, Tdoc72 said:

I was sad about Elaine leaving but I  literally (tm Rob Lowe) gasped out loud at the card saying Dan was removed. They should’ve brought Elaine back. 

I wish they had. I was rooting for her this week. I also think Janet and Lauren were  still on the fence until Elaine made all the jury members cry, but at that point there was no way they were going to keep her around. She was no longer merely likable, she was the sympathetic heartstring puller. Damn you, Jeff. You started that.

1 hour ago, tvgoddess said:

I loved Rob mocking Dean stretching and flexing his muscles. And can I just say, I would love for him to cook for me. Whatever he was making looked so good.

Thank God for Rob and Sandra. This season would have been lost without them.  But as for the cooking, twenty bucks says that was staged for the camera.  Fiji Doordash dropped that food off 10 minutes before.

[geej]

Could the timing make it possible that a Family Member visiting could have been dan's  complaintant?

[Kaiju Ballet]

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At one point, Spilo allegedly touched the female crew member’s leg. According to multiple sources, he insisted that the contact was inadvertent and accidental as he lost his balance while trying to get into the boat.

...he then proceeded to demonstrate how inadvertent and accidental the contact was by using both his palms on every other female present.

Fixed it for you, People magazine.

[GaT]

Holy shit, I was completely surprised by the Dan thing. Now I wonder about all the apologies we got from Missy, Elizabeth, & Aaron after Kellee was voted off, they had to know about Dan at that point, & not just from seeing the episodes. They must have been working on those apologies as soon as they got home.

[bamlou]

It's so frustrating and sad that this whole saga has stained what started as such a promising season, and that it took this long and another incident for production to finally do something about Dan. Jeff is being so cagey in interviews about how they plan to address these types of incidents and better protect players moving forward, and I think they need to be more direct and clear about what changes they're making, or how they're improving their HR process or something, to reassure me as a viewer that they won't let it go this far again and that they've heard the backlash and understand why so many fans are upset about how the situation has been handled.

And in hindsight, it's now making me raise an eyebrow at the remaining players / jury members who have since said that they had no clue / been seemingly surprised by the backlash, when they at least knew Dan was ejected. For those who had heard about Dan making some of the girls uncomfortable - at the tribal where it was openly discussed, and particularly Missy and Elizabeth who leveraged it in their gameplay - wouldn't seeing Dan being removed from the game make them now start to re-assess those original accusations against him? Wouldn't you reflect at some point over the 7 months after the show and maybe have some concerns about some of your gameplay or what you said in light of Dan's forced exit, and maybe approach the episodes with some hesitation as they aired rather than feigning after-the-fact that you had a limited scope of the facts?

Maybe I'm judging the players too harshly since it's difficult to truly know what and how all the info was communicated by production (and between players) and it's easier for me to judge from my couch vs. the unique experience playing this game. But I also find it harder now to excuse a lot of the poor behaviour and choices players made during/after filming as simply, 'I wasn't aware'.

[bamlou]

10 minutes ago, GaT said:

Holy shit, I was completely surprised by the Dan thing. Now I wonder about all the apologies we got from Missy, Elizabeth, & Aaron after Kellee was voted off, they had to know about Dan at that point, & not just from seeing the episodes. They must have been working on those apologies as soon as they got home.

We're on the same wavelength, I posted a similar thought just after you! It really makes me question that apology tour, but also how they could have gone into that week's episodes with so much fanfare on social media to promote it as if it was a total surprise to them that those episodes would be at all controversial or negatively perceived.

Edited December 12, 2019 by bamlouie

[lyric]

FFS. Setting aside they had TAPED EVIDENCE of Dan's groping, Kellee's direct request to him to cut that shit out, and his subsequent unwanted touching - how about we just try believing women the first time? This isn't hard. Damn.

Oh, and all of this grossness overshadowed Elaine's TC - one of the most authentic and endearing moments this show has ever had.

Edited December 12, 2019 by lyric

[piewarmer]

Sad to see Elaine go. We have several things in common and I was rooting for her and her redneck pocket.

[txvoodoo]

I'm still figuring out how Probst thinks he's gonna get through next week without mentioning The Dan Situation.  It's gonna be sitting there like the biggest elephant in the room, ever.

He should've been gone a long time ago. Elaine deserves a second chance, as does Kellee, if they want it. Kellee might not and I wouldn't blame her.

It's just an awful situation. 

[LanceM]

24 minutes ago, bamlouie said:

We're on the same wavelength, I posted a similar thought just after you! It really makes me question that apology tour, but also how they could have gone into that week's episodes with so much fanfare on social media to promote it as if it was a total surprise to them that those episodes would be at all controversial or negatively perceived.

They barely promoted it at all on social media. Elizabeth tweeted a post about how the tribe name was beautiful (because it was a reference to Jack's dad who passed away). That is it. What is their to question about their apologies?  They couldn't say anything publicly until the episode aired but they had already apologized to Kelly privately months prior.

[eskimo]

12 minutes ago, lyric said:

how about we just try believing women the first time? This isn't hard. Damn.

That would be thanks to the likes of people like Missy and Elizabeth, who purposely over exaggerate claims for their own gain.  It causes a real problem for women and men who desperately need to be believed.  

[EllenB]

3 hours ago, Lantern7 said:

Elaine . . . damn. Honestly, you figure if any older woman applies to play, their applications go into the trash. And she's got that belly, so you know Probst probably fought tooth and nail to keep her out. But the busted can of biscuits made it far into the game, and she got voted off because she was seen as too big of a threat. I reckon we can call this "the Old Yeller Vote." If the other players went with feelings, Noura would have been bounced. But nope, she only got votes from Elaine . . and Dan. 

How is fat-shaming any better than what that scum Dad did?  It's another type of objectification.

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Edited December 12, 2019 by EllenB

[LanceM]

16 minutes ago, eskimo said:

That would be thanks to the likes of people like Missy and Elizabeth, who purposely over exaggerate claims for their own gain.  It causes a real problem for women and men who desperately need to be believed.  

Sorry but players lie when they are on Survivor (both men and women) and when Kellee was having her heart to heart talk with Missy on the beach she was planning on blindsiding her that night. Missy had every reason to feel that Kellee was playing her at that moment.

Players have valid reasons not to believe what Kellee or anyone else in the game says, Lying and deception is part of the game. The producers don't have that excuse. That is where the problem lies.

Edited December 12, 2019 by LanceM

[eskimo]

7 minutes ago, LanceM said:

Sorry but players lie when they are on Survivor (both men and women) and when Kellee was having her heart to heart talk with Missy on the beach she was planning on blindsiding her that night. Missy had every reason to feel that Kellee was playing her at that moment.

Players have valid reasons not to believe Kellee or anyone else in the game, The producers don't. That is where the problem lies.

Production definitely was the ultimate authority in this instance,  and they failed miserably.   But that doesn't mean that women or men who exaggerate,  or outright lie in some cases, aren't causing problems for actual victims.   I'm talking a bigger picture, not just what happend on the island.  It IS a contributing factor in why victims aren't believed, and that's the quote I was responding to.  

[Kelda Feegle]

Well Dan cannot possibly be sent to Ponderosa but I would love to see Jeff pop in to tell the jury members about Dan's removal.

[Richness]

Ding dong, the bastard is gone!  I was wondering about the odd placement of the advertisements surrounding tribal council. And when the show kept going after the nighttime torch walk, I was fearing that something really bad happened, like someone got seriously hurt. Well, something bad did happen, to a production member, but it's something good for the viewers as it means Dan's gone. Woo hoo! Too bad it's 11 episodes too late.

With the obvious out of the way, here are my thoughts on a few other aspects of the episode.

First, I fast forward through most of the Island of Idols build-up nonsense, most of the time at the island, and the follow-up nonsense once the contestant returns to the tribe. For several episodes now, I only watch the bare minimum to understand what's going on and what the outcome is.

Second, as much as I've come to like Elaine, I fast forwarded through most of the tears at Tribal Council. Just like I don't want to hear the sob stories during family visits, I don't want to sit through tears at TC either no matter how touching the story might be.

Third, as much as I'm sick of Boston Rob (and Sandra to a lesser extent), I did chuckle at Rob making fun of the stretch and flex guy.

Fourth, while the editors usually give away stuff far in advance, they gave me some amusement during the Immunity Challenge. While one of the contestants was trying to spell "YOUR" (displayed on the screen as "YO R"), Jeff voice overs something about "You need to win," which I took to mean the missing "U" in "YOUR" and not "You". 

Fifth, did Disney pay for the "SITH" shout out in the IC word blocks so close to the release of "Rise of Skywalker"? However, given it was Dan's blocks, they probably don't want to be associated with the guy. All the Sith Lords out there should protest their unfortunate association with someone like Dan.

Sixth, the entire Immunity Challenge was actually fairly amusing. I know lots of people love the "caller leading their blindfolded team through an obstacle course" challenge due to the hilarious pratfalls that occur. but the opening spin portion of this challenge seemed like a much nicer and less painful way to ensure hilarity ensues. I hope that have many more dizzy spin challenges in the future. If we're (un)lucky, they'll come right after a contestant has eaten, and someone will blow chunks.

[simplyme]

2 hours ago, RyjackAunt said:

https://people.com/tv/why-survivor-contestant-dan-spilo-removed-from-game/

Or, since some people apparently can't be bothered to read unless you post it here in small enough font for them to read the whole thing, I'm gonna do that. From the above link:

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Why Survivor Contestant Dan Spilo Was 'Removed' from the Game and What the 'Off-Camera' Incident Was

The alleged incident happened when Spilo was getting on a transport boat after an immunity challenge

By Steve Helling

December 12, 2019 12:24 AM

At the end of Wednesday night’s episode of Survivor: Island of the Idols, it was revealed that contestant Dan Spilo was removed from the game as a result of an undisclosed “incident.”

The explanation that appeared on screen was nebulous: “Dan was removed from the game after a report of another incident, which happened off-camera and did not involve a player.”

PEOPLE has spoken to multiple people involved with the show’s production, who confirmed that the incident in question — which involved a member of the show’s production team — happened after an immunity challenge as Spilo and other contestants were getting into a boat to transport them back to the camp.

At one point, Spilo allegedly touched the female crew member’s leg. According to multiple sources, he insisted that the contact was inadvertent and accidental as he lost his balance while trying to get into the boat. At least one of the remaining contestants witnessed the incident.

But the show’s production team wasn’t convinced that the contact was merely incidental. After consulting with the show’s legal team, producers eventually decided to remove him from the show.

Kim was voted out of the game — and Spilo apologized, saying, “I work in an industry in which the #MeToo movement was formed and allowed — thank God — to blossom and become powerful and strong,” he said. “My personal feeling is if anyone ever felt for a second uncomfortable about anything I’ve ever done, I’m horrified about that and I’m terribly sorry.”

In an interview with Entertainment Weekly published after Wednesday’s episode, Probst was asked to elaborate on the nature of the incident. He declined to give more details.

“The question is a fair and reasonable one,” Probst responded. “I’ve endeavored to be as forthcoming as possible with you regarding everything that has happened this season. In this situation, out of respect for privacy and confidentiality, I can’t say anymore.”

Neither CBS nor Spilo are providing additional comment at this time.

One other thing I saw as a comment elsewhere that made me think... Cast members sign all sorts of waivers about how if something bad happens to them, they won't sue. The crew doesn't sign those. So a crew member complaining may be a LOT scarier to TPTB than a cast member.

[simplyme]

4 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

I’m going to assume he’s not at Ponderosa with everyone. At least I hope not. 

Probst said something about Dan getting on the boat to leave.

That was a bummer for me. I was hoping they'd taken him behind a production hut somewhere and uhhh… actually, I don't think I can post the rest of that thought without violating the TOS. But apparently I have too many old farmers in my family.

[GaT]

12 minutes ago, simplyme said:

At one point, Spilo allegedly touched the female crew member’s leg. According to multiple sources, he insisted that the contact was inadvertent and accidental as he lost his balance while trying to get into the boat. At least one of the remaining contestants witnessed the incident.

It has to be more than just touching her leg, unless he grabbed her inner thigh high up, or they're using "leg" as a euphemism for some other body part.

[violet and green]

Well, that blew chunks.

I was so mad when Dean got the trip to see Rob (who I now love, wtf!) and Sandra, and won something useful, and then won Elaine's immunity....

So mad every time Tommy whined.

So mad when they started ramping up the soulful violins to underline Elaine was definitely going...

So mad when she went, but goddamn, she sounded so cute and lovable, she was like Judy Garland in the Wizard of Oz - she's got to come back. Soon.

So mad when I thought I'd only taped one half of a surprise double episode or something, when Jeff showed up - and then that shock announcement, blerk - and then there was no Elaine bounding up the beach like a happy puppy, "I'm back!!

I am off Janet. I could almost handle Lauren winning at this point. Frankly, Noura would not be so bad, after all of this. Anyone but Dean or Tommy Van Gogh.

[Bryce Lynch]

8 hours ago, nlkm9 said:

I hope the girls who messed with Janet over the Dan thing feel like crap. I would love love love to see janet win. After last week i can’t stand noura, and now Elaine is gone . Sigh .

Until last week with her ratting our Elaine for no reason i would have said that. Janet for the win. I take it this is the first time a player has been booted off ?

I can't stand Noura, but she ratted out Elaine to save herself, after Dean ratted her out.

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, simplyme said:

Or, since some people apparently can't be bothered to read unless you post it here in small enough font for them to read the whole thing, I'm gonna do that. From the above link:

One other thing I saw as a comment elsewhere that made me think... Cast members sign all sorts of waivers about how if something bad happens to them, they won't sue. The crew doesn't sign those. So a crew member complaining may be a LOT scarier to TPTB than a cast member.

I assume crew members also sign all sorts of waivers, including NDAs.  But, they are also employees, doing real job, not contestants who signed up to play a sometimes crazy and brutal game, so they probably retain more legal rights.  

Also, Survivor probably doesn't want the names of their crew members to be public knowledge as it could lead to them getting hounded for spoilers.

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, txvoodoo said:

I'm still figuring out how Probst thinks he's gonna get through next week without mentioning The Dan Situation.  It's gonna be sitting there like the biggest elephant in the room, ever.

He should've been gone a long time ago. Elaine deserves a second chance, as does Kellee, if they want it. Kellee might not and I wouldn't blame her.

It's just an awful situation. 

I think they plan on addressing it.   The reunion show won’t be filmed live for the first time ever related to issues of security and sensitivity.... or something like that according to Probst in EW.  

[Lantern7]

3 hours ago, EllenB said:

How is fat-shaming any better than what that scum Dad did?  It's another type of objectification.

I swear, that wasn’t my intent. I was just thinking that Elaine seemed to be the opposite of the type Survivor would cast. And she called herself that during her trip to IOTI.

[JudyObscure]

1 hour ago, violet and green said:

I am off Janet.

Me too, so with Elaine gone, I really have no one to root for.  

Janet has been just too close to Dan for too long, If we could see he was a jerk from a few minutes of weekly footage, she should have been able to see it while living beside him 24 hours a day for 36 days.  Not just the handsy stuff but calling other people weirdos and  losers and making faces behind their backs. 

I also haven't liked the way Janet has repeatedly defended Dan online and on twitter by telling people like us to, "Stop the hate."  I'll hate anyone I want, thank you, Janet.

 Didn't Karishma look beautiful at tribal?  If she was back I'd vote for her.

[Haleth]

7 hours ago, DallasGypsy said:

If the incident happened after the immunity challenge, why wasn’t he removed then?  Why did they go to tribal council and wait until the next day to remove him?

Maybe TPTB were hoping he'd be voted out anyway?  But then sending him to Ponderosa would be another problem.

I wonder when the people at Ponderosa found out about this.  Were they told when it occurred or did they have to wait til the next TC to see him gone?

1 minute ago, JudyObscure said:

Me too, so with Elaine gone, I really have no one to root for.  

Agreed.  Elaine was the last person I felt I could root for.  I appreciate that Janet was so compassionate with Elaine, but her buddying up to Dan even after the earlier blow up soured her for me.

[Bryce Lynch]

3 hours ago, GaT said:

It has to be more than just touching her leg, unless he grabbed her inner thigh high up, or they're using "leg" as a euphemism for some other body part.

Not necessarily.  With Dan's prior record of unwanted touching and the warning he was given, touching any part of a female crew member's leg could be grounds for ejection.

His, "I stumbled and accidentally touched her" story sounds a lot like the BS excuses he made at the explosive tribal council about snuggling to keep from freezing or accidentally brushing into a woman while trying to get through a crowd.

I wonder how often he has made those excuses in the real world?

I could definitely see him as the type who "accidentally" gropes women at clubs, or on mass transit or elevators.

[amazingracefan]

I'd be ok with Elaine coming back in a returnee season, she expresses herself quite well.  Though I'm not sure painting herself as a big threat at tribal helped her.  Even the sob story stuff could have got jury sympathy.  Maybe she didn't have to play it as hard at that tribal as she thought, or maybe it was all decided anyway...

Apart from the setup of Island of the Idols some of the tests are weird in themselves.  Depending on a 50/50 coin toss is supposed to be a good move from what we were told, yet taking big risks before wasn't considered good.  Maybe if he lost the coin toss the lesson would have been - be more cautious. 

[Bryce Lynch]

11 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

Me too, so with Elaine gone, I really have no one to root for.  

Janet has been just too close to Dan for too long, If we could see he was a jerk from a few minutes of weekly footage, she should have been able to see it while living beside him 24 hours a day for 36 days.  Not just the handsy stuff but calling other people weirdos and  losers and making faces behind their backs. 

I also haven't liked the way Janet has repeatedly defended Dan online and on twitter by telling people like us to, "Stop the hate."  I'll hate anyone I want, thank you, Janet.

 Didn't Karishma look beautiful at tribal?  If she was back I'd vote for her.

I hate Janet working with Dan, but I give her the benefit of the doubt.  After her gaslighting, she might not know what the hell to believe.  

Also, even Kellee, the only one on record with a complaint was willing to work with Dan and target Missy.  Janet took one bullet for Kellee, Missy and Elizabeth.  I am not sure it is fair to expect her to keep taking bullets.  She stood up much stronger against Dan's groping than the women who were actually groped.

Karishma did clean up nice for jury duty.

[himela]

10 hours ago, Al Herkimer said:

I'm starting to believe Dan might have a problem.

All men who don't take no as a no do.

[amazingracefan]

10 hours ago, Haleth said:

This whole season has been a disaster.  Is this a jump the shark moment?

The producers thought they had TV gold, but people are actually more interested in the game than they are outside the game issues.